OMFG, find me this video
November 5th, 2009
CNN, Larry King (barely a)live. Shoshanna Johnson (former POW), Dr Phil, and some JAG officer that I would pronounce my gayness for if I knew who he was.
Paraphrasing here, but the JAG said: As I sit here listening to all this psycho-babble crap, with you guys talking about PTSD nonstop, how come not once have you guys hit on this guys last name being “Hasan” and discuss Islamofacism.
Phil and Shoshanna lose their minds, accuse him of racism, general mayhem, etc.
Best TV moment I ever witnessed.
I have it on DVR, but not sure how to actually save it.
From my Battle Buddy, Southern Dem/WVbyGod, and a host of other names:
“Occam’s Razor.”
November 5th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Post the YouTube link when it comes up. I’d love to see that.
November 5th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Well, it’s standard fare for the creampuffs t start crying “racist!!” as soon as anyone tries to burst their little bubble of delusion and try to brring them back to reality.
Little known feeder across the bottom of the screen on FOX is that the FBI has been watching some disturbing things this assmunch said in the past couple of months on the internet.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
Larry King needs to just STFU.
November 5th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Well color me politically correct…these liberals will sell us all out for any reason or NO reason…a**holes…
November 5th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
It’s okay to malign vets with PTSD… god forbid we malign a fucking haji. Yeah, I said it, a HAJI.
November 5th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Sniper!!! You racist bastard!!!!
Ok, not so much, but I thought I would beat the creampuffs to the draw.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
I am like,you know,like, SO offended ,you white boy,you…like, you know what I mean,like…
November 5th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
TSO:
Send me an email w/ phone number and I’ll tell you how to get the video off the TIVO. COB6 is a reference…
Snowman
November 5th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
If what is said about the FBI being aware of this guy is true, then this marks the 2nd time they have DROPPED THE BLANKIN’ BALL on wanna be jihadi’s making threats who have gone on to kill our soldiers. I’m sure there are dedicated FBI agents out there but that org.’s “relationship” with CAIR is at the root of these murders.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
OMG! Please, please, please send the footage to YouTube! I nearly choked on my dinner while watching Dr Phil, the POW, and the Army JAG guy go at it. Unbelieveable!
November 5th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Now, now Sniper and Old Trooper, you don’t want iSucked to come back and dazzle you with his brilliance now do you????
November 5th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
I’ll be honest, my first reaction was terrorism, especially when the early reports stated that there were two other suspects in custody. After those two guys got released and we got real information about Hasan’s history, which was around 6:30 when my class started this evening, there was no reason to believe that was a plausible explanation.
To show up after 9:00 pm on Larry King Live and cry that it could have been terrorism because his last name is Hasan is just plain ignorant. Even if the JAG officer is not a racist, he’s a fucking moron. Someone presumably trained in law should understand that you’re supposed to follow evidence, not make wild inferences based off a surname. I hope this assclown never gets a job as a prosecutor, as his conviction rate would be disgusting.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
That last Anonymous post was from me. I forgot that I deleted all my cookies the other day.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
He was making the point that CNN for 5 hours had been basically pulling out of their ass that this was caused by a GWOT vet with PTSD. He pointed out a more obvious cause would be islamofacism since all the evidence supported that premise, and not the PTSD one.
Now, his comments might not have been advisable, but he’s the only one I have seen on tonight that wasn’t completely full of shit. It should be noted that WaPo is stating that Hasan was a “Devout Muslim” that per his imam. We know from the record he never served in GWOT.
So, given that, which do you think is a more likely explanation? Islamofacism, or PTSD?
November 5th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Hasan’s own ORB that you posted lists him as a non-hispanic white man with no religious preference. Doesn’t that kinda negate the idea that this guy is an Islamo-fascist? Oh fuck, my bad you guys aren’t into rational thought on this blog are you?
November 5th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Per that noted right wing hack newspaper, the Washington Post:
Hasan attended the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring and was “very devout,” according to Faizul Khan, a former imam at the center. Khan said Hasan attended prayers at least once a day, seven days a week, often in his Army fatigues.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
ERBs/ORBs can have many errors. my ERB still had me listed as single for a year and a half after I got married.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Also, if you were a muslim, or some other disfavored religion (Mormon or some more obscure sect) would you list a religion on an ORB? I know I wouldn’t.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
i saw that live as well.
“I’m a PEE OH DOUBLE YOU!!!” in your thickest, african-american lady attitude you can muster up. don’t forget the side to side neck action.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
I’m still waiting for more info before I start dropping the “Haji” bomb, but it certainly is worth examining what kind of ties he had.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Agreed, this is still a very changing story.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
I mean if this was a Timothy McVeigh type nut, the left (and media) would be all over it. But this seems to be of the Islamic variety, so they will be more hesitant. I just hate the double standard. But as Chris Rock said, “Aren’t People Just Crazy, anymore”. There is way too much of these mass shootings in America. It’s all very sad.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
To show up after 9:00 pm on Larry King Live and cry that it could have been terrorism because his last name is Hasan is just plain ignorant.
You said so yourself….it COULD have been terrorism. While everybody else was pushing the vet with PTSD meme, he pointed out it COULD have been something else…..and your first thought was terrorism as well….does that make you ignorant? or a realist?
November 5th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
USMC Chris: Actually she is a former POW unless she thinks she is still being held captive. And does she think having been a POW gives her moral authority? (Haven’t seen the vid so I’m speculating blind here.)
November 5th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Hasan’s own ORB that you posted lists him as a non-hispanic white man with no religious preference. Doesn’t that kinda negate the idea that this guy is an Islamo-fascist? Oh fuck, my bad you guys aren’t into rational thought on this blog are you?
You do realize that Middle Eastern peoples are usually considered Caucasian on most government forms, right? I’m asking because I’m just kind of curious to know if you’re retarded or malicious.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Honestly, I didn’t quite grasp whatever point she was making. I’ve met her (she was at the Inaugural Ball that Obama wasn’t at) so I kind of like her and respect her service, but she didn’t seem to have ANY PROBLEM with them blaming PTSD, but then went ballistic when it was noted that a religious bint was a more likely cause. I couldn’t quite pin her down. But watching Dr Phil was worth it all.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Thisisdefinitelyhell: If you had been paying attention to news reports, you would have seen the interviews with his cousin and Iman saying he was a devout Muslim. (Say weren’t you posting on other threads here as Iservicepigpenis?)
November 5th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
CR: He didn’t cry terrorism. He simply was putting out another argument other than PTSD. That the FBI has been watching this dirtbag for a few months because of “disturbing” internet chatter he created means that it doesn’t necessarrily rule out anything. The gist i the dumbasses on LKL were target fixated on PTSD without concern for other motives.
The ignorance wasn’t by the JAG lawyer, but by the other guests. As a lawyer, don’t you also look at other possibilities? Let’s save the assclown remarks for those that are jumping on the PTSD bandwagon in reference to someone who hasn’t ever deployed.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
I’m simply astounded at the sheer number of people that coming screaming to the defense of the poor, misunderstood, and unfairly maligned Islamofacists (one day body count record:around 3,000, most recent one day body count:12) but they have no problem throwing vets on the fire despite a mind boggling amount of evidence that runs counter to that theory.
Implying Joe is shell shocked and capping his brothers? Cool.
Implying that a member of the religion of peace (you know, the same organization that brought you the USS Cole, the Khobar Towers, the Twin Towers, the Embassy bombings, beheadings, etc) had anything to do with this? Racist.
Classic douchebaggery.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
From those radical left-wingers at the Military Times and Fox News:
Hasan’s cousin told Fox News the major was harassed by military colleagues because of his “Middle Eastern ethnicity.
“He was dealing with some harassment from his military colleagues,” Nader Hasan told Fox News. “I don’t think he’s ever been disenchanted with the military,” he said. “It was the harassment.”
“He hired a military attorney to try to have the issue resolved, pay back the government, to get out of the military. He was at the end of trying everything,” Hasan said.
Islamo-facism if I ever saw it.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
The point she was making was in response to the JAG guy being an ignorant asshole. He was being snarky, like “I’ve been to Iraq. Have YOU been to Iraq?” And she pointed out, “Yes, I’ve been to Iraq, I was a POW and shot.” It was essentially a “Don’t try to dickswing here, boyo, I have this one.”
November 5th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
How exactly does a guy that has never deployed develop PTSD? Really waiting to hear the circumlocutions on THAT one.
This mutt should never have gotten in the service. But the services are being run like unions now, so this is what happens.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
You know judging from the comments on this posting, I think CRaissi is the only one here with a full set of teeth. Look out Craissi, they don’t like that common sense shit around here!
November 5th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
No offense to Shoshanna Johnson’s service, but when does getting shot and captured make you a valuable source of information on anything other than being shot and captured? I don’t really see how her getting shot and captured translates into an expert on the possible mindset of this guy, or his motives. Unless he had been shot and captured.
It’s like a military form of PhD syndrome (I have a specialized degree, thus making me an expert in all subjects). People need to learn to stay in their damn lanes.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:06 am
ThisIsDefinitelyHell
I don’t have a full set of teeth (well real ones anyway). But Ive actually been out in the world and done more then sit in front of a computer or play xbox in my moms basement.
Spade Agree
November 6th, 2009 at 12:06 am
So you guys are telling me that not one of you has the clip yet?!?! I will not be able to sleep tonight with anticipation of seeing this tomorrow.
In all seriousness, my prayers are with these families. What a horrific day, too bad the liberal media will blame Bush for this too. Time to start profiling these folks. That’s right, I said it…..
November 6th, 2009 at 12:16 am
Spade: I don’t know why her or the JAG guy were there, didn’t see the full context.
However, I do know that I remember hearing about secondary PTSD that children of people with PTSD and spouses and sometimes mental health providers develop. I don’t know too much about it, I just remember reading about it once in one of my books.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:23 am
You’re right about that. My grandfather was a Marine in 1950 and I still wake up in that damn Reservoir some nights.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:27 am
miles_282002:
Totally agree with your comment. I’ve also been waiting for the first comment by the media or the left that it’s Bush’s fault.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:35 am
Just the facts: http://waronterrornews.typepad.com/home/2009/11/ft-hood-shooting-known-facts.html
Hasan was a Shrink, a Major, and a lifelong Muslim. He had NEVER deployed and ALWAYS opposed the war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I don’t care if he was given wedgies and swirlies, he has no justification to murder. If he heard bad words he didn’t like, still no justification for what he did today.
Terrorism? Yes, the case that he committed an act of terrorism today can be made. He killed unarmed individuals for political motivations. That he acted alone does not diminish the case for or against it being terrorism. A lone suicide bomber, even that kills no one but himself, is still a terrorist.
PTSD? No, there is no justification to blame this on PTSD. He never left Walter Reed until he went to Ft Hood.
Here’s a question: Is he a member of the IVAW?
Another thing worth looking into: what Islamic Organizations did he affiliate with?
To those crying racism: religion is not a race. The reputation of Islam has not been marred by those that note his claim of religion enticed his actions. The reputation of Islam has been marred by MAJ Hasan, by Al-Qaeda, by the Taliban, by Hezbollah, and by Hamas.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:40 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ4lNxc4ahs
Enjoy, folks.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:44 am
That sort of misses the money shot unfortunately.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:50 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae8qYjrh_gw
Here we go, here’s a 9:26 one. It’s the full deal.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:55 am
Random Passerby…Here is thanking you to much for that…preciate it a bunch.
November 6th, 2009 at 1:17 am
TSO, your summation of his argument is basically thus, “His name is Hasan, why won’t you even talk about the possibility of Islamofascism?”
While I agree with you that there is a perverse predilection for the media to play the story of the mentally fucked, PTSD addled veteran, I cannot agree with the argument of the JAG officer, as summarized by you. “His name is Hasan, why not discuss terrorism?” I’m sorry, but that is perverse, racist logic.
Although I have seen an internet post allegedly made by Hasan regarding suicide attacks, that evidence was not introduced by the JAG officer. If he had said, “Look, this dude may have ties to Muslim extremists,” that would be one thing. Everyone’s reaction would be, “If that was, in fact, him, we should explore that possibility.” But, according to you, that isn’t what he said. He simply stated that the shooter’s surname is Hasan, and that, by itself, would imply the possibility of terrorism.
Yeah, religion isn’t a race. But if you look at a name like Hasan and assume he’s a Muslim, that is racism. Thankfully no one has looked at my last name, which is Persian, by the way, and drawn the same conclusion.
November 6th, 2009 at 1:51 am
What would Larry King and the other mindless pundits be saying if the shooter were a Texas Methodist named Billy Bob Dupree who drove a pick-up truck with an NRA sticker?
Yeah. Exactly. But it’s only racist when we look at Muslim motivations.
November 6th, 2009 at 2:22 am
Obviously if this Army Officer did not have access to a rifle then this would not have happened.
i suggest we take all firearms, bullets, vehicles and anything with sharp edges away from the military to stop this happening again.
And they should all wear reflective bands so that they can be seen and captured more easily by the Police who also won’t be armed, except for a grimace and a raised eyebrow.
November 6th, 2009 at 3:18 am
““He hired a military attorney to try to have the issue resolved, pay back the government, to get out of the military. He was at the end of trying everything,” Hasan said.”
ThisIsDefinitelyHell,
Does that give him some sort of justification to go on a shooting rampage though? It’s like when Columbine happened and everyone tried “comprehend” and “explain” why they did it instead of labeling them the little monsters that they were. And, yes, I still have a full set of teeth. With zingers like that, you could go on a comedy road show with Janeane Garofalo!
November 6th, 2009 at 3:44 am
CRaissi, to say that it’s racist to assume someone is of one ethnicity or religion based on their last name is ridiculous. Does the name Einstein conjure up the image of a Nigerian?
November 6th, 2009 at 4:06 am
Salute to the JAG for bringing that out in the open. Most liberal minds will bend over backwards to sweep such thoughts under the rug but myself, being the redneck I am and watching islamic terrorist acts since the 60’s came to the same conclusion. Had nothing to do with racism or religion but with experience of watching these types of atrocities for over 40 years. It’s a learning curve some just have not experienced enough I guess. Or maybe playing the political game is more important to them than our service personnel lives.
November 6th, 2009 at 4:24 am
“I just remember reading about it once in one of my books.”
Nuff said…
November 6th, 2009 at 7:18 am
Here is the link to the Larry King interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae8qYjrh_gw
November 6th, 2009 at 9:12 am
A white dude with ties to the white power movement did go on a shooting rampage a few months ago. I seem to recall a lot of people on this site rushing to dismiss the analysis that concluded he went on that rampage because he was a racist, right wing redneck. The facts of that situation were that a senile old man with a death wish, who happened to be a white supremacist, decided to try and go down guns blazing. A lot of people here resented the fact that people in the media were trying to push ownership of that attack onto the right wing broadly.
The same thing is happening here, but with a few modifications.
Athena, if only ethnicity were the only consideration, I would agree with you. What is going on here is different. Rather than stating, “Hasan is a name of Middle Eastern descent,” people said, “Hasan is a name of Middle Eastern descent, so we need to consider that he’s a terrorist.” You cannot pretend that those two exercises in reason are identical. One is a statement of fact, talking about family background. The other one inserts a tenuous presumption based off the name alone.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:30 am
[...] By the way, did anyone see Larry King, Dr. Phil and Shoshanna Johnson were supposedly defending this guy. [...]
November 6th, 2009 at 9:56 am
BTW, That POW was a COOK with the U.S. Army 507th Maintenance Company, 5/52 ADA BN, 11th ADA Brigade.
I thank her for her service, and would never trade places with her in a million years. She got shot in both ankles and was a POW for 22 days. Along with Jessica Lynch.
That she could speak to an officer of the US Military in such a fashion is horrible.
Her book comes out in February, so expect to hear more from her.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:50 am
here the link, that JAG officer is a poor excuse for a Soldier and his beliefs do not reflect the thoughts or ideas of every Soldier just the racist one….
SSG Diaz US Army
P.S, I just moved from Fort Hood
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/11/05/lkl.phil.hood.cnn
November 6th, 2009 at 11:14 am
CRaissi,
Take the arguement you just made;
“Hasan is a name of Middle Eastern descent,” people said, “Hasan is a name of Middle Eastern descent, so we need to consider that he’s a terrorist.”
Replace “Middle eastern descent” with “in the military”, and “he’s a terrorist” with “he’s got PTSD”.
I’ll even let you use your conclusion.
You cannot pretend that those two exercises in reason are identical. One is a statement of fact, talking about “family background”–”organizational member ship”. The other one inserts a tenuous presumption based off the “name” xx “membership” alone.
One is a PC approved the other isn’t
November 6th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Johan, I just pit up another post that basically said the same thing. Both of them are wrong, even though one does seem to be bearing out by the facts.
November 6th, 2009 at 11:20 am
I agree, they are both wrong, the last part was my cynical side showing.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
CRaissi,
I think that after 40+ years of hijackings, suicide bombs, car bombs and run-of-the-mill murders perpetrated by muslims (albeit a minority of their numbers worldwide) the JAG guy can be forgiven for his assumption, whicg, after all, has turned out to be true.
November 6th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
The FBI was ruling out terrorism within 2 hours. That is complete idiocy. Dr. Phil and Shoshanna were calling it PTSD 5 hrs after the fact, and 2 hrs after the world had learned MAJ Hasan had never been stationed anywhere else but Walter Reed, that is complete absurdity.
Again, this case looks much more like terrorism based on islamist ideology than it does other things. There is NO case for PTSD.
And there is certainly a connection to the Anti-War crowd, by ideology, even if not an organization. Will the IVAW now take credit for an anti-war idiot committing mass murder?
OR, do we look at the fact that he DOES claim to be Muslim and potentially an Islamist? BTW, his imam could not find him a wife because he wanted her to be hot behind the hibab, praying 5x a day.
(And no hibab’s aren’t common in the Nation of his parent’s origin: Jordan. And oh, btw, al-Zarqawi was Jordanian. And oh, btw, a Palestinian-Jordanian killed a bunch of Americans in the peace-keeping mission in the former Yugoslavia. And oh, btw, Jordan was very embarrassed by both.)
FACT: Hasan was a Muslim, Jordanian, anti-war in Iraq, anti-war in Afghanistan.
Possible: Hasan is an Islamist.
FACT: Hasan never deployed anywhere. He did NOT have PTSD due to military service.
Possible: He had PTSD from childhood sexual abuse.
FACT: If Hasan committed those acts due to islamist/political ideology, then he IS a terrorist.
What does that say about Jordanians? nothing. Overall the Jordanians are a modern society without great islamist/terrorist tendencies.
What does that say about Hasan? He likely fell under the influence of islamists, which portend to be “fundamentalists” but subvert their proclaimed religion.
What does it say about the anti-war movement? It ain’t so non-violent afterall.
What does it say about the Napolitano memo? It’s stupid. Islamists receive left wing coddling, not right wing support. Hassan did not shout “Long Live the Constitution”
So, choose your association: he was anti-war and Muslim. He did NOT have PTSD from multiple overseas deployments, not even from Japan and Germany. He does demonstrate some islamist tendencies: hijab clad wife, anti-war in Afghanistan, anti-war in Iraq. He did put his American citizenship second.
ANY person that blamed this on PTSD, jumped to conclusions.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:37 am
Sorry, but I’ll take the point of that JAG officer, with a year in Iraq (at a FOB), over the word of a cook with two months in-country (half of it as a POW) any day.
Shoshanna needs to STFU.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Hey, Shoshanna, sorry that you hate officers so much, but education, training, maturity,and experience do give you skillsets that can give somebody an advantage in dealing with stressors and the ability to develop better coping mechanisms.
As somebody who deals with my own PTSD and has worked closely with CW3 Dave Williams (POW SRO for the 1-227 AV/507 MT), your experiences do not give you a lock on either franchise.
November 7th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
CRaissi
“a tenuous presumption based off the name alone.”
LOGIC FAIL
Why were these people on Larry King Live talking about this guy again? Oh yeah he committed a terrorist act. That’s two things the presumption was being based on (at least). And if I remember correctly his religion and what he shouted were out there already so maybe four. I know of a couple of racist rednecks who’ve gone on a rampage lately and both were lefties like most white supremacists, so who are you talking about?
November 7th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
I found this blog today. WTF, over? I think this is from that jag-off above. You guys should look into this.
definitelyhell./com/
November 7th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Yeah, it looks like the handiwork of Jon DeWald who threatened TSO, Michelle Malkin, Chickenhawk Express and me nearly two years ago. He’s a little bit obsessed and probably upset that we haven’t written about him for nearly six months. Last I heard, he was trying to get a job at Fort Bragg, now his IP address originates in Savannah, GA. I stalk back.
Now he’ll probably show up here, deny that’s him and would we please not mention his name again.
November 7th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Well Jonn…we have someone so desparate to belong that they have to hijack my screen name…kindly fix that for me…thanks…the correct screen name should be ThisIsDefinitelyHell
November 7th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Yeah, I just noticed;
Definitely DeWald
November 7th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Thanks Jonn
November 7th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Man that douche needs help.
November 7th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
TSO…DeWald sounds like a low class drag queen…it is so sad what some folks will do for attention,weather it is positive or negative…this is what happens when the gene pool gets to shallow…
November 7th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
God, it’s like that guy is the fucking horror movie villain that keeps coming back for annoying sequel after annoying sequel.
November 7th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Check out these douchebags- http://www.revolutionmuslim.com/
November 7th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Thanks, AS. I was racking my brain for the similarity, it’s Michael Meyers, the hockey mask wearing killer. And, you’re right, annoying sequel after annoying sequel.
November 7th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Matt…yeah,religion of peace…WTF?
November 21st, 2009 at 5:12 pm
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