LGF’s Rightwing Extremist Veteran
On Sunday, Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs had a post up entitled What Right Wing Extremists? about a few twisted people in Arizona who killed a 9-year-old girl and a man whom they claim they thought was a drug dealer. Because the perpetrators belonged to the Minutemen American Defense, a group of citizen border watchers, not affiliated with the group weve come to know as “The Minutemen”, by the way.
Charles used their ties to the group, MAD, as proof that the Homeland Security Department’s warning back in April to law enforcement to be on the look out for right wing extremists was warranted.
Johnson put an update on his blog yesterday because one of the perpetraters of the double murder was charged in the murder of a homeless guy. Charles included a phrase from MAD’s website;
We are honored to have Gunny aboard. He served 6 tours over seas, where he has several medals. He received a Purple heart, Silver and Bronze star, Combat Infantry Badge and a Presidential citation for his actions in the Special Forces.
Gunny, it turns out, is 34-year-old Jason Eugene Bush, the suspected trigger man in the murder of the man and his daughter. Johnson probably wanted to highlight that phrase because it further proved the DHS report accurate and well-founded because the report warned about veterans with special training.
Well, I spent two days looking and I couldn’t find any military records of a Jason Eugene Bush – I found a Jason E. Bush who lived in Tennessee who’d been an Abrams tanker, but it couldn’t have been this guy in Arizona or Washington State or wherever he is from today.
I did, however, find a 34-year-old Jason Eugene Bush, but not in military records. I wonder if he’d made time for his special operations training while he was in prison in Utah for trafficking contraband, trying to escape from custody, and assaulting LEOs;
Or while he was on probation in Kansas;
Or while he was on probation in Texas on a 12-month suspended sentence for a couple of counts of assault;
Since his first arrest was in 1994, when he was nineteen, it doesn’t look like Jason Bush had been in the military at all – despite the stories, the military frowns on recruiting folks with multiple felony convictions. But most people wouldn’t know that unless they served in the military.
Scott North in Snohomish County, WA wrote in the local paper on Sunday;
Bush, the suspected gunman in the Arivaca killings, has extensive adult and juvenile criminal history in Eastern Washington. He’s served prison time for auto theft and being a felon in possession of firearms, court papers show.
It seems this Jason Eugene Bush isn’t a veteran of anything except the justice system. He’s probably not even a right wing extremist, just your run-of-the-mill, everyday sociopath.
I spent two days verifying all of this with police forces and journalists.
I hope Charles Johnson can find it in his heart to apologize to veterans for his cut on us, as I’ve always admired him as a blogger until recently. I hope he doesn’t disappoint me.
UPDATE: Scott North, the journalist with whom I’ve been in contact today, just this minute arrived at the same conclusions;
He called himself “Gunny” and reportedly told his pals in the Minutemen American Defense border-watch group that he was a decorated Special Forces veteran who’d survived combat in Somalia, Bosnia, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Instead, there is no record that Jason Eugene Bush served in the military as he claims, spokesmen at the Pentagon said Wednesday.
June 17th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
I hate to point out the obvious, but I’m afraid that you only delude yourself if you expect anything even vaguely connected to “LGF” to be free of the stench of putrified grey matter drifting ever, ever to the port.
June 17th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
facts have no place in the Obamamerica.
June 17th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
You just made the decision simple…LGF is no deleted from “bookmarks”.
June 17th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Don’t hold your breath about Chaz.
He has lost both his honor and his decency.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Jonn,
Chawles is simply doing his part as a little yapping lap dog of the “lightworker”. He can read the tea leaves (as opposed to bags) and understand that, in the new ObAmerica, is he wants to be allowed to publish anything, he has to stay on meme.
The current administration is just reintroducing the old playbook from the heady days of the KGB & Chicago Mob. They are trying to force their way into control over everything, and the Constitution be damned.
Chawles understands this, and like the good newspaper editors of Germany & Italy did back in the early 20th century, he’s thrown his lot in with the “strong man” in order to keep his supply of bread and beer uninterrupted.
I’m not losing any sleep over his leftward death spiral. He’s chosen his bed, and now must sleep in it, or with the fishes, depending on the whims of his new master.
Respects,
June 17th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
LGF will do nothing of the sort — CJ has long since tired of being fair and balanced.
He has a religious-creationist-conservative animus that is borderline bigotry and off-the-charts irrational.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Geez, just the fact he allegedly Army and claims to be a “Gunny” would set off Bullshit alarms for me. He didnt perchance say his team leader was Stitch Jones did he?
June 17th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Geez, he claims to be Army but calls himself Gunny, Would set off My BS alarm. was his team Leader Stitch Jones?
June 17th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Charles Johnson apologizes to no man. The best you can hope possibly hope for is some sort of tortured non-apology that ends with “but, yeah, that report was right on the mark…because it is.”
June 17th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
“He’s probably not even a right wing extremist, just your run-of-the-mill, everyday sociopath.”
Yeah, because sociopathy and right-wing extremism are mutually exclusive. And all right-wing extremists are really mislabeled leftists anyway.
*cough*McVeigh*cough*von Brunn*cough*Roeder*cough
And the “Minutemen for American Defense” are all known leftists.
*cough*
And ex-military have NEVER been known to go psycho.
*cough*
Charles Johnson noted that none of the group’s claims for “Gunny” had been confirmed.
What does he have to apologize for?
June 17th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
would anyone here mind posting to a comment by charles where he cuts the military?
June 17th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Yo, Thomas,
Von Brunn was definitely a leftist. He was out to get Jews and Neo-Cons.
Same with the Klan, and the Neo-Nazis. All those fascists and socialists are very much leftist whack jobs, not conservatives by any stretch of the imagination.
I mean, it wasn’t right-wingers trying to bomb universities or ROTC or Police, right? Oops bad choice of words, eh? heh.
Go down the list of sociopaths for the past 150 years, and you’ll find the left sets the gold standard for violence and whack jobs.
respects,
June 17th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Here we go, and now we are the right wing extremists.
You just had to know it was going to happen.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
TSO,
Seems the site is being visited by some of Chawles’ fan boys.
I gave up on his site last fall. It’s like he’s trying to be a hip Andrew Sullivan or something.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Its fun to watch grown people with minds and hearts of their own waste their very lives hating on a blogger.
Youre useless people. I hope your gods smile on simple minded stupity.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
And McVeigh? What kind o’ leftist was he?
June 17th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
I really don’t think Charles ‘cut’ the military, or any military vet.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Regardless if he claims to support our soldiers or not. Chuckles uses every opportunity a vet commits a crime to try and justify the absurd DHS report (can you say obsessed?).
He used the Holocaust shooting to also smear veterans (the guy was a WWII vet!)
He’s a self-absorbed has-been and needs to fade into oblivion.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Here come the “Lizards”!
You guys really, really, really need to get a life. Posting comments on LGF sadly doesn’t qualify.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
oh yeah, the kkk is totally a liberal organization.
some of you forget your meds today?
June 17th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
196 Charles Johnson 6/10/09 12:07:43 pm
The DHS report said a “small percentage” of veterans might be susceptible to extremism — well, here’s one
spacejesus,
That quote is from the Holocaust shooting tragedy. Does that sound like a guy who loves our vets? More like an opportunist.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
“oh yeah, the kkk is totally a liberal organization.”
You’re right….have you studied its’ history too?
Bonus questions:
Which political party started the KKK?
Which political party featured the KKK at its’ national convention?
Which political party currently has a former Exalted Cyclops of the KKK serving as a Senator?
(No fair Googling…Here’s a hint though…it’s not the Republican Party.)
June 17th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Anyone want to bet on 2000 hits today? The Lizards are out. Hell this post may set a new TAH record. I’m in the pool for 123 comments.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
What search engine/site do you use to get the police files? I wanna look myself up.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Charles Johnson is a face liar
He has turn into a radical leftist and is a boot licker of Obama.
He doesn’t even allow you to say Barrack Hussein Obama.
He’s is sick deranged man.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
[...] 17, 2009 by tele64 Possibly fourth and long for LGF? Via This Ain’t Hell (but you can see it from here) … It seems this Jason Eugene Bush isn’t a veteran of anything except the justice system. [...]
June 17th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
“oh yeah, the kkk is totally a liberal organization.
some of you forget your meds today?”
Space Jesus a LGF drone — he’s out to protect his savior and mentor from smear, not realizing that CJ smears Christians regularly with never a word of regret.
Hey Space Jesus, could it be that you’ve forgotten your meds?
June 17th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Aye:
Note, too, that the Democrats have Sen. Byrd in congress, former KKK member. They don’t call him ‘sheets’ Byrd for nothing.
Know of any former KKK Republicans serving in congress, SJ?
June 17th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
spacejesus & Thomas von der Trave hate to burst your bubbles, BUT if you do a bit of investigating, you’ll find much of the white supremacy crowd are heavy into socialism. Just do a bit of research on the American Front, Russian National Socialist party, etc
FYI, my politics are anything but republicrat or demican, so don’t accuse me of being a right winger.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Richard Romano,
Charles Johnson is a frustrated individual.
He has demons and it clearly shows in his actions.
he’s a sick man.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
WTF is a “face liar”. Moron. Get over your hatred. It leads to the dark side.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Obsessing over a blogger shows a sick mind. Find something useful to do.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
“I hope your gods smile on simple minded stupity”. Thanks Orange, because it’s obvious that your gods smile on your stupidity. Think spellcheck.
Hey, Thomas,
“right-wing extremists are really mislabeled leftists anyway”.
Think Manson,*cough*Oswald*cough*Byrd*cough* Manson hated white, rich people, a rightist? I doubt it, Oswald and Byrd, one visited the USSR, hardly a haven of right wingers, and Byrd? See post #22 above.
So, at least do a little web search before you show everyone you don’t know what you speak of.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Obsessing over a blogger shows a sick mind. Find something useful to do.
Hahah, you pathetic loon — did Charles open the cages to let you out? You drone, how sad that you come here to defend your master.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Friend of SpaceJesus,
You are one of his pathetic fans.
Get your own mind and observe what sick mind Charles has.
he is ill and needs help.
You by following this deranged man shows your lack of a reasoning mind.
You are a follower, nothing more.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Yo Lester:
“face liar” LOL
“He has turn into” – should be “turned” into.
“He doesn’t even allow you to say Barrack Hussein Obama.” Should be “Barack”
“He’s is sick deranged man” Should be “He is a”
Those minor quibbles aside, your post was nonsensical rubbish.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Johnson has posted an update saying that he made it clear none of Jason Bush’s claims of service had been confirmed. As you say Jason Bush may not even be a right wing extremist. Great post Johnson you useful idiot.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Disciple of SpaceJesus,
Did I hurt your master’s feelings?
If so go cry in the corner.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
I think Lester is projecting his illness onto others. He has anger that’s not really justified, much like the rest of these haters. So the man has an opinion that’s not in lockstep with yours. This justifies your hatred? That’s very unhealthy.
Do you treat other people in your real lives like this, or is it acceptable to have differences of opinion? I would not want to know these people in real life, because not agreeing with them completely would mean I’m worthy of the same sort of scorn. You must be very lonely, bitter people.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
“Disciple of SpaceJesus,
Did I hurt your master’s feelings?
If so go cry in the corner.”
On the contrary, you made me laugh. Go on, say something else.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Bottom line here folks: Charles made it clear in the original post that the ‘vet’ story was unconfirmed, therefore an apology is unwarranted.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Wow. Welcome to TrollVille.
It’s like Lidsville, only funnier and without Charles Nelson Reilly.
Wolf
June 17th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
UpNorth- two words: Timothy McVeigh.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
There have been and still are, dangerous freaks on both the extreme right and the extreme left. It is ludicrous to try to deny this fact.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Two more: Eric Rudolph
June 17th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Yep. Still waiting for the word on what kind of leftist ole Tim was. Must be you’re counting on Ann “Drag Queen Impersonating a Vampire” Coulter to lend you a snappy answer.
And waiting.
And…
June 17th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Ummm…….
Lessee here. Timmy McVeigh.. Okay, I’ll see your Timmy McVeigh and raise you a Bill Ayers and a Louis Farakhan. Heck, I’ll throw in a “World Can’t Wait”, 2 Code Pinks and a Michael Moore if you can guess the correct A.N.S.W.E.R.
I swear to God. Everytime the right breeds a whack job, it’s like the left has to breed eleventy-seven more just to assuage their beta male/female/transgender consciences.
At least with their support of abortions, and the right’s support of families, the left will run out of voters eventually. So we got that working for us…….
June 17th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Oh, Thomas..
BTW, if i don’t get back to you right away, it’s because I have real work to do. I check in when I can, but I don’t have the luxury of trolling the intertubes all day like a good little lizard/troll.
Respects,
June 17th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
This isn’t a pissing match, AW1 Tim. No one is denying left-wing extremists, but we’re seeing plenty who want to deny there is such a thing as right-wing extremism.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Anyone who lived through that shitstorm from the left during the Vietnam War can be allowed a bit of prickliness about being a vet.
Seeing the pride our current vets manifest tells me that prickliness hasn’t disppeared. Damn good thing.
Keep up the good work, Mr. Lilyea, and THANK YOU from this vet.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Go on, people. In your opinion, who is a right-wing extremist? Just one name will do. If you’re drawing a blank, you might not be intellectually honest.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
AW1 Tim – we could be here all night playing this game, especially if you are going to include moonbats of the order of Michael Moore and Code Pink. Let’s see….oh yes, Pat Buchanan, The America First Party, The American Nazi Party, Anne Coulter…the list goes on, as you must know.
Why not just accept the fact that there are extremists on both sides of the political divide, and that some of them are not just away with the fairies, but are actually dangerous as well.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
I think you should read this, John.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/634/7325426
June 17th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Ask and you shall receive, you cultish LGF fools.
Timothy McVeigh was not a ‘Christian’ terrorist
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200205/ai_n9113667/?tag=content;col1
He “believed in science.”
June 17th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Some Christians vote for democrats. So thinking the title of “Darwinist” protects McVeigh from being right-wing is laughable.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Denial sure runs deep here.
You’ll be telling us Hitler was a lefty next.(Not even joking, sadly).
June 17th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Who said anything about Timmy being a Christian?
And does “believing in science” mark you as a leftist? Geez, the GOP is in trouble if that’s the case. Oh wait, I forgot…the GOP is fast disappearing up its own elephantine asshole.
Timothy McVeigh was an American right-wing terrorist, born and bred. And there are more like him hiding in the cornfields. And some of them – gasp! – may turn out to be vets.
If a simple statement of fact like that makes one “anti-military” in your minds, you might want to sign up for a course in elementary logic at the nearest community college. If they’re offering that kind of leftist twaddle these days. Otherwise a group focussed on remedial reading might do the trick.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
The LGF reference to Bush’s alleged military resume can be seen as drawing a relationship between extremism and military service.
This is NOT my impression.
LGF has been historically an ardent supporter of the military and I believe that to be true today as well.
Many people would not have recognized the imposter/poser/PX ranger at face value. It is unfortunate that the reference was cited, but the linkage is there albeit unintended as an offense to soldiers. The theme was an extremist linkage which sadly was tied to false military service.
Your investigation is wothy in protecting people from attributing military service to an imposter.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Yeah, well I suppose that anyone who would consider Hitler as right wing, would also toss McVeigh in the same category. Let’s see Stalin was an “International Socialist” and Hitler was a “National Socialist,” I’ll give you 4 degrees of separation between the ideologies. Hardly left wing vs right wing.
Here is a link to the shortest and most concise description of the American form of government I’ve seen in 45+ years of studying history.
http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/
June 18th, 2009 at 4:22 am
Not only wasn’t Bush a veteran, but he wasn’t a “minuteman” either. Just a plain old criminal. His accomplice, Shawna Forde, was kicked out of the legitimate MCDC minuteman organization years earlier. By reading the news stories, it sounds like shes also a con-woman that talked so much crap that even her own family didn’t take her seriously. The only minuteman group that would have her was Jim Gilchrist’s Minuteman Project. Jim Gilchrist has been sued for fraud and ostracized from other groups as well. We have a handful of criminals that found each other and some are trying to paint everyone that is against illegal immigration as a violent right wing extremist. Very unfortunate.
Here’s a good article on Bush.
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090617/NEWS01/706179571#Records.show.suspect.in.Arizona.Washington.murders.not.who.he.claimed.to.be
June 18th, 2009 at 7:02 am
SpaceJesus. This is not about the topic at hand yet it is about a slimy piece of crap (you) who made the post not long ago about ” the usefullness of Southerners ” I am sure a lot of the green morons are somehow connected to the south of which you must not KNOW one thing about. Yet they said nothing. So I will say something…to you…
STFU you ignorant ass kissing sob. Only say things behind your computer that you would say face to face with someone. And I know you wouldn’t ….you are just an all around worthless piece of crap.
June 18th, 2009 at 7:04 am
One more thing..I never once heard Tim McVeigh shout “In the name of Jesus!” Is that all you whiners got? Tim McVeigh? You have worn out his name and totally wrong.
June 18th, 2009 at 7:09 am
You know, I am starting to see a pattern here. It looks like there are as many phony soldiers on the extreme right as there are on the extreme left. Although, lets face it, the “extreme right” seems to be more Ron Paul libertarian than conservative. Even the simplistic Nolan Chart describes libertarians as being neither right nor left.
June 18th, 2009 at 7:17 am
“Timothy McVeigh was an American right-wing terrorist, born and bred. And there are more like him hiding in the cornfields. And some of them – gasp! – may turn out to be vets.”
Timothy Mc$hithead pretty much destroyed the Walter Mitty Militia movement in the 1990s. Yes,every now and then, some chowderhead with a legitimate DD-214 is going to do something criminally retarded, there isn’t a U.S. veterans Al Quaida wing hiding in the cornfields. Just curious, do you live anywhere near any cornfields?
June 18th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Bill Ayers was an American left-wing terrorist, born and bred. And there are more like him hiding in the inner-cities. And some of them – gasp! – may turn out to be friends of Prezbo.
Fixed it for you…no need to thank me…I do it because I care.
June 18th, 2009 at 7:46 am
“Although, lets face it, the “extreme right” seems to be more Ron Paul libertarian than conservative.”
Anyone who initiates aggression, ie. commits a terrorist act has jumped off the libertarian bus. One of the tenants of Libertarianism is the non-aggression principle, which states that it is immoral to initiate force against another person.
June 18th, 2009 at 7:58 am
Why are you worried about what the Ponytailed Ukulele player says about anything. Why should a dope smoking wannabe geek that is suffering from paranoia concern practical people?
His whack job lemmings are proof that he deserves as much credibility as Jim Jones.
Now drink some more Koolaid liztards.
June 18th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Friend of Space Jesus, two words. So what…. As has been explained, over and over, McVeigh didn’t learn anything in the Army that facilitated what he did. He learned that on the net. Last I checked the Army, or any of the services doesn’t make a habit of cooking explosives out of fertilizer and fuel oil. Troll.
June 18th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Charles and I had a nice email exchange before he wrote that post about us last night. I concede that he’s always been a big supporter of the military, until the DHS report came out.
As it’s been pointed out in the comments by some of my regulars, veterans are a touchy bunch because of the way we’ve been treated since Vietnam. If you were a veteran and lived with the Hollywood stereotype for the last few decades, you’d understand why I reacted as I have in this discussion.
I still don’t know why Charles would highlight the quote about JE Bush’s military service, despite his disclaimer, unless it was to seek validation for Charles’ repudiation of veterans’ claims against the DHS report.
To the Lizards; Calling us whiners doesn’t endear you to us, by the way. In fact, I took down links to LGF on this blog after reading Kilgore Trout’s comment about us being whiners in the initial DHS report thread. I’m sure I didn’t put a dent LGF’s traffic by doing that, but that’s how I roll.
Charles got me a lot of recognition when I first started blogging and I’ll always be grateful for that (in fact, he was the first blog to link to me) – but I don’t have to slavishly adhere to every thought and opinion of Charles Johnson because of it. I’m sure Charles would agree. Especially when the discussion is about the things that fall within the realm of my expertise.
June 18th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Hey COB6, I got my number down as 1157 posts.
I used to read LGF a lot, and this site, and Slate, and many others. I try to get as many viewpoints as I can on any subject. I sorta’ quit going to LGF when he got mired in the evolution back and forth. I still look at it once a day as I do for many liberal and consertative news sources. Sometimes I agree with LGF, sometimes I don’t. Opinions are like, well, you know the rest.
If you only look at one side, it’s all you’ll ever see.
June 18th, 2009 at 8:29 am
G-d bless you John for refusing to put up with Johnson, his ever dwindling band of f*cktards, and their tired old bully tactics. Scary how cult like his few remaining worshippers are.
But you know what’s even better? Other than the various incarnations of “space Jesus”, they refuse to come over here or to other sites and debate, preferring to stay over there, stroke the 2009 incarnation of John Cole of Balloon Juice and beg him not to reveal their private information.
June 18th, 2009 at 8:39 am
One reason some folk from LGF no longer go out and debate is simple, Eddiebear. When they do, they get crap like this:
“Richard Romano,
Charles Johnson is a frustrated individual.
He has demons and it clearly shows in his actions.
he’s a sick man.”
from people like lester, get called ‘drones’, and are told to ‘run back to their pathetic master’ instead of anyone actually debating with them.
And you wonder why none of them are interested in having an honest debate with you after you call them all ‘fucktards’.
June 18th, 2009 at 8:47 am
You sure opened up a can of lizzards with that post, Jon, and they’re crawling out of the woodwork on their bellies.
June 18th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Lizards, not lizzards.
June 18th, 2009 at 9:07 am
72: so you are defending him and his sycophants?
June 18th, 2009 at 9:12 am
69: but he wants everybody who he allows on his site (I know, his shite, his rules, yada yada, yada) to slavishly adhere to what he says.
Besides, who cares what he says to say anymore? The left doesn’t want him, and he is doing his best to alienate the right.
June 18th, 2009 at 9:14 am
72: I should amend one thing. Not all of the ones who haven’t been purged are bad. But I don’t want to get them in trouble by naming them. I’ll leave the “outing” to Charles and his cult followers.
June 18th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Just went over to LGF and read his post. Charles was straightforward and honest in his statements. LGF was the first blog I ever signed up to post on and one of the first that I thought was influential enough to have an impact. I did kinda quit following LGF when the evolution thing took off. I came to TAH from there. I have a lot of respect for LGF but it went in a direction that I could not follow. I am a vet (retired). I like discourse and discussion no bullshit. When posting dissolves into namecalling and rants, it is useless. Lets get back on track. I really appreciate Jonn and TSO for the good they have done with outing phoney vets and their far reaching commentary.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:06 am
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090618/NEWS01/706189914&news01ad=1#Murder.suspect.not.the.military.veteran.he.claims.to.be
The latest on Jason Eugene Bush.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:12 am
OK, OK, I give up – Yes, I am schizophrenic, yes I have signed on under several names to seem like I’m more than just a single 40 year old unemployed guy living in Mom’s basement, and yes, I did run out of meds ( crack, actually) because Mom’s started keeping her purse locked in a drawer so my discretionary funds are cut off.
And of course I hate the military, especially since that fat, nasty sergeant slapped me around for trying to make dates with some of those really good looking guys out in the courtyard doing PT. I blame Bush! But now that Mister Obama is all powerful he is going to stick it to all of you people, and he promises free dougnuts, I-Pods and custom fitted dildoes for all of us who supported him. So there!
June 18th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Jonn, I think expressed my sentiments in regards to this whole issue. I had to live through the Cold War era when everybody’s idea of a veteran or service member for that matter, was shaped by Rambo and Apocalypse Now and The Deer Hunter.
I was serving with a lot of these Vietnam veterans at the beginning of my career and those stereotypes couldn’t have been any further from the truth then comparing Sponge Bob Square Pants to Jacques Cousteau.
I continue to grow tired of Timothy McVeigh being thrown in my face. Nothing he learned in the military was related to what he thought or the terrible acts he carried out. It is the same as painting everybody who works for IBM as a pedophile because one of their employees is a child molester.
It does hit a sore spot for many of us veterans, even when you insert a statement such as Charles did about none of the allegations of service can be proven, because the effect is that it puts the thought into the mind of the reader.
There have been enough good people smeared by this type of disclaimer. I am sure I can get a rise out of folks by saying something like “even though Barack Obama’s father was prolific bigamist there is no indication that Barack has engaged in such activities.”
June 18th, 2009 at 10:20 am
I can has free iPod?
June 18th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Claymore – Yes, in this big new world of all loving kum-bah-yah oneness, you can has free iPod and can has cheeseburger.
And special pack condoms with Jane Fonda likeness imprint!
June 18th, 2009 at 11:44 am
lol at all the fake spacejesus’s posting here. I guess you guys are in love with me.
don’t worry there is plenty of spacejesus to go around
June 18th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Good day everyone. I am new to this blog and after linking to it through LGF my thoughts were to join and become a part of it. I joined LGF in the fall of 2004 before the elections and have been a daily reader of the blog. I along with others in this thread do not agree totally with Charles handling of some members on different threads notably ones involving creation and the DHS report. LGF is in my blood and my respect for Charles is high even though we do not agree on many things he pursues a lot of stories which do not come available to news networks often for days. Charles did back pedal on the accusations of vets being described in the DHS report which was highly offensive to me but he should not be denigrated for his beliefs. There are many in LGF who live for the karma stats unfortunately this inhibits good debates on the forum. So please give me time to fit in. I’m not afraid to speak my mind and this looks like a great community.
Jonn wrote: Welcome, Scorch. You don’t need time to fit in – you’re here. Our readers run the length of the spectrum as you’ll learn. I’ve banned very few people here, well, recently. We have folks who think they’re Libertarians all the way left to IVAW members although the bulk are in between.
June 18th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Charm
“SpaceJesus. This is not about the topic at hand yet it is about a slimy piece of crap (you) who made the post not long ago about ” the usefullness of Southerners ” I am sure a lot of the green morons are somehow connected to the south of which you must not KNOW one thing about. Yet they said nothing. So I will say something…to you…
STFU you ignorant ass kissing sob. Only say things behind your computer that you would say face to face with someone. And I know you wouldn’t ….you are just an all around worthless piece of crap.”
what? the south? I wasn’t aware we were discussing the south here, but ok. while on the subject…It’s true! I do have an honest to goodness dream to see the American south either paved over to create a giant wafflehouse parking lot or to have it sold to cuba or china for 4 dollars.
June 18th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Back when he was readable, Johnson’s bread and butter was to highlight how terror suspects had certain demographic commonalities (such as their religion, nationality, etc) when the MSM took so much effort to pretend that it was just unimportant.
Now he’s highlighting the “veteran” demographics of wack jobs, and we’re supposed to pretend that he’s not pushing an agenda or trying to prove something?
He might back pedal and note how the vet status is unproven, but it still says volumes that he’s highlighting it.
June 18th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
pmm here’s the consistency you fail you to see.
charles highlighted the islamic side of terrorism in order to be honest, because the media was actively ignoring and avoiding it. charles never implied that all muslims were terrorists. ever. just because charles “highlights” something, does not mean he’s painting with as big of a brush as you think he is.
the same exact thing goes for right-wing or veteran kookoos. just because charles highlights that these things occur, does not mean he’s categorizing everyone who is republican or a veteran as an extremist.
just because you’re a probably a bigot and jumped to the conclusion that charles was attacking islam as a whole, does not mean your crazy logic applies here, or to anything for that matter.
June 18th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Sometimes people WANT to be offended. That seems to be the case here, and there’s really nothing more to say about it. Enjoy your grievance, people.
June 18th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
I’m still waiting for my free fucking iPod you shitbirds promised…
June 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
#88,
I’m sorry if my “crazy logic” frightened and confused you. I don’t have your ability to create fortresses of deductive reasoning through the use of words like “bigot”.
Let me try to blow your mind with this particularly challenging brain teaser–it won’t take long, you can go back to writing slash fiction about your favored bloggers after this, I promise:
The DHS report lists veterans as particularly susceptible to extremist recruiting by nature of being veterans.
Johnson, in a series of posts explicitly attempting to validate the DHS report, cites the ‘veteran’ status of a felon as being germane to the discussion.
(You’re a fan of ‘consistency’, you should appreciate this. Johnson highlighted a demographic detail that he thought advanced his preferred narrative–just like when he does it to the members of terrorist organizations and other extremist movements he opposes!)
That the felon is not a veteran invalidates the point Johnson was making by highlighting that passage.
Conclusion: Johnson needs to tighten up his reporting if he’s going to try to prove that the DHS report was valid, particularly when it comes to the report’s assertions about veterans.
His later insistence that he wasn’t trying to smear “all veterans” is moot, since the problem is that he’s trying to validate a report that DOES smear “all veterans” for being veterans.
Thanks for your time, SJ, you can now go back to writing that great fan fic where LGF meets the cast of “Firefly”, and the sparks fly…
June 18th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
89:
huh?
June 18th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Great job, Jonn. From your biggest fan in Latvia.
June 18th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
pmm, im taking time out of my busy schedule drawing pictures of you and a cat sailor making out in times square at the conclusion of ww2 (for my deviant art account) to bring you this lovely dose of reality. you better appreciate it.
#91
“His later insistence that he wasn’t trying to smear “all veterans” is moot, since the problem is that he’s trying to validate a report that DOES smear “all veterans” for being veterans.”
the DHS report does not smear all veterans, perhaps you should read it. the report simply states that radical right wing groups will TRY to recruit veterans in order to get access to military training. if the report said that it was worried that tons of veterans would be lining up to join groups like the minutemen, then I would agree with you, but it doesn’t.
here’s a nice quote from the report:
“The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from
the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.”
so explain to me again how “a small percentage” translates into “all veterans” for you again?
I hereby declare myself the winner of this argument.
p.s. is it ok if i draw fox ears on you for my cartoon? or are you more of a wolf? rraarrrrr
June 18th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Like Joe Biden declared himself the winner of his debate? Wow, you’re the man!!! Ok, sarcasm off. So, SJ how do you sort out the vets who joined, were disgruntled, disillusioned? Just curious, as you seem to have all of the answers.
June 18th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Spacejesus how long did you have to live to get so stupid and such a spineless coward. Check the numbers for military from the south you stupid pig., What have you done? You insult the south and I will come after you little fat boy.
Still running for some kind of office are you? Might as well hang it up.
June 18th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
It translates into all veterans because all veterans relatively share the same experiences. Certainly your military experience may vary and some veterans do become disgruntled or disillusioned, but not to the point that they become right wing extremists.
As I ended the comment thread on LGF, veterans who are “disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from
the psychological effects of war” do not become Nazis, they become Senators from Massachusetts. The only extremist groups they join are IVAW and the Democratic party.
and you can yiff in Hell furfag!
June 18th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Who ever thinks that a dude who calls himself “gunny” would be an Army vet?
June 18th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Claymore – I personally sent your iPod AND chizzburgah to that Mexican guy, “space haysoos”, to drop off with you. Maybe he hasn’t found your spider hole yet?
June 18th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
I don’t read LGF and haven’t for some time.
I made it 100!
June 18th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
John,
I can’t remember every disagreeing with you but I must take you to task about Charles Johnson and LGF ever supporting the troops. I would say that over the past five years you could count the supportive and actual troop related blogposts at Little Green Footballs on one hand.
And considering that this supposed “conservative” now has thrown every conservative under his bus and has blatantly blessed the anointing of socialism in America, I would say any conversations you had with him were suspect.
Believe me, Johnson will drag any troop down if it furthers his agenda to fight the horrid “right wing extremists.”
And the fact that Johnson’s own personal “Space Jesus” minion was sent here to hijack your comment thread should be proof that he’s no longer your pal, John. Just my opinion.
June 18th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Claymore – I personally sent your iPod AND chizzburgah to that Mexican guy, “space haysoos”, to drop off with you. Maybe he hasn’t found your spider hole yet?
Unacceptable. I demand reparations. And a shrubbery.
June 18th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
“Spacejesus how long did you have to live to get so stupid and such a spineless coward. Check the numbers for military from the south you stupid pig., What have you done? You insult the south and I will come after you little fat boy.
Still running for some kind of office are you? Might as well hang it up.”
Interesting comment from someone who is presumably trying to make the case that there are no right wing extremists with violent tendencies. Sad that a few folk making some clarifications and pointing out a few facts should elicit such rank apoplexy.
June 18th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
“I can’t remember every disagreeing with you but I must take you to task about Charles Johnson and LGF ever supporting the troops. I would say that over the past five years you could count the supportive and actual troop related blogposts at Little Green Footballs on one hand.”
When you have to lie as blatantly as this, it’s a sign that you are in the wrong. There is absolutely no shortage of threads on LGF that support the troops I would hope that John would agree that this is a ridiculous and despicable falsehood.
“And the fact that Johnson’s own personal “Space Jesus” minion was sent here”
“Sent”? What is that supposed to mean? Do you really expect anyone to believe that Charles issued some sort of command:”SpaceJesus – go forth and do my bidding”? How silly of you.
“to hijack your comment thread”
This is just whining. Perhaps you feel entitled to not see your views challenged? Tough cheese, bud.
June 18th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
I’ve said it before on my own blog, and I’ll say it here, Charles Johnson is willing to cling to any story about so-called right-wing extremists in order to attempt to validate his earlier stances on the infamous DHS report.
The man is wrong, pure and simple, and is blinded by his apparent quest to find fascists, regardless if they’re real or imagined. His supporters, by their comments in this thread and at LGF, have proven their own willing blindness.
June 18th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
@95
easy, we look for individuals who are being recruited by right-wing radical groups or individuals these groups are targetting, and do a background check to see if they’re military or not. if it turns out one particular crazy group is getting its hands on vets, we then pay special to that group.
June 18th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
charm,
why are you threatening me? thank you proving my point about violent conservative extremists.
June 18th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Poor little Spacejesus…there is space all right and it’s between your ears. Threaten you? I wouldn’t waste my time. It is very plain you are a wimpy little coward and sub man.Only sub men would kiss the boots of another man as you do.
June 18th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Jimmah : Aka Disciple of SpaceJesus do you two come as a pair?
I don’t mind though because I voted for gay marriage.
June 18th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Wow I must admit my astonishment by the comments posted in the LGF thread on this subject. Some in LGF which are also posting in this thread in TAH under different names are attacking me at this moment. My username in LGF is the same as in here and I will tell anyone I never back down from an accusation made against me or misleading comments made by some who have drifted over here from LGF to disrupt your forum. All I can say is my aversion to what has happened in LGF over the last few months has doubled this day. Charles himself is also dancing around trying to misrepresent my statements. Very sad day.
June 18th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
#85 Scorch
It was nice to read your post.
I followed LGF and still do, but could not understand the “ding” concept which led to “groupthink” and suppressed dissenting opinion.
It is not where LGF was in the early period after 9/11. I too signed up around the 2004 election after desiring to participate albeit when the topic was germane to my interests. In the period around the last election something changed and it became more of a social chat site with newer members. The older members are still, for the most part, a stimulating read. The creationist angle was one topic which I never cared to be involved, but became a recurring theme. I remarked on the change and was blocked. It was a knowing test of toleration and I lost.
I enjoyed being able to participate, but I am not comfortable with the intolerance from some and the overprotection. Deletions while necessary can be a form of the censorship if not judicious.
I respect LGF and feel as though our interests have diverged.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:42 am
Scorch Says:
June 18th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
As soon as I read your very first non-judgemental comment about LGF, I said to myself, “self, he’s asking for a banning.”
That’s what they do, that’s how they roll.
June 19th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Still no iPod. I blame Bush and his cadre of extremist veterans who are clearly intercepting these tokens of goodwill in an attempt to inflame hatred and incite violence. Shameful. I hope Chuck and his cult get on this travesty and expose it for what it is!
June 19th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Chuckles has fallen off the bike one too many times, and lately it seems he is riding without a helmet. The thread re: morning prayers and the beauty of it shows that he is so far to the left, and his blog is now nothing better than to look at and laugh at for it’s absurdity.
I no longer have a tingle up my leg for LGF, LOL///////
June 19th, 2009 at 11:34 am
I used to really like LGF, he provided a great service. But the whole “I hate Christians and right wingers” thing got out of hand.
(unfortunately necessary disclaimer) I’m not a believer in any god.
Now, I’m done. At first it was easy to scroll past his “bash Christians and right wingers” threads, now? He only has the occasional post that’s not bashing right wingers and them thar Xtianists.
Charles needed to admit he was wrong on this, but didn’t. His response to this post is that you obviously didn’t understand what he wrote.
Eh, that’s how the blogosphere works, sites go up and down, get better and worse. Bloggers get big heads and stop allowing dissent and get angry when they’re challenged. It’s a living entity with plenty of mouths but few brains.
Eh, I can just go to the Jawa Report for my anti-jihadi needs that LGF used to fill.
Oh well, another bookmark lost. If I want to be bashed, I’ll go home and see the family.
June 26th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Anyone who enjoyed LGF in 2004, back when it was still the site that Fact Checked Your Ass, before it went to hell in a handbasket and Nancy returned to a pre-9/11 illiberalism, is welcome to visit about a hundred former regulars of that blog-era at grouchyconservativepundits dot com
The former GulfCoastPundits.
Our new site is up and running and our regsitration greeting makes it pretty clear who we are and remain.
Former LGF trolls and adversaries are specifically invited to go screw themselves. You won’t be welcomed there.
March 19th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
+3:)