Today’s “WTF?” moment

| January 24, 2010 | 131 Comments

My buddy, Bev Perlson, sent this video this morning. Fox News’ Judge Napolitano interviews Adam Kokesh as if Kokesh is just another guy off the street running for office without mentioning that Kokesh was/is a member of IVAW;

If Napolitano had done his research, he’d know that his endorsement of Kokesh’s candidacy is fairly misplaced. Kokesh was busted by the Marine Corps for smuggling an Iraqi pistol back to the States – does that sound like someone we need in Congress? He misrepresented his character of service and continued to call himself something he’s not – and oh, he bullied bloggers.

He has admitted to drug abuse on his blog (which has since been altered since he started his congressional campaign but not before TAH captured it). Remember Kokesh when he teamed up with Jon DeWald to disparage veterans? Remember when Kokesh tried to start some violence on GWU’s campus by tacking up handbills around campus that were obviously racist, but were blamed on a conservative student group?

Remember when Kokesh was arrested for posting anti-war handbills in Lafayette Park after the police told him to stop? Remember what Kokesh told the officer when the character of Kokesh’s discharge was being determined? And, oh, at that same link is Kokesh’s recounting of an incident in Germany when he tried to organize active duty soldiers against the war on base.

You can see Kokesh’s DD214 here because TAH will always be there when Kokesh shows up in public.

Is that who Napolitano is endorsing? A chameleon who changes his politics with the direction of the political wind? While the anti-war movement was deteriorating, Kokesh changed horses in midstream to become Paulian and now he’s a Republican candidate in New Mexico. Last March, Kokesh was marching with communists, anarchists and socialists in the ANSWER march on the Pentagon. Today he’s instructing us on his commitment to the Constitution on FOX NEWS as a REPUBLICAN candidate. In just ten months.

I don’t know how Napolitano can call Kokesh a “Constitutional candidate” when IVAW encourages servicemembers to violate their oath to the Constitution.

Category: Antiwar crowd, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Usual Suspects

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  1. @JustHearSay says:

    Jonn Lilyea

    I never said anything about “luck”. I don’t like the idea of any of our soldiers going to war and dieing for what I believe to be other peoples agendas. I can’t concretely source this quote, as I am sure is the case with may quotes that are made, which does not necessarily invalidate them.

    However, I would like to direct you to the writings of Smedley Butler, a highly decorate Major General in the USMC, who wrote “War is a Racket”. His experiences and opinions that are expressed in his book reinforce the points Kissinger quote. The link below is an excerpt from the book and is available in reprint.

    The book may 60+ years old and the people he speaks of are dead, the same shady interests are very much a live and well.

  2. @JustHearSay says:

    Old Tanker

    I do not think you or anyone else a dumb animal. I was merely restating a quote attributed to Henry Kissinger as a means to make the point that there are individuals that view people as resources to be exploited for their own purposes. Historically, many wars have been geo-political. It is the populace that is used as a means to that end. If such a high ranking US official who served as Secretary of State, National Security Advisor, and Nobel Peace Prize winner really said this it is important to question whose interests the decision makers are acting on behalf of.

  3. @JustHearSay says:

    Jonn Lilyea

    Sorry Forgot to post the link:

    “War is A Racket” by Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Major General Smedley D. Butler – USMC, Retired

    http://www.warisaracket.com/

  4. Mike Blankenship says:

    To “JustHearSay”…..you come by your name honest….you base all of your arguments on Hear Say and whatever the hell suits your agenda……if i had a nickel for everyone i’ve seen like you the past forty years….well you get my drift.

    Try moving to Berkeley where you’ll find plenty of like-minded pukes to inflate your ego….nobody here wants to waste their time with your drivel….we’ve all been there, done that.

    Keep up the great work Jonn.

  5. NHSparky says:

    Smell that? You smell that?

    What?

    Trolls, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of trolls in the morning. You know, one time we had a troll napalmed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn’t find one of ‘em, not one stinkin’ troll body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like…victory. Someday this Internet’s gonna end…

  6. Debra says:

    I’m not going to get involved in this debate, but I would just like to remind everyone that there was a time when people scoffed at the idea that there were health problems associated with Agent Orange. It was many years before the US government acknowledged the problem.

  7. Old Tanker says:

    JustHearSay,

    Making sure I have this right…..you dropped a link to back up your “scientific” (CBS, Dan..watermelon, ANG, Rather) assertions, I “dropped” one (peer reviewed) to refute. You then re-affirmed a dubiously attributed quote to Kissinger, then threw in a quote from Butler…..this refutes the science behind depleted Uranium??? Did I get all the redirections and strawmen right? BTW, I’m still not horribly disfigured and my “lil’ soldier” still stands at attention….

  8. Old Tanker says:

    Debra,

    In the case of AO there was science to back it up that was being ignored. In this case, not so….yet…. I will not presume to make the assumption that future studies will not find something different, but I will say that there is nothing out there now….and depleted uranium has been around far longer than agent orange was. The goal of science is to study, make a hypothesis and continue to study. Time can show different results….after all, silicone breast implants are back on the market.

  9. Debra says:

    Old Tanker, good then, you agree with me that they need to do more studies on the safety of depleted uranium. Again, we are actually agreeing on something! Isn’t this amazing?!

  10. Old Tanker says:

    Debra,

    I say yet because there will be many studies to come (some are ongoing) and the possibility exists that something may come of it…..HOWEVER… and I make sure to punctuate that, as time goes by it becomes far more difficult for these studies to become conclusive. People 1st exposed are getting older and will get sick with many illnesses that some will attribute to most anything. I give you my example above of silicone breast implants. There was never any evidence that silicone did anything and there is still none after all these years, which is why they are back on the market. It is very likely that more studies will only back up what is known….and believe me, there are ALOT of studies out there on DU. The fact that there are no lawsuits regarding it ought to tell you something….after all, there was no evidence about silicone and now Dow-Corning is still paying for lawsuits and still in bankruptcy…

  11. sporkmaster says:

    But I have to point out that during our Post Deployment Health Assessment that one of the the things that was asked from us was that if we thought that we where ever exposed to depleted uranium.

    Never been in a Bradly but do they use DU rounds for the cannon?

  12. NHSparky says:

    Debra, put it another way–you see all the ambulance chasers going after mesothelioma and asbestosis patients? The lawsuits, etc? Were you aware that the effects of asbestos have been known for nearly 70 years now?

  13. Debra says:

    Old Tanker,

    I don’t really think that the situation with the silicone breast implants is a good example to compare depleted uranium to. There are many things once thought to be safe which most health-conscious people now reject as toxic based on the evidence available, even if not everyone agrees. Mercury amalgam fillings, for example.

    Do you think it’s true that Iraq is planning to sue the US and Britain over use of depleted uranium?

    Even if it is determined with absolute finality that it is safe to breathe depleted uranium dust without any healthy consequences (something which will never happen, but this is just a hypothetical), the fact still remains that there has been a substantial increase in birth defects and cancer in Iraqi children. What would you attribute that to primarily, if not depleted uranium?

  14. Debra says:

    NHSparky,

    Or you could look at the previous use of lead paint in houses. Now lead paint is banned and there are all kinds of federal regulations concerning lead paint and lead dust because the science has proven it to be a health hazard. I’m not really up on that so much, but I do know that my college-educated daughter and son-in-law test for lead levels both in the homes they move into as well as have their children’s blood checked for the lead level.

  15. NHSparky says:

    Or then again, people could just be cashing in on the completely paranoid–I hear there’s a great market for it. Around here, it’s Radon testing and removal systems.

  16. Debra says:

    Well, NHSparky, people have got all sorts of health problems. I have lost count of the number of women I have known with breast cancer, some still living, some not. I think there are causes or at least contributing factors to these things. I’d like to live a long time so I can enjoy my grandchildren and great-grandchildren (well, I don’t have any great-grandchildren yet, but hopefully in about 20 years or so), so I like to look at things very closely and question. In my personal health and that of my family, I prefer to err on the side of safety. (Well, I also err sometimes on the side of weak self-discipline, but that is another issue, lol.)

  17. @JustHearSay says:

    Old Tanker

    Actually, there were 2 links. The CBS one was not intended as scientific merely that these birth defects are being reported. The 2nd is a more detailed report about other peoples opinions and experiences on the matter.

    This article http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/apr/25/internationaleducationnews.armstrade states that during the 3 week conflict for Baghdad “between 1,000 and 2,000 tonnes of depleted uranium were used by the coalition”. If you lived there at that time and had to continue living there afterwards would you not be exposed to it at levels that were toxic?

    What about all the reports of the huge jump in hideous birth defects since the war began? The link below is to wikipedia’s listing on DU. While wikipedia is obviously not a scientific discourse, it has lot’s of citations and footnotes for you to do your research.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#cite_note-gaurdian2003-6

    The quotes were not to support my DU argument, which should be obvious. As I said earlier “I do not think you or anyone else a dumb animal. I was merely restating a quote attributed to Henry Kissinger as a means to make the point that there are individuals that view people as resources to be exploited for their own purposes. Historically, many wars have been geo-political. It is the populace that is used as a means to that end. If such a high ranking US official who served as Secretary of State, National Security Advisor, and Nobel Peace Prize winner really said this it is important to question whose interests the decision makers are acting on behalf of.”

    The words of these men is to make the point that there are people in he world that don’t give a damn about you or anybody else. All they care about is money and power and they are perfectly willing to send others to their doom so long as they get what they want at no risk to themselves.

    You said yourself, that “In the case of AO there was science to back it up that was being ignored.” Who stood to gain from that? Would this not be a case in point that so long as those that stood to gain got away with it, no one else mattered?

    I never said that DU would disfigure someone exposed to it. It causes horribly disfiguring birth defects. There are plenty of images online if you want to google it and see for yourself.

    As for Prince Albert glad to know he’s doing well. Do me a favor and tell the Queen I said Hi.

  18. @JustHearSay says:

    Jonn Lilyea

    You took my use of the word ‘lucky’ out of context. Not everyone has come back in one piece physically, mentally & emotionally. Those who have are ‘lucky’ as in fortunate or blessed.

    As far as Kissinger, what do you have to show that the quote is made up? And I did not need to go back that far to quote someone. I chose him because his words are just as relevant to today as they were at that time and because it was easy to back up that he actually said that.

    I could give you plenty of other quotes how about this one from Hermann Goering? I can’t source it for you because to do that would require me to read german.

    “Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

    Or how bout this one from Heinrich Himmler. It makes a good case for the “war on terror”
    “The best political weapon is the weapon of terror. Cruelty commands respect. Men may hate us. But, we don’t ask for their love; only for their fear.”

  19. NHSparky says:

    Might I suggest you change your name to “JustPulledItOutOfMyAss”?

  20. Old Tanker says:

    Debra

    Do you think it’s true that Iraq is planning to sue the US and Britain over use of depleted uranium?

    We are talking about lawyers, right? You of all people Know this answer, facts be damned. Lead is a good example, but it is one well known and because of it, DU is well scrutinized…

    JHS….if you don’t know better than to put those links up……buhbye…I’m not chasing your links to links to links for you….

  21. Old Tanker says:

    As far as Kissinger, what do you have to show that the quote is made up?

    You HAVE to be kidding, right…..?? JustHearSay said “all soldiers and veterans are dipshit assholes who are mind numbed robots and not worthy of ANY of societies blessings”

    What do you have to show the quote is made up????? No one here can say you made it up so you must be a piece of shit…..cuz I said so…..how freaking lame….

  22. AW1 Tim says:

    Guys….. quit feeding the troll. Its obviously off it’s meds. No one here really cares what it has to say, anyway, so why respond to it?

  23. @JustHearSay says:

    Mike Blankenship

    I take great pride in that name. All the other good names on twitter were taken so I had to really think hard to come up with one that was original and resonated with me. Don’t take it too seriously though. It was intended to be tongue in cheek.

    You are right. I am honest and unpopular ideas are always scoffed at by many. At one time it was just hear say that the earth was round and not flat. You said “if i had a nickel for everyone i’ve seen like you the past forty years” so then surely you must be old enough to remember that at one time accusations of the Gulf of Ton-kin incident were just hear say. But how has that held up over time? Declassified documents support that it is not what Americans were told it was at the time.

    Why do we forget these lessons of history? That maybe our government doesn’t tell us the truth before leading us into a fight? Do you think that things like this don’t happen anymore? Would never happen again?

    What you think my agenda to be I don’t know but I can assure you it is not about ego. I know that there have been people in the past that have led us down the garden path. I know that people like this exist today and will continue to exist for all eternity. I am sure you know his as well. My question to you is why do you continue to follow where others may want to lead you on blind faith.

    Our founding fathers left us with the warning not to believe everything we are told and to question authority. Scrutiny is our safeguard.

  24. @JustHearSay says:

    Old Tanker

    OMG I never said those things. I said that Kissinger said them to which you replied could not be backed up. It is a quote widely attributed to him. Wether someone made it up or not is debatable. Anyone who goes back and reads all the posts can easily see that. Why you decided to diverge from your more reasoned arguments I’ll never know.

  25. Mike Blankenship says:

    JUSTHEARSAY………Gulf of Tonkin happened….get over it….next you’ll be claiming to be a 9-11 Truther….i’m done with your BS….

  26. GI JANE says:

    @JustHearSay Says:

    What is the big deal with being antiwar? Maybe the war really is wrong. Maybe we could protect our country and our borders in other ways without killing 1 million Iraqi civilians. Okay, I’m sure some of you could care less about those civilians even though some may be helpless children.

    What planet are you from? Didn’t 9/11 hit close enough to your own back yard? Do you think muslim terrorists give a shit about “innocent civilians”. Go away and let the adults talk.

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