Citadel still running pansies out of the Corps of Cadets

| June 16, 2011 | 134 Comments

Oh, boo-fricken-hoo.

Christopher Kibbee expected The Citadel to be tough.

He didn’t expect abuse, harassment and hazing from older cadets who held leadership positions, or the other knobs who were trying to emulate them. That’s what the 20-year-old from Saegertown, Pa., said he got when he enrolled at the state’s military college in 2009.

Kibbee, who left The Citadel after one semester, said upperclass cadets told him to jump off the top floor of the barracks (which he didn’t do), denied him meals, threatened to cut him, trashed his room and glued the pages of his Bible together.

Former Citadel cadet Christopher Kibbee said this photograph was taken in the fall of 2009 soon after an upperclass cadet repeatedly drove an unsharpened pencil into his forehead, a move that sent him to the infirmary.

Physical hazing of first-year students, known as knobs for their extremely short haircuts, has been entrenched at The Citadel for decades. The school has made strong efforts to stop hazing among the Corps in recent years, requiring all cadets to take classes on proper behavior.

Lest I be accused of beating around the bush, Christopher Kibbee is a total pussy, and I am glad his punk ass left my school.

Look, when I was a senior in High School, my dad told me that I had to have a college lined up by Christmas, or I was not wrestling that year. I went to the guidance office, tossed a bunch of info into a computer and it spit out “The Citadel” which I had never heard of. Content, I told my dad that that was where I was going.

No, I had no fricken clue it was a military school. When I found out, I thought it would be like Enders Game type shit. Then I went down for pre-knob weekend, where you stay with a knob and see what it is like. My pre-knob was Beau Turner, son of Ted Turner, and he got the shit beat out of him every night I was there. Rather than deter me from attending, I knew then I had to go. Because the place scared the every love crap out of me, and if I didn’t go, I knew I would always find myself wanting as a man. Wasn’t fun, but I finished.

Now look, I’m no advocate FOR hazing. It is what it is. However, this little panty waste at ANY POINT could have gone to his TAC officer and said, “hey, dudes are doing psychotic shit to me.” He didn’t. And that is the reason I am glad he is out, not that he should have submitted to the hazing.

Every now and again I remember James Darren Byers. I can barely remember my own name most the time, but from the day I got to the Citadel, I had a VERY healthy fear of that man. Mind you, the facts probably don’t match my recollection, but he had to have been 6-3, about 105 lbs, with no blood, except what he drank from the neck of knobs he killed. The day I got there some dude said about me “Oh man, Byers is going to be pissed at this kid, this one may be the only person uglier on campus.” Hard to argue, I had coke bottle glasses, a scar from ear to ear, and a plastic nose. One time I had to report to Byers’ room. I was so scared I forgot to announce myself and request permission to enter, and just ran in. It was the scariest thing I ever saw. Dude was brushing his teeth in his underwear and his head slowly pivotted to me, and in his Carolina accent he just quietly noted “wow did you just fuck up.”

I wanted to quit that night.

But I didn’t. And not later when they kicked the shit out of me either. Nor when I had to exist on grits for about a week. Nor the next year, when I again walked over 100 tours. Nor the next 100 I walked. Not even my last year when I was arrested riding the Coburg Milk Cow butt ass naked on ring night. (And Harvey Dick, Col, 1 ea, called my dad and forgot my name and just kept calling me Delbert Dumbass.) Not even when I walked tours for the 24 hours leading up to graduation, as my grandmother on her first foray out of Maine stood at the portcullis and cried.

Anyway, all that crap I put up with is what made me what I am today, albeit a deeply flawed and mental person. Ask my wife, or anyone else that knows me, I don’t even speed, because every time I so much as veered over the line at The Citadel, there was Col Dick calling me Dumbass again.

I can’t say I am glad that this kid got hazed. But I am real glad he left before he got a chance to get a mans ring. Let him go to Clemson, he’s not cut out to be a whole man.

UPDATE: I googled him, and turns out he also is a lawyer now.

I think I may have peed a little just watching his commercial:

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  1. McKenzie A. M. Pepper says:

    If You honestly think you would survive a Pledge/Frat exp… and not survive The Citadel you are in-denial of life and you need to commit suicide.

  2. Romans12:1-2 says:

    There is SO MUCH MORE TO LIFE!

  3. Anonymous says:

    You Pre knobed with Beau Turner? my cousin was his roommate all four years!

  4. USMC says:

    Graduated from El Cid in 2008 – I am a Captain now in the United States Marine Corps. Every day I have to deal with stress that normal civilians do not have to deal with, and every day I thank The Citadel for building my character to withstand any and all stresses. The MILITARY COLLEGE OF SOUTH CAROLINA …. if you can’t handle it, don’t go.

  5. Ukodus says:

    I remember Beau Turner. I also remember Mr. Byers. Was a knob his senior year. Scared me too.

  6. Gnar Rule says:

    As a Citadel grad (undergrad) and Clemson grad (graduate), tell that bitch neither school wants him. go to coastal

  7. Brandon says:

    I’m sure Byers doesn’t remember me, because i made every effort to not be noticed. First time Romeo 92 was introduced to Byers was Knob Showers. The build up to Byers didn’t reach the fear of just seeing him. His eyes were red as fire, and everything about him was in slow motion. Did anyone else notice the Cadre Corporals wouldn’t approach him?

    After 20 years, there’s much I have forgotten, but I have never forgotten the first time I saw Byers.

  8. TSO says:

    Scariest human being ever.

  9. Jojo says:

    I understand that this is the way to prepare men and women for the military and war. However, it’s sad that the way to do it is to turn them into killing machines with lack of compassion for all humans. What’s even sadder is that the majority of these people end up staying that way even when they are not in the military or at war anymore. Also, as a woman who has survived horrific challenges throughout my life, including natural childbirth three times, I highly resent that men use female references to imply weakness. Also, using words such as “douche bag, pussy,” etc., referring to women’s body parts and natural bodily processes is ridiculous to force men to be stronger is so archaic! Hmmmm…I wonder what they say to the women…? “You limp dick?” “You sorry ass whose balls hang in the toilet?”

  10. Twist says:

    “it’s sad that the way to do it is to turn them into killing machines with lack of compassion for all humans. What’s even sadder is that the majority of these people end up staying that way even when they are not in the military or at war anymore.”

    You have absolutly no idea what the hell you are talking about. You are one of the reasons I wish that Starbucks didn’t have free WiFi.

    Please don’t hurt yourself when you fall off of your high horse.

  11. Hondo says:

    Bingo, Twist. She obviously never hear MacArthur’s observation on how soldiers view war and peace:

    “The soldier above all others prays for peace, for it is the soldier who must suffer and bear the deepest wounds and scars of war.”

  12. Sam Havelock says:

    I didnt think the hazing was all that bad, but then again, in 198 ii was over in 1st bn where life was good and the livin’ was easy.

    Shit, dont send this to chris miller or jim lechner, i dont want their memories to be distorted when they eventually convalesce together on an assisted living porch in mt pleasant. God love em.

    Ha!

    Sam.

    • Charlie 92 says:

      Oh Sam, LOL you kidder. 1st BN was hardly easy. Jim Lechner and Dan Dennis had me nearly peeing my pants every day.

      But you….oh man. “Hey Knob, why don’t you go ask Mr. Havelock if you can take his sister to the dance?”

      I thought you were going to murder me.

  13. Anonymous says:

    Didn’t graduate from either VMI or Citadel, just think its funny that the grads can’t tell the difference in the picture.

  14. TSO says:

    Those are Summerall Guards of El Cid, are they not? The Shako certainly looks like our own.

  15. Kerrigan C., 17 says:

    I’m starting at The Citadel this August for electrical engineering! Couldn’t be any more psyched, even with knob year looming over my head. If it’ll turn me into a better man at the end, then it’s completely worth it in my book. I’m not leaving without that ring!

  16. Smoke says:

    Kerrigan, i am proud of you…Get your ring!!! The Long Grey lLne awaits you…

  17. O'Sullivan B Co says:

    “Lest I be accused of beating around the bush, Christopher Kibbee is a total pussy, and I am glad his punk ass left my school.” haha. it is what it is and if you aint anyway apart of it…(the random ppl on here boo hoo-in) get it in and mind your own business. its a choice and a brotherhood

  18. Jdf says:

    That picture is most certainly not VMI, and The Citadel fired the first shots of the war between the states. Idk what in the world that idiot is talking about. It’s the Summerall Guards, you can tell by the Prussian high step and Springfield rifles. You think VMI is some bulwark of academics? Granted, VMI has had more Rhode Scholars per capita, but their corps is half the size. The guy who wrote the article went to wake forest law. Anyway, what a moron.

  19. Beast says:

    Attrition is the mission.

  20. Steadfast&Loyal says:

    All I can say is having my ass chewed alive by my Ranger Drill in ROTC was perhaps the best motivator ever. we all have someone we live in terror of and Ranger Drill McCarthy is mine. I NEVER lost my weapons again after having it super glued and tied to my hands. In fact I never lost anything ever again…20 years later.

    better still when i became Ranger Drill and my newbies finally got to eat but realizing the Silica Packets in the MRE bread was not in fact frosting nor butter. They didn’t eat it. they tried, fortunaly the swift acting Ranger Drill stopped them and taught them a valuble lesson in attention to detail. That class was the most attentive members of the group ever.

  21. Sorry to disappoint. Having attended El Cid, and having served with USASF, can’t figure it out google it, the Citadel was a completely worthless amount of time. First, your commission is the same as any other college, except you have to pay more if you’re an out of state student. It taught me all about leadership, and what a leader isn’t. Those hardcore upperclassmen… typically get drummed out of the service after their first stint. Secondly, if you’re looking for an education, look elsewhere. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, the average Knob will have less than a 1.5 GPA. Build that character by shining your shoes and brass and you can worry about your grades the next 3 years. If I had to do it over, I’d have gone to a normal college and then joined. Unless you plan on living in or around Charleston your ring doesn’t get you anywhere. Sorry but it’s the truth. Get your panties in a wad all you ring knockers.

  22. Sorry to disappoint. Having attended El Cid, and having served with USASFC, can’t figure it out google it, the Citadel was a completely worthless amount of time. First, your commission is the same as any other college, except you have to pay more if you’re an out of state student. It taught me all about leadership, and what a leader isn’t. Those hardcore upperclassmen… typically get drummed out of the service after their first stint. Secondly, if you’re looking for an education, look elsewhere. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, the average Knob will have less than a 1.5 GPA. Build that character by shining your shoes and brass and you can worry about your grades the next 3 years. If I had to do it over, I’d have gone to a normal college and then joined. Unless you plan on living in or around Charleston your ring doesn’t get you anywhere. Sorry but it’s the truth. Get your panties in a wad all you ring knockers.

  23. TSO says:

    When I started applying for law school, I got in at every school I applied to. When I asked why, given my previous lackluster educational achievements, I was told because the Citadel had clout, and they let Citadel grads in pretty much regardless. I have yet to see any of my compatriots in ’92 “drummed out”. In fact, of my roommates, one is a colonel (and Chaplain of Camp David) and the other is also a colonel, and now a military judge.

    My panties aren’t in any wad that you didn’t appreciate it. Hell, I really don’t care if others do or don’t. And I didn’t take a commission, so I didn’t give two shits about that side of it either.

    • judy says:

      Is it possible to graduate from the Citadel and then not be accepted into the Marines due to a very insignificant medical issue?

      • O-4E says:

        Yes. Simply graduating from the Citadel (or VMI or Norwhich, etc) doesn’t guarantee you a commission in any branch. You still have to meet the academic, moral and medical requirements for a commission in whatever branch of service you choose to serve.

        A significant portion of the graduates never serve a day in the military

        • Jason says:

          4 years after graduation, I tried to get into Air Force OTS. It was tough AND VERY competitive. Didn’t get any credit for The Citadel or their ROTC program. Grades and Qualifying test scores were key. Ended up enlisting in the AF and tried again. Even with recommendation of three Bird Cols and my squadron Cmdr, still didn;t make it.

  24. A_Proud_Infidel says:

    #73, it’s time for you to simply admit that you were simply too inferior to make it there, after reading your snivel streak, I suggest that you get into writing fiction, your comment is nothing but that!

    You lose.

  25. Ptolemy in Egypt says:

    Ah, thanks for the memories, TSO.

    I was a Boston-area yankee who was originally slated to go to Boston University, but got a Army ROTC scholarship and thought- “Golly gee willikers, Wally- maybe I should go to a military college instead of one of those civilian universities so I can be doubly-prepared for the Army!”

    My biggest mistake- visiting Charleston, South Carolina in December- I believe it was 80 degrees F, after getting on a plane in sub-zero temps at Logan Airport. That’s really what cinched it for me- as embarrassed as I am to admit it. That and the thought of spending 4 years outside of New England- where I had grown up. But I knew little about what I was getting myself into in terms of the fourth class system.

    So yeah- there were some douchers who went to that school. I got embroiled in a hazing scandal when someone else reported I was in a room where several of us had some sophomoric shit done to us. But, I learned an important lesson in moral courage when some upper classmen wanted us to sign a petition to keep the worthless sack of crap sadistic hazer who was out of control. I refused to sign because I thought he was a lousy leader who had no business being a lieutenant of Marines. Those upperclassmen (juniors) yelled at me, and some of my classmates tried to intimidate me into signing, but in not doing so, I earned far more respect from everyone in the long run.

    I guess what I’m saying is- I learned a lot more about the kind of leader I did *not* want to be by going there. But hey- if you went to El Cid thinking it was going to be a picnic, then shame on ya. You’re a tool.

    The day he dropped me off, my dad told me I’d be back home within 30 days with my tail between my legs. After that, quitting was not an option, no matter how miserable I was whenever I’d get a letter from my buds at UNH, BU, BC, Keene State and other colleges telling me how much they were getting laid and so on. I would usually read those letters late at night and get all weepy, the salty tears mingling with the Brasso and Kiwi shoe polish on my fingers and under my fingernails.

    But seriously- I didn’t quit, stuck it out. And now, as Pat Conroy likes to say “I wear the ring.” I’m an Army lieutenant colonel with 19 years in- I’ve enjoyed it- certainly not for everyone, but hey- that’s life. I couldn’t care less what the petty little people of the world have to say about it.

    Even hung out in TSO’s alcove room watching Jethro Tull concert videos a time or two, and ran into him a few years later in Taszar, Hungary when my tank company was coming out of Bosnia and he was in the 29th ID (iirc) as an infantry E5 going in. Small world.

    Woo hoo.

  26. Ptolemy in Egypt says:

    Those are most certainly Summerall Guards. They’re the only ones with bayonets on their rifles and those are clearly the Palmetto devices of the SCCC on their shakos.

    @66- Kerrigan- good luck. E.E. is a tough major to slog through especially during knob year, but if you make it through that, you can make it through anything.

    You get out of it what you put into it. Don’t romanticize the Corps of Cadets because you will be confronted with the ugliness of jackholes and losers in leadership positions who don’t have the first clue & couldn’t lead mice to cheese. But, the experiences and camaraderie are fun. Charleston is a great town to go to school in, and we get a lot more time off on the weekends than the West Pointers and VMI guys, so there’s always that.

    Good luck.

  27. Kelvin White says:

    The Definition of Discipline:

    The discipline which makes the soldiers of a free country reliable in battle is not to be gained by harsh or tyrannical treatment. On the contrary, Such treatment is far more likely to destroy than to make an army. It is possible to impart instruction and to give commands in such a manner and such a tone of voice to inspire in the soldier no feeling but an intense desire to obey, while the opposite manner and tone of voice cannot fail to excite strong resentment and a desire to disobey. The one mode or the other of dealing with subordinates springs from a corresponding spirit in the breast of the commander. He who feels the respect which is due to others cannot fail to inspire in them regard for himself, while he who feels, and hence manifests, disrespect towards others, ESPECIALLY his inferiors, cannot fail to cannot fail to inspire hatred against himself.
    -Major General John Schofield, 1879

  28. Anonymous says:

    Are you people psychotic. That’s not character building that’s sociopathic. And if you think it’s okay to do that, then you’re just brainwashed. I went to the Citadel, and I was a proud member of the Corps, but it’s wrong.

  29. PintoNag says:

    @79 You’re calling US psychotic? Please go back and read what you just wrote. “I was a proud member of the Corps, but it’s wrong?” THAT is psychotic.

  30. been through worse says:

    I am not a Citadel alumni nor have I ever been a member of the Corps of Cadets. I am the father of one. I like the change the Citadel produced in my son.

    And just so no one forgets…there are worse things than hazing.

  31. dfgdsfgsd says:

    “Now look, I’m no advocate FOR hazing. It is what it is. However, this little panty waste at ANY POINT could have gone to his TAC officer and said, “hey, dudes are doing psychotic shit to me.” He didn’t. And that is the reason I am glad he is out, not that he should have submitted to the hazing.”

    You didn’t make this very apparent in your article. I don’t feel that hazing should be so prominent in military colleges, either, because the primary goal at a military college is for the cadets to learn.

  32. Anonymous says:

    #42

    Our women are better at being men than you are. If you dont wear the ring then close your filthy suck. You are not worthy to comment. C co 11

  33. A Proud Infidel & Patriot says:

    @84, SHUT UP and go buy some ad Space, CHEAPSKATE!!

  34. Cit Mom says:

    Pat Conroy:
    And the lions descend on the lambs and tear them limb from limb and blood shall flow forth like a river and drown the weak and injured, and those who survive the slaughter will be raised above the flood, their bones hardened and muscles refined, for superiority lies in he who is tempered in the severest of schools. Lambs then become the lions and the process is begun again, class after class.

    In Seven Days, the process starts again.

  35. Old Corp Man says:

    The Citadel is at it again….letting the KNOBS run the corp!
    12 MIKE Company cadets are accused of hazing right now! I am an Alumni… my son was hazed and did not fold! The KNOBS call home, cry to mom and then mom calls the president! Chain of command is broken… You should see the White slip or now called PR (performance report)! Weak allegations…. nothing like the article refers to.
    I am embarrassed to even wear my ring! Especially if upcoming grads are weak! A few push ups are good for the body….not sucking on tootsie pops all day! Commandant’s office and school admin is weak. Go to USC or Clemson….
    A disgrace to all Citadel grads!

  36. Guess Who! says:

    Ah The Citadel…home of the all male group shower hours, the worst Division 1 college basketball in the nation, and 16 straight football losses to Wofford College. More young men leave this shithole scarred for life than leave it as more productive citizens.

  37. John Zawnovich says:

    The Citadel: home of the dickless wonders.An all-male tradition of eunuchs kissing eunuchs and pretending that’s manhood…have fun!

  38. 91 Bond Volunteer says:

    “Stalwart universities—Harvard, Princeton, Yale—most certainly offer status. The Citadel offers character. “

  39. Bob Gawler says:

    LOL. Was Googling for something else related to Citadel hazing and stumbled across your site and post.

    Laughed my ass off. My pre-knob experience wasn’t much better, I stuck it out, and even knocked out 13 tours the night before graduation courtesy of 1 ea. Col Dick (God bless him). My only tours in 4 years. (I got out of 250+ my sophomore year).

    I could not agree with you more. Its not an experience for everyone and I weep that the school is a former shell of itself.

    Bob Gawler ’91

    • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

      Yeah, kinda like the cases of “Wussitis” forced down the US Military’s throat year after year…

  40. Matt Shotwell says:

    Sadly, I did not attend the Citadel but my first son did and graduated as a Guardsmen and 61 minute man. Piss on the intellectual midgets unable to differentiate between programmed discipline and tradition versus hazing. The process is designed to tear and strip the young man to basic template, void of his flawed parental influence, then imprint and rebuild him into a man of character and purpose.

    Some men enter The Citadel with the fundamental character already instilled while other are in need of it’s purpose like the feeble suckling neonate yearning for mother’s milk. Regardless of which child enters, it appears nearly all exit as strong disciplined men. Unless an adversarial bullet is surging for your dome piece, everything in life is make believe. The men at the Citadel are and never were in danger of their lives. They may have been hazed, but it was more psychological then physical. Men must differentiate between what’s real and what’s make believe. Those who think the Citadel hazing is real are in for a future ride on the short bus of life.

    I thank the sacrificed veterans’ soul who paved my sidewalk of freedom with their blood and nectar. No man wants to make the sacrifice as did so many before me, but it’s the sacrifice, discipline, structure of The Citadel and other Military Academies, and ultimately the United States Armed Forces which keeps our USA free from the enslavement of the radical clowns rooming the earth promoting anarchy and bedlam.

    Thank you Citadel for producing the men who garnish our freedom.

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