Michael Prysner; true communist hero
If you google his name, you’ll find hundreds of websites that call Mike Prysner a “true war hero“. Why? Well, because he opposes the war against terror, of course. The Left likes to see buffoons who wear their uniform at their protests. Prysner is more than willing to fill the boots for them. But, Prysner has other aspirations, too.
See, he’s already tried to use his anti-war and veteran credentials to run for political office in Florida in the “Party for Socialism and Liberation”.
He’s already joined and then left the IVAW because they weren’t radical enough for him. He co-formed March Forward, a veteran contingent of the Maoist ANSWER. Here’s a slickerized version of his testimony at Winter Soldier that he’s been sending out to the Leftists around the internet;
Prysner claims that he tried to be proud of his service, but that he’s ashamed. That’s funny, because I can hardly find a picture of him in which he’s not wearing some remnant of his uniform.
So what did this witness to war crimes and racism do in northern Iraq that made him such a hard-bitten anti-American? He was a ground surveillance radar guy. Here’s his records;
He served as a Imagery Ground Station (IGS) Operator and a Common Ground Station (CGS) Operator with the 10th Mountain Division. It seems to me that if he saw all of the bad things he described during his tour, and he’s wracked with such guilt, he’d report it. Even though, in my experience, he probably didn’t see much at all, since his job was to stare at screens. But, ya know, Iraq was a different war and maybe he did actually work outside the wire – but there’s no Combat Action Badge in his records which tells me he didn’t see much at all.
The only way he can become a hero is to be called one by people who have really, really low standards for heroes.
Just to show what type of Communism Socialism that Mike is supporting.
December 24th, 2009 at 10:23 am
This Turd was being Lauded on a British website, ARRSE as making good points. I useed the info here to give some balance to it.
December 24th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Well one thing that can be said in his favor was that he joined before 9/11 unlike some of the others that we have seen.
Also I do not see what makes him extraordinary.
December 24th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Check out this reprehensible speech by Prysner:
I’ve seen Prysner speak quite a few times, he’s a real piece of work. He’s become the darling of International ANSWER in Los Angeles. He even seems to have a small bunch of young, swooning, female groupies – mostly the daughters of the older Communists who attend every protest in LA.
A few weeks ago I filmed him (Prysner) get into a scuffle with a passer-by who was so offended by Prysner and his little group of ANSWER protesters that he started screaming at them, calling them “Traitors!” and yelling at Prysner, “You go live under the Taliban, see how you like!”. I keep meaning to post it but I’ve become very lazy keeping up my little website.
December 24th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
If you have any doubts about his Marxist sympathies, here’s a picture I snapped of Prysner this past October manning his booth in front of the Federal Building in Los Angeles:
December 24th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Is that the straight-armed salute the two asshats to Pysner’s right are giving? Just asking.
How come all of these guys who witnessed all of these “war crimes” and “atrocities” never reported them? That would seem to make them equally culpable, if anything really did happen. Must be the images on his ground surveillance radar was fuzzy those days.
December 24th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
“Party for Socialism and Liberation”. Heh, more like the Party for bureaucracy and micromanagement.
I wish for once these lobotomized commies would do a pinch of reading about the life of Karl never had a real job Marx…
December 24th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Maybe that’s who Carl Webb gets his life lessons from? Karl Marx?
Except, of course, that Marx was an absolute racist who would have sent Carl back to Africa. For a price.
December 25th, 2009 at 1:02 am
Sounds like Prysner joined the Army thinking it was just another government job…..
December 25th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Another example of PTSD (PowerPoint Traumatic Stress Disorder, in his case).
December 26th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Well, Jonn, the reason he’s always wearing remnants of his uniform while he’s dissing the military is so he can give cred to his commie screeds.
I’m still trying to find anything positive in the message of IVAW, or their works. Yeah, I know, he’s not a member of IVAW anymore, however, he was at one time and it shows which sort of person is drawn to IVAW to begin with.
December 26th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
From what son told me, everyone involved in something making them eligible for the CIB or CAB damn well wants it; the fact that he doesn’t have one would indeed indicate that he didn’t go out on patrols or doorknocking.
December 26th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
“a picture I snapped of Prysner this past October manning his booth in front of the Federal Building in Los Angeles”
Geezus, another Dou’Che admirer… I’d really like this toolbag to meet my Cuban Uncle & some of his pals in Miami.
December 27th, 2009 at 12:03 am
Did a lil research. This Prysner and crew are affiliated with The Progressives of California, leads right back to ANSWER, TIDES, yada in a round about way.
FOIA will be filed 12/28/09.
Junior? “toolbag” is too much of a compliment for this a$$hat.
December 27th, 2009 at 1:05 am
How does this moron square his “guilt” of arms with idolizing shitstains like Che?? It’s interesting that he conveniently forgets what Che and the Castro brothers did in Cuba, yet he bitches about us using arms?? I’m sure he would be all for taking up arms and killing to forward his ideology in the name of “progress” and “social justice”, huh?
He’s a dumbass, plain and simple. Looking to get his 10 minutes of fame. Although he has more credibility than Chiroux. I’m surprised he’s in LA, when he ran for office in Florida. Was he a carpetbagger, or something?
December 27th, 2009 at 4:18 am
His his “guilt” of arms is for fighting on the wrong side.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Carl, you still haven’t suck started that shotgun yet?
December 27th, 2009 at 9:10 am
He sucks other things
December 27th, 2009 at 9:10 am
He sucks other things
December 27th, 2009 at 9:39 am
I was waiting for you to stick your nose in this Carl, ya pussy. Why don’t you just turn your attention to begging someone to use their couch to sleep on since you’re too lazy and worthless to do anything else? As if you would have the intestinal fortitude to do anything, anyway.
I’m going to go easy on you, Carl, since I’m still in the afterglow of niceness after gettng to spend some time with my grandson, who at the age of 2 1/2, can probably score higher on the ASVAB than you did. If you need any help with your community college entrance exams, let me know and I’ll have him take them for you so you can get in. Mmmmmkay?
Remember to put your helmet on before you go out to the curb to wait for your shortbus to get there……safety first, Carl.
December 27th, 2009 at 11:49 am
“His his “guilt” of arms is for fighting on the wrong side.”
Thus spake the strategist-supremo of the American marxist underground, command specialist major Webb,slactivist-maximus, one who will leap off his borrowed couch space like a ferocious rabbit to slay the capitalist beast… And swamp the American working class with bureaucracy and micromanagement for their own good….
Actually, if komrade Webb decides to roll off his couch & become an active radical, I think the fry cook is gonna splatter himself all over some homemade bomb factory following the Weather underground nail bomb recipe…
December 27th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Anyone notice that all of “Freddy the Freeloader’s” posts are in the wee hours of the morning? I wonder if he’s doing a B&E on the local library in those wee hours or if he’s conned some one into letting him use their computer? And couch? He’s probably helping himself to their food, money and phone line too.
January 2nd, 2010 at 2:18 am
Hey OldTrooper,
I got a 130 GT score on the ASVAB for the army. 24 on the ACT. 1190 on the SAT.
January 2nd, 2010 at 6:26 am
And you have done what with it again?
January 2nd, 2010 at 10:11 am
Hey Carl,
That means you’re a highly educated fry cook/janitor who doesn’t have his own couch. Your point?
Oh, and I know I did better on all three of those test than you, but we pretty much already knew that.
January 2nd, 2010 at 11:14 am
LMAO Spork, great line. Apparently Webbie hasn’t done anything with it, other than hone his freeloading skills.
January 3rd, 2010 at 11:08 am
Nice to see the “afterglow of niceness” is running so strong in this forum.
I’m sad to say that I *have* seen such cowardly abuse directed at someone, merely because they hold a different point of view, before now, the internet is rife with it. Congratulations, you have successfully diverted attention from the actual content of Carl’s post with your denigrating tirade. Incidentally, a socialist viewpoint does not inherently demand one’s approval of everything every Socialist leader has ever done.
As for this “reprehensible” speech by Prysner:
How is it reprehensible Ringo the Gringo? Is it because he speaks a different truth to the one you know? The same corporations who control the media DO also profit from war. Whatever his motives, Prysner has rightly spoken out against a corrupt system that benefits the rich few at the expense of poor masses. It’s only because he’s a veteran that anyone listens; that, and the fact that his statements hold more force coming from a costume (uniform) you would expect to contain a different point of view, are the reasons he still wears it. I doubt many posters on this site gain any benefit from US aggression around the world, you’ve just bought the line the government has fed you.
January 3rd, 2010 at 11:30 am
Oh, I dunno, Pothers–maybe it’s that whole he’s a shitbag thing that kinda undermines his credibility with all but the most die-hard Koolaid drinkers such as yourself.
BTW–I hear North Korea is quite nice this time of year. Have you considered a visit?
January 3rd, 2010 at 12:50 pm
NHSparky I’m amazed you can ascertain enough about my views from my previous post to label me a Koolaid drinker. I suppose it’s in keeping with your general air of antipathy towards anyone expressing an opinion different to your own. You’ve really nailed that slag-someone-off-rather-than-tackle-their-argument approach.
I have to say I prefer Prysner’s speech here:
I know very little about Prysner, why do you consider him a shitbag? The things he says about the system, the real reasons for US wars, etc. are exactly correct, and however much of a “shitbag” he may be, I’m glad that these things are being voiced in a public forum.
The fact is that Capitalism is based on the conceit of infinite growth. Surely you must recognise that such a dynamic is unsustainable on a planet with finite resources?
As for your jibe about North Korea, I must say I’m not much of a Communist either, certainly not the sort of communism espoused by Kim Jong-il. Capitalism and communism are two sides of the same materialist coin, the former synthesises an impression of freedom and hypnotises us into submission with corporate advertising and media distractions, the latter bludgeons us into submission through persecution and negation of individual rights. Capitalism achieves its ends more effectively, people don’t generally utilise the power they have, but go through life asleep to the reality that in our trance-like state the freedoms we so value are gradually being taken away from us. Our pursuit of luxury blinds us to the wider ecological reality, just as that same pursuit blinded the Romans to their social reality and brought about their downfall.
I would prefer an alternative way of living that recognises our symbiotic relationship with nature, that does not take more than it needs, that puts spiritual development before material accumulation; because our current approach is flawed, it is absolutely unsustainable, and I have no doubt that it will fall, just like all previous civilisations that fell into involution.
January 4th, 2010 at 2:37 am
What exactly is wrong with being a communist or socialist?
January 4th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Pothers, I don’t know what to say. You are one of those guys I have ran into so many times in my life. You like to act like you are writing something profound or educational. If you are looking for a more symbiotic relationship with nature then why the fuck are you on a computer? Now granted I have anything against you being a hypocrite…it doubles your chances at being right. Just keep reading your Ted Kaczynski and living the fantasy of freezing your nuts off in the woods while trying to spin your own wool.
Anonymous, I’ll put it simply, they are both systems are based on envy. Anyone who is living better than you has to be made worse off so that anyone living worse than you can be made better. Sounds good on the surface, but it does not involve free will. Also, both systems stifle innovation by removing incentive. Both systems make laziness an incentive. So that is what is wrong with being a communist or socialist.
January 4th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Because if the people of IVAW tried to pull off the stunts they did in the Army in places like Russia they would have been shot or worse
Look up Order 227 “Not one step back”.
January 4th, 2010 at 11:33 am
Hello there IVAW Board member. Oops! I meant “Anonymous”. I don’t think there is anything wrong with being a socialist. If you want to peruse Socialism, by all means do. The problem I’ve had was with the ISO is them taking everything over to push those goals. They come in, take a group over, and run it right into the ground. Which is proof positive that they are not really interested in ending the wars, but expanding themselves.
Furthermore, if you say anything bad, no matter how truthful, you are made into a leper.
I laugh at both sides of the equation sometimes because they all want “truth”. Just don’t tell the truth about either side to said parties. The “right” and the “left” share that in common more than they care to admit.
January 4th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Anon: Nothing wrong with equally shared misery. If you want it, go to a communist country and have at it. I’m sure the Berlin Wall was put up to keep the West out; right?
Besides, it’s worked so well where ever it has been implemented, that’s why there are so many boats and stuff going towards Cuba; right? Also, that garden spot called North Korea is such a wonderful place that people are dying to get in; or is it out? I get confused about that one.
My favorite thing is those that espouse the virtues of communism, while living in the free capitalist world, having never spent anytime under the communist rule they want us all to be under. That’s the definition of a true hypocritical moron.
January 4th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
North Korea has made some very important discoveries. Did you know that eating grass was a part of a healthy diet? Neither did I untill Kim Jong Il said so. They are also some of the best photoshoppers in the world…Making everyone taller so they don’t feel bad standing next to Kim.
January 4th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Not to mention the Nork’s being world-class counterfeiters. But, in the last year, they’ve had to broaden their knowledge base, cuz somehow the dollar seems to be declining in value faster than a skydiver with a malfunction in both chutes.
And, Casey, you’ll stay in IVAW’s bad graces if you keep outing them when they show up.
January 5th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
@UpNorth – You have no idea how much sleep I loose over being banned for life months after I left. lol
January 5th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Casey, I know you lose a lot of sleep over it. Every time you call me crying in your hard cider that they kicked you out after you had left and that Matthis is a big poopey head. Plus, the fact that those models at the show kept asking you about the cute guy that goes by Old Trooper……..It’s ok, buddy, we’ll get through it.
January 5th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
That was you??? That creepy old guy staring at the models??? You know how hard it is to photographing women when I have somebody like you around? UGH!!!
The only time I call people crying is with laughter everytime one of them calls me a racist. I have slept with women of many different races. If that’s not tolerance then I don’t know what is. lol Oh, wait, because I have sex with Women I must be sexist. Geez, just can’t win with that crowd.
January 5th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Casey, they’re working on making your ban retroactive to 1991. But, they ran into a problem, no one can figure out how many years that is.
January 5th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Is it me…or does Prysner look like Major Frank Burns…just sayin
January 15th, 2010 at 2:48 am
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January 18th, 2010 at 5:06 am
You’re all so misinformed. Open your minds, take a look at what’s really going on…..Why do you insist on calling him a Communist when he clearly ran for a Socialist proponent? Let me guess, ‘It’s all the same bullsh*t?’. Don’t close your minds, truly think for yourself. If any shred of your conscience/soul/morality/free will remains, USE IT TO UNCOVER THE TRUTH, THINK FOR YOURSELF!
Or take the low road, dismiss this as your perceived notion of Commie, Leftist, Liberal what have you. Be Sheeple, BAAAAAAAAA!
January 19th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Seriously guys, do some reading, if you are not able to think outside of the framework of propaganda fed to you by Fox News and other corporate-controlled medias you will never be able to see the world from a different perspective. And there are many, and many are much more conducive to man’s well-being to fair societies to life that encompasses more than just work and accumulation of material goods. What you are being told is as distorted as the propaganda of communism that you so much despise. Spend some time actually thinking, go outside of your usual information sources – read the works of philosophers, thinkers, learn to be critical. Why do you assume that someone who criticized the system currently in the US is anti-American? Can’t you see the flaws, distortions and faults of corporate-run America? It’s not about bringing in Communism but about making changes to the system of running society so the system support the whole of society rather than just the elite few. THINK!!
January 19th, 2010 at 9:40 am
I have no idea why you commie fucksticks think that because we disagree with you, we don’t read. You know that’s the first thing out of the mouths of Ron Paulians, too.
Seems to me that socialists/communists want to change America – that’s anti-American right there. Don’t you see it? Are you really that fucking stupid?
January 19th, 2010 at 10:00 am
Oh, yes, let’s listen to psuedo-intellectual types. Yeah, I read a lot, but unfortunately for your sterotype, I don’t watch Fox News; sorry. I don’t need some college puke, who hasn’t lived in the real world, to come on here and tell me to think. I do think, plus I have life experience, which is something you haven’t gotten, yet, plus I have that little thing called history. Yeah, when you read, maybe you should pick up a history book now and again and put the Chomsky down for a while?
January 19th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Can’t you see the flaws, distortions and faults of corporate-run America? It’s not about bringing in Communism but about making changes to the system of running society so the system support the whole of society rather than just the elite few. THINK!!
What is it with throwing the word “corporate” in everything ye clear thinkers and disavowers of “stereotypes” Is corporate necesarily evil? I already know your answer, the question is rhetorical. I’m certainly not an elite but I believe the “system” supports me just fine.
January 19th, 2010 at 10:39 am
The money quote from the commie, “support the whole of society”. Will they ever get it that people need to support themselves first? Nope, they want the dregs to be supported, no matter what.
January 19th, 2010 at 11:18 am
Wow, I’m an “elite few”! Must be because I like work and stuff and provide for my family, allowing for a realatively high standard of living after 20 years of defending the rights of reprehensible dumbasses. Being an “elite few” is cool.
Why do the lefties always make the assumption that anyone who disagrees with them is some sort of trailer park denizen with the background of a frakking piece of cardboard. We read, we read quite a lot actually, but we still think your a dumbass. Funny how that freedom thing works. Your social justice is my gov’t oppression, your social fairness is my stagnation of the soul of this country. America was founded on the concept of individual freedom. The freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail. All that on your OWN. If we step away from that basic concept, then we kill what makes this country so incredible and distinct.
You will, I hope, understand why some of us might take great umbrage to you and what you espouse.You desire nothing less then the lobotimizing of the soul of this country. We, those who disagree with you, don’t like that idea.
January 19th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Why is it that people who puff themselves up with names like “shocked by the ignorance” display such one-dimensional mentalities? Are you really convinced that using “Fox News” and “corporate” as derisive, insulting words qualifies you as some kind of “intellectual?” So I assume that you’re some type of well-read, deep-thinking, highly educated individual? Well please, educate the ignorant.
Since you encourage us to read and think, do share with the unwashed here what books would enlighten us. Read philosophers? Okay, sounds good. Do you find Rousseau and his concept of the noble savage a more accurate world view than say Burke’s more conservative critique based on his observations of the French Revolution? Or do you find somewhat more radical critiques of the state that you find in the works of Lysander Spooner more akin to your views?
Please, Mr. educated, non-Fox watching intellectual, we need to know. I assume that you are midway through your first year of community college or so, thus making you a truly enlightened soul who was put on this earth to help bring the knuckle-dragging soldiers out of their ignorance. I’m on the edge of my seat shoving cheese doodles in the mouth I breathe out of waiting for my intellectual superior to take me school.
January 29th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
i just want to be part of the conversation.. you people are all so smart..
February 4th, 2010 at 2:19 am
Holy crap! People with an IQ less than 130 are a totally different species.
February 9th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Communism is supposedly based on envy and therefore bad. Capitalism is based on Greed, how is that better? Super rich CEO’s eliminate 100′s of jobs so they can afford their new jet. All of you crybaby Miami Cubans are welcome to do something about the current Castro regime the same way he did to the Batista regime. Or are you “Gusanos” too lazy.
February 9th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
SP Jack Klompus,
I find Lysander Spooner to be delightful reading.
February 15th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
I dont really give a damn if he’s a mao’ist, communist whatever. I saw his Winter Soldier speech and he was right on. Every word he spoke the truth. So many of you are sheep who have been conditioned to think the way you do. Get an original thought and actually use the brains God gave you. The U.S. has been in continous War my entire life, and I am 49 years old. How much longer do we allow this? If anyone is a traitor, it is YOU who curse this man, for he is real and you are trained monkey robots.
February 15th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
As a trained monkey robot I am especially adept at throwing the poo at Communists, Maoists and everyone else that does not give me digital bananas.
February 15th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
Disclaimer: The aforementioned “digital bananas” in no way refers to certain parts of the male anatomy. DADT has not yet been rescinded and throwing poo in lieu of receiving the daily requirement of bananas is in no way homoerotic, nor are any homosexual references to be derived from such statement, act or marriage. The End.
March 9th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
some of the comments here are insane, mike prysner went to war for what he thought was a good reason, saw that the reasons for the war were false and felt bad about the killing of civilians and yet some of the moronic comments here are ANTI that sentiment, i hope anyone opposing peace realises their mistake sooner rather than later. there have been more civilian deaths in iraq due to uk/us soldiers than saddam hussein himself caused, so far.
March 9th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
If you think war wasn’t the answer, you didn’t understand the question. So far.
March 15th, 2010 at 11:27 am
Everyone that has been to Iraq or A-stan and REAL time outside the wire with significant contact with the locals say Aye!
All of those that have not, listen to the voices of experience.
How can people say that only one side of the media lies?
Why do people listen to what NPR or World news has to say (when they have anterior motives), but ignore veterans who have no overriding motives?
I generally write off people’s political opinion if it is based on second and third hand knowledge, and trust those that were there and lived the experience they are arguing for or against.
I think that’s why most people here hold phonies in such disdain. They are giving false witness and mischaracterizing or lying about what is going on and vets who have been there know it.
Aye!
March 17th, 2010 at 7:43 am
“War or a lack of penis” might also lack some basic math knowlwdge. The number of deaths in Iraq due to the war can never come anywhere near the million deaths caused by Saddam’s territorial wars and repression against his own citizens.
March 19th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
You are all a bunch of cowards. FYI IRAQ DID NOT ATTACK AMERICA!
The IRAQI war was ALL BASED ON LIES, yet you still support the troops being deployed there?
HUH? Do you think the troops WANT TO BE THERE? NO!
5k Dead soldiers all based on lies and you have the balls to criticize someone who WANTS TO BRING THEM HOME?
What a bitch you are and a traitor to the american ppl.
March 19th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
And what a disgrace you are to the honorable name of Thomas Jefferson.
March 19th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Another Paulite, Debra. Or 9/11 Truther although they can be the same thing.
March 19th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
He is not a Paulite. Paulites do not argue for socialized healthcare (as he is doing on Saturday Two-fer). Or rather I should say (because I can’t really say what Paulites do or don’t do since they are, in many cases, not the crowd I’m accustomed to), Ron Paul does not argue for socialized healthcare; he has always been opposed to it.
March 19th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Paulites, on forums, do tend to adopt names of our founding fathers so that is what I think that he is. Ron Paul does not believe in socialized healthcare as far as I know but quite a few of his followers do for some reason.
March 19th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
It’s “racism” to get attacked on 9/11 and kick ass in return. Funny, how leftist boy’s sh*t applies to George Soros and company… he just wants all that bad stuff to be done in the name of “social justice” so we don’t have things like private property and freedom of choice which are bad for us.
March 27th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
“I had no “combat action badge”… an award that did not exist until I got out of the military.”
Mike Prysner
The Combat Action Badge may be awarded to any soldier after the date of September 18, 2001 performing duties in an area where hostile fire pay or imminent danger pay is authorized, who is personally present and actively engaging or being engaged by the enemy, and performing satisfactorily in accordance with the prescribed rules of engagement.
He’s got a hard on for wearing every badge and ribbon in protest which leaves me to question why he doesn’t wear a CAB.
He plays the same tired commie race card bullshit that Stan Goff does,I’d bet the ranch that Stan had this boy for a very long re-education session.Stans as twisted as they get!
April 7th, 2010 at 5:07 am
I dag er det 7 år siden fascistene du støtter inntok Bagdad. Spis litt rått kjøtt og ronk til bilder av døde kvinner og barn, din forbanna tosk!
Fascister som deg gir hele den vestlige verden et elendig (men velfortjent) rykte…
(just juse google translate moron…)
June 4th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Mike prysner is really daring,he has the courage to tell the people,war mongrer that having m16 in hand and open up fire on unarmed civilian women,children is worse act of cowardice,he has the morality to confess that entering others house by force and occupying it with brutuality on the name of interest of own home is most ugly thing to do.where are wmd?bush and blair are sons of thousands guns,killing 1567854 iraqis,where is UNO? its end would be same as league of nations.world is looking towards american, like prysner.
June 12th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
I case people cannot remember obama ran on the campaign promise of bring the troops home but that never seems to be brought up?Being a patriot does not mean you have to take up arms against anyone the buffoons in the government tell you to.Learn to read more than what is stuffed down your throats from the mainstream media.Read about the founding fathers of our great land and things may become more clear.Also I remember Bush signing an order to bring the troops home before he left office.This war will not and does not keep America free and secure.We need to be fighting the enemies within our own government.
June 12th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
I guess people cannot remember obama ran on the campaign promise of bring the troops home but that never seems to be brought up?Being a patriot does not mean you have to take up arms against anyone the buffoons in the government tell you to.Learn to read more than what is stuffed down your throats from the mainstream media.Read about the founding fathers of our great land and things may become more clear.Also I remember Bush signing an order to bring the troops home before he left office.This war will not and does not keep America free and secure.We need to be fighting the enemies within our own government.
June 12th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Damn, I must have been really drunk when I left my previous comments, I didn’t think I’d posted in this thread. Still, my comments made more sense than some of those posted since…
July 5th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Baaah, communist, baaaah, baaah, communism, baaah, baaah, marxist, baaah baaah baaah.
July 5th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Quality rebuttal. You’ve changed my life.
July 5th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Meh, it’s probably Paul posting under another alias. Time for an IP check.
July 5th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
lol Sparky, you’re such a moron.
July 8th, 2010 at 11:55 am
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July 14th, 2010 at 6:57 am
I CANT BELIEVE PEOPLE ARE STILL ASLEEP. WAKE UP!!! EVERYTHING THAT MAN SAID IS THE TRUTH. IF THE GULF DIDN’T TAKE YOUR BLINDERS OFF YOUR PRETTY MUCH BRAIN DEAD.
July 14th, 2010 at 7:48 am
Another insightful and artfully stated counterpoint, undoubtedly composed in the throes of rocking out to Rage Against the Machine. You forgot to call us sheeple though, and pretend it’s clever.
July 17th, 2010 at 10:53 am
I haven’t been able to find much proclaiming him an actual war hero. I think the Left thinks he’s a hero for speaking out against the war now, not for what he did during the war. And as for not reporting atrocities that doesn’t surprise me– the military keeps its own secrets, and that’s the way it’s always been. It would likely fall apart without that code. The communist link seems fuzzy at best, but I personally have never thought communism threatened The United States of America much– I think we’re much too strong for that. All these videos seem too slick for my taste, and that’s why I’m trying to figure out who this guy is.
July 17th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
How’s this for fuzzy?
July 18th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
This is beautiful, thank you for digging up his dd214. Someone threw one of his youtube videos at me in an attempt to try and “open” my eyes to the larger conspiracy. But alarm bells rang the instant he talked about all the terrible things he’d done while he was in. I instantly recalled all the debacles since we’d invaded. The mistreatment of the pow’s, all the collateral damage, and in all that, this guys name and face never came up. I also found it curious he never said “hey, this was my unit, this is when we were there” so anyone with half a brain cell could triangulate his location and colloborate it with his story.
Just another fuckstick looking for some glory at the ignorants expense.
July 26th, 2010 at 2:41 am
Wasn’t the 10th Mountain in Samolia at one time?
August 12th, 2010 at 2:11 am
Wanting to change USAmerica isn’t un-American.. it’s the other way around. The founding fathers set up a system to be equipped to change to meet the needs of the people.
The question here is “how is this war (and other military operations) meeting the needs of the majority of this country”? It sure is costing a lot, so what’s the ROI here compared to what that money could be doing for the people of the US were it to be spent stateside?
August 12th, 2010 at 2:53 am
Except that the system that Micheal wants to promote has been historically repressive when it comes to general freedom. If anyone from the IVAW tried to do what they are doing now in Soviet Russia during ww2 they would have been killed. A reference is the order 227 commonly known as the “Not one step back order” by Stalin.
THE SUPREME COMMAND OF THE RED ARMY ORDERS:
1. The military Councils of the fronts and first of all front commanders should:
a) In all circumstances decisively eradicate retreat attitude in the troops and with an iron hand prevent propaganda that we can and should continue the retreat to the east, and this retreat will not be harmful to us;
b) In all circumstances remove from offices and send to Stavka for court-martial those army commanders who allowed their troops to retreat at will, without authorization by the Front command;
c) Form within each Front 1 to 3 (depending on the situation) penal battalions (800 personnel), where commanding, senior commanders and political officers of corresponding ranks from all services, who have broken discipline due to cowardice or instability, should be sent. These battalions should be put on the more difficult sections of a Front, thus giving them an opportunity to redeem their crimes against the Motherland by blood.
2. The Military Councils of armies and first of all army commanders should:
a) In all circumstances remove from offices corps and army commanders and commissars, who have allowed their troops to retreat at will without authorization by the army command, and send them to the Military Councils of the Fronts for court-martial;
b) Form 3 to 5 well-armed guards (barrage) units (zagradotryads), deploy them in the rear of unstable divisions and oblige them to execute panic-mongers and cowards at site in case of panic and chaotic retreat, thus giving faithful soldiers a chance to do their duty before the Motherland;
c) Form 5 to 10 (depending on the situation) penal companies, where soldiers and NCOs, who have broken discipline due to cowardice or instability, should be sent. These units should be deployed at the most difficult sectors of the front, thus giving their soldiers an opportunity to redeem their crimes against the Motherland by blood.
3. Corps and division commanders and commissars should:
a) In all circumstances remove from offices regiment and battalion commanders and commissars who allowed their troops to retreat at will without authorization from divisional or corps command, deprive them of their military decorations and send them to the Military Councils of fronts for court-martial;
b) Provide all possible help and support to the guards (barrage) units (zagradotryads) of the army in their work of strengthening discipline and order in the units.
This order is to be read aloud in all companies, troops, batteries, squadrons, teams and staffs.
The People’s Commissar for Defense
JOSEPH STALIN
This is a result from the system that he supports, one that would have had him killed refusing to fight.
August 12th, 2010 at 6:53 am
@sporkmaster
I doubt Mr. Prysner supports a Stalinesque version of socialism. There’s a VAAAAAAAAST empty void between things like universal health care and things like “order 227″
… plus your *attempted* point has no relevance to the question posed. (to be honest, it kind of came out of nowhere last time you posted it too)
August 12th, 2010 at 8:48 am
Wow. Thats an AMAZING speech he gave. This is kind of crazy, but its actually made me understand the left anti-war position a lot better… Wow.
August 12th, 2010 at 9:12 am
You mean the socialism is IVAW referring to that is totally different from this type?
Tell me which type when he has actively come out and said that the “heroes are the people on the other side”. You know that bravely and deliberately bomb civilian targets.
Or how many times we have heard this type of language by Russia, China, Cuba, and Korea to say the least?
It is the same thing that we have seen happen in the past only this time with a new label.
August 12th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Re Prysner’s chosen end quote, attributed to James Madison: “If tyranny and oppression come to this land…”
Someone please demonstrate that Madison actually said this. I’ve seen it attributed to his writing in the Federalist Papers, which is false. Everywhere else it appears, it does so without sourcing. I’m beginning to think it’s one of those things that people love to say because it makes them sound well read, when they actually haven’t expended effort to see if it was something Madison ever said, and even if it was, they haven’t undertaken to find out the context.
August 12th, 2010 at 11:10 am
Hey, uh, J Park, if Peysner doesn’t support “Stalinesque” socialism then what’s he doing standing there with a ‘Che’ sign? Che wasn’t Stalinist what with the prison camps and murders of political opponents?
August 12th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Oops. I mistook Sporkmaster’s comment as an attempt at a response to mine… sorry. But even if Mr. Peysner’s vision of USAmerica included a strict adherence to the philosophies of Stalin (which it clearly does, since, as Sporkmaster points out, they conflict directly with the first point of Peysner’s own organization :\ ) if he believes that that is what is best for the USAmerican people, he has the right to push for that… that is part of democracy and he is exercising that not-so-uniquely-American right. (and please think about it a little before you respond with something like “see? He wants to get rid of the very rights which he is exercising”)
… and I still agree with his point that it’s tragic how much money has been diverted from OUR own public benefit, into the coffers of military corporations.
August 12th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
When did I or anyone here said that Mike should be prevents from speaking his mind? The point we are trying to make is that he is promoting a system that sounds better on paper then it does in reality with several examples. If he is trying to distance himself from these examples why is it that he is using a portrait of Che on a banner and using themes that are very similar to past Communist governments.
Also I would like to know which group we are talking about. The IVAW’s policy of prohibiting the calling for violence against US troops. (See video that calls the people that are killing US troops and civilians as heroes.) Or the group March Forward that he formed or the Socialist party that he is trying to run for Office under?
August 12th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
The current generation never experienced the Communist Threat and too many of the last generation were enamored with the Communist Utopia.
Is it possible that the majority of Che T-Shirt wearers think he represents dope smokers? Surely, they are willfully ignorant that Che came from a rich family that paid for his medical education. Surely they are unware Che was a murderous thug that squandered his education for his lust for power? Surely they are unaware that he murdered thousands more with violence than he saved with a scapel?
But Prysner? No, surely he does understand what Che was. Certainly a man that can write such an eloquent speech does so from his own lust for power.
I won’t fault him for lack of a CAB, though I’m sure he’s trying to figure out how to get one. The CAB means nothing. It’s ugly and those that fight to get one are usually the ones that witnessed combat from a distance. One “V” device outweighs 10 CAB’s. (Didn’t see that in his records either.)
I will fault him as a liar. I will fault him for self-promotion. And I will fault him for pretending to be all that he is not.
And anyone that thinks socialism, communism, fascism, or islamism works is welcome to move to Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Syria, or Iran. You do have the right to say its better, but we refuse to idly accept your calls to a system that suppresses our right to tell you you are wrong.
As to the record of civilian deaths: Saddam’s government murdered an average of 1000/month from 1979 onward to the end of his tyranny. Al-Qaeda, the Mehdi Militia, and Hezbollah murdered more Iraqi civilians each month during their heigth, but the totality of ‘collateral damage’ deaths (i.e. those killed accidently) by the US Military never came close.
American Troops are no more responsible for the civilians murdered by our enemies than a Police Officer is responsible for not catching a serial killer before his final murder.
PrettyboyPrysner is welcomed to emigrate to Pyongyang. No doubt Kim il Dong will lavish him.
August 12th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
“it’s tragic how much money has been diverted from OUR own public benefit, into the coffers of military corporations.”
You **ARE** aware that defense spending currently accounts for less than 4 percent of GDP, do you not? Would you care to come back and tell me how much of your beloved “social justice” programs currently cost?
August 15th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Communism obviously doesn’t work, if one actually looks at recent history. However, apparently our system isn’t entirely free from the flaws of the past either. Throughout history, labels like “savage”, “babarian”, “civilized”, “inferior”, and “superior” HAVE been used by those in power to motivate otherwise moral people to do unspeakable things. Two such cases are the way Hitler’s regime motivated the German people to commit atrocities against Jewish people, and how Puritan leaders, as well as the newly formed, at that time, American government, convinced colonists to commit horrible acts against the Natives and force them off land that had been theirs for centuries. These, and most other cases are in part due to the language(specific words with specific connotations) used by the prevailing powers at whatever time, but also in part due to the willingness of the people to listen to it.
So, though it does seem from the reports of Prysner’s actual service, and his communist extremism, that he is not quite honest or necessarily fit to listen to, he makes an important point about what has been going on the past 60 years in America. We, the people of this country, time and again, have rushed out into the world to attack some country that our government said was bad for some reason or another, usually using half lies as their reasons. It may have been excusable for people to be ignorant to the state of the world 30 years ago, and I stress may, but this is no longer the case. We have access to a world full of information and viewpoints from which to base our decisions and opinions as to whether or not we will let our government wage war, and yet, in 2002 we allowed our military to invade Iraq, which was run by a fascist dictator to be sure, on grounds that he was supporting terrorism and hiding weapons of mass distruction that could be obtained by said terrorists. These were outright lies. We never punished those responsible because we justified the venture by removing Saddam from power, which “made Iraq a better place.” I have no doubt that he was a horrible leader, and did horrible things. Where was it in our place to step in and change that for the Iraqi people? What have we let our government now become? The lazy way in which we have dealt with our government on this, many of us actually ignorantly supporting the actions, may have caused irreparable damage to what was America. We allowed our government to violate the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, all in the name of security. Do you think that they will now relenquish that power ever? Well, only time will tell how this whole ordeal will play out, but it seems as if we will never get any honesty from our government about any foreign affair ever again. What course of action are we left with? To idly sit by and argue over someone that tried to stand up and do something about it?
August 17th, 2010 at 2:27 am
Here is a young man, speaking out against atrocities which we still take for granted and most of you are so brainwashed, you cannot recognize truth when you meet it. So the words “socialism” and “communism” still frighten you more than the idea of killing our fellow human beings? Sad. War has always been a scam. Time to listen to what the prophets were trying to teach us when they said “Love your enemies” and “Thou shall not kill”. When are we going to take a hint, people??????
August 17th, 2010 at 2:55 am
I guess he’s like those former Moslems who go on talk shows to rail against Islam and new mosques. The conservatives LOVE them cuz they have street cred, and it makes them seem less bigoted.
August 17th, 2010 at 3:30 am
Well, Susan–may I call you Susan, or would you prefer pathetically delusioned? I fail to see how we are “brainwashed”, considering many of us here are in fact combat veterans, some of whom are still serving, if you must know.
Ya see, Susan, it’s not so much that we don’t like the words “communism” and “socialism” per se, it’s the concepts BEHIND those words that many of us have spent a lifetime in and out of uniform to prevent the spread of those concepts and policies to our lives and that of our nation. Many of us have had first-hand experience dealing with those who would foist those systems upon us. Many of us have read our history and understand all too well the death and destruction which will inevitably result from the attempts to implement such “change” in our lives.
Or did you conveniently overlook the other 100 million who have died in the past century at other such failed (or successful, depending upon your viewpoint) attempts at formenting international socialism in such places as China, Eastern Europe, the former Soviet Union, North Korea, and a few other garden spots of planet Earth?
Perhaps a little context is in order, Susan–that “thou shalt not kill” doesn’t mean that we don’t kill, period. It means we do not MURDER. The concept of justified warfare has many, many examples not only in history but in the Bible as well. And scam? Really, Susan? Is there nothing for which you will put YOUR life on the line, or would you prefer your betters do the heavy lifting for you?
And hello–goodbye. You’re a fucking douchenozzle who only deserves a throat punch.
August 17th, 2010 at 4:13 am
Hey, Sparky… name-calling is a dead giveaway that you realize (on some level) that you are acting as you have been programmed to do. Again, it appears you cannot see the truth when it tries to save your life!
My sympathies for your traumatic experiences but suggesting I “deserve a throat punch” makes you sound like a bully and an idiot! Let’s stick to the facts. What is it in your mind that distinguishes “murder” from “killing”? As Gandhi so eloquently put it (and I agree 100%) “There are many causes for which I am willing to die, but none for which I am willing to kill.” That is the ONLY path to a civilized and decent world.
Currently your society is failing in so many respects. The very rich are doing great and the rest of us are either wage slaves or completely poverty-stricken. Corruption is rampant in our governments, our businesses and even our “health care” organizations, etc. Could it be that our system is failing us because it is based on taking advantage of each other rather than on caring for one another?
Another glaring example is how we treat animals. We assume our own superiority and “own” billions of innocent sentient beings whom we torture and kill for our pleasure. Meanwhile, this makes us very sick AND wastes tremendous resources we could be using to feed the world. Millions die every year of starvation! Do you care?
The “concept of justified warfare” is propaganda just like the meat and dairy industries hypnotizing us to believe we need their poison to be healthy!
Best wishes to you and yours.
August 17th, 2010 at 5:36 am
Ah, Ms. “Holier Than Thou” speaks! All bow down to the hypocritical blatherings! BTW–not a real good idea to call out people for namecalling when you come in here flinging shit right off the bad–just sayin. (Hint: calling people brainwashed IS in fact namecalling, fyi.)
As far as “my traumatic experiences” go, well, you weren’t there, you don’t know, and frankly, the worst I ever had to endure in my time on the boats was dealing with tender pukes and the Shellback Initiation.
Finally, my final comment was directed at the poster below you, hello. You know, RIF–reading is fundamental. Unless, of course, you WANT a throat punch.
And one has to be willing to kill and/or die for their beliefs. If you’re only willing to die, I’m sure the Islamists will be more than happy to accomodate you. Me, I’m one of those, “Better to die on one’s feet than live on one’s knees” kinda guy.
But to quote Colonel Jessup, “I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.” Frankly, your naivete is, to put it mildly, dangerous in the extreme.
August 17th, 2010 at 5:50 am
Ms. HTH, Gandhi also said: “It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.” Just be honest, say you hate America, men and everyone who’s successful, well-adjusted or just braver than you. Gandhi wouldn’t like you using him so you can whine either.
August 17th, 2010 at 8:29 am
Susan in #96: I’m sure you mean well, however, your examples are pretty screwed up. Yeah, communism is a bad word, since 100 million people have been murdered in the name of communist domination in the last 100 years. You want to talk atrocities; maybe you should start there.
You want to talk prophets and the saying “Love your enemies” and “Thou shall not kill”, then I suggest you look at how much “love” Lenin, Stalin, Che, Castro, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. have shown in their histories. Maybe you are the one that needs to “take a hint”?
You talk about loving your fellow human beings; that’s wonderful, naive, but wonderful. What happens when there is someone out there that doesn’t want to love you, but rather enslave or kill you? Are you going to attempt to talk them out of it based on your utopian worldview? Are you going to tell them to “take a hint”? Will you attempt to shame and degrade them in to seeing things your way? Or, will you die with a wimper? Just as Medea Benjamin is so courageous and brave standing up and barking at Marines, until someone in the crowd wants to confront her, in which she hides behind those same Marines for protection from the person who confronted her, I feel that you would be the same way. When your love affair with communism comes crashing back to reality and they come for you, I believe you would go looking for protection, only in your utopian society, there would be no one to run to.
When you get some life experiences, you just might see that things aren’t as written in your text book, or what you hear from your professors that have never been out of academia. If you don’t, then you will turn in to Joe.
August 17th, 2010 at 9:00 am
First-Prysner’s not a Stalinist, he’s a Maoist. DIFFERENT butchery and atrocities involved.
Second, communism is not love. It is nothing but cruelty, ignorance, and the tyranny of the least common denominator. Ask anyone who’s actually had to suffer under it, not the college kids who are busy hating their dads and thinking they’re sooooo edgy.
August 17th, 2010 at 9:59 am
Wow, AS, we actually are on the same side on this one!!! Who woulda thunk it?
August 17th, 2010 at 10:04 am
Did AS just rip up on fellow IVAW member Michael “I love Castro” Prysner???
I need to sit down and take deep breaths. hehehe j/k
August 17th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Yes, folks who have lived under communism tend to dislike it. What’s up with that?
August 17th, 2010 at 10:40 am
#99 “Gandhi so eloquently put it (and I agree 100%) “There are many causes for which I am willing to die, but none for which I am willing to kill.” That is the ONLY path to a civilized and decent world.”
Susan, do you agree with ALL Gandhi said, or just what pleases you? Here’s some more from Gandhi………
“I WOULD risk violence a thousand times rather than risk the emasculation of a whole race.
I do believe that, where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence… I would rather have India resort to arms in order to defend her honour than that she should, in a cowardly manner, become or remain a helpless witness to her own dishonor.”
“My nonviolence does admit of people, who cannot or will not be nonviolent, holding and making effective use of arms.”
“I have been repeating over and over again that he who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honour by non-violently facing death may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden. He has no business to be the head of a family. He must either hide himself, or must rest content to live for ever in helplessness and be prepared to crawl like a worm at the bidding of a bully.”
“Though violence is not lawful, when it is offered in self-defense or for the defense of the defenseless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission. The latter befits neither man nor woman. Under violence, there are many stages and varieties of bravery. Every man must judge this for himself. No other person can or has the right.”
Source: The Mind of Mahatma Gandhi
While Gandhi was very committed to nonviolence, he was also a realist and knew full well that the human race as a whole would not then, and never will, embrace nonviolence as a worldwide philosophy. Humans are not built that way, we are creatures of nature, (or God for some), not creatures of philosophy.
September 30th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
Came across this site because some joker (a friend of a friend) thought it would be cool to post this video on my Facebook wall.
I must say, I am quite impressed with the responses TO (emphasis added) the obvious cool aid drinkers.
As someone who served in the 10th Mountain (1-22IN Somalia & Haiti), I can tell you, what this guy is doing sickens me.
I retired before the second go around in the sandbox; however, I have plenty of brothers who have served there, and some who are still there and what Prysner is doing is dishonoring the memories of the ones who didn’t (and continue) to not come home.
It sickens me to see him wearing that uniform like he earned it!
I’d love to have a little chat with this so-called “war hero” or better yet, introduce him to some real heroes, like my bro who received the Silver Star in Somalia for his actions during Gothic Serpent.
Thanks to all of you who have served, if it weren’t for us, Mr. Prysner and the rest of his rabble wouldn’t be able to spout their vitriol.
January 11th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
I wonder how many of you guys who are criticizing him actually went to combat, or were in Iraq. Its very easy talking about war sitting comfortably on your butt at home. He actually put his life on the line for his friends and this country to protect it I would trust the word of someone who was there over some one who wasn’t.
January 11th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
“I wonder how many of you guys who are criticizing him actually went to combat, or were in Iraq. Its very easy talking about war sitting comfortably on your butt at home”
Most of us are combat vets, fuckstick; try learning a little about the blog before you show your ass. I served in combat in Iraq. Prysner didn’t. So by your logic you can go ahead and take my word over his when I tell you he’s full of shit.
January 19th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
bunch of ignorant rednecks here lol
January 20th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Thank god for people like michael prysner. People that are willing to work & try to change are very flawed & outdated political system that makes the rich richer & keeps the poor.. poor. Michael prysner does not preach communism. If that’s what you get from his message you’re either quite uneducated or educated & trying to spin the truth for your own political reasons… like the guy who wrote this column.
January 20th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Jesus, they’re all ate up with the dumbass and don’t even know it.
February 12th, 2011 at 1:18 am
Uhm, Jack, Prysner has many antecedents who ended up shot or in the gulag for being so “willing to work & try to change”. Fighting for someTHING isn’t enough-It’s what you fight FOR that matters, and he’s clearly delusional to believe that ANSWER has the answer to that one.
March 21st, 2011 at 9:39 pm
This guy is a disgrace to the country and the uniform. In fact, he’s not worth our time. I guess we are suppose to all hold hands around the campfire singing, “Kum-Ba-Yah” while the folks that want every man woman and child in the west dead kill us off. He has no solutions, in fact, he is a great example of the bleeding heart problem. All we need to do is look back at Nam and see how guys like this and the liberal media actually cost us the war. Let me assure you all that if this country was united in our noble effort to free the world of tyrants,extremists, dictators, radicals, and power hungry killers, idiot baffoons like this butt wipe counterfeit rat could not exist.
March 29th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
With very much respect to those who serve in our Military as I had several friend & family member veterans, I am compelled to share my 2 cents based not only on their input but my personal experience in this clusterfuck called a free country.
Wow! Lots of emotions running wild in here about people who disagree with our life long teachings (from grade school to TV propaganda) of how free we are supposed to be and what a great system we have.
Some things that I’m a bit confused about for example,
We are only as equal as our bank accounts.
We only have the rights we can afford. If you are poor (which ever growing #’s of people are) you have practically no way to fight any entity that is dry fucking you as they not only have the over abundance of money but the lawyers to make damn sure you stay well fucked. Free speech as long as you don’t say anything bad about the power trippin, disconnected, no clue what it is to be a regular citizen, silver spooned, well groomed, lying fuck-ups we are supposed to call leaders.
Our corporate government consistently takes ever more from those of us who have ever less. They have basically given full powers to Wall Street to make it where soon with or without a job ya won’t be able to afford to live in a roofed building without moving in others to share the overload falsely inflated expenses. Where one person can rarely generate enough money to keep a home and are forced to send the kids to someone they don’t know all day every day because both mom & dad have to be gone all the time thus fucking the kids up. Unless of course you are an exec in corporate management.
We went to Iraq for oil that didn’t do a thing for us here in the states. We are now in Afghanistan because? $1 trillion in untapped minerals found. We probably aren’t even fighting anyone over but rather digging their resources as our own.
What does Libya have again? Oh, that’s right OIL!
We are building a great vacation spot for the Elitists & for the UAE at yours and my expense but we will damned sure never afford going for a visit. Well, unless of course it is to blow them up too. We are without question the most War loving country in history. I don’t believe we have gone even 10 years without one somewhere and don’t tell me some are just military actions, it is still war with other humans.
Seems Everyone wants to call it some kind of ism or another. Why don’t we come up with a new term like maybe Humanism. Where ALL PEOPLE have not only the right but also ability to better themselves without all of the ignorant pitfalls, setups & scams. Where people are able to give a damn about their neighbors instead of figuring out how to fuckem over. Where lying is a Crime rather than expected.
Lastly, every single Veteran I spoke or speak to says EXACTLY the Same Thing… “What We Have Now IS NOT What I was Fighting For”
I’ve seen and heard the pain in these mens faces, hearts & minds but do YOU Believe Your Beloved Leaders Give a Fuck about THEM OR YOU? Rather than pass such quick judgment on others who see things differently, please at least take some time to really think about it all.
And No, I don’t want to live in a communist, pure socialist country either but this place sure as hell isn’t the great Bullshit they had me believing in school too OK.
Yea,I don’t know just a thought. I’m sure it will rev somebody up in here… Sheesh!
May 17th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Check this website. It will give you some perspective. http://www.ae911truth.org
May 17th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Yeah, thanks, Rio. We haven’t been bombarded with enough baseless blather over the last ten years. We can always use “perspective” from cranks and walking, breathing dildos.
May 23rd, 2011 at 5:50 pm
While I dont agree with the majority of what Prysner has to say, I believe that some of the corporate and political relationships are shady at best.
The middle class is disappearing. It is not the governments job to make sure they proliferate; however it is the governments job to keep unethical corporations on the level.
I am proud to be an American. I thank those of you who served for your courage and sense of duty. Hopefully, those of us who didnt serve in the military are attempting to serve in other ways to improve this country.
Socialism is not inherently bad as you well know, but some of the social policies in the USA are. That being said, our compassion for our fellow countrymen has always been one of the values that I believe make this a great country.
To sum up, I dont have the answers but some things could definitely be changed for the better.
It saddens me when it seems that there is no middle ground for dialogue left in politics.
Keep up the good fight soldiers. Keep looking for a way to improve the USA without punishing ambition liberals.
Let us all continue striving for freedom. Maybe not the proper forum, just wanted to vent a bit. Thanks.
August 11th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
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August 15th, 2011 at 4:56 am
Thank you, RaisedEyebrow, for such a passionate and heart-felt expression of this world as we know it to be. No doubt you will receive such enlightend responses from this crowd such as “You suck” and “you are a communist fuckstick (as one of these brilliant individuals likes to call everyone who disagrees with his point of view, no doubt having oral cravings for such a thing as a fuck-stick) or maybe the constant whine from the old soldier boy “When you have life experience you can talk blah blah blah” but just consider the source of such insults, and be at peace. Jesus loves even them……
August 15th, 2011 at 4:59 am
And thank you Jeremy for an intelligent and well written plea for sanity and constructive conversation. Those who get it will, and those who don’t may never, but it was a great effort.
August 15th, 2011 at 8:39 am
good lord there are so many trolls with their heads up their 4th point of contact!
November 11th, 2011 at 3:53 am
I’m a vet and I agree with Prysner’s infamous speech completely. I don’t endorse socialism, but he says nothing about that in that speech. Sure, I don’t like the fact that he endorses it, but it’s certainly better than being hopelessly trapped in the false Left/Right Paradigm like most I see here. That’s the one the elite wants you to keep buying into anyway. So no, I don’t like the banner that says Socialism, but the one that says “Occupation Is A Crime” is dead fucking on. And just like good music breaks genres and stereotypes so does logical politics. I suppose you knuckleheads also want a another (AskeNAZI) war, only now, with Iran, right? And all because they are (supposedly)close to making a nuclear weapon, and therefore a threat to Israel. Even if they are, so what! Israel has 300+ nukes, but unlike Iran, they’ve attacked us before. Iran, however, hasn’t led a military offensive against any other nation in over 200 years (before they were even called Iran)
So if you guys really stand with your fellow vets, then you should back up those attacked on the USS Liberty (by Israel) in getting a real investigation done. They deserve it! We need to investigate and convict of all Israeli war criminals involved in both the USS Liberty and 911 attacks. We also need to cut off all foreign aid to IsraHell for good. But if you’d rather keep acting like a bunch of brainwashed pussies that believe everything the warmongers tell you on your favorite TV programs (which they also own & control), I can’t help you.
The Mossad did 911! And that’s not according to me, that’s according to Dr. Alan Sabrosky, the former director (and grad) of the Army War College. So that’s at least two major attacks against the U.S. and we’re listening to them and actually considering taking another war on their behalf. (Fuck you, not this vet!) And let us not forget that our annual 6 billion to Israel has funded thousands of acts of terrorism (mostly false-flag) against hundreds of nations around the world (including us). They also commit more espionage against us than any other nation (even Russia). Remember the White House telecoms scandal? They were listening to Clinton’s sex scandal in order to obtain some more blackmail material. Some friend & ally, huh?
Wake up, people!
November 11th, 2011 at 7:24 am
I can’t wait for Alex Jones to broadcast “white night” on his radio show.
November 11th, 2011 at 8:30 am
Oh, sweet root beer drinking baby Jesus on a tricycle.
Why do all the Ronulans show up HERE??? Seriously, Fiat–go back to you Oathkeepers circle jerk.
January 10th, 2012 at 2:35 am
Reading is good and all but at times it better that you go outside and Live your Life
January 10th, 2012 at 3:30 am
[...] their front group “March Forward”. You might remember some illustrious members such as Michael Prysner. According to the Seattle Times: The lockdown has angered some of the soldiers, who are part of the [...]
February 6th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
[...] from PressTV, the English-language Iranian news organization, which tells us that our old buddy, Mike Prysner, IVAW cum March Forward anti-war activist is using his organization to co-opt the Occupy LA sheep [...]
March 28th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Stop using the label Communist for anything that stands up against American neo-colonialist, war-mongering, terrorist state.
It’s really sad that even the “educated class” is too blind to see that these labels do not reflect the actually situation, but are merely used as a smear.
War is the means by which the poor subsidize the rich with their taxes and lives. It has been that way since the beginning of our countries history. The US is not a noble country and everywhere it goes it leaves destruction, misery and poverty in it’s wake.
Go ahead, call me a Communist. That term has lost it’s meaning. Jerks!
March 28th, 2012 at 7:51 am
Um, dickweed in #130; He made a New Year’s resolution to be a better Communist. What else should I call him? Obviously, the term hasn’t lost it’s meaning in Prysner’s mind.
March 28th, 2012 at 8:04 am
#130: If you live here; get the fuck out if you want to wet your diaper about everything that isn’t rainbows and skittle farting unicorns. If you don’t live here; stay the fuck out, we neither need or want you here. In case you haven’t noticed, and judging by the boiler plate pablum you’re spewing you haven’t, but those places you say we destroy and cause misery and poverty in our wake are doing better than when we got there. So take your utopian bullshit and shove it straight up your ass. How many of these places have you been around the world? All you’re doing is quoting what you read in your WCW pamphlet (that’s obvious from your class warfare comparison) and what your limp wristed professor told you in class. When you’re all grown up and have actually seen this American caused misery and poverty, come talk to us.
March 28th, 2012 at 8:25 am
For what it’s worth: the CAB did in fact exist when Prysner got out. It was approved on 2 May 2005. The FOIA info shows Prysner left the Army on 14 June of that year.
Oh, and WOTN: have to disagree. Other than MOS and unit of assignment requirements, per AR 600-8-22 the CAB criteria are essentially the same as CIB or CMB criteria. All three require the recipient have been personally engaged by the enemy or personally engaged the enemy by fire – which is the same as saying been in actual combat.
Not disputing that the infantry’s job is toughest, but the CIB and CMB still recognize that fact. The CAB merely recognizes the fact that those in other MOSs/units get shot at (and shoot back) too.
March 28th, 2012 at 8:37 am
SuperAutomaton: I agree – with your screen name, not your drivel above. You’re nothing more than an automaton here; you’re repeating tired, bogus Progressive/Marxist/Communist/Socialist/(insert other other idiotic leftist movement name here) “talking points”. Try thinking for yourself rather than acting like a parrot.
Oh, and you are also most cordially invited to go fornicate yourself.
August 22nd, 2012 at 9:38 pm
The idea that Ron Paul favors socialized medicine–he is a physician, btw–is absurd. But perhaps someone put some stuff on the Internet in his name. One can never tell these days.
September 29th, 2012 at 10:58 am
I tend to agree with this guy, altho it seems he is exaggerating his record. Too many armchair generals have no idea of the emotional impact these kind of wars have on those who have to fight them. As far as I’m concerned, he has every right to speak up and to be a socialist if that’s what he wants to do.
October 9th, 2012 at 6:30 am
[...] article also mentions Mike Prysner who we’ve known for years here. “We signed up to serve our country, but we didn’t sign up to have our lives thrown [...]
January 5th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Dude… Prysner ROCKS!!!! YEAH!!!!!! WOOOOOOOT!!!!!!
May 2nd, 2013 at 2:39 pm
[...] clicked on the link and it brought to be a blog post (http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=16332)* where his political aspirations and ideological leanings (socialist/communist) were called out [...]
May 8th, 2013 at 6:37 am
Just like to say the the yanks and the brits, and i am brit myself, like to play real double standards…the yanks and brits are the forerunners in talking about human rights etc but they are definitely not up there in acting it out and so that argument goes straight out the window..the problem in this blog is i dnt think people like yourselves understand the magnitude of the problems..ahh well enjoy ur propaganda fools!!
May 8th, 2013 at 6:41 am
Freedom: you’re entitled to your opinion. I’m entitled to mine.
My opinion is that you should GFY.