MoveOn member attacked by Rand Paul supporters
I don’t much like most MoveOn members, either. I’ve debated them, interviewed them and followed their ridiculous antics over the last several years. They are flaming assholes and intellectually vacant. But they don’t deserve this;
Lauren Valle of liberal group MoveOn.org, told Louisville station WDRB she was trying to give Paul a fake award when his supporters took her to the ground.
Well, maybe they deserve it, but that doesn’t mean we should do it. Yeah, I said “we” because we, on the political right own actions like this. Of course, the news isn’t that while SOME Rand Paul supporters defended the woman on the ground, the news is that two or three Rand Paul supporters assaulted the MoveOn minion. Hell, I don’t even support Rand Paul (he supported Adam Kokesh during Kokesh’s primary run in New Mexico), but I guess I own this childish crap because it’s going to get waved in our faces.
I’m pretty sure the woman was doing something to get herself singled out, I know I wouldn’t know a MoveOn creep by the sight of them. But the video gets cut off to hide her recounting of the events – for a very good reason, I’m sure.
Here’s another video in which you can hear Rand Paul supporters pleading with the attackers to stop assaulting the woman which I picked up at Gateway Pundit;
And not to minimize the assault, but she wasn’t “stomped” as the Left contends. And it looks like the guy put his foot on her shoulder, not her head.
Yes, our side has been dealt some assaults, too, but that doesn’t justify this bullshit.
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October 26th, 2010 at 9:06 am
Well, call me a cynic. How do we know this wasn’t staged? After all the shit some people have been subjected to, how do we know? And, if it is real, it is never warranted or right.
October 26th, 2010 at 9:10 am
I’m prepared to believe that this wasn’t staged and that the jackass who attacked this chick is a nutcase who thinks Area 51 has flying saucers and weather control devices. Does that absolve MoveOn whackjobs from their constant agitation? Hardly. But if you continue poking a stick at a caged animal, don’t be surprised when they suddenly decide to relive you of a finger or two.
October 26th, 2010 at 9:31 am
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October 26th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Whatever humor may have ever existed in our political process, it is gone now. This is a pretty good indication that tensions are going to be running high between now and oh…probably about 2012.
Frightened animals are dangerous. Even us.
October 26th, 2010 at 11:17 am
I don’t care if you’re left/right/middle or blue/red/purple, this sort of juvenile, animalistic behavior has no place in our discourse, period.
And unlike some other “groups” of people, I’m calling horseshit on it right now and stating that it does not accurately represent me as a conservative.
October 26th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Those guys need to have their asses kicked.
October 26th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Moveon asshole gets stomped a bit. GOOD. The stakes are entirely too high to do that moral high road shit that got us screwed every time we did it in the past. The governance of the country is too important to be polite over, particularly if we are about to sink.
The reason assholes such as Moron.org, the Phelps cult, the Black Panthers, Code Pink,etc, etc, etc, keep doing their stupid shit is because they know there will be no consequences for their actions. If a few more of them went to the hospital, much of their nonsense would stop, because they don’t really believe in it, they just like to act like children. Some folks thrash their kids when they do stupid antisocial shit. Then they learn not to be that way. Same here. This chickie got roughly handled and did not get hurt, but I bet she thinks twice before the next ignorant stunt, don’t you? That would mean they made her smarter by a bit.
October 26th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
USMC Steve, she won’t learn. Gateway Pundit has the goods on her and calls her a “professional activist”. He has a blog post on her recent ‘activities’ down in the Gulf with the oil spill.
October 26th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
The Left cheers this on when they do it to conservatives and then plays the helpless victim when their bullying gets met with push back. Sorry, I have no sympathy for this long-time harassing activist (did you see on Gateway Pundit some of the BS she has done in her activist career?).
The Left has been getting away with their BS violent tactics in politics for way too long. And they keep pushing the envelope, getting worse and worse and worse (slashing tires of campaign vans in 2004, sending out the Black Panthers to intimidate in 2008, harassing voters who supported Prop 8 in CA, harassing the families of banks at their homes). They do it on purpose to send a message to their opponents to silence them and prevent them from getting involved in politics and voting at all. Well, maybe this will send the message that their opponents are done taking their crap.
That said, what’s the big deal? Obama said that we should punish our political enemies. So they’re just acting on the wonderful example set by our messiah President.
October 26th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
A-freaking-men to everything said by USMC Steve.
October 26th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
And Trent is correct. This activist chick won’t learn, but this sends a message to other Leftists that the Right is not taking their BS anymore. And so others will think twice before starting something now. Bullies back down when you stand up to them. For decades, the Right has taken ‘the high road’ and we’ve been rewarded with escalation of hate, vitriol and violence among the Left, along with a gangster government full of socialists, communists and Marxists. The time for “taking the high road” is over.
Now, don’t misunderstand, I’m not calling for anarchy. What I am calling for is standing up to activist bullying and not taking their shit anymore. They get in our face, instead of laughing them off or walking away, we get right back in their face and tell them off, and let them clearly understand that we are not going to be bullied by them anymore.
October 26th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Here’s the GP post about this activist’s history.
October 26th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
I guess teabaggers are the new brownshirts.
October 26th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
I just have two observations. First, it wasn’t Rand Paul supporters who were overly aggresive, it was one Rand Paul supporter. From what we see in the video, two or three others take her down about as gently as you possibly can with a resisting adult, all the while calling for someone to get the police.
Secondly, you say if they’d shown the rest of the clip her it probably wouldn’t have made her look very good. I think it would be much more instructive to see video prior to that clip. We know for a fact that leftists have a long history of physically attacking conservatives at public forums. It may well be the case that her actions indicated that she planned to do something more than give Paul a fake award.
October 26th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
You know that AndyN. They just didn’t let her get up in his face. And given that these turds never get stungunned or thrown in jail for like six months or a year, they just keep on doing it. We have to find their pain threshold and exceed it, so they might stop being idiots.
October 26th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Here’s what I have heard on our local news (we’re not too far from where this occurred), plus a little background.
Rand Paul is a jerk. At their last debate, he stormed off the stage, refusing to shake his opponent’s hand. It hasn’t gotten any prettier since, although personally, he was a little more calm last night.
The MoveOn chick was trying to get a picture of herself handing Paul an “employee of the month” award which she planned on using in a smear campaign against him.
Scum is scum… but even as much as she may have deserved the smack-down, it was unacceptable behavior. The stomping has been denounced by the Paul campaign.
October 26th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Picture this…A woman, wearing a disguise is carying a sign protesting a politician…as he walks by, said woman shoves her way through the crowd toward that politician, while carying an unknown object in her outstretched hand…what would you do?
October 26th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Scum is scum… but even as much as she may have deserved the smack-down, it was unacceptable behavior. The stomping has been denounced by the Paul campaign.
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She deserved everything she got, except the foot on her shoulder. And you can clearly hear someone say “no no no, come on” to the guy doing it, to tell him to stop doing that.
She was in disguise and going at a political candidate with an unidentified object. She sure as hell should have been taken down as she was. And she wasn’t even taken down very roughly. She was carefully brought to the ground and then held there while waiting for police to take her away. Without watching the video and just reading what people are saying about this, they make it to be as if a bunch of Rand Paul supporters were stomping on this chick. That was not the case AT ALL. They took action to stop her going at Mr. Paul, carefully brought her to the ground and then ONE guy put his foot on her shoulder and pressed down before taking it off her after another person told him to cut it out.
Ooooh! Major scandal! Give me a gawddamned break.
The people there did the right thing. They took down a perceived threat to a political candidate. Had this happened to a politician in office, the secret service detail would have handled her much worse.
This is nothing and being blown up into a ‘scandal’ by the Left, because they are desperate. They can’t debate us on the issues, so they send out their pathetic activists to pull bullshit stunts like this.
STOP falling for this bullshit. The focus should not be ONE guy putting his foot on her shoulder and shoving it down, the focus should be on the fact that these jackass activists have NOTHING on which to debate, so they pull jackass stunts like this.
October 26th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Throwing a woman to the ground, stomping on her, then walking away is not restraining the idiot out of fear she may do something drastic.
October 26th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
And condoning the actions of those who did take her down does not mean you can’t say the asshat who stepped on her head wasn’t in the wrong.
He’s just as much of an idiot as the chick on the ground.
October 26th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Welcome Atlanta Journal Constitution readers.
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Wow. The stupid is strong over there in the comments. From the ironically named “One Nation Under educated”:
8 lies you will hear all day long on the wingnut echo chamber
1. Obama tripled the deficit (No: it is lower than in Bush’s last budget)
2. Obama raised taxes (No: the “stimulus” contained a big tax cut)
3. Obama bailed out the banks (No: the bailout happened before Obama took office)
4. The “stimulus” failed (No: the CBO estimates it created 1-3 million jobs)
5. Businesses will hire if they get tax cuts (No: They will hire when they sell more products)
6. Health-insurance reform will cost $1 trillion (No: the CBO says it will save $138 billion)
7. Social security is a Ponzi scheme (No: it will continue to be solvent for 25 years)
8. Government spending takes money out of the economy (No: govt buys stuff and hires people)
And to think, people like this cancel out our votes. Ugh…
October 26th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
AFSister…you do realize why he wouldn’t shake the guys hand don’t you? The whole “Rand Paul kidnapped a woman and forced her to swear allegiance to his god aquabuddha” commercial? The last ad I heard from his opponent claims he doesn’t want black people to eat in the same restaurant as white people. Would you shake your opponents hand if he said that about you? Personally, I’d probably break his hand if he held it out to me…
October 26th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Would you shake your opponents hand if he said that about you? Personally, I’d probably break his hand if he held it out to me…
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We need more of that attitude from Republicans in Congress (not the hand-breaking, but just refusing to extend any respect to someone who hasn’t earned it at all). The fact is that the Democrats are not our friends. I’ve had enough with Republicans like McCain and Grahmnesty and such going around saying the Democrats are their “esteemed colleagues” or “my good friend” blah blah f-ing blah.
It is FAR past time that we stop extending our hands across the aisle when all that happens is the Democrats chop them off and laugh in our faces. When the other side is made up of a bunch of slimey, smearing, corrupt POSes who give respect to no one, it is time to treat them as the despicable trash that they are.
If we had that kind of kick-ass attitude in the GOP previously, maybe we wouldn’t be in this shitty situation in the country now, because we would have actually had someone in Washington standing up to the Democrat thugs and calling them on their BS and corruption.
October 26th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Is it my imagination, or does the guy doing the “stomping” look very similar to this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPmxWLXnAB4
I’m thinking Agent Provocateur
October 26th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
I think the guys foot may have slipped and went down to her head. I could not see were this could have cause her any injury. I have to agree it it time that we stop playing nice. It just does not work. I agree totally with USMC Steve.
October 26th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Too bad he wasn’t wearing steel-toed Redwings or at least a pair of Corcorans.
October 26th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
Jonn is right and he deserves credit for saying what he did. This isn’t ok.
I don’t think people like USMC Steve would be saying the same stuff if it was a conservative who was thrown to the ground, held and had a boot forcefully pushed on a persons neck and lower head while on pavement. It is called assault. What if this was a black panter “pushing” on the head a of a gently put to the ground conservative? You don’t have to answer, I can just imagine it.
If your opinion changes based on the political view of the injured or attacker you are a hypocrite and a political hack.
October 26th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
I am finding that I have even less respect than ever for some of the commenters on this blog. There’s always been a lot of ugliness here, which in the past I would excuse in my own mind as a result of PTSD or whatever, but now I see that the root issue here is probably one of moral character because some of you have conveyed by your ugly words that you don’t even have respect for the rule of law.
October 26th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
If your opinion changes based on the political view of the injured or attacker you are a hypocrite and a political hack.
If a conservative were doing something stupid like this, I’d be calling him/her out as well. I don’t care what side of the political aisle on which you stand, you don’t put on a costume and then rush towards a politician in a threatening manner. If you do so, you deserve any punishment you get from either law enforcement on scene or citizens taking it upon themselves to protect the politician.
Fortunately, we won’t have to find out what people would say were a conservative to do something stupid like this, because conservatives don’t have any radical political activist groups like Moveon, the SEIU thugs, etc who deliberately do stupid crap like this. Conservative groups are focused on policies and grassroots organization and getting people involved in politics the right way, not through stupid stunts and public disobedience.
October 26th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
“conservatives don’t have any radical political activist groups like Moveon, the SEIU thugs, etc who deliberately do stupid crap like this. Conservative groups are focused on policies and grassroots organization and getting people involved in politics the right way, not through stupid stunts and public disobedience”
Oh Michael, you have a call…he says his name is “Fake ACORN Pimp”
Should I put it on speaker?
October 26th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Oh Michael, you have a call…he says his name is “Fake ACORN Pimp”
You’re comparing the “fake ACORN Pimp” exposing ACORN corruption by… talking to ACORN employees… to liberal groups who engage in terrorism, assault and defacing property? Seriously? Nice try.
October 26th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Hey, speaking of your favorite “fake ACORN pimp”, Wayne, here’s his latest work: Governor Chris Christie Plugs James O’Keefe’s “Teachers Gone Wild” Video
You’ll notice no violence or assault or blowing up of buildings or defacing property. He simply catches the Left on camera in their most honest moments in order to expose them. But, yeah, that’s the same as what the radical Moveon.org and GreenPeace political activist does on a regular basis. Right.
October 26th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Wayne = Joe? Or do they share the same keyboard and toothbrush? Inquiring minds want to know.
October 27th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Michael in MI wrote, “…you don’t put on a costume and then rush towards a politician in a threatening manner. If you do so, you deserve any punishment you get from either law enforcement on scene or citizens taking it upon themselves to protect the politician.”
Taking the law into your own hands to “punishing” someone on the streets outside of a court of law falls into the realm of criminal offense. It’s called assault and battery, whether done by citizens or by the police, neither of whom have impunity to “punish” anyone. What you are advocating is thuggery and lawlessness.
October 27th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Come on Michael, I watched the whole “teachers gone wild” video….ummm
Is that supposed to hard-hitting, embarrassing or even funny? Sounded like some teachers blowing off some steam over drinks…talking bullshit. Nothing to see there. Hell the part where they are talking about the struggles of using non-violent crisis intervention tactics against violent kids makes them look downright sympathetic.
I was really hoping to see something funny. I enjoy a good laugh…even at my side’s expense. What a let-down.
And dude, you’ve gotta stop with the hyperbole. MoveOn has been involved in terrorism? Really?
Just because someone has different political views means that they are out to literally destroy you. You’ve got the bring the rhetoric down a few thousand degrees.
We’re all Americans. We really shouldn’t be to the point where we’re making excuses for grown men shoving a lady to the ground and putting their foot her head because she’s got a different point of view.
If you’re one of the vets on this blog…you gotta remember the whole reason you wear that uniform is for that lady on the ground; her right to be free to say whatever is on her mind without getting kicked literally to the curb.
We don’t do that here in America. There’s no place for it.
October 27th, 2010 at 1:08 am
her right to be free to say whatever is on her mind without getting kicked literally to the curb.
No one has a right to radical political activism without consequences for their actions. Military members are not fighting for anyone’s right to pull stupid political stunts with impunity. She put on a wig and went to move towards a political candidate with some object in her hand. She was beyond suspicious.
If she was just standing there shouting at Rand Paul and got taken down, that’s another thing altogether and I would agree her right to protest was infringed upon. But that’s not at all what happened. She wasn’t restrained for simply having a different point of view.
You change this scenario around to some wackjob Obama-hater who dons a wig and goes to rush towards the President in a similar fashion and no one would be questioning when the Secret Service took down the potential assailant in a similar fashion as was done here.
And you may want to look up the definition of “literally”. She wasn’t “kicked to the curb”, she was restrained, put to the ground and then some jackass put his foot on her shoulder and pushed down on her once, and stopped immediately when the others there told him to knock it off. You and the rest of the people blowing this up into a scandal act as if she was beaten to the ground and repeatedly kicked.
And there’s no place for a lot of things here in America, first and foremost, radical political activist activities like this Moveon.org chick participates in on a regular basis. No military member wears their uniform in order to protect this chick’s right to deface property and participate in public disobedience with impunity.
October 27th, 2010 at 1:09 am
Here is proof that this assault was not a MoveOn orchestrated hoax. You guys here should trust the source, it’s “fair and balanced”
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/26/rand-paul-supporter-apologizes-scuffle-outside-debate/?test=latestnews
Seems like the jackbooted thug pounding the lady into the curb is major Paul campaign contributor and organizer…that’s a euphemism for “political operative”.
So we’ve got political operatives assaulting political opponents in the streets.
Is this still America 2010? Or have we arrived in Germany 1933?
October 27th, 2010 at 1:16 am
What you are advocating is thuggery and lawlessness.
No, what the LEFT advocates is thuggery and lawlessness (they even broadcast it on their websites, telling their sheep followers to go to townhalls and TEA Party rallies and cause trouble). What *I* and the majority of the Right advocates is preventing thuggery and lawlessness. What you are suggesting is to just let suspicious people dressed up in costumes and rushing at politicians to have free reign and simply allow them to pull their stunts and no one should do anything to stop them. Brilliant.
Newsflash: law enforcement cannot protect everyone from everything. We, the People, have to protect ourselves. And We, the People, have to protect others when law enforcement is not around to do so.
There was no “thuggery” or “lawlessness” in this situation, except by the ONE guy who put his foot on her shoulder and got in a free shot, before the others there told him to knock it off. Other than the action of ONE jackass, the only “lawlessness” was this stupid radical political activist deliberately causing a scene. She was taken down to prevent any potential harm to Rand Paul.
If this were Barack Obama who was being protected, I wonder if you and others defending this chick would feel differently. Something tells me you would. Unless you’re now going to say that any nutjob should be allowed near the President.
October 27th, 2010 at 1:23 am
So we’ve got political operatives assaulting political opponents in the streets.
No one here has suggested this was a hoax. What most have explained is that this was a deliberate attempt by a Moveon.org and GreenPeace radical political activist to cause trouble at a Rand Paul rally. Fortunately, before she was able to do anything, she was restrained by people at the rally and kept away from Rand Paul. Unfortunately, ONE JACKASS took the liberty of putting his foot on her shoulder to hold her down and then got in ONE jab with his foot, until told to knock it off by the others there.
Technically, that is assault, but you make it sound like she was thrown to the ground and gang raped by a bunch of KKK members and left for dead. She was carefully restrained, brought to the ground and then ONE jackass got in one foot jab to the shoulder. Then it was over. Was it wrong? Yes. Was it a scandal? No. The fact that you people are working your asses off to turn this into a major scandal shows how pathetically desperate you are. You can’t debate Rand Paul on the issues, you have to send your paid political operatives in to try to cause a ‘scandal’.
October 27th, 2010 at 1:26 am
“There was no ‘thuggery’ or ‘lawlessness’ in this situation, except by the ONE guy who put his foot on her shoulder and got in a free shot, before the others there told him to knock it off.”
Okay, thank you; that was all I wanted to hear. That is quite a bit different than some previous statements made on this thread (yours and others) which came off sounding like a defense of what is actually unlawful behavior.
No one is suggesting that self-defense or protection of public figures should not be the normal practice. I think we do agree on what should be the correct principle, which is simply to use the minimum amount of force that is necessary.
October 27th, 2010 at 1:51 am
Problem is, Debra, for far too long the left HAS in fact used thuggery and lawlessness to advance their cause with the knowledge we wouldn’t fight fire with fire. We’ve simply grown tired of their childish antics and the complete unwillingness of the legal system to punish those who do transgress.
As Sam Kinnison said, “I don’t condone it, but I UNDERSTAND it!”
October 27th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
you disagree with someone based on your deeply held beliefs. you miscontrue the exercise of speech. thus violence is ok? sounds like jihad.
the guys said they knew her and her tactics, hardly seemed they thought she was a threat rather than just not liking what she was saying.
October 27th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
the guys said they knew her and her tactics
Yeah, she has a long history of getting arrested for radical activism. Thus, she was definitely a threat to do something, they just were not sure what. So they decided to not wait around to find out and restrained her when she started going towards Rand Paul.
Sounds like jihad? If you’re talking about the radical activist chick’s history, you may have a point. If you’re talking about what the Rand Paul supporters did, you’re an idiot.
October 27th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
J,
I have yet to see any conservative act like an asshole to the level of any of the massive number of liberals who throw pies, assault conservatives, disrupt congress in its business, make “citizen’s arrests” at book signings etc, etc, etc, but if they act stupid I have even less sympathy for them because unlike the retarded fucks of the left, I EXPECT BETTER FROM THEM. They can grasp right and wrong as concepts.
Debra: The rule of law ceased when Nobama and a bunch of Marxist Leftist liberals took over the government. SEIU has committed multiple felonies, and Holder blows it off. States like Arizona try to pass laws to enforce the laws the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT not only refuses to do but they are actively resisted by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT from trying to secure their own borders and ensuring the safety of their citizens, as the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT does. The president declares WAR on conservatives, Republicans and anyone who does not kiss his ass and bow to his manifesto of leftist ideals. Getting the point now? Can you even begin to grasp it?
Wayne:
I didn’t put 20 years in the Corps to protect ANYONE’S right to act like a fucking idiot. If that is how they express their opinion they have already lost the damned argument because they are making no sense. There is no vested right to be a dumbass. And doing stuff like this just might get one’s ass kicked but you can bet she didn’t expect it to happen. Actions have consequences and she just might have learned that. Or not. But you can bet she didn’t expect it because she thought she would get away with harassing someone, since in the past conservatives (or Paul supporters…they can be a bit different) never did anything to restrain them.
The one guy who showed her the sole of his shoe was wrong to do so. But it never could have happened if Angelina Asshole had not decided to pull a moron.org stunt. No sympathy.
And to all out there. Look at the oath of enlistment. You ain’t in there at all. Nor are we paid to die for you. It ain’t in there.
“I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
This is not an oath to defend any specific territory or persons or property. This is an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.
October 27th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Here is the relevant part of the Constitution that you were sworn to defend that protects a person’s right to “act like an idiot” (which is your bullshit interpretation of what she was doing, not mine):
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
That’s the First Amendment, for all of you don’t have a clue.
She had every right to exercise her right to freedom of speech, by holding a sign and trying to embarrass a political candidate for his links to corporate interests.
You don’t like the content of her speech…tough titties. She still has the right to say it.
You swore to defend the Constitution…the Constitution swore to defend this woman’s right to free speech.
Therefore you swore to defend this woman’s right to free speech.
October 27th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Uh Wayne….Does this mean #Mossburg590=1stamendmentright?…just askin…
October 27th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
@NHSparky (#41), can you be more specific as to any cases you’re aware of in which the left used acts of violence against individuals on the right in their exercise of free speech? I’m not defending leftist politics and I don’t have a lot of trouble flipping back and forth between conservatism and libertarianism. I’m merely asking for any facts that you might have…which I suspect would be as skewed as Michael in MI’s conflation of old-fashioned American street activism with jiihadism. It’s hard to take a man seriously whos is asserting that this woman posed a serious threat to the safety of others. Especially a 20-year lifer Marine, for crying out loud…
October 27th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
“…which I suspect would be as skewed as Michael in MI’s conflation of old-fashioned American street activism with jiihadism.”
You aren’t too good at detecting sarcasm. I was responding to the idiotic claim by “J” of “sounds like jihad”. You know, respond to absurdity with absurdity in order to make a point? Went over your head, I guess.
“can you be more specific as to any cases you’re aware of in which the left used acts of violence against individuals on the right in their exercise of free speech?”
You obviously haven’t paid much attention the past 10 years.
Case 1: The Town Halls of August
Case 2: Torch-wielding leftists at UC Berkeley attack chancellor’s home [Scroll down this post to find 9 videos of other examples]
Case 3: Tomato Man: Another addition to the Unhinged mugshot collection
Case 4: This is what mob rule looks like [6 video examples in post]
Case 5: The insane rage of the same-sex marriage mob
Case 6: Special report: Tracing the Left’s escalating war on military recruiters [Scroll for numerous examples going back to 2005]
Case 7: A bomb threat against the Gathering of Eagles Update: Meet the IVAW jerk ; Update: More threats to “waste” counterprotesters
Case 8: Look who’s “gripped by insane rage” [Scroll down for numerous mugshots and descriptions of why these people were arrested and are posing for mugshots]
Case 9: Radical mob forces cancellation of Ann Coulter speech
Case 10: Radical mob storms stage during Tom Tancredo speech
I can provide plenty more, but I’m hungry, so it’s off to make dinner. But there should be plenty here for you to read and research.
October 27th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Okay, Michael in MI, help me out a little bit here now since, as you can obviously see, I need a lot of help. I’m busy right now mashing up a baked pumpkin to make some pumpkin custard and I just can’t be going through all these links looking for which ones are specifically of MoveOn.org members. I’m no fan of MoveOn; just asking.
October 27th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
You said “cases in which the left used violence against individuals on the right”. I provided them. Now you’re changing things to “ones are specifically of Moveon.org members”. I’m not about to do your research for you, especially when you keep changing the rules of what you want.
If you want to know something, then do the damn research yourself, Debra.
October 27th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
I guess Debra has been asleep at the switch since 2001.
October 27th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Yah, Sparky, that’s right…
Michael, there’s no need for you to be getting all rude and start cussing at me. I’m merely asking for you provide evidence to support your broad, sweeping statements. That’s what critical thinking requires. I looked so far at about the first half of the links you provided and I note that Michelle Malkin is not exactly an objective, unbiased source of information. That said, I’m acutely aware that there are some extreme elements of the left who consider violence to be acceptable. It has also been my observation that the larger mainstream segment of liberal activists do not. I would consider MoveOn.org to be relatively mainstream liberal pablum, basically a tool of the Democratic Party. So within that segment, I have seen no support for the contention or insinuation that the MoveOn.org woman who was assaulted at the Rand Paul event posed a physical threat of violence to any individual at that event, including Rand Paul.
It has also been my personal experience that right-wing antogonists are quick to use profanity and threats against completely peaceful, non-violent activists. In words, the same thing occurs on TAH, over and over again. That’s just the reality, sad but true.
October 27th, 2010 at 8:26 pm
Debra, if you want examples of the left being unhinged, profane and threatening, please see any of Claymore’s forays into DU land. And, Michael’s right, you asked for examples of “the left”, not MoveOn. After you get the links, then you qualify what you sought? Talk about moving goal posts.
And you equate MoveOn, “General Betrayus”org to be “relatively mainstream liberal pablum”? Come to think of it, yeah, they are pretty mainstream liberal.
October 27th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Hey TheOldOne,
Your right to own a Mossburg590 is covered by the 2nd amendment, not the 1st.
What this means is you can own ‘em, hunt with ‘em, use them to protect your home or your person…whatever you want as long as it is in accordance with the laws of your state. But you can’t brandish one in order to “send someone a message” and think your display is covered by the 1st amendment…it’s not. You would be guilty of a crime.
Hope that clears that one up for you. I am a true-blue Liberal, that means I believe in the rigorous enforcement of the ENTIRE Constitution as the protector of individual rights and political/numerical minorities. The 2nd Amendment should be embraced by all Liberals as an individual right that deserves staunch defense.
#intellectuallyconsistentliberalanddamnproudofit
October 27th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
But you can’t brandish one in order to “send someone a message” and think your display is covered by the 1st amendment…it’s not. You would be guilty of a crime.
Two words, clueless–”castle doctrine”.
October 27th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
I apologize that it appeared I was moving the goal post. It certainly wasn’t my intention. I simply wasn’t clear enough in the first place that I expected to see examples comparable to the large middle part within the liberal spectrum (i.e., at least not potential terrorists or even non-violent far left extremists), similar to, or the same as, the type of group we were talking about in the first place, which is MoveOn.org. Now you may not like MoveOn – and it certainly isn’t my cup of tea (heh
) – but you can’t equate them with, for example, the black bloc anarchists of Portland, Oregon. Not the same thing. Now admittedly, they may all in fact be socialists, or nearly so, but there can still be a broad range even within that realm with regard to what is considered to be appropriate and acceptable activist behavior.
October 27th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
You can’t equate them, yet funny how they seem to show up at the same places at the same times, isn’t it?
October 27th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Sparky, you’re disappointing me with your reading comprehension skills. I’ll go slow this time…see if you can follow along, m’kay?
I said,
“….you can own ‘em, hunt with ‘em, use them to protect your home or your person…whatever you want as long as it is in accordance with the laws of your state”.
The “Castle Doctrine” is the law in certain states…and ensures your ability to use your gun to protect your home or your person. See ^^^^^ I covered that part up there already.
Stay with me, now….
I said you can’t display your gun “to send someone a message”, and think that that is a 1st amendment protected display of speech. It isn’t.
For instance, say some big beefy Black dude has been “dating” your sweet innocent daughter very, very well, and you really don’t like that, because y’know…well….he’s Black. And big. And beefy. So you decide to go have a chat with him to voice your displeasure with the situation with your trusty Mossburg590 because y’know…well….he’s Black. And big. And beefy.
You’d have a hard time explaining to the sherriff after the standoff with the SWAT standing around, that you really just took along the Mossburg to “send a message” to Big Beefy Black, and that message was just some “speech” that is protected under the 1st Amendment. Between munches on the doughnuts, they’re gonna laugh their asses off. Later, while you’re on your way to the county lockup, they’ll get your daughter’s number from Big Beefy.
Still with me?…alrighty then!
October 27th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
*Mossberg.
Dog#
October 27th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
Dear Wayne,
Lemme put this out to you in terms YOU can understand. Oh, by the way, nice “black beefy” analogy. Guess it’s not hard to see who the racist is here, or at least the race-baiter. Frankly, I wouldn’t care much WHO or what the melatonin level of the person sexually assaulting my underage daughter was, his life would be very unpleasant.
See, even in states WITHOUT “castle doctrine” laws (such as mine, believe it or not), I’m still allowed to shoot any sonofabitch having their way with my daughter (whether she said yes or no is irrelevant given her age) in my house because justifiable homicide states that I can do so in order to prevent a sexual assault or other felonies being committed by him on my property (not just my house.)
Now, am I allowed to follow him to his house with my shall-issue CCW permit and Smith and Wesson Model 1911 .45 pistol and threaten him? No, but if I were to see him accosting my daughter in a public place despite verbal warnings not to do so, I’m perfectly within my rights to place him under a citizen’s arrest until lawful authority (that would be “da po-po”) arrives to haul his ass off to the local jail. At that point, no sane DA would have the stones to file charges against me if he wanted reelection, nor would any grand jury return anything against me besides a “no-bill”. (That means no charges, in case you were wondering.)
Following me so far?
But then again, in liberal paradises such as the shithole in which you apparently infest, your police are in fact more interested in that new pumpkin-flavored donut over at Dunkin than actually enforcing the law and defending law-abiding citizens. Kinda reminds me of just one of the reasons I left the DPRK (Demokratik People’s Republik of Kalifornistan) lo these many years ago. Criminals were running the state, letting criminals run wild, and assholes like you kept perpetuating it.
Oh, and Mossberg? Pfft. Remington 12-ga Super Express 870. 18 1/2 inch barrel, 4+1 rounds of 2 3/4″ or 3″ 00 buckshot. Very effective.
#thisismyboomstick
October 28th, 2010 at 12:29 am
Good answer, Sparky! I like the way you think!
I’m jus’ fuggin with ‘ya. That’s the way not to get sucked in…don’t take the bait.
I’m a Dad too and I’d do no less myself.
October 28th, 2010 at 10:57 am
Not even close, Clemmons. The protection of the Constitution is the protection of the document and its concepts. Not the protection of the personnel seeking to use or abuse its protections. The military could even be turned against Americans and has before. Look up what happened to the veterans who marched on DC to try to get their peace bonuses promised to them by another muthafucking DEMOCRAT. MacArthur and the Army went in and busted them up, killing several. And what she did could easily be considered assault after seeing her try to lunge into the open window of Paul’s car. Harassment of anyone is a crime. Thus it is not protected behavior. Granted he is now a public figure, so it means he cannot sue when someone insults or maligns him, but her behavior was screwed, period.