Carl Webb; the IVAW deserter who didn’t desert
As most of my regular readers know, there’s turmoil churning around the ranks in the Iraq Veterans Against the War. Although it’s a result of many things, the most contentious point of the turmoil is between the regular patriotic members who merely oppose the war and the members who want the IVAW to become a tool of the International Socialist Organization – just a facade of veterans to lend some legitimacy to the entire socialist movement. The most vile and despicable member of IVAW, Carl Webb, belongs to that second group.
Earlier this month, TSO wrote about Webb when Casey Porter resigned from IVAW and brought our attention to Webb. Since then, Kris Goldsmith resigned and this stirred Webb up again. He bragged on his own Facebook page that he forced another resignation of a “conservative” from IVAW;
Webb continued calling him a conservative in the comments, and some of the brain-dead hippies chimed in;
Doug Zachary is the president of the local Geezers for Sitting On Our Hands in Austin. Just so he knows, Zachary had better get his story straight, too, because he’s next on our list.
Even Matthis Chiroux chimed in with his usual narcissistic victim theater;
Yeah, Goldsmith called Chiroux a rapist, but Chiroux was forced to admit later that he was indeed a rapist – but that it was the Army’s fault. And Goldsmith isn’t the lucky one in your “slamming” fantasy, stickboy.
Another goober (probably the biggest dork in IVAW) whom TSO wrote about last year, Reagan Sullivan, chimed in;
The especially profane Hart Viges is the chaplain of the IVAW’s Austin Chapter.
Now, in order to call Kris Goldsmith a conservative, Webb has to be to the Left of Stalin. And apparently he is;
Notice how he calls himself a Marxist/Leninist/Trotskyist? That means he’s wrapped around what he thinks are impressive labels with lots of syllables. He really doesn’t know what he’s talking about, but someone told him that stuff once and he liked the way it sounded. Webb is a poser and a leech.
He claims he’s an Licensed Practical Nurse, but he’s never finished school. Witness his MySpace page;
Two colleges, no graduation and making less than $30k. Nice. Also on his MySpace page he says he’s thinking about being a teacher – 43 years old and “thinking” about being a teacher. Real mature guy we’re dealing with here. He can’t finish a one-year certification program for LPN, but he’s “thinking” about four years of college to be a teacher.
He claims that the reason he’s an LPN but has no money or LPN jobs is because he doesn’t like working for big corporations – communism as an excuse for laziness.
All of that LPN training is being put to good use – he’s now a food server at the UT campus…for a corporation;
I guess working for a food service corporation is more spiritually satisfying than working for a health care corporation.
He also uses the social media networks to bum stuff from people. Here, he needs a bicycle so instead of getting a job and buying one, he wants you to be cool and give him one;
A 43-year-old with no job looking for a free, working bicycle. Can it get any more pathetic? Yes, it can. How about loaning Webb some space on your couch;
I found other instances of his begging for things like your computers and cameras, but I figured these two examples are enough to give you an idea what he’s like.
So now we know what a Marxist/Leninist/Trotskyist is – a mooch. The really pathetic part? That avatar is a picture of Carl in leathers standing by a motorcycle like it’s his – but it can’t be his, he needs a free bicycle and nap on your couch. I’ll bet the girls can’t keep their hands off of him.
So what does Webb do in his spare time? He claims he’s a Spartacist – that doesn’t mean that he supports any Grecian community’s struggle for freedom against Persians hordes;
He also writes manifestos for treason, like this one where he chastises the IVAW board for not advocating the right of the Iraqi and Afghan people to fight against US troops.
Notice that last line about “oppressed people have the right to resist occupation by any means necessary TOO [sic] INCLUDE FIGHTING US TROOPS”. That’s the problem he had with Casey Porter – Porter refused to sabotage his unit’s equipment and place his fellow soldiers in danger and Webb pestered him for it until Porter finally resigned from IVAW.
Webb has also threatened to quit IVAW because they’re not radical enough;
See that? IVAW, actual veterans of the war, won’t urge the enemy to kill our troops still engaged in that theater, so IVAW has ethical issues they need to resolve before they come up to Webb’s high standards.
So his military career? According to his autobiography, he joined the Army after he dropped out of high school in 1982 and left the Reserves in 1993. Then in August 2001, he enlisted in the reserves again because he couldn’t find a job. Then 9/11 happened, and all of a sudden he didn’t want to be in anymore.
Webb makes it sound like he was a victim of circumstances – he says he joined just a month before we were attacked and the Army wanted to send him to the war. Then he claims he deserted so he wouldn’t have to participate in the illegal war which he suddenly opposed. He claims he was in hiding from the Army for years – all the while giving interviews to the media about how brave he is. Finally, he claims, the Army sent him a discharge – so he must’ve done a real bang-up job of running and hiding if they mailed him a discharge.
But, see, that’s Webb’s story. The Army’s records tell a different story;
Webb left the Reserves in 1992 and never reenlisted like he claimed. He was never recalled, he was never in hiding from the Army. He was never eligible to even join IVAW despite their loose membership requirements. That’s his total military service in the FOIA document. Webb says he has different records that proves his story – no one has seen these documents and if he does have any, they’re all forgeries.
This is another example of IVAW buying the message without looking closely at the messenger. With his 44 days in the Army, Jesse MacBeth is more qualified to belong to IVAW than Carl Webb. How sad is that?
That’s two IVAW fakers we’ve discovered this month – first Duncan and now Webb. We gave Webb all weekend to come clean about this and he’s decided that he’s going to assume the untenable position that the records are wrong.
The records aren’t wrong, though. He’ll claim that his service after 2001 was in the Guard and that’s why it doesn’t show up in his ARMY records. Notice in Carl’s Form 2-1 he spent two years in the Reserves and then enlisted in the Georgia National Guard in 1992 and it’s all noted on his records and included in his total service;
So why would the Army stop keeping track of his service suddenly? The records aren’t wrong, Webb is lying to the IVAW.
Already I’ve been accused of conducting a “witch hunt” – I’m not. The more vile the message, the more likely the messenger is corrupt. I knew Webb was lying because it fit his personality – I just had to find out what he was lying about. You know, spread around the internet, the information available on Carl doesn’t mean much, but when it all comes together in a single entry, you get a good picture of a hustler and ne’er-do-well who depends on the goodwill and naive good intentions of youngsters in the peace movement. He’s a low-life scumbag, a thief and a liar.
On Saturday, I sent a copy of Webb’s FOIA search from St Louis to Alex Bacon, IVAW’s ED, Amadee Braxton, IVAW’s Development Director (read that; liaison to hippie organizations) and Membership Coordinator, Toby Hartbarger – so let’s see if they still think the message Webb has is more important than his fakery. I told them that I would include any comments they have in this post. Those comments are included below;
*chirp*
UPDATE: Alex Bacon did send a response, eventually;
Dear John,
We do have proof of service on file for Carl including a copy of his DD Form 4/1 (Enlistment/Reenlistment Document) showing him enlisting in the Army National Guard in 2001 as well as mobilization orders from 2004.
Sincerely,
Alex Bacon
Executive Director
Iraq Veterans Against the War
www.ivaw.org
I wrote back that since these are the official records, directly from the Army, he must be holding forgeries. Funny how I anticipated this type of response. We’ve seen forged records from IVAW which is why we depend on the Army’s records for the official story. Just like a civilian employer only accepts transcripts mailed directly from a university as proof of a person’s education.
But we’ve also learned that IVAW values some members more than others, especially if they have the message IVAW wants to hear and project.
June 1st, 2009 at 6:06 am
I think you may be giving Carl and the LA education system too much credit. I’m doubtful that they require a full four years of higher education to qualify for a teaching certificate, which is great for Carl, I suppose. Can you imagine all the trouble he’d have trying to fabricate credentials for that?
June 1st, 2009 at 6:50 am
Bwahaha. Oh what a tangled web they weave, when they practice to deceive. Don’t fuck with Jonn, Carl. You’re a weasel. Now we all know how big of one. Chirp.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:06 am
Heh!
Great work, Jonn!
You guys are the kiss of death to the IVAW.
I’ll wager the rest of the frauds wake up every morning in a puddle wondering if they have been featured on This Ain’t Hell overnight.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:16 am
Nothing like drinking coffee and finally having proof Carl Webb is a liar it’s going to be a good day.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:13 am
The dog bit me. The wife kicked me out. I just got fired. Christ, my life reads like a country song right now. But I read this and my day just got a whole lot better.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:13 am
Polyamorous? So he’s a lying, socialist, swinger looking for someone’s couch to crash on? Forgive me if I don’t volunteer my pull-out.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:51 am
Bohica22: Somebody once told me in college was that the best thing about protests was that the girls tended to be, well, easy.
So he tells his ‘story’, tells them how brave he is for deserting and resisting, they swoon, he gets laid. Noticing how many times he lists it or related words, I’ll bet $5 most of his ‘activism’ revolves around that.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:00 pm
*chirp* is right…the silence is deafening.
Carl or Alex Bacon should provide copies of those…[DD Form 4/1 (Enlistment/Reenlistment Document) showing him enlisting in the Army National Guard in 2001 as well as mobilization orders from 2004].
Betting they won’t do it.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Remember this? http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=7237 Ya’ll ran a similar FOI on me last fall and went so far as to say I was faking the whole IRR resistance thing. Anyway, you were %100 wrong, as you came to learn, as you might come to learn about Carl. I don’t know. But I do know I trust my executive director a lot more than Lilyea, whose information has proven most unreliable in the past over very similar issues, as is apparent in the above link. Either way, hate on, haters.
And I’ve never admitted to rape. You should stop saying this (though I’m sure you won’t) because it IS libel. Goldsmith’s “revelations” came 24 hours AFTER I gave my Winter Soldier testimony in St. Louis about prostitution in the military and how I got in to begin with, which is what I was reporting on in “Confessions.” Again, your information is just flat out wrong and must be taken with many grains of salt by reasonable people.
I don’t read this web-rag or chime in that much, because I don’t take it seriously, but this post is actually making the rounds. Congratulations. I hope we get to expose you as peddlers of sloppy and incomplete research once again.
Resist U.S. Genocide worldwide!
Jonn wrote: Yeah, we’re unreliable, and you’re an Afghanistan veteran, right? Notice in that post you linked (on the blog you don’t read) that I speculated about your status, I didn’t draw any conclusions. I only presented the facts – a concept with which you are grossly unfamiliar.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:07 pm
BWAHAHAHAHA you jackass.
I urge you to sue us for “Libel” since we will be able to use the truth as defense and figure it out for sure. Either way, Goldsmith says you admitted it, ergo an admission against interest etc.
Let me know how that GI Bill application I going, I have all the paperwork ready to go my friend. Still think a good DD214 outweighs a subsequent invalidating one? Or did you contact the General COunsel at the VA like I did?
June 1st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Bohica22- My question is how can he be polyamorous and not have a love life
June 1st, 2009 at 12:27 pm
“Resist U.S. Genocide worldwide!”
By holding signs, posting on the Internet, and banging young girls that don’t know better!
*clenched fist salute*
June 1st, 2009 at 12:40 pm
I thought he was doing that by eating at Burger King.
June 1st, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Bohica: I’ve got a couch for him to crash on. I’ll put it on rollers at the top of a hill. I’ll even give a push. Oh wait, he probably means the “I’m a pathetic sponger type of crash” Never mind.
June 1st, 2009 at 1:00 pm
God, I love the smell of Burned Posers in the Morning
Smells Like………Victory
June 1st, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Sean….
Smells more like shit-burning detail!!
June 1st, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Mattis–prison is full of rapists who never admitted they raped anyone, either.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:03 pm
I can see why Matthis gets so emotional over this story. Looking at Carl must be like looking at his future self. Maybe, if he’s lucky, when Matthis is 43, he too can be sleeping on other peoples couches, making less than $30,000, thinking about maybe becomming a teacher and searhing for polyamorous partners. Every get the feeling that Carl is the IVAW version of Ben Affleck’s character in Dazed and Confused?
June 1st, 2009 at 3:03 pm
“…the regular patriotic members who merely oppose the war”
Who in their right patriotic mind would oppose fighting a war on the turf of Islamofascists who want us dead?
That’s ‘patriotic’? I had no idea.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:13 pm
“Resist U.S. Genocide worldwide!”
I’m surptised he didn’t throw in a couple of “troof ta powa” chants before he went back to mommy’s basement.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:13 pm
“Resist U.S. Genocide worldwide!”
I’m surprised he didn’t throw in a couple of “troof ta powa” chants before he went back to mommy’s basement.
June 1st, 2009 at 3:55 pm
What a strange little man he must be. I missed most of the 60′s while in the Navy, so I don’t get the whole protest movement anyway, but I would think that having life long liars in the movement would be kinda, sorta, counter productive.
DD214 available upon request. This is my first comment here.
June 1st, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Not too mention that he spent 10 years in the Guard/Reserves and was only a SPC. I know that prmotions are slower than on active duty, but he must have been a dirtbag to only make E-4 in 10 years.
June 1st, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Old Tanker..
It’s now called “doing the Murtha” in my unit.
June 1st, 2009 at 5:46 pm
I would like to say for the record that Hart Viges is a great person, even though he swears. As far as Carl goes, good job!
June 1st, 2009 at 5:49 pm
I had heard he was a good guy too, and I suppose swearing and a religious mindset aren’t mutually exclusive, albeit I don’t see it helping his case.
June 1st, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I have no love lost for Carl Webb and have tried to have him thrown out of IVAW twice. (I thought I succeeded the first time. But, then he showed up at Winter Soldier.)
Thanks John!
June 1st, 2009 at 6:50 pm
This is crazy, and my first time reading this blog.
How much time did you spend requesting FOIA materials re: Carl Webb that could’ve been done helping returning vets process VA paperwork or anything else?
GI Jane you should read the Declaration of Independence or Constitution before you go spouting off about what patriotism is. Try learning about foreign treaties we are required to uphold too. Well, if reading and learning are things you value – apparently you only value fear tactics and ignorance based on your posts. Idiot.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:09 pm
“How much time did you spend requesting FOIA materials re: Carl Webb that could’ve been done helping returning vets process VA paperwork or anything else?”
So far I have offered to do the VA paperwork for Adam Kokesh, and 4 other IVAW members who might not want me to publicly use their names. Adam didn’t need it since his was accepted the next day. How much time have I spent doing VA paperwork, 40 hours a week for several years. Now, how much paperwork have you done?
Perhaps you could point to a specific treaty just to make this easier. And make it specific, because I want to test your knowledge of International law as incorporated into our laws.
June 1st, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Marine Artist:
The crazy thing to me is that IVAW tolerated Carl Webb violating its code of conduct for so long. Regardless of this latest piece, carl should have been thrown out years ago. TO my knowledge he was in 2004. However, he showed up at Winter Soldier to create new drama. Carl Webb and others like him discredit the Peace Movement in two ways. First, they give credence to those opposed to the movement and second, sew disharmony within the movement itself. Carl Webb seeks only his own gain and nothing else.
GI Jane:
In some ways marine Artist is right. There are constitutional objections to the IRaq War. My objection is strategic. We did not commit enough forces to Afghanistan so that we could commit those forces to Iraq. Yet, Iraq was a contained threat and the Iraq war created a situation in which Iraq has thrived and our forces ar stretched very thin. I would argue that this has contributed to the North Korea problem we currently face.
June 1st, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Marine Artist (Is that supposed to be ironic?)
First of all, it’s “sow”, not “sew” since you’re so damn smart and felt the need to call someone an “idiot” online.
The war in AfPak preceded Iraq by 16 months so your argument regarding witholding forces makes no sense. Iraq was in no way contained and there is credible evidence they were providing material support to fundamental Islamic terrorists. Secondly, they were continuing to pursue WMD while frustrating UN resolutions that already called for use of force. For further elaboration on this subject, research the removal of almost 5,000 lbs of yellowcake uranium from Iraq to Canada last June.
These are facts, not opinions and can be easily researched by anyone who is willing. Perhaps you should heed your own advice. Our founding documents did not set out to define themselves or any individual or group as patriots. Perhaps you are confusing this with your high school history book. The Declaration of Independence set out to define the reasons for the colonies break from the crown and the goals of the revolution set upon the thinking of rationalists such as Locke and Rousseau. The Constitution organizes our framework of government and our fundamental rights…such as free speach.
So, how many of your fellow Marines have you helped today?
June 1st, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Jonn, are you SURE that you did, in fact, receive all of Carl Webb’s records and that there are not more records to show that he may, in fact, have enlisted in the National Guard in 2001?
I talked to Carl Webb at the VFP convention in Seattle, whatever year that was, which was when I first met him, and while I’m not saying I’m a 100% walking lie detection machine, I did not have any kind of sense that he was lying about that. Now I make no secret about the fact that I hate Carl’s politics, to be sure, but I think he is pretty proud of the fact that he is a deserter and that nobody’s ever come to pick him up all these years.
Another reason I question if you really do have all of his documents is because my own DD-214 – at least my original one, which is the one I have (though granted, I know that it is missing a couple things anyway), does not show anything on there whatsoever that I had unfortunately signed up for a 6-year IRR commitment even as I was getting out after 8 years of active duty. (I got talked into the 6-years of IRR upon my discharge from Regular Army when I was 8 months pregnant and was in no condition to think rationally…) Nobody looking at my DD-214 would know that I had a 6-year IRR commitment following that since I had completely fulfilled that obligation before my pregnancy discharge.
Okay, just to be sure, I just looked at it again. Indeed, there is nothing on there indicating I had any IRR obligation, but I know that I did and I do have other documents showing that. Thus it seems totally logical to me that this is what the case is with Carl Webb with regard to the National Guard.
How do you KNOW that you have all of his documents? I’m personally not convinced. I think Carl is telling the truth -that he is, in fact, a deserter.
Carl, remember our conversation at the Seattle VFP convention in the exhibit hall when you told me about your being a deserter, how you have made it public knowledge for years, that people know where you’re at, and yet, still, nobody has ever come to pick you up? I remember it very well.
Btw…you have the right to remain to silent, anything you say can and will be used against you…
Peace out…
Debbie
June 1st, 2009 at 9:32 pm
And having worked with treaties ad nauseum in my previous work with the US and other governments I can tell you this: most if not all of them allow one party to withdraw at any time.
Oooooo, snap.
June 1st, 2009 at 9:42 pm
LtCol Tim:
I am not Marine Artistand you seem to have gotten us confused. You are right. There was a typo I did mean Sow not Sew. Perhaps Olbermnan should call me his Worser Person in the World tonight. Ah, forget it his show is already in the can for tonight. But, alas, I will probably do something equally dumb tomorrow.
In any event, I have seen no credible information that Iraq was harboring terrorist. General Zinni and General Jones both wrote about this assessment.
Twice after 9/11 my battalion was told that we were not going to Afghanistan because we were being held back for Iraq. The Iraq war drums were beating in the winter of 2002 up to the invasion. It was planned much farther in advance.
I am sure you really don’t care. But, I’ve been helping veterans since I got out. I am currently tying to get hired by my local Employment Security Commission as a Veterans Rep. We may disagree about the politics of the wars. But, I think we can agree that each of us should be taken care of.
June 1st, 2009 at 10:22 pm
HM2..Ret.
Thank you for your help to our veterans. It does matter and I do feel that veterans are unfairly maligned and lack critical support that this country owes them. This is not new, nor is it limited to post 9/11 or Vietnam vets.
Without getting into too much detail, my work as a Corps planner during 2002-03 gave me a good insight into the Army’s deployment capabilities and priorities in that period. That and other information encountered in the course of my subsequent deployment to Iraq leaves no doubt in my mind that there was a clear linkage to terrorism and that Iraq had not foresworn their pursuit of WMD. What I find disturbing is the media’s manipulation of the the real facts regarding the war and the intellectual laziness on the part of many if not most people to do some basic research on their own.
Without going on a rant, the relevance to the post on Carl Webb and his ilk is their cynical manipulation of veterans and veterans’ issues to further their political agenda, and in many cases their financial well-being. This attempt to hijack the real narrative of our soldiers’ (I use that term collectively, if somewhat parochially) service and sacrifice turns my stomach. As a group they are despicable, and in individual cases such as Webb, cannot not even meet the ridiculously low standards for admission for IVAW. They prey upon the politically unsophisticated and discard them when they outlive their usefulness. This behavior alone is enough to tell you what kind of squaddie they were.
Webb, Kokesh, Chiroux, et al, will continue to perpetrate this fraud unless folks like TSO speak out. As I’m on active duty, my political voice is somewhat limited. That just goes with the territory. Freedom of speach is an American right. Lying, manipulation, and attacks on the real heroes are anathema to this country’s ideals.
Truly trying to assist veterans as you are has nothing in common like IVAW. Best of luck.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:12 pm
LtCol Tim,
I appreciate that you are against lying and manipulation. I am too. But what do you think about positions taken by retired military people of your rank and higher which places them on the opposite side of the fence than you? Do you view them also as liars, manipulators, and attackers on the real heroes?
Personally I am disturbed to see that someone in your position does not seem to respect the fact that it is reasonable for a person to oppose the war who still supports the troops (though I’m by no means suggesting that Carl Webb is such a person).
June 1st, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Debbie,
It isn’t a question of whether I agree with a person’s point of view regarding the war. I don’t have any issue with them proselityzing, as long as they are honest. The target of my response was those who misrepresent themselves, their agenda, or the relevant facts under the guise of supporting the troops. Those people have an entirely different agenda. Also, one’s rank in the military no intinsic worth when debating this issue.
June 1st, 2009 at 11:45 pm
LtCol Tim,
Thank you for your response. I appreciate that.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:28 am
6BohicaTwentyTwo Says:
June 1st, 2009 at 9:13 am
Polyamorous? So he’s a lying, socialist, swinger looking for someone’s couch to crash on? Forgive me if I don’t volunteer my pull-out.
HAHA if only his daddy had offered the pull out!
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:49 am
Oh, golly gee. What a thrill. Mr. Chiroux graced us with his ‘esteemed (choke) presence’. He’s a big celebrity now, don’t you know. Makes big speeches about his mean (poor southern) family and raping helpless girls. Boo hoo. And some shit about Anthrax testing.
Thought you were laid up in a hospital somewhere, Chiroux. Who’s paying your bills now? Now that your big ‘FIGHT’ is over, huh? No more ‘legal defense fund’. Guess that’s why you need the girlfriend. But, I heard she was leaving your sorry ass. Met her once. She seemed like a smart person. Hope she wises up.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:57 am
and, the point is, that at the end of the day, we (Remember, 84%approval rating for the invasion of Iraq) made a call, based on the best intel we could get. we invaded. most of our intel was bad. not all of it. but most. The crux of the argument at the time was, “hey, this is the best intel we got, yes its dicey, but can we REALLY take the chance the intel is wrong?” and we all felt pretty comfortable that we couldn’t.
so, we invaded. after that, were in for the long haul. until its done. Now, we can all sit here and monday morning quarterback ourselves to death, as we are, or, we can agree we mad a bad call, figure out what we did wrong, what we could do better, and move the fuck on?
Heres the thing that chaps my ass about the anti-war types: by labeling themselves as anti- war, it automatically casts the dissenter (ME) into the role of being pro-war. noones pro-war!
It comes down to our ability to draw a line as a society, and say, this you shall not cross, or we will f**k you up.
12 years. 16 UN resolutions. our own 12 year old cease fire agreement.
8 years of oil for food corruption. 16 new palaces.
Halabja.
Anfal.
Gimme a break. The world rejoiced when we freed Iraq. we made some mistakes after that, true. but we brought in Petraeus in the middle of the 3rd Quarter, and we got right back in the ballgame.
the anti’s seem to think that there should never be a line drawn, ever, or else we’ll share our feelings with you, and look disappointed.
Me, I think we should have drawn that line once, and enforced it correctly from the git go.
“Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.” ~ John F. Kennedy
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
–John Stewart Mill–
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:23 am
I’m popping up my head just to say that I’m not deliberately ignoring this thread but have some serious issues I need to take care of Army-side this week and won’t have time to spend on blogwar. Best to all.
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:40 am
Matthis states in this thread: “…I’ve never admitted to rape.”
In Matthis’ Manifesto he states: “I felt as though I had raped her.”
In Matthis’ Manifesto he later states in reference to the above: “I knew I had done wrong…”
In Matthis’ Manifesto he he goes on to state: “I apologize from the bottom of my heart to the women I’ve hurt as a result of my sexual dehumanization. …I’m sorry for the wrong I have done to womankind.”
You admit you did wrong. You apologize for that wrong. But you weasel out of responsbility for that wrong with “I felt as though…” You want to stand up and be counted, then stand up like a man and take responsibility for “your” actions, don’t be a wordsmith weasel.
I would accept the premise that you are a man of principle. I would accept your calls for bringing those in high places whom have wronged to justice. But in so doing would you not make the same call for those in low places. Would not your own principles demand you turn yourself into the Philippine consulate to face justice for the rape you “felt as though” you committed.
You have made some outrageous accusations, excuse me “Confessions” in your Manifesto “Confessions of a War Resistor”. I challenge you, let the light of truth you demand shine back on you. Publically authorize the release of all your juvenile records, legal, counseling, school, everything, with a legal, notorized public statement.
Unless you are willing to be subjected to your own high moral standards your fifteen minutes of fame are over.
Consider the glove thrown Sgt. “Felt as though”
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:28 am
I found the Iraqi Perspectives Project the most comprehensive report on Saddams links to terrorism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Perspectives_Project
This is the five page exeutive summary:
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/03/14/saddam.terrorism.pentagon.pdf
This is the full report, which is 94 pages long:
http://media.npr.org/documents/2008/mar/gjeltenpentagonvol1.pdf
The ABSTRACT summary is probably the best description you will read without spending a few hours:
Captured Iraqi documents have uncovered evidence that links the regime of Saddam Hussein to regional and global terrorism, including a variety of revolutionary, liberation, nationalist, and Islamic terrorist organizations. While these documents do not reveal direct coordination
and assistance between the Saddam regime and the al Qaeda network, they do indicate that Saddam was willing to use, albeit cautiously, operatives affiliated with al Qaeda as long as Saddam could have these terrorist–operatives monitored closely. Because Saddam’s security organizations and Osama bin Laden’s terrorist network operated with similar aims (at least in the short term), considerable overlap was inevitable when monitoring, contacting, financing, and training the same outside groups. This created both the appearance of and, in some ways, a “de facto” link between the organizations. At times, these organizations would work together in pursuit of shared goals but still maintain their autonomy and independence because of innate caution and mutual distrust. Though the execution of Iraqi terror plots was not always successful, evidence shows that Saddam’s use of terrorist tactics and his support for terrorist groups remained strong up until the
collapse of the regime.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Caroline wrote: “Bohica22- My question is how can he be polyamorous and not have a love life?”
That’s easy, he uses both hands.
June 2nd, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Army Sergeant,
sent you an e-mail. waiting for a reply.
June 2nd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
I echo Casey’s thumb’s up on Hart. I have a pretty nasty tongue myself…but hopefully my activism more than makes up in bonus kharma points. Hart’s got LOTs of those and is a wonderful human being and even though I think accountability in the movement is extremely important, I appreciate Hart’s stance to keep focused and moving forward. It takes many voices…just as long as they’re true.
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Whois HM2(FMF/SW)Ret?
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:06 pm
HM2(FMF/SW)Ret.,
How could I have been thrown out in 2004 since I was a member until 2005?
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Who is TSO?
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:14 pm
I have an idea. Why don’t you contact all of the journalist that have written about me?
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
John, The Active Army and the Army National Guard do have separate records. You need to contact the National Guard Bureau to see if you can obtain a copy of his NGB 22. That is the Guards version of a DD214. DD214s will only show active military service. If he went into the Guard, as he says it wouldnt be on his records from before if he stayed in his same MOS because he wouldnt have gone to anymore active training. Still sounds fishy to me though. The Reserves will just chapter someone out for non participant status if they stop showing up for drill and they will usually send there discharge in the mail. The Guard, being that they are State ran can easily contact the local sheriffs dep. and have a warrant issued for someone who is AWOL. Seen it happen for people missing just one drill weekend. I highly doubt they issued one for him and then just said “oh well lets just stop looking for him” Hope this helps. Happy hunting!
June 2nd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Carl Webb asked: Who is TSO?
He’s a guy who has been there and done that.
What kinda back up do you require?
June 2nd, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Carl:
You are right. I was off on the date. It was shortly after you joined, in any event. Rmeber that bull crap about how all American soldiers should be slaughtered in Iraq? It didn’t go over well with most of the steering committee.
June 2nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Carl,
Did you really say that? I hope they lock your ass up.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:00 pm
You all should check out IVAW Board Chairman Camilo Mejia and Board Co-Chair Adrienne Kinne. Both these “superstars” are members of the ISO (there maybe more). They actually believe veterans DON’T deserve any benefits that all Americans don’t receive. For example, they don’t believe veterans should receive healthcare when all Americans don’t get this benefit.
In IVAW’s mission statement, they call for “Full benefits, adequate healthcare (including mental health), and other supports for returning servicemen and women.” IVAW has done NOTHING to help our fellow vets, not one proposal, not one legislative policy recommendation, they didn’t even come out in support of the New GI. Bill. They put that line into the mission statement to make it look as if they care about vets (possibly giving them some legitamcy as a veterans organization) but they’ve done absolutely nothing.
June 2nd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Actually, at the time we adopted the points of unity we enviosioned ourselves as a budding Veterans Service Organization. The reality of anit-war work meant that we were spending most of our time on the anit-war work. I agree with ADIM in that the organization has done nothing meaningful outside of that POU. The intention was good, but the membership has not stepped up nor do I expect it to with the current leadership.
June 2nd, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Well documented Bohica 22. In regards to IVAW and any any other people or organizations that profess to have the interests of the the veterans at heart; where does their time, money, energy, and support go? Words, not deeds. To a soldier, actions trump words every time. Despite their best efforts, IVAW will never attract servicemen in any appreciable numbers because they immediately understand their agenda is focused on self aggrandizement. Well, almost all immediately…some take awhile to realize they’ve been used. The “political causes” they support is just another way of attracting attention to themselves, attention they cannot achieve through positive contributions to society. Therefore they exist only to negate the accomplishments of others and act shocked and surprised when they in turn get used by scum like Chiroux and Webb. After awhile they started to believe their own propoganda! Their are plenty of apolitical organizations that provide tangible, material support to veterans and their families. There are also forums for advocating your political viewpoints. In my opinion you’ll be of more help and have more success keeping the two separate. If charity comes with a lecture then I’d rather go hungry.
June 2nd, 2009 at 10:49 pm
LtCol Tim,
The reason that Veterans For Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War gained a few non-leftist members in the first place is simply because there are NO other veterans organizations in existence which oppose the war. Please bear in mind that from the beginning there have been conservative and libertarian voices opposing the war along with the leftists. For a person like myself who was disturbed deeply enough over the Iraq war that it became necessary to seek out like-minded people to organize with, VFP was the most attractive because VFP (as well as IVAW) retains certain elements that are familiar to military veterans who have never been a part of the peace movement before or even associated before with left-wingers. Personally I never could stand to march in antiwar protests with regular civilians/non-veterans for the simple reason that they are SO unruly and undisciplined that it’s almost intolerable.
If you have ever stood along the street or from a set location and watched an entire protest march from beginning to end of multiple thousands of people, then you should know what I’m talking about. Marching with veterans is totally different. There you can find, amidsst all the chaos, an actual under-current of some organization, coherence, comraderie, and discipline (comparatively speaking), even when the group also includes some of the military’s worse misfits and outspoken rebels.
If you can understand and accept that there ARE a few conservative and libertarian voices that have opposed this war since before the invasion, if you can understand (even if you don’t agree) that a person who is so disturbed by what his/her country is doing that they feel compelled by their own conscience and mental health to speak out, then you should be able to understand why a person like this who is a military veteran would want to join with other military veterans to do so. VFP and IVAW have been the only game in town for veterans in strong disagreement with the war. I am no longer a VFP member and no longer active in protesting the war, but I had my reasons at the time and didn’t enter blindly.
(Yes, I realize that the protests have accomplished nothing, but that is another issue.)
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:20 am
Debbie Clark wrote “Yes, I realize that the protests have accomplished nothing, but that is another issue.” Well after marching from Harlem to Central Park a new enlistee came to me on the very same day and I was able to help him break his enlistment contract.
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:23 am
Carl,
Your a douche! Please go find a country that believes the way you do. We don’t want you here anymore.
Why don’t you just admit that you are too much of a pussy to serve in combat rather than make up lies. Your a fraud.
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 am
DEV504 says “The Guard, being that they are State run can easily contact the local sheriffs dep. and have a warrant issued for someone who is AWOL. I highly doubt they issued one for him and then just said ‘oh well lets just stop looking for him’ Hope this helps.”
It took them almost a year to have an warrant issued and they couldn’t seem to find me although I was speaking on the radio and television and giving public talks. All they had to do was google “Carl Webb” or just look at one of my websites, blogs, or social networking profiles.
June 3rd, 2009 at 1:55 am
HM2(FMF/SW)Ret. says “Rmeber that bull crap about how all American soldiers should be slaughtered in Iraq? It didn’t go over well with most of the steering committee.”
I think you mean the text on my website that said “I support unconditional military defense of Iraq and the right to fight for self-determination in the struggle against US imperialist domination, and believe the Iraqi people have the right to resist occupation by any means necessary.” Tim Goodrich was the only member to question me about it. You can click on http://ivaw.org/member/carl-webb and see that it’s still there after more than 4 years so they couldn’t have been that upset about it.
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:00 am
Bring it on disgrunted IVAW member!
June 3rd, 2009 at 2:08 am
I said “I support unconditional military defense of Iraq and the right to fight for self-determination in the struggle against US imperialist domination, and believe the Iraqi people have the right to resist occupation by any means necessary.”
http://ivaw.org/member/carl-webb
If you don’t agree Debbie, then I hope the Iraqis lock your ass up some day.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:32 am
Carl: Maybe you aren’t that important? Do you think that could be a reason they haven’t come and got you? I’m glad that you decided to take the route you have, because that leaves more room for someone who wants to be there and will do the job they volunteered to do.
The fact that you are a self admitted deserter may play very well with the hippie crowd, but I don’t think that will translate into you moving up in the real world, as evidenced by the lack of job offers. See, as I have told others, once the shine wears off and the crowds move their attention on to others, you will still have to deal with real world issues, like sustained employment, housing, etc. By your own admission, that is rather difficult for you, presently, and being a deserter will only make it more difficult in the future. Most employers do background checks these days and when your name pops up as a deserter, that makes their decision that much easier. Good luck working at any company/institution that requires a clean record for employment, like say nursing, perhaps.
The usual excuse of “being young and not really knowing what to expect”, that other defenders of the cowardly use, doesn’t really apply to you, since you were well old enough and had enough experience in the military already, to know exactly what you were getting into.
Good luck with the rest of your life.
June 3rd, 2009 at 6:51 am
Really Carl? And yet you still won’t show any paperwork on that?
No one gave a shit if you were a deserter because no one had any expectation you would honor your contract anyway.
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:18 am
Debbie Clark Says:
The reason that Veterans For Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War gained a few non-leftist members in the first place is simply because there are NO other veterans organizations in existence which oppose the war.
What about VoteVets?
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:19 am
Debbie Clark Says:
The reason that Veterans For Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War gained a few non-leftist members in the first place is simply because there are NO other veterans organizations in existence which oppose the war.
What about VoteVets?
June 3rd, 2009 at 7:40 am
And IAVA.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:41 am
LtCol Tim:
I think your assessment of anti-war veterans is flawed. I joined the organization early on not because I wanted my face on the news or to draw crowds. I had spent the previous nine months watching young sailors come to work for me only to be mobilized on contigency platforms and gone within a week. They usally came to me and asked what to do. They wanted to know why they were fighting. The thought of the noble, brave young men beikng thrown into a meat grinder for false pretenses was not something I could do as an NCO. The thought of the men from my Battalion who did not come home ate at my soul. I think Dr. King summed it up when he said, “A time comes when silence is betrayal…For those of us who have begun to break the silence of the night, the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony. But, we must speak.”
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:42 am
LtCol Tim:
I think your assessment of anti-war veterans is flawed. I joined the organization early on not because I wanted my face on the news or to draw crowds. I had spent the previous nine months watching young sailors come to work for me only to be mobilized on contigency platforms and gone within a week. They usally came to me and asked what to do. They wanted to know why they were fighting. The thought of the noble, brave young men being thrown into a meat grinder for false pretenses was not something I could do as an NCO. The thought of the men from my Battalion who did not come home ate at my soul. I think Dr. King summed it up when he said, “A time comes when silence is betrayal…For those of us who have begun to break the silence of the night, the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony. But, we must speak.”
June 3rd, 2009 at 9:37 am
Carl,
The Active Duty Army can take a year to issue a warrant just because so many people go AWOL and they cover the entire US. There are AWOL apprehension teams at almost every active duty post with files stacked up a mile high. The Guard considering they each have a state headquarters for their prospective state they belong to doesnt have this problem. Now it also depends on the command group for each states HQ on how they handle AWOL individuals. They may handle it just like the Active Army does. They dont go looking for you, they just wait till you are arrested or pulled over and your social security number pops up as having a warrant out for being AWOL. You shouldnt have this problem considering you probably dont own a car since your asking for someone to give you a bicycle. Basically once the warrant is issued it is up to civilian law enforcement to get the individual. The Army or Guard cant go around arresting people, dont really have the jurisdiction.
June 3rd, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Debbie,
I’m not here to judge you, but will point out that when you throw your lot in with people who have already compromised themselves its just a matter of time before you compromise yourself or leave. You chose to leave. Its not a question of someone’s right to political dissent or advocacy. However, actively encouraging and abetting the desertion of servicemembers during a time of war is a crime. What about the soldiers who had to take the place of the deserters? They fulfilled their service obligations, their contractual obligations, their sworn oath. Look, I’m not naive. I’ve commanded a recruiting company, a ROTC battalion, and led soldiers in combat as a company and field grade officer. People don’t join the military on a whim. Even at 17 or 18 years old they recognize it as the life changing commitment that it is. This is especially true of those who entered the service post 9/11. They have key influencers in their lives such as coaches, teachers, parents, and friends, who affected their decision to enlist and ship to basic training. Really, they have multiple opportunities to quit before and during basic training. Those who come to the sudden realization of a change in conscience most likely are having a sudden attack of impending morality. I would challenge you to produce soldiers who actually deployed in theater and patrolled outside the wire who are truly against the war. Not the disgruntled misfits that nobody would want out with them because they could get someone killed, but an honest to goodness soldier that has seen the tremendous good we have brought (my experience is in Iraq).
If you are concerned about the human cost of war, then start by helping the families here that are most affected by it. As a rear detachment commander I worked closely with the Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors (TAPS) who provide ongoing support to families of servicemembers fallen in combat. Start your own organization if you can’t find one that meets your needs.
HM2- Your primary responsibilities as an NCO were to prepare those sailors for the combat that lay ahead, not undermining the morale and discipline of your organization. The are regulations prohibiting your participation in the organizations you described. If what you say is true and I were your commander, you would have never made it to retirement status.
June 4th, 2009 at 12:49 am
LtCol Tim,
Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed response.
First let me say, I don’t mean to show disrespect or offend you in any manner by attempting to talk over you, but I’m very conscientious about American rights and I feel that it must be said that even service members do have some rights. Whatever you might think of left-wing politics, Veterans For Peace nevertheless is a a 501(c)(3) organization and NGO at the United Nations and is the parent organization of Iraq Veterans Against the War.
Besides jumping to conclusions about HM2’s activities – and while I’m no lawyer myself – I’m concerned that you’re not well informed regarding federal laws protecting the rights of service members. While it is not really central to the issues here, HM2’s exercise of free speech regarding the war and his involvement in IVAW actually was after he was already discharged from the military anyway. (I met him at the organization’s first national meeting in 2004.) I don’t mean to be speaking for him here as I know he speaks very well for himself, and again, it’s not pertinent in his particular case anyway, but I would like to know what regulations you believe prohibit the right of service members to engage in the civic discourse and educational and political activities while off-duty and out of uniform. (Yes, there have been service members who have violated uniform restrictions, i.e., engaging in protest off-duty but with a uniform, which is prohibited, but they chose to commit those violations knowingly and paid the expected price, as they should.)
For further information regarding the rights of service members under the law, please see the website for the Appeal for Redress campaign at http://www.appealforredress.org/
Again I don’t mean in any manner to be offensive and I want you to know that I feel honored to meet your acquaintance in this forum and I thank you for your service to your country. I also appreciate that you have been very courteous to me in the manner of a true gentleman. I am only asking you now to extend yourself just a little bit further to ensure that your understanding of the law regarding service members’ rights is completely accurate. If indeed your understanding is correct and we are wrong and you are able to prove that, then, in my opinion, there needs to be some public correction to the information that is up at the Appeal for Redress campaign website.
I will respond further this weekend to your comments that were addressed specifically to me as they are topics of great interest to me and highly relevant to my personal life, but right now I need to get some sleep.
Thank you again for your response and I will be back on this.
June 4th, 2009 at 7:04 am
LtCol. Tim:
Your limited response missed the point of my statement. You also make assumptions about my character. I counseled all of them to follow their duty. I gave them tips and tricks to organize thier gear and answered their questions. I did no IVAW organizing on on Government Property or in uniform. I also did not discuss IVAW with deploying sailors. (What good would that do for them?)
I was referring to your ridiculous claim that every anti-war veteran is a spotlight hungry primadonas. My point was that the majority of us (at least at the outset of the organization.) It would have simply been easier to just ignore what is going on in our world and what is being done to our best and brightest. But I cannot in good conscience. Iraq may have improved over the last two years and I admit that I was wrong about General Petraeus. However, the fact still remains that the ends cannot justify the means.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:00 am
I previously wrote, “The reason that Veterans For Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War gained a few non-leftist members in the first place is simply because there are NO other veterans organizations in existence which oppose the war.”
BohicaTwenty asked, “What about VoteVets?” and TSO added, “And IAVA.”
I began actively protesting the impending war on the streets in early 2003 before the war even began, much less before any new organizations were formed by or for veterans returning from that war. Both VoteVets and IAVA are relatively new organizations, neither of them have opposition to the Iraq war as a central mission; and most certainly neither of them are remotely, or even slightly, conservative or libertarian. Also, both of the organizations are exclusively for Iraq and Afghanistan vets, of which I am neither.
You might be interested to know that when I founded the Atlanta chapter of Veterans For Peace, although Veterans For Peace overall is a left-wing organization, the one other person who was most instrumental in helping me (more by simply being there in support and by providing a meeting location in the early days), was another conservative/libertarian, former Navy combat pilot who served two combat tours in Vietnam and father of a combat pilot who served multiple tours in Iraq and served in Iraq during that time (now deceased, non-combat related).
That was the actual start of the greater Atlanta VFP chapter, believe it or not – completely devoid of any communist or socialist influences or intentions, quite the opposite.
LtcCo Tim, regarding your post, the parts that I didn’t answer yet, I think I will reply to it on my own blog and you can post comment there. (I will post here when I have completed that.).
June 5th, 2009 at 6:04 am
IAVA and VoteVets do not take the position that the war was wrong, only that it wasn’t being waged correctly. There is a big difference.
June 6th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
OldTrooper,
I’m dealing with real world issues, like sustained employment, housing, etc just fine. I’ve had jobs with both the federal government and my local county government since refusing to serve in an unjust war. Click on http://www.armyparatrooper.org/dropzone/showthread.php?t=5628 and read the blog entry titled “Just let the AWOLs walk, AND give them a government job?”
Jonn wrote: Yeah, I saw that, Webb, but I don’t believe it. I think you made that up along with everything else. You claimed you worked for the Census Bureau in 2006 – six years after the census was taken (or four years before the next census). Unless you were a contracted janitor, I don’t think the Census Bureau hired you for actual Census Bureau business. That’s one more thing you’ll have to prove.
June 6th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Hey Carl, why did you list “sex” twice in your facebook profile?
June 6th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Wow Carl:
Way to stick it to the imperialist white machine. Oh wait, that’s only when it works in your favor. So you can bad mouth America and the government, but you can work for them. Hypocritical moron.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:20 am
Has the mainstream press picked up the story about my lies yet?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:25 am
Jonn did you know the US Census Bureau is a year round operation? They don’t just go to work every ten years. If you did not know that, read this:
Census Bureau selects Travis County for 2010 Census test
For immediate release
May 2, 2005
The U.S. Census Bureau will conduct field testing in 2006 for the 2010 Census in a portion of Travis County, Texas.
The test site area cuts a north-south path through Travis County along the Interstate 35 corridor from Onion Creek to the border with Williamson County. It primarily includes portions of Austin, both east and west of I-35, but also takes in part of Pflugerville and unincorporated areas of Travis County.
“This project is part of a multi-year testing and development process in preparation for the 2010 Census,” said Census Bureau Director Louis Kincannon. “It is designed to test new and improved methods, technology and procedures planned for use in the 2010 Census.”
Travis County was selected as one of only two test sites by the Census Bureau.
“The county is an ideal testing ground for the Census Bureau because it is a technology center with a rapidly growing and diverse population and a variety of housing,” said Cleve Allen, manager of the Local Census Office.
Kincannon said the Census Bureau will study new methods for meeting the language needs of respondents who do not speak English. “In the Travis County site, we will evaluate using bilingual questionaires and enhanced language assistance programs,” he said.
In the 2006 Census Test, field workers will enter data directly onto handheld computers, reducing data entry errors that can result when notes are recorded on paper. If implemented successfully in 2010, the use of handheld computers will increase efficiency and reduce the total cost of data collection.
The Census Bureau also will be testing improvements to methods for counting people who reside in group quarters. These include college dormitories or residence halls, hospital wards and nursing homes, correctional institutions, juvenile detention centers, military quarters and group homes.
In addition to studying new methods and technology in the 2006 Census Test, the Census Bureau will continue to uphold its high standard of protecting the confidentiality of all respondents. Every person with access to data is sworn by law to protect confidentiality. Violating the laws protecting confidentiality is a federal crime with serious penalties, including a prison sentence of up to five years and a $250,000 fine. Respondent information is protected and identities cannot be shared with any person or organization outside of the Census Bureau.
County residents who would like to be considered for temporary census jobs in 2005 and 2006 should contact the Austin Local Census Office at (888) 814-6711.
Contact:
Silvia Reveles, Austin Local Census Office, (512) 369-1208
Dave McMahon, Public Information Office, (301) 763-3691
http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/news/2005/census_traviscounty.htm
June 10th, 2009 at 1:29 am
2006 Census Test in Travis County
The 2006 Census Test was one of the final evaluations of the new methods and procedures under consideration for the 2010 Census. The test was conducted in a culturally diverse high-density metropolitan area with plenty of multi-unit dwellings.
The two test sites encompassed a portion of Travis County, Texas (including portions of the municipalities of Austin and Pflugerville).
Travis County, Texas, was selected because it provided the Census Bureau with culturally diverse, high-density metropolitan areas, including many multi-unit dwellings.
About the 2006 Census Test
The 2006 Census Test started in March 2006 with the mailing of advance letters and ended in July 2006 after census takers followed up with households that did not respond by mail.
The Census Bureau assessed the following in the 2006 Census Test
Travis County Test Site
* The usefulness of hand-held computers for providing maps to enumerators and interviewing respondents.
* The effectiveness of revised definitions and methods for distinguishing group quarters from housing units.
* The effectiveness of new methods to improve overall population and housing coverage and to eliminate duplication.
http://2010.census.gov/2010census/about_2010_census/007623.html
July 5th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Does the story end here? Are you jerks going to the VFP/IVAW convention in Maryland next month?
July 5th, 2009 at 7:12 am
So I guess none of the press in the Washington D.C. area were interested in a story about an deserter who didn’t really desert? Did you try send a press release about it to Texas? I was the one that got the Houston Chronicle to cover Winter Soldier. Maybe they might take an interest.
July 5th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Oh yeah! Debbie Russell can vouch for my employment with the US Census.
July 5th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Carl, methinks you doth protest too much….
July 20th, 2009 at 11:29 am
I guess that’s the end of that conversation. I won again.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Yeah, assholes always want to get in the last word, don’t they Carl?
July 20th, 2009 at 11:37 am
BTW–still looking for a couch to crash on, Carl? I saw my neighbor throwing one out the other day. Doesn’t look too bad if you don’t mind the lack of cushions and the smell of dog crap.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Carl, I wouldn’t speak for Debbie. Like so many, she is not your biggest fan. You have never won anything in your life. You are just cheap and petty as a human being.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
So does this mean NHSparky is trying to get the last word in? I just joined the Conservative Cave© – A Conservative Political Forum! Last one to post is a rotten egg! Or is that an asshole.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php?action=profile;u=676
July 31st, 2011 at 3:49 pm
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May 14th, 2012 at 2:34 am
Is anyone going to the Military Experience and the Arts Symposium?
June 26th, 2012 at 10:46 am
I cannot believe that I am just finding this website! A true goldmine of the lands biggest douches.
December 7th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
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February 18th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Did this guy leave teh IVAW or was he kicked out?
February 18th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
It took us months, but IVAW finally kicked him out. And he hasn’t shut up about it yet.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Oh okay, great update. I remember looking at the IVAW website in 2010 and now looking at it, alot of these guys have vanished or faded away.
It looks like Carl Webb has disappeared off the face of the planet. He was seeming to hotshot it up on here until December 12th and vanished. I think he had a rock star attitude despite the fact he talked about needing a couch to stay on or his need of a bike.
As you said, had he worked for the census he would have had other opportunity for jobs beyond just that. They probably hired him and fired him within a few days after realizing it was a mistake.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
@96, I know your comment was long ago, but I’m always happy to see another Wolfhound.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
Pussy.