Marines against Shamar Thomas
October 20th, 2011
I know Sporkmaster has written a few times about Shamar Thomas, the huge clown who thought it was appropriate to pin his ribbons on his utility uniform and yell at police. Apparently, some other Marines have taken exception with his behavior and formed a Facebook group called Marines Against Shamar Thomas…and he’s not happy about it. Paul sends us these screen shots;
October 20th, 2011 at 9:21 am
This dickwad can’t spell Fallujah right, I don’t think he was ever there! I know the spellings of everywhere I was stationed overseas, and IDK about y’all, but 10 days in Fallujah with no support or vehicle by themselves in Indian Country? BULLSHIT
October 20th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Something I just looked up, but the Combat Action Ribbon is authorized for any Marine, captain level and below, who actively participated in ground/surface combat.
It does not specify that you have to be of a certain job, so I assume even a “lowly” supply guy is eligible for this.
This is unlike the Army’s CIB which is only for infantry MOS and CAB for the others. But in terms of ‘prestige’ I assume the CIB and CAR are equivalent?
Maybe some Marines can elaborate on this.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:34 am
The following amplifying remarks are furnished as guidance.
(a) Personnel in riverine and coastal operations, assaults, patrols, sweeps, ambushes, convoys, amphibious landings, and similar activities who have participated in fire fights are eligible.
(b) Personnel assigned to areas subjected to sustained mortar, missile, and artillery attacks actively par ticipate in retaliatory or offensive actions are eligible.
(c) Personnel in clandestine or special opera tions such as reconnaissance, SEAL teams, EOD teams, and Mine Countermeasures operations are eligible when the risk of enemy fire was great and was expected to be encountered.
(d) Personnel aboard a ship are eligible when the safety of the ship and the crew were endangered by enemy attack, such as a ship hit by a mine or a ship engaged by shore, surface, air or sub-surface elements.
(e) Personnel eligible for the award of the Purple Heart would not necessarily qualify for the Combat Action Ribbon.
(f) Personnel serving in peacekeeping missions, if not eligible by the criteria cited above, are eligible to receive the award when all of the following criteria are met: -the member was subject to hostile, direct fire, – based on the mission and the tactical situation, not returning fire was the best course of action, and – the member was in compliance with the rules of engagement and his orders by not returning fire.
(g) The CAR will not be awarded to personnel for aerial combat since the Strike/Flight Air Medal provides recognition for aerial combat exposure; however, a pilot or crewmember forced to escape or evade after being forced down could be eligible for the award.
(h) Under Public Law 106-55, the CAR may be awarded retroactively to 07Dec41
October 20th, 2011 at 10:15 am
This asshat has already gotten way more than his 15 minutes of fame.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Hey guys, Qaddafi’s dead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g07otrwI4j4&skipcontrinter=1
October 20th, 2011 at 10:50 am
#5. Sure looks like it.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Yep, Sic Semper Tyrannis!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:55 am
I hope it’s true, then Leon Klinghoffer can RIP.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:56 am
I hope so too, the Libyans and Al Jazeera seem to think he has assumed room temperature
October 20th, 2011 at 11:06 am
@5 Another great victory for our country and wondeful president..
He has shown what the U.S. will do to thugs around the world while maintaining diplomacy and involving the UN and NATO while the previous administration was only concerned with making themselves more money.
October 20th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
TAH, and John, TYVM once again. You guys rule.
CIVVIE
SALUTES,
R
October 20th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
YAY Caveat Tyrannis!
Did Shamar really expect anything else?
October 20th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
#2″This is unlike the Army’s CIB which is only for infantry MOS and CAB for the others. But in terms of ‘prestige’ I assume the CIB and CAR are equivalent?” This is an argument that some of the USMC/Navy personel make but I think a closer equivalent would be the combat patch. Though again, they don’t exactly mirror one another.
October 20th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Hey Jerry – as big of a scumbag Qaddafi was the Achille Lauro hijacking/Klinghoffer murder was a Palestine Liberation Front operation organized by Muhammed Zadain (aka Abu Abbas). I was involved in the capture of the maggots at NAS Sigonella – a whole additional story. Abbas got his after we captured him in Bagdad in 2003.
Either way – one less piece of crap walking the planet today.
October 20th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
oh almost forgot – Shamar Thomas reminds me of Jesse McBeth and Lauro Chavez. His BS will be exposed very soon.
October 20th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
The only reason you guys hate this guy is because he has done more than most of you on this site. Besides Doc Bailey and Sporkmaster nobody has been to Iraq. I am an Iraq War vet and I am not the least bit offended by what he is doing. When did dissent become such a bad thing to you noodleheads? It’s how this country was founded.
October 20th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Oh how can we measure up, those of us who never went to Iraq?
Oh woe is we who only served in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Macedonia, Korea, HOA, The Mog, the Fulda Gap, and Viet Nam?
We’ll never be such a BAMF as Herr Richter!
October 20th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
I’ve been to Iraq…..twice. Next?
October 20th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Richter and Obama Girl go jerk each other off. I have two deployments (oef and oif) and what he did is a fucking joke. I’ll copy and paste what I said earlier on the marines against page…
Sgt. Shitbird I’m an Army 11Bravo and you have disgraced yourself and the uniform. I have never once gone out with an ACU or BDU top as a civilian attire or put my stack on one of those tops. You went out with the intent to draw attention to yourself. Better men in your branch have worn the uniform Butler, Puller, Bas…ilone, Daly (remember those guys?) and it’s a disgrace what you have done. But you sold your soul for 5 minutes of fame and you get to pal around with the likes of keith olbermann and Michael Moore who have called us baby killers and have supported the insurgency (Michael Moore calls em freedom fighters). I hope you sleep well at night dickhead
October 20th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Hey Richter, it has nothing to do with his service in Iraq and everything with his disservice in America.
He is smartmouth punk who created a situation. he didn’t diffuse it. And if he was such a great orator, why did he wear his Marine uniform? Do you wear your military uniform when you go out and address the police?
He goes to community college and in his spare time he is a lackluster semi-pro football player (three tackles all season as a defensive lineman). If he feels Wall Street is hurting him, then he should quit playing semi-pro football and stop hanging out with 19 and 20-year-old students at Nassau Community College, and get a real job befitting a former Marine.
What has he done other than show up as a ranting idiot on a YouTube video? Nothing.
October 20th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
I see OG’s & “Richter’s” odoriferous presence has wandered in the back door. Who left it unlocked?
October 20th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
“When did dissent become such a bad thing to you noodleheads? It’s how this country was founded.”
I don’t have a problem with dissent.
I have a problem with dissent IN UNIFORM.
There’s a damn good reason we divorce our military from politics as much as we can.
October 20th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
I’m not quite sure how Qaddafi’s death is “another great victory for our country and wonderful president.”
I don’t think that anyone has a problem with dissent, but they do have a problem with wearing part of a uniform while doing it. Anyone can go play anarchist, abortion protestor, Westboro Baptist Church member, or whatever they want, just do use the uniform of current/former service member to add credence to your arguments.
October 20th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Actually, Herr Richter, this country was not founded on dissent. There were, however, colonists who dissented from the liberty-loving path the majority of Americans took. These dissenters remained loyal to the King of England. Most of the dissenters came around but some, such as Benedict Arnold, took their dissent to new depths.
October 20th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
#22 Doesnt make sense does it? You’d think it would be portrayed as what it is: a victory for Libya by Libyans….remember one of the taglines of this regime is “let no crisis go to waste.”
October 20th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
#14, Suspected paid for by Qaddafi, but totally agree, good to see all of them rotting.
October 20th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
If you like Ballduster and Soup Sandwich, you just had to love Qaddaffodil. What a guy. His medals had medals. He is (or was) something of a mix between Il Duce and Pol Pot.
October 20th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
#10: Obamagirl, when you say Obama “has shown what the U.S. will do to thugs around the world,” do you mean this?
http://europeancourier.org/test/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/obama_gaddafi.jpg
October 20th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Ah, there he is. Glad to see you join the party, Herr richter. You have no bearing on anything, fraud. You had your chance to prove your bona fides, including your CIB, but you blew it because you’re a fucking liar and you knew showing up would prove all of it.
Everyone here is tired of your usual amount of bullshit. Buh bye now.
October 20th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
His medals had medals, but he never seemed to be able to promote himself beyond LTC.
October 20th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Nobel Peace Prize Prez Spikes Ball in Rose Garden
I don’t think “Peace” means what it used to mean.
October 20th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Not sure it is such a big win. Who will replace him? It is common knowledge that the Libyan ‘freedom’ fighters are at a minimum sympathetic with Al Qaeda. At least we knew who Qaddafi was. Also, I believe there were reports that the Libyan rebels were killing black Libyans.
October 20th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Sorry double post
Not sure it is such a big win. Who will replace him? It is common knowledge that the Libyan ‘freedom’ fighters are at a minimum sympathetic with Al Qaeda. At least we knew who Qaddafi was. Also, I believe there were reports that the Libyan rebels were killing black Libyans.
October 20th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
OG: HOW exactly is this president who got into this bullshit bass ackward, even close to responsible for this “victory” If anything this is just another tale of a tyrant meeting a justly deserved end. US involvement is only in rooting for his death.
October 20th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
BTW, Obamagirl, the previous administration did go to the UN and NATO for Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember Powel at the UN? Ever wonder what ISAF stands for? Did it ever dawn on you that there is a reason why service in Afghanistan is recognized with an Afghanistan campaign medal and a NATO Non-Article 5 medal? I’d really love to see you differentiate the reasoning behind your dislike of the Bush doctrine but your full support of the Obama doctrine.
October 20th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
It’s pointless trying to reason with OG, she’s dumber than a bag of cement and twice as useless.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
So, I am relatively new here (been around for a little while and posted a couple of times) and just curious about the accomplishments of the ‘regulars’. I see that many of the regulars have either posted a DD214 or some other kind of proof, but some of the ‘regulars’ that continue to tout their accomplishments and bash others do not post any proof. It seems simple to me that if you are going to talk smack about someone’s accomplishments, that you should post yours to back up what you say. Not trying to start any trouble, just want to know what is so hard about posting proof for those that question the accomplishments of others.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Hmmm…. Looking at the “I love me” shadow box my wife gave me for my birthday. Guess cause Richter said I’ll take my Iraq service ribbon out. Oh wait no I actually was in Iraq, but wait guys I’m confused didn’t we get rid of a dick-tater there? Wait that one don’t count…
This guy though, fucknut for using his uniform…
October 20th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Yeah, many a Marine ain’t too happy with this dude right now….
October 20th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
@ Templar – I second that!
October 20th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Not trying to start any trouble, just want to know what is so hard about posting proof for those that question the accomplishments of others.
Templar, anon: We have posted ours because the REAL phonies have tried to claim that we are in fact the phonies, etc. Yet when asked to post proof or retract, they do neither.
I’ve never claimed to be in the sandbox, but being on a fast attack I’ve been a lot closer to the “bad guys” than a lot of people who have never served on a submarine will either admit or believe. I know, those who have been there know, and that’s enough. Jonn has known me for something like 8-9 years now, and knows I’m not given to grand tales of derring-do.
OG and sphincterboy, OTOH, have made claims of their own service, telling us we’re poseurs, etc., with no way of backing up their own bullshit. Well, a lot of people around here got tired of it and called them out. Sphincterboy had a chance to meet Old Trooper in person, yet pussied out. OG makes bullshit claims that we’ll somehow falsify her records and “use them against her”. That’s where a number of us have posted our records, including 214′s and 2-1′s. As soon as I get a day (night) off, I’ll dig out my 214 and scan it as well. Nothing fancy, nothing special.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Redacted: Yeah, they seem to be a little miffed with Thomas. I suppose if I were a Marine, whether I agreed with his position, or not, I wouldn’t be happy about him wearing his stuff all jacked up like he is. Wearing your rack on fatigues is something John F-ing Kerry, or some third world dictator, would do. I guess he never got the memo when he took NCO leadership. I would expect it from Kerry, but not a Sergeant in the USMC.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
@NHSparky, thank you for the backstory.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
I WAS called a sh*tbird by my sergeant in Vietnam. I smoked pot, had long hair, and wore purple shoelaces. And THIS shitbird says that Shamal Thomas is an a-hole for trying to promote a personal agenda WHILE HIDING BEHIND HIS SERVICE TO HIS COUNTRY. He’s just another malcontent paraded by the leftists who want to destroy our country and traditions, and want what doesn’t belong to them. HE was the obnoxious bully at the scene, NOT the police. Now he’s not only been promoted to “General”, but he’s a Wall St. expert, as well. I agree with the blogger who said he believes there’s a tasing in this man’s near future. If only……..There are marchers in the streets advocating the overthrow of our country, and this sap joins them? ALL THE A-HOLE AMERICA HATERS NOW HAIL THIS CLOWN AS A HERO. THAT’S ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Templar: You also have to understand that some have seen a LOT of service between wars, and some folks (especially the bubbleheads) get some bullshit treatment because they didn’t do the Hoah or Oorah sort of thing.
now don’t get me wrong I might throw in a “polish the ol torpedo” joke, but only in jest. Most of the folks that are “counter” (OG, Richter, King Brian etc) do not say those things in jest.
October 21st, 2011 at 12:26 am
Doc, don’t forget that lousy POS Smedley butler. I was air force before army. I have heard all the jokes. Lol. If its from a brother…..I’m ok with it. From a know nothing shit head…its not. BTW….I don’t have a scanner or my info on digits. Just paper. Would love to post mine might have to get jonn’s fax number and beg him to post my dd-214s.
October 21st, 2011 at 1:12 am
What first caught my eye was a Coporal With a srvice stripe on his Blues blouse. Then came what is he doing wearing his Blues at a Polito Rally. The acting Master Guns in Utes justs pegs my BS meter. Both are NO LONGER ENTITLED to claim the title of Marine. Sgt 65-72 (RVN 6-66 thru 9-68)
October 21st, 2011 at 11:27 am
Not for nothing, but Shamar’s “I Was There” plaque doesn’t mean shit. You can have any plaque made up at any of the haji marts in Buehring, Arifjan or KNB in Kuwait. You can go online and make yourself into a regular Audie Murphy.
SGT Fathead needs to put his DD-214 online, not some photo of a plaque. I just read he left the IRR on September 2, so he should have an up-to-date copy.
October 23rd, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Wearing your rack on fatigues is not something a politician would do…it’s something a fake rapper like Soulja Boy would do…Its what you see in these urban clothing stores and rap video’s. Phony acts of Valor type crap. It just looks plain stupid and fake.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:34 pm
We need more brave marines like Shamar Thomas. If it wasnt for the uniform he would have been thrown in jail by NYPD with no coverage. He is representing millions of americans slaves of this new wave 1% capitalism!! Go Marines!
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Christian, please don’t even start to think he speaks for all Marines, or even a significant number of them. He wasn’t brave. He effectively risked nothing and basked in the phony and fleeting glory the left will give him until they decide he and his ilk are no longer useful, then will be tossed on the shitpile like so much else they’ve used and thrown away.
And seriously, cut your fucking hair, get that shit out of your noses, ears, tongues, and where the fuck ever else you’re sticking shit these days, and learn that NOBODY has the “right” to have all their creature comforts provided for on anyone else’s backs but their own.
Pass this bit of advice along to your fellow fucktards: The world does not owe you a fucking thing.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:04 am
Interesting that he claims to have seen unarmed civilians “being hurt” but the NYPD but he didn’t have the intestinal fortitude to do anything about it. So then he screams incoherently at the cops a few days later? Then there’s his comments about “if you want to kill someone go to Iraq!” I’ve been downrange a couple times myself, and I don’t know too many guys who talk about things like that unless they were guys who never did anything…
October 24th, 2011 at 1:23 am
This guys nothing but a drama queen.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:32 am
Agreed
October 24th, 2011 at 6:28 am
LOL @51- “And seriously, cut your fucking hair, get that shit out of your noses, ears, tongues, and where the fuck ever else you’re sticking shit these days…”
You better have been typing that one handed while shaking a fist in the air furiously.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Sorry to disappoint, teddy. I find a verbal and mental beatdown of these clowns is in many ways far more satisfying than a verbal one.
And if it’s delivered particularly well, lasts a lot longer.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:11 am
@50 You’re an idiot.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
I have received PM’s from ex-Marines who support the OWS losers. To these enablers who should know better, I would like to ask if they’ve seen the OWS “Anti-Capitalism” signs? Have they heard the anti-Semitic slogans and slurs? Do Jewish people serve in the Marine Corps? How does that make them feel? The Communist Party of the USA supports the OWS crowd, as does former terrorist, Bill Ayers. So does the leader of Iran. Wanna be part of it still? NO – The root of the phony OWS lies directly at the feet of the administration, who are desperately trying to counter the Tea Party, and foment unrest. Just read “Rules for Radicals” by the communist, Saul Alinsky. That particular book is a real HIT with this administration, I’ve heard. Class warfare, turning one citizen against another, and stirring up racial unrest. A Marine Sergeant told me that the Tea Party wants to do away with our government. He needs to educate himself on the facts. The Tea Party believes in fiscal responsibility and LIMITED government. MOST of the OWS crowd believes in something way different. “They have it, and I want it! Boo-hoo-hoo -sob, sob, whimper.” Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. Thy shalt not covet thy neighbors belongings. To all the coffee-house Marxist intellectuals (NOT), socialism and communism are GREAT if you want to stand in line to buy toilet paper.
October 26th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Perhaps he really was in the marines, but this was a staged event. Not sure of the intent, but most staged events are designed to divide and conquer. This seems to pit police against marines, and marines against each other. When everybody is squabbling amongst themselves, the people with power dictate through the media, new organizational principles by which we are supposed to live by. It is becoming obvious they are attempting to use OWS to consolidate financial resources and centralize power, which means less wealth and rights for you and me. So beware when you are instructed to fear and hate any group, because you are simultaneously being manipulated.
October 26th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Anyone doing any bashing on this site is obviously misinformed and or brain washed. Sgt. Thomas Was just trying to point out that the police were using excessive force against peaceful protesters, the people that him and all of you swore to protect. Doesn’t really matter if you agree with ows, they still have the right to peacefully protest. You have all let down me and let down the majority of people in the country. You should be ashamed.
October 26th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Tyler, you are an ass. Go away.
Come back when have proof that the NYPD was using excessive force that night.
You can’t because there was none. Zero. Zip. Nada. Kinda like your prospects for a job.
The excessive force that has been confirmed is by the OWS protestors against their sexual assault victims.
You should be ashamed.
October 26th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Wow Have you watched the videos. Have you seen the marine vet Scott Olsen that was shot in the face by police in Oakland and when people came to his aid the police threw a flashbang at them. And why do you think I don’t Have a job Just because I support te right to protest
October 26th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
And if you you want more proof there is this little web site called you tube and its filled with proof of police using excessive force. Let me guess you get all your info from fox news and people like glenn beck and bill o’riley you have a brain. Use the damn thing. Open your eyes . Just because your a soldier and you do what your told doesn’t mean you have to think what your told
October 26th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Tyler, you great defender of free speech, can you tell where “Marines Against Shamar Thomas” went?
Why did the little sergeant down THAT free speech?
Get over yourself. By the way, Anthony Bologna was right to pepper spray those protestors. When a cop tells you to leave, you leave. If not, accept the consequences and quit whining like little pussies.
October 26th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
If he was right in what he did Why was he docked ten days pay. And im not sure if you remember this from history class but this country came about because a bunch of people were pissed off because they were not being properly treated by there government and didn’t have the right to speak out against government so the protested. And now its happening again
October 26th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
“When a cop tells you to leave, you leave. If not, accept the consequences and quit whining like little pussies.”
Not moving when a cop tells you to move is basic civil disobedience. It is illegal by definition and intent, but it doesn’t give an officer carte blanch to do whatever he wants in response. I’ve told Iraqis to “yuh’lla” many times without getting a response, I didn’t whip out my Asp and start beating them with it because I could. That’s just not smart.
Additionally, civil disobedience is often staged PRECISELY TO bait police, soldiers, etc INTO over-reacting. That Tony Baloney fell for it illustrates to me that his SA just ain’t there.
Part of your responsibility as a civil servant is to have good judgement. It’s why the retirement benefits are so nice. The minute your job is easy, you’re doing something wrong. Go grab the protesters, flex cuff them, and unceremoniously toss them into the van. Play the game, that’s all it is. You can’t win, you can only come out of it with your career, honor, and dignity in-tact.
October 26th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Oh, cut the dramatics. There was no police brutality, just protestor stupidity. Stage craft and posturing. Comparing OWS with Iraq proves your stupidity.
And Shamar Thomas’ as well.
October 26th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
And Anthony Bologna getting his pay docked was a small political price to pay. The next time I see him, I’ll buy him dinner. I’m sure pepper spraying feckless whiners who’ve grown fat and lazy off the work of others was worth it.
October 26th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
They are using force on protesters in OAKLAND that would not be deemed suitable for use on protesters in IRAQ in 2005. In OAKLAND they have specifically enumerated Constitutional right to protest. In IRAQ, they did not.
Differentiate between hating hippies and the fact that their rights are synonymous with yours.
October 26th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people PEACEABLY to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Wanted to emphasize that one word for ya. Dealing drugs, rape, theft, and threatening things like, “We kill white bitches like you” ain’t exactly peacable, knowwhutImeanVern?
October 26th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
tyler the talking robot ask, “And why do you think I don’t Have a job Just because I support te right to protest”
No, you moron. You do not have a job because the ones that do not require basic literacy are too taxing for you.
October 26th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
As for .03, it’s either stuck in a time wary (1968-69) or wishes it could have been there. Very groovy, mon.
October 26th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
#70, not to mention, Sparky, that throwing rocks and bottles doesn’t quite fall under “peacably” assemble.
I note that .03 and Tyler failed to mention that little thing.
And, trespassing in a park, after hours, is not “civil disobedience”, nor is the throwing of rocks and bottles.
October 26th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Tyler, I forgot. Thanks to OWS, Anthony Bologna and the rest of the NYPD are making thousands and thousands of dollars in overtime. CPO Bologna will make more in overtime, and he is going to write the 10-day dock off his taxes as a penalty.
So, while OWS morons criticize the police and the rich, you and the OWS crowd are making the police rich!
I love irony!
October 26th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Tyler —-you look stupid— the more you say the stupider you sound. Pack your dumb ass up and move on. If you fuck with the cops they will beat your ass for being stupid. Like others here have said if they tell you to leave and you stand there — you need your ass beat. Get a Job and Stop your candy ass whining!
Man I done got pissed at another Idiot!
October 26th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Maytag. If that is the one Maytag I know. Welcome aboard. Shoulda said it sooner and all that.
October 26th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
How many of these people aren’t peaceably assembling? How many people need to be jagoffs before the police are justified in treating the entire protest as an unruly mob?
You’re picking and choosing who you want to exemplify the actions taking place, you’re not looking at the entire picture. The vast majority of the crowd is “peaceably assembled”.
October 26th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Oh, horseshit.
October 26th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
PointOhTree: They were peaceably assembled in Oakland? Really?
http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_19139574?nclick_check=1
This was back on October 18th:
“This comes on the heels of increasing reports of illegal drug and alcohol abuse, fighting, and sexual harassment in and around the camp of about 100 tents, Boyd said.”
Yeah. Peaceable.
October 26th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
@77: You have a point there, except I wouldn’t say they were “assembled”, but rather squaters. When those that don’t do as they are told, such as not being allowed to block traffic or go down to certain areas, etc. and they do anyway, then they get to eat pavement and inhale pepper spray, it’s that simple. IOW their right to free speech doesn’t override everyone elses rights.
October 26th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
@79, Smoking pot, drinking, maybe a few people fighting, and *gasp* SEXUAL HARRASSMENT? Shred the Constitution right away, this is just far too much for the Republic to bear!
@80, I agree that once illegal things happen that law enforcement action is necessary, but since when is the default mode of police to brutalize people rather than just subdue them with the least force reasonable and arrest them?
A line is being crossed. Cops think they’re operators now-a-days.
October 26th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
“The vast majority of the crowd is “peaceably assembled”. And breaking the law by being in the park after it closes. That’s criminal trespass, not “peaceably assembled”..
“How many people need to be jagoffs before the police are justified in treating the entire protest as an unruly mob?”. Doesn’t matter how many, once they’re told to leave, and don’t, they become a mob. Buh bye, see you in the cell block. The only complaint I have is that the city leaders should have gotten rid of them the first night they violated the park ordinance. Then it wouldn’t have grown like it did.
October 26th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
So you make no differentiation between how you handle a crowd of rioters, and how you handle a crowd of people simply exercising civil disobedience?
October 26th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
PointOhTree: Let us know where you live son we can send pot-smoking, drunken slobs to your front yard. I’m sure you’ll embrace and support their “peaceable” behavior, Mr. Constitution.
October 26th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
I live in California, I’m surrounded by them. Let me know the next time you go to a protest of some kind, I’ll make sure to have the police on stand-by waiting for the first libertarian to stumble out of his RV with a beer buzz and a little weed, then we release the hounds.
October 26th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Another genius who read a book, took a class, and watched too much TV. It really, really, really needs to be PR-24′ed.
October 26th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Book learnin’ not your style, 2-17AirCav? Or are you just looking for a way to be dismissive without having to offer up your own justifications?
October 26th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Newsflash, point. The police HAVE acted with remarkable restraint given the actions of the OWS types thus far. 50 years ago they would have taken a baton arcross the kidneys or a bullet. Now they just cry a bit. Not even close.
October 26th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Weak exit, NHSparky. Weak exit.
October 26th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
The fact you couldn’t rebut what I said tells me all I needed to know.
October 27th, 2011 at 1:18 am
Seeing the comments on here, and reading what most people have written about the OWS protests, I can only come to the conclusion that the majority of Americans aren’t worth defending in the first place.
Since when was it normal for peaceful protesters to be put down with violence from police? the 60s? How can anyone find that acceptable in any form? Regardless if you agree with them or not, free speech should be protected. Who gives a fuck whether or not they were in the military, or wearing a uniform…
I’m sure this will just get flames, but fuck every one of you who thinks this shit is okay. My father was a Navy SEAL and served in Vietnam, and that doesn’t make anything I say any more or less legitimate, because it doesn’t matter. At all.
Why should civilians care if you served in an immoral and illegal military action? And what does that have to do with protecting free speech, and not treating our own citizens, who are protesting non-violently, like violent rioters?
October 27th, 2011 at 1:19 am
It seems like most of you just like to have a chance to say something you think is clever, and put other people down, than actually examine what your statements mean, and whether or not they are morally defensible or not….
October 27th, 2011 at 1:37 am
OWS protestors are causing problems and comitting crimes all over the place, which is what happens when the dregs and undesirables of society convene en masse in one place. Are the police supposed to just stand by and watch? I don’t think so. Of course they have a right to assemble peacefully. Key word PEACEFULLY. The OWS crowd seems to forget that part, and when they act on that, it’s time for the police to intervene; do what the police say, it’s simple, and everyone parts ways. Don’t do what the police say, face the consequences of your actions. As far as the “illegal and immoral military action”. Give it a rest dude. As for what civilians care and/or think about the military or military actions, who gives a shit? A great deal of responsibility comes with earning the right to wear a uniform, especially a uniform of the armed forces of this country. Serving in the military does not give anyone the right to choose which laws they want to obey. I suggest you read DoD directive 1344.10, POLITICAL ACTIVITIES BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES ON ACTIVE DUTY. Bear in mind this also has regulations for members of the armed forces NOT on active duty as well. So your father was a SEAL, good for him. My question is what the fuck have you done lately?
October 27th, 2011 at 1:46 am
And on a side note as far as saying your father was a SEAL, I would be very, VERY cautious tossing such a claim around like that. Frauds are very easily debunked these days, ESPECIALLY with this crowd. Not saying your father wasn’t, just giving you a heads up.
October 27th, 2011 at 2:13 am
when the shit hits the fan in your country and millions rise up………..will the military fire on citizens,
that is the only question.
October 27th, 2011 at 3:10 am
as in egypt or syria.
October 27th, 2011 at 3:14 am
a lot of you sound like goons.
you swore to defend.
and BTW; the treatment of vets should have you protesting.
October 27th, 2011 at 3:16 am
look at the problems returning soldiers face.
aren’t you indignant ?
October 27th, 2011 at 3:18 am
@93: “what the fuck have you done lately?”
I believe it’s immoral to serve in the military for personal reasons, especially nowadays when a large number (maybe even a majority?) of people enlist simply because they don’t have any other economic / career choice. I believe it’s immoral to fish for recruits by highlighting the financial benefits. You should only serve if you believe in protecting the country and its citizens by doing what is right. I also believe in the outcome of the Nuremberg trials, in that you shouldn’t blindly follow orders simply because they are orders. Even the lowest people need to use their judgment in their own actions. When so much of what America does is so immoral on so many levels, how can anyone care about petty protocol when it comes to speaking out?
…And, really, what evidence do you have that the OWS protesters are committing crimes and breaking the law? Other than some random people “selling heroin” and “having under-age sex”. There is no evidence that any of the protesters have become violent unless it was initiated by the police, in -ANY- of the protests. It sickens me that so many authoritarians believe that “protester” means “degenerate riff-raff”. There are all kinds of people at the protests. It isn’t just the lazy, greedy trash trying to take advantage of our government.
@94: I don’t really care if people think that’s a fraudulent claim. That’s the internet. Anyone who says anything at all is always immediately met with, “I don’t believe you”. I was -going- to say that: My father was a Navy SEAL, and he is an asshole. He is racist, he doesn’t have good moral sense, and he is not a rational person in many ways. Simply serving does not make you some paragon of morality. Most of the people I know who have served or are serving simply did so because they had no direction in life and had no other choice, because they had no career goals or any economic opportunity. They all joined because it seemed like the best way escape poverty.
But think about the guy who just got hit in the face with a tear canister, and is in intensive care, and may suffer permanent brain damage. He was a veteran of Iraq. He served in the military. And, just because he disagrees with the way things are going and wants to peacefully protest… he gets brutally injured by the police for it? How is that moral, or just?
October 27th, 2011 at 3:31 am
Since when was it normal for peaceful protesters to be put down with violence from police?
Try being one and maybe, just maybe, you’ll have a point.
October 27th, 2011 at 3:37 am
>>>>believe it’s immoral to serve in the military for personal reasons, especially nowadays when a large number (maybe even a majority?) of people enlist simply because they don’t have any other economic / career choice. I believe it’s immoral to fish for recruits by highlighting the financial benefits. You should only serve if you believe in protecting the country and its citizens by doing what is right. I also believe in the outcome of the Nuremberg trials, in that you shouldn’t blindly follow orders simply because they are orders.>>>
God I truly hate the media who perpetuated this belief that only the impoverished serve in the military… or the belief that the military are a bunch of uneducated robots. The height of ignorance is repeating stereotypes that have no foundation in reality…UGH!
October 27th, 2011 at 3:46 am
>And, really, what evidence do you have that the OWS protesters are committing crimes and breaking the law?
http://www.womenswatchinc.org/blog/ows-protestor-raped/
BTW, there are newsreports all over of protestors getting violent.. You realize that Trespassing is a crime. Squatting on private and public property is a crime. I know that you “protest” types just pick and choose which laws you wish to follow, but those are crimes.
October 27th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
So,in other words, nothing. The military is no longer a final option when all others have failed, that info is 30 years old at least. Do everyone a favor and stop perpetuating it. Not once did I highlight financial benefits to get someone to join. If the first thing they asked was “what’s in it for me” or “how much is the enlistment bonus”, I kicked them out of my office. Amazingly enough I still had a successful tour. Keep drinking the kool aid pal.
October 27th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Your Dad sounds like someone I’d have a beer with.
October 27th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
You are weak, marine. Your unit is divided. You get beaten up by police. How shameful. Now I’ve lost a ton of respect for your soldier.
Now you gather on the internet – mimimimi. That Thomas dude at least had the balls to face the police. Most of you are probably too afraid. I have no respect for marines anymore.
They shot one of your guys in the face – and you, you stand next and applaud the police cop who did it. Your man is lying on the ground in pain, shattered skull – and you applaud the police cop. He did not listen. Mimimimi.
Some of the people here could work for Gestapo. Would you like that?
United States of America – hahaha. No, divided. Divided People of America. Next: Civil war.
October 27th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
It’s amazing to me that this blog and its commenters scream bloody murder whenever the left does virtually anything, but you’re totally fine with the government crushing a protest because in your mind one rape accusation is justification to label the entire protest “violent”.
Some of you are just fascists in patriots’ clothing.
October 27th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
October 20th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
@Spade
“There’s a damn good reason we divorce our military from politics as much as we can.”
i hope that is NOT about to change.
what if the military gets orders to shoot on citizens,
“terrorists” alleged…….?
October 27th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
not clear above,
i meant protestors mainly.
October 27th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Thomas, were you born this retarded or did you have to work at it?
Never heard of “Posse Commitatus”, have ya?
And point–it’s been a lot more than just “one rape accusation”.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
#105 Like I said before, being a vet doesnt give anyone the right to break the law. If you choose to disobey the police, be prepared to face the consequences of your actions. As far as OWS “causing no problems what so ever” and “no proof” of OWS causing problems….well…..someone obviously hasn’t been paying attention. As far as the former Marine posing as a Sergeant, I guarantee you it was a Marine that called him out first. We eat our own son. You do anything to bring discredit upon the Marine Corps and you are promptly cast aside. Mr. Thomas brought it on himself.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
NHSparky, so how many has it been? And how many rape accusations is the threshold for shutting down a protest as some sort of rape festival? You’re grasping at straws to try to stop people because you don’t like their politics.
Also, FYI, Posse Comitatus only applies to the Army. That is why the Marine Corps has been used since the Civil War to put down riots and workers’ revolts.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Damn I think the last time Marines went into the fray with LE was the LA riots in the early 90′s.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Maybe Hurricane Katrina? Don’t have much info on that one, I was out of Country.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
I’m thinking it was the ice storm last year…all that rioting and shit outside Home Depot…
Oh, and point, get a fucking grip–AT LEAST five reported so far (NY, Cleveland, Oakland, Dallas, and Lawrence KS) on top of the other arrests for assault, theft, etc., over and above the usual “civil disobedience” bullshit.
You’re getting a reputation you don’t want and can’t shake. Hell, even some Democrats are backpedaling because of your antics.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Me get a grip? FFS, you’re talking about shutting down the Constitutional right of these people to protest because “at least five” rape accusations have been lodged. There are THOUSANDS of people out there. You’re the one who needs a grip. Good lord what an anti-freedom pants-pisser you are.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Nobody said shit about that. Do I have to put up the text of the First Amendment again?
You remember, that part that says “PEACEABLY to assemble”?
Tattoo that shit on your fucking forehead until you understand it, mkay?
October 27th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
All I see is a growing puddle around your nether region, and a tear in the corner of your eye.
Restricting their right to “peaceful” assemblies is meant to insist that protests not become riots. It’s not meant to empower weak-bladdered little boys like yourself to go shutting down your political opponents if every person in that crowd doesn’t behave “peaceably”.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
When they stop being peaceful, then they no longer have a right to protest in such a fashion. Kinda like taking the toys away from a petulant little child. Has nothing to do with your incontinence or other perceived butt-hurt.
Fact of the matter remains is when Mister Policeman has to break out the blue gloves and taser or pepper spray, you are no longer being peaceful. When Mister Policeman tells you its time to move along and you don’t, you’re gonna lose. Nobody told you that you couldn’t demonstrate, but you have to be an adult about the whole thing.
When you’re not, don’t be surprised when this happens.
As stated previously, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
October 27th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
Now you’re just ignoring what I said.
I’m pretty sure back in the 18th Century, protests weren’t exactly public square picnics. Based on your douchery here, I’m pretty sure you would have been a Tory.
“Someone should really shut those disaffected colonists up. I heard a boy was pick-pocketing in the crowd, and another man was cooking with an open fire. Send in the soldiers, clearly this mob has gotten too unruly to be respectable.”
You’re just a sunshine patriot with no balls and no respect for principle above ideology.
October 27th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
ROFLMAO…I’d say your Massengil moment has passed, scooter. The fact that there are still protests going on nationwide pretty much invalidates your entire argument.
Now play nice or your toys will get taken away again, mkay?
October 27th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
And you still miss the point. I’d say your Geritol moment has arrived.
Check in with your kids, they’ve been looking for you.
October 27th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Congrats. The fact you don’t like that the little children can’t throw their temper tantrums without some form of retribution taking place shows that you haven’t the first fucking foggiest about that of which you speak. The First Amendment doesn’t give people the right to be dicks, criminals, or create a public disruption. I’m sure you are aware there ARE limits to free speech. If you don’t, keep pushing the public around and find out how far it gets you when normal people get a good hard look at your shit and what you’ve been pulling these last several weeks.
Oh, and you may go now.
October 28th, 2011 at 12:02 am
Some people just don’t get it, and never will. Until they get shot in the face with a CS canister….
October 28th, 2011 at 12:54 am
You still can’t overcome your cognitive dissonance to understand the distinction between a handful of people in a crowd being disruptions (which will always be the case) and a crowd that is being riotous and needs to be disbursed for public safety.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:01 am
Actions. Consequences. Somehow you can’t overcome your cognitive dissonance to understand the fact you can’t separate the two.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:52 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_division
Educate yourself, you loon.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:58 am
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/28/us-usa-wallstreet-protests-oakland-idUSTRE79Q01F20111028
Right back atcha, shit for brains.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Damn… Where to start?
Just another retired Marine here, reading all of this – ‘stuff’ – written by people who should know better, and others who obviously don’t.
I am not a war hero or an ‘operator’. I just had the opportunity to do a lot of really neat things during twenty years of active duty.
Firstly, to this Thomas guy. Nice speech, and it’s true that if a Marine had been filmed beating down Hadji like those cops did, he’d be up on charges.
But if you had done your job right in the first place, it would not have been necessary. If you are going to try to lead civilians, at least attempt to organize and train them first. You should know better. You can do better.
And – If you are going to wear the uniform, at least do it right. If this movement is that important to you, wear your goddamn dress blue alphas. You may be our brother, but you are embarrassing the rest of us with your appearance. You look like some kind of half-assed, thrift shop comman…
Nevermind.
Second. Depending on the spin factor, these OWS folks were either ‘peaceful protestors’ or ‘a criminal mob’.
The truth is probably that they were a peaceful mob, spiced with a few troublemakers.
I’ve had to organize civilians, in an official capacity.
It’s not pretty.
Getting a bunch of un-trained, un-disciplined, un-focused and prone to un-ruly civvies to march in a straight line, is… Well, it’s just a bad idea. Ask any Green Beret.
For an example on how to do peaceful protest, some of the civil rights marcher from the 60′s got it right.
Link provided below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTMPZh0H0_g
Unfortunately, Occupy Wall Street is not as clear cut of a cause, as equal rights for all.
Next, as far as the whole OWS thing goes, it looks like just another misdirected side show.
There is no target identified, other than ‘Wall St.’
There is no objective identified, other than ‘occupy’.
There is no clear mission statement…
What is it that they are trying to accomplish?
Waving your arms and shouting at a building full of investment bankers is a complete waste of time, and definitely not worth a depressed skull fracture.
If you want to know who you should be protesting, George Carlin told you years ago. Look here for a refresher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV1lZMTCqf8&feature=related
‘THEY’ is not a valid target parameter.
Find out the names of the Wall Street people.
Find out the names of the politicians.
Do something constructive.
Don’t waste your time, or get hurt.
OWS is a side-show.
Lastly, I have seen some disparaging remarks about Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler. Suffice it to say that the man won TWO CMoH’s and lived. His courage and patriotism are beyond reproach. His troops are on record, stating that they would literally follow him into hell. In at least two cases, they did. If you are a Marine or currently on active duty, his booklet, titled ‘War Is a Racket’, is required reading.
As a Marine, you are responsible for knowing what you are a part of, and what you may be getting into. It behooves you to know all of our history, even the ugly parts.
As a civilian, I don’t expect you to know anything. It is your right to be stupid, useless, and a pacifistic vegetarian, if you so please. Hopefully, there are still enough productive people out there to support you.
Let your patriotism be a song in your heart, not a ring through your nose.
Semper Fi.
/rant.
October 30th, 2011 at 6:32 am
Shamar Thomas is a useful idiot for the socialist movement.
October 30th, 2011 at 8:40 am
USN ’77-’83. WestPac Aviation.
OWS Rap Sheet:
http://bigjournalism.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/
October 30th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
And another thing…
Thanks to John Riley for the cue to Saul Alinsky.
It gave me a good afternoon’s worth of reading.
By the way, where did you get ‘communist’ out of anything that he wrote? In his day, he was considered a radical non-socialist. America was considerably more conservative back then.
He seems to have accurately predicted our current state of affairs, back in 1972. Read for yourself and draw your own conclusions.
Link to interview here.
http://www.progress.org/2003/alinsky2.htm
Also check out “The Spirit of Liberty” address, by New York Chief Justice Learned Hand. See how it compares to your own interpretation of what this country stands for.
It rang a bell for me.
November 11th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Simply Wow……..our Country is in deep trouble………wow, George Bush was right it seems, it is only a “God Damn piece of paper”…..wow, Sgt. Thomas actually did what you “Service” people are supposed to do…….not kill innocent people in other counties in the name of “protecting our FREEDOMS”……wow
November 11th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Jesus H. Tapdancin Christ. Who let the stupid through? That’s twice today. And no, Shamar Thomas (I won’t grace him with a rank or position he no longer holds and sullies with his actions) didn’t do anything that will be worthy of remembering down the road, unless you could possibly count making a total jackass of yourself.
November 11th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
So we’re supposed to make ourselves look completely retarded on National television?! WOW! Who knew?
November 11th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
@133 and 134. The comment to which you refer is in code. Deciphered, the message reads, “I cannot stop being a trolling asshole, even on Veterans Day.”
November 23rd, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Good to see all of you shitheads perpetuating negative stereotypes
November 23rd, 2011 at 4:58 pm
Yes, I agree, bill brasky: PointOhThree and that idiot thomas vesley are shitheads.
November 26th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
[Quoting Shamar Thomas in YouTube of OWS]: “This is not a war zone. It’s not a war zone. It doesn’t make you tough to hurt these people. There’s nothing tough about it. Nothing. If you want to go and fight, go to Iraq and Afghanistan. You don’t want to be here beating and hurting US citizens. Where is that in the contract? Leave these people alone.”
No, it is not a “war zone.” But how is this subjective classification relevant? What defines a war zone? Why should any place be a war zone? And why should such an arbitrary classification change the rules of civilized behavior? The police should not have the power to create such a designation and neither should the US military Mr. Thomas represents. Yes, there is nothing “tough” about what the police are doing but there is also “nothing tough about” the US military hurting people in Iraq. And the fact that this particular country has been declared a “war zone” by those inflicting this violence does not justify or excuse such activity.
“Go to Iraq and Afghanistan” if you want to fight? Fight who? Natives acting to repel brutal aggressors? Is that somehow more honorable or rational than attacking protestors on US streets? Why is it wrong to hurt people in the US but quite acceptable to hurt people in Iraq and Afghanistan? What did those people ever do to you? Why would anyone even sarcastically suggest to hurt them if one feels a need to “fight?”
~ Roger Young, “Sgt. Thomas Is a Hypocrite”
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/young-r6.1.1.html
November 26th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
And “Sic semper tyrannis”?
You guys really ought to start with the “tyrannis” here at home.
You know, PATRIOT Act? Drug War? TSA? “Homeland Security”?
Indeed, I wonder that they don’t keep you all focused on whupping up on foreign “tyrannis” — AND their hapless civilian subjects — to distract you from all the domestic “tyrannis” here in the United States of Godblessamerica.
November 26th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Shamar Thomas does not represent the military, let alone the Marines, anymore than code pink does.
November 26th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Frank, are you a paulbot? Never mind, the question is self-answering.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:28 am
UpNorth,
Ad hominem much?
Yes, this vet’s a Ron Paul supporter. Bring the troops home and defend the US, don’t pretend we’re defending the US by garrisoning the globe.
Which, BTW, was the view advocated by Marine General Smedley Butler (1881-1940) in his book “War Is A Racket” (http://www.scuttlebuttsmallchow.com/racket.html).
Are you aware that Rep. Paul receives more donations from active duty military members than either President Obama, or the rest of the combined Republican presidential field?
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9044-ron-paul-campaign-receive-most-military-donations
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/07/ron-paul-military-campaign-donations-/1
http://digitaljournal.com/article/310783
http://technorati.com/politics/article/why-veterans-love-ron-paul/
So yes, I’m a “PaulBot” — proud of it.
Next time, bring an actual rebuttal.
November 27th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
“In that five-month interval the people had not been asked whether they had changed their minds. The 4,000,000 young men who put on uniforms and marched or sailed away were not asked whether they wanted to go forth to suffer and die”.
“There is only one way to disarm with any semblance of practicability. That is for all nations to get together and scrap every ship, every gun, every rifle, every tank, every war plane. Even this, if it were possible, would not be enough”.
Both quotes from To Hell With War. Admirable sentiments, impractical as hell in today’s world, or even the world of Smedley Butler.
As for “ad hominem much”, all I can say is “One of the most widely misused terms on the Net is “ad hominem”. It is most often introduced into a discussion by certain delicate types, delicate of personality and mind, whenever their opponents resort to a bit of sarcasm. As soon as the suspicion of an insult appears, they summon the angels of ad hominem to smite down their foes, before ascending to argument heaven in a blaze of sanctimonious glory”. Is that where you were going, Frank?
And, Dr Paul is going to remove US troops from Afghanistan “as soon as the ships get there”? You might want to drop him an e-mail and remind him that Afghanistan is land-locked. But, maybe the Mullahs in Iran will let him dock the ships there, he seems to be cozy with them.
November 27th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
UpNorth,
Re. ad hominem:
Clever words (from Stephen Bonds at http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html). But no, that’s hardly “where I was going.” (And BTW, thanks for putting me in touch w/Mr. Bonds’ site; I’ll have to give it a further look.)
So I found and read the article you got the “ad hominem” quote from. Not having received any actual training in logic and rhetoric, I readily concede that my use of “ad hominem” was incorrect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Common_misconceptions).
So let’s back-track: At [139], I mentioned examples of the soft — but steadily stiffening — tyranny we experience here in America; and how it would be nice if the troops would give them more attention than they give foreign tyrants (like Moammar Gadhafi), who don’t fall under the legitimate jurisdiction of the United States anyways.
Your (non-)response? Name-calling.
No substantive engagement with anything I said. Just “Must be a paulbot.”
Not ad hominem, I grant.
But hardly a rebuttal.
And as for my being “delicate”? Hardly. Call me (or my mother, wife or sister) whatever you like, it won’t bother me in the least.
November 27th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Frank, you need to lay off that Lew Rockwell shit. It’ll rot your brain.
November 27th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
UpNorth,
Re. the two out-of-context quotes from Butler’s last chapter of War is a Racket:
Not entirely sure what your point is. You reply, “Admirable sentiments, impractical as hell in today’s world, or even the world of Smedley Butler.”
But Butler was hardly a pacifist. He knew the political realities of the world. And the technological ones — that more and more armament “genies” keep getting out of the bottle and will not be put back in.
He was not an advocate for disarmament, but for genuine national defense. Go ahead, read the rest of “War is a Racket.” You’ll see. (It’s a very brief “book” — you can read it in an hour or less.)
Butler didn’t defend the US by fighting against the Philippine insurrectionists or the Boxer rebels, or in United Fruit Co’s Banana Wars.
Young men conscripted to fight in the Great War, Korea or Vietnam, weren’t defending the US.
And neither the 1990 Gulf War, nor the 2003 invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq, were legitimate — i.e., defensive — wars.
I also recommend Butler’s Sep. 1936 article, “An Amendment for Peace” (http://justwarriors.blogspot.com/2009/11/smedley-butler-amendment-for-peace.html).
November 27th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
HNSparky,
Really?
Is that all you got?
November 27th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
UpNorth,
“Dr Paul is going to remove US troops from Afghanistan “as soon as the ships get there”?”
… please …
And Ron Paul is “cozy with the Mullahs in Iran”?
Sheesh, is this really the best “thinking” that apologists for US militarism can muster?
November 27th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Frankly, I’ve been dealing with Ronulans for the past five years. I’ve got shitloads more than is worth posting in a single sitting, but nothing that 1–hasn’t been told you and your fellow Kool-Aid slurpers ad nauseam, 2–you will listen to even if I did.
Suffice to say anyone who follows a guy who has/had a racist newsletter, hangs out with truthers/Stormfront/other assorted whackjobs, has a foreign policy which would result in widespread death and destruction on our shores, and holds up a guy whose only claim to fame was the fact he was awarded the MOH twice under circumstances he himself felt didn’t justify the award (in either case) when the fact that if he HADN’T received the MOH you wouldn’t give him the time of day makes me want to do something more worthwhile with my time than to argue with you.
Included in those things I’d rather do than waste time with you would be activities like filing my teeth then chewing on tinfoil, crawling on broken glass followed up by a swim in a pool of rubbing alcohol, or simply punching myself in the balls. At least with those actions, the pain eventually subsides.
November 27th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Hey Frank,
I’d call it “pretty cozy” considering he doesn’t seem to have a problem with the mullahs getting a nuclear weapon.
Now consider, unless he’s totally fucking delusional (not beyond the realm of possibility) he KNOWS full well that Iran will use it. Three guesses who gets the first one. Yeah, you see where I’m going. And yeah, Paul IS an anti-Semite.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
NHSparky,
“… he KNOWS full well that Iran will use it. Three guesses who gets the first one. … ["Israel" implied by] And yeah, Paul IS an anti-Semite.”
I’m sorry, but assuming you’re either active duty or a vet, what part of our enlistment oath said that we swore to defend Israel? Go ahead, look it up … I’ll wait.
Iran certainly may be developing a nuclear weapon. (And tell me once more: As a sovereign nation, why do they not have that right? And please, something more convincing than “Because the US of A says they don’t.”)
However, with 300+ nukes — and reliable methods of delivery — Israel can jolly well take care of herself on that front. Google “Osirak 1981.”
BTW, anti-semite breath, “[Ron] Paul was in Congress when Israel bombed Iraq’s Osirak nuclear plant in 1981 and — unlike the United Nations and the Reagan administration — defended its right to do so.” http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/magazine/22Paul-t.html?pagewanted=all Paul ain’t an “anti-semite,” you dope. He believes in national sovereignty for all nations — for Israel as well as for Iran.
But I know that’s a tough pill for interventionistas to swallow.
Israel doesn’t need the US of A to help, permit or forbid them from taking whatever defensive action she deems necessary.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Oh Christ…here we go. Lemme guess…now you’re gonna tell me the Liberty was intentional?
And yeah, I have a problem with a country who has stated publicly they’d like to wipe another country off the map obtaining a nuke.
November 27th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
“I also recommend Butler’s Sep. 1936 article, “An Amendment for Peace” (http://justwarriors.blogspot.com/2009/11/smedley-butler-amendment-for-peace.html)”. Oh, puh-leeze… Oh, soo sorry, you were serious?
And,this gem, “
IranNazi Germany certainly may be developing a nuclear weapon. (And tell me once more: As a sovereign nation, why do they not have that right? And please, something more convincing than “Because the US of A says they don’t.”)” Or, is that not what you meant?November 27th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
And FWIW Frank, my oath said, “…against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” as well as a little part of obeying the orders of the C-in-C and officers above me. If those orders mean supporting an ally, part of the job.
November 27th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
I dunno, Sparky m’lad. Maybe you think that, by virtue of the fact that we’re the only nation who has ever actually used nukes — and unnecessarily, and on civilian targets — we are therefore somehow Chosen By God to decide which of the rest of the nations get to have them and which nations don’t.
As for the rest of your worthless anti-Ron Paul rant, “shitloads” is an apt description. (Not that it would make a difference to you, but I am unaware that he “holds up” Gen. Butler.)
And lastly, re. Gen. Butler, save your amateur psychoanalysis (“if he HADN’T received the MOH you wouldn’t give him the time of day” — for your keggers. It’s weak sauce.
Ever heard of USAF Capt. Dale Noyd (1933-2007)? An F-100 pilot who received a medal for bravery for landing a crippled, nuke-armed aircraft. He was also court martialed for refusing to train Vietnam-bound pilots, on the basis of his objection to increasing US involvement in Vietnam.
Or USA WO Hugh Thompson Jr. (1943-2006)? He’s the helicopter pilot who interposed between Lt. Calley’s men and the villagers at My Lai, ordering his crew to fire on any US soldier who continued to fire on the villagers.
And you know of USA Spec. Pat Tillman (1976-2004). You probably don’t know that he considered the Iraq war “f___ing illegal.”
And USA Lt. Ehren Watada, who preferred to face court martial than disobey his conscience and go to Iraq, which he considered to be an illegal war.
Not a MOH winner among ‘em, so far as I know.
But in my book, honorable men all, who definitely deserve the time of day, because of their willingness to think for themselves and follow their consciences while serving in the US military.
You may now cast aspersions on all these men, like you did with Gen. Butler. Evidently it’s what you do.
But I’m done with you.
November 27th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
UpNorth,
Godwin’s Rule. You’re out.
(But you sure get lots of mental exercise — low-impact, I suspect — trying to guess “what I meant” or “where I’m going.” Too bad you’re always wrong.)
Sparky m’lad,
What part of “Israel has 300+ nukes and can take good care of herself” don’t you understand?
How is keeping Israel on a leash — or being kept on her leash? — in the interest of America’s national security?
And lastly, yes, the USS Liberty incident does stink to high heaven. Ask the men who served on her.
You know … US military men. (The guys on your side, I thought?)
Cheers …
November 27th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
The fact that you consider Watada a “hero” pretty much says it all. And as far as Tillman goes, why enlist if that’s the way he felt if in fact he even said those words?
And as far as Noyd? Surely you have heard of the expressions “dereliction of duty” and “failure to follow lawful order”?
Finally, you think dropping nukes was unnecessary? Look up the order of battle for Operation Downfall and the casualty estimates. Keep in mind that none of the estimates went more than the first 45 days of fighting, and most didn’t consider naval casualties. Every single Purple Heart given since the end of WWII was intended to be issued during Downfall.
Every. Single. Fucking. One. And we’re nowhere near out of them yet, 66 years later. Yeah, you’re fucking done alright.
November 28th, 2011 at 12:11 am
(Though loathsome and offensive, I can’t look away … )
NHSparky,
“why enlist if that’s the way he felt”
Tillman enlisted in 2002. He wanted to go kill or capture UBL and other AQ terrorists in Afghanistan.
His unit was sent to Iraq, as part of the 2003 invasion.
Okay, now here’s a math question: Which came first, his enlistment, or the invasion?
“if in fact he even said those words?”
He said them to his brother, Kevin, and to their best buddy, Spec. Russell Baer, as they witnessed the air attack at the beginning of the Iraq invasion.
(You simply can’t resist doubting what your fellow troops have to say whenever it doesn’t fit the interventionist paradigm, can you?)
“Watada” – I didn’t say “hero,” I said “honorable.” Regardless, it takes bigger stones to stand for what your conscience says is right than it takes to “follow orders” when your conscience convinces you those orders are wrong. Ditto for Noyd.
(Incidentally, though the Army Court tried to suppress the entirely legitimate issue of whether or not Watada thought the Iraq war was illegal, they stepped on their own schwantz, and were forced to scuttle their own case. And when they attempted to re-try, Watada walked: Double Jeopardy is unconstitutional.)
Lastly, re. nuking “the Japs” (that’s what they were to you, right?): By that time, a land invasion of Japan was unnecessary. Japan was ready to surrender.
Ready. To. Surrender.
(Hey. Neat. Trick.)
But thanks for the interesting history on the 500,000 Purple Heart medals.
Sincerely.
November 28th, 2011 at 12:14 am
… but we could have a whole lot more Purple Hearts on the shelves if we didn’t send men to Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon, Iraq …
Hey, wouldn’t that be grand?
November 28th, 2011 at 12:16 am
And here you said you were done. Once again the asshole just has to get in the last word.
So there’s a such a thing as a dishonorable hero, or an honorable coward in your book? And what color is the sky on your planet again?
November 28th, 2011 at 12:18 am
Uh oh….looks like someone isn’t familiar with the Kyujo incident. Turns out Japan wasn’t all that ready to surrender after all.
November 28th, 2011 at 12:20 am
And no, the Japanese were nowhere near ready to surrender. The fact they fought over a shithole rock like Iwo for as long as they did should tell you something. And ready to surrender? Ask the guys on the Indy if those Japanese were ready to surrender.
There are those who know, those who don’t know, but you? You don’t even suspect.
November 28th, 2011 at 1:59 am
From “U.S. to Send First Delegation to Hiroshima A-Bomb Ceremony” by Warren Mass, The New American, 04 August 2010:
November 28th, 2011 at 2:02 am
What I “suspect,” NHSparky, is that in your mind, whenever the US military is involved, there is never fault to be found on “our side.”
Unless, of course, US military members suggest either Israel or the US military have done something wrong.
November 28th, 2011 at 2:03 am
Redacted,
Correction: Turns out certain elements within Japan weren’t all that ready to surrender after all.
November 28th, 2011 at 2:09 am
Semantics. You can’t counter facts with an opinion.
November 28th, 2011 at 3:03 am
@165- http://michaelturton.blogspot.com/2005/07/hiroshima-time-again.html
Read it. It’s long, but Prof. Turton has put together a comprehensive work on the subject matter.
November 28th, 2011 at 4:09 am
I remember reading something to that exstent too. That there was a attempted coup for control of the Japanese government between sides that wanted to surrender and those that did not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%ABj%C5%8D_Incident
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Imperial_Rescript_on_Surrender
November 28th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Bottom line, Francis here needs to lighten up more than a little bit.
He puts words in other people’s mouths, “Lastly, re. nuking “the Japs” (that’s what they were to you, right?),” cites Lew Rockwell or his fellow blogspot dipshits, which is about a half-step above (below?) Duff on the fucking whacked out scale, and holds up shitbags like Watada as “honorable”.
Tells me all I fucking need to know about this dipshit. Hell, he’s probably like that fat fuck who gets dressed up on Veterans Day for the free food then tells us what suckers we are.
Memo to Frank: Go back to your Airsoft playing Oathkeeper buddies, mkay?
November 28th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Oh, clever, Sparky. So clever.
Just a perfect example of what evidently passes for substantive commentary on this blog.
Go back and take a lesson from PhooBar at (128). I don’t necessarily agree with everything he says, but the man knows how to engage with ideas rather than name-calling.
And “Airsoft” and “Oathkeeper”?
Uhh, that would be a miss and a miss.
November 28th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Redacted,
Fact: The political leadership of Japan had been trying to surrender. (See references at [163].)
Fact: Elements within the Japanese military opposed that, and as the post-nuke surrender effort got closer, some of those elements attempted a coup d’etat.
(And I stated opinion where?)
November 28th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Then explain the outcome of Okinawan and Iwo Jima where there were almost no prisoners that surrendered? Military or Civilian?
Not to mention their jet programs that were being put into place to intercept high altitude bombers like the B-29. Or their suicide rockets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakajima_Kikka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokosuka_MXY7
http://www.wanpela.com/holdouts/list.html
November 28th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
From post # 163: It is my OPINION that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already beaten and ready to surrender….
~ Admiral William Leahy, I Was There
You really should read what you copy and paste.
So they got nuked twice and the military was willing to continue fighting, which is why they attempted a coup. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
November 28th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Tell ya what, Frank–why don’t you ask some of the Japanese “yutes” what they think of the atrocities their military committed during WWII.
Oh, that’s right–they don’t teach that to their kids.
And I thought you were leaving?
November 28th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Spork–I’ve been to the Phillipines, and was stationed on Guam. Yeah, someone forgot to tell Sgt. Yokoi, I guess. Oh wait, they DID try to tell him. He still hung out in the hills until 1972. He wasn’t all that unusual. For several years they were rooting guys out of the jungle on islands all over the Pacific. Who knew, right?
November 28th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Spork,
Japanese weapons development: My guess would be that wartime R&D continued apace, regardless of imperial attempts to discuss terms of surrender (and especially since Allied forces evidently had other plans — unconditional Japanese surrender, stalling to allow the Soviets the chance to declare war against Japan, etc.).
Holdouts: Uhh, so? Maybe some guys don’t get the message (although I’d consider this highly unlikely). Some others fight on, despite the emperor’s orders to surrender.
Doesn’t negate the fact that McArthur had transmitted a Japanese surrender communiqué in January 1945.
November 28th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Sparky,
1. I did leave. Last night, at bedtime.
Came back again today.
(Besides, I’ve poked around this place a bit. There seems to be this childish mindset of running your opponents down if they continue to return, and running them down if they don’t return.)
I’ll leave — and return — when I please.
2. Don’t know what a “yute” is. But I do know the Japanese committed unspeakable atrocities during WWII.
So what’s your point? That justifies US atrocities?
November 28th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Stalling? Really? Do a bit of a timeline from Trinity to Hiroshima. Where do you cut time? Perhaps you should go review the Japanese rebuttal to the Potsdam Declaration on July 26th.
November 28th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
You want to call them atrocities. I call them an expeditious end to a war and an alternative to a conventional invasion which would have cost American and Japanese lives in the millions if not tens of millions.
And if refuting your bullshit is considered “running your opponents down”, well, just put me behind the wheel and I’ll stomp on the gas.
Frankly, your grasp on history is tenuous and one-sided at best, and your grasp on current events and politics, both national and international, is even worse. It’s not that I don’t like you, it’s just that you’re so, well…WRONG.
November 28th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Frank
Those were the terms set long before for all of the countries in the AXIS powers. I also do not see how the USSR being in the war against Japan would have helped the allies interest. On the contrary it caused more problems. The Korean War could be seen as a result of the USSR involvement. Also a USSR occupied Japan would have been worse for the country in the long run considering how Germany was split for almost fifty years.
Also if this was about the people who were killed in the day light raids, the fire bombing would be talked about in equal amount to the atomic bomb. But it is not. Even when more people were killed in the individual fire bomb raids then from the atomic bomb. The biggest thing about the atomic bomb was that it was done by a single plane.
Another reason that many peopled died that day was that they thought that it was a solo recon plane and did not take shelter according to a survivor.
May 19th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Wow, marines are hateful aholes, glad Shamar is a better standard of guy. These comments show what total uneducated morons you are. Thank god for Shamar, we love him, a real brave dude!
May 19th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Oh my! civilianforever, that really hurt! I think I’m gonna cry!
Do you realize how ignorant you’ve just made yourself look? Where did you go to MCRD? What was your MOS? What rank were you? How many Marines were you responsible for? What units did you serve with? Unless you’re a Marine, you should consider the adage, “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
I am very active in local politics and I won’t even wear a polo shirt with the Eagle, Globe & Anchor if I think a function I will attend might be remotely considered a ‘party function’. My service in the Marine Corps has nothing to do with my political ideology. I will not dishonor my Corps nor myself by trying to use my title to influence people.
May 19th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Yat, go easy on the Occutard in # 181. It took him about 7 months to come up with that witty, intelligent, incisive rejoinder.
Must be that civilianforever’s mommy wouldn’t kick in the cab fare for it to attend the Occutard Festival in Chicago this weekend.
May 19th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
@183, lol.
@181, Way to bring this out of the archive closet. You are the definition of retarded.
May 20th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Hi. Let me begin by saying that I am a civilian.
Having never served in any branch of the armed forces I am unaware of many aspects of what those of you who did make the decision to join had to go through in combat situations. I came to this site because I’ve been trying to make sense of what is going on with the whole OWS movement, and bumped into the youtube video of Shamar Thomas, and followed up with some fact checking (always been my policy to do so when presented with information about important issues). I do not typically post things online due to a lack of desire to get involved in some kind of puerile flame war with people just trying to get a rise out of folks. Likewise I would not typically choose to post to a forum thread as old as this one after reading it, but I read civilianforever’s comment, which is recent enough.
@civilianforever
The people who make up this site are our veterans. They are our countrymen. They went out there with a sense of purpose and honor to defend our country, and they were willing to put their lives on the line for what they believed in. I may not personally agree with every political opinion put up here, but I still have a deep and abiding respect for the men and women who are willing to undergo unknown horror in order to preserve and protect our nation. As far as OWS is concerned, yes the nation could stand to make a few changes, yes we’re in an economic crisis, and yes there is certainly a huge gap between the common man, and the incredibly wealthy.
But please bear in mind that we live in the United States of America. No one is censoring our letters, no one is coming into our homes and raping our mothers, daughters, sisters, or wives. We aren’t publicly executed when we speak out against the government. We have the right to own firearms and protect out homes. We aren’t killed for not believing in a state-sponsored religion. Our cities and towns aren’t being stormed by raiders wielding ak-47′s. Our roads aren’t patrolled by death-squads. The last time we were bombarded by any kind of arial assault or artillery was back at Pearl Harbor. And war has not set foot on american soil for over 70 years.
So yes, our country has some issues, but it’s still our home. Our homeless can go to soup kitchens when they’re hungry, and missions when it’s cold out. People who live under the poverty line have it better here than anywhere else in the world. We have the freedom to believe in whatever religion we choose. And we have the power as citizens of this country to affect policy at both a local and national level. These are good things.
And these are all made possible by our military’s ability to prevent some other nation from coming in and wiping it all out. Whether or not you agree with these people, you should at least recognize what they’re willing to risk to keep this country strong. It’s no coincidence that we haven’t been directly attacked since Pearl Harbor, our military might has fended off those who would try. And it would appear that this nation of ours has plenty of people who would love the opportunity.
Even (especially) if your comment was posted just to elicit a response, it is entirely inappropriate for you to insult our vets who were and are willing to give it all to keep this country from being turned into some kind of communist hell hole. Know your betters and show some respect.
@Everyone on this site with a service record
From the bottom of my heart, thank you for everything you have done for this country. God Bless the USA.
May 21st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Tman & Cedo, you are both INCORRECT regarding the Marines Combat Action Ribbon (CAR) versus the Army’s Combat Infantry Badge. The Marine Corps does not issue CAR based on ones MOS since it considers ALL Marines a Rifleman and capable of exterminating the enemy in a fire-fight. But the Marine is required to actually be involved in a fire-fight. I can’t remember the prerequistes for receiving the Army’s (yes, former 11B) CIB, but correct me if I’m wrong but a soldier is awarded the “Combat Patch” by simply being in a Combat Zone for X amount of days whether you see any enemy or not? What are the CIB requirements other than wearing a Blue Cord (Infantry)? Semper Fi!
May 23rd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
I thank Sgt Taylor for speaking out! Our rights are being stripped away daily and the rest of the country stands by and says nothing. My family has a background steeped in military service, and I think it is noble for a man to stand up and speak up. You may not agree…I don’t care. Thank you for your service but this man has every right to speak his mind and do so from the heart. Stay safe!
May 23rd, 2012 at 6:55 pm
This thread wants brains…
Shamar Thomas tried to pick a fight with cops and they didn’t bite.
May 24th, 2012 at 9:30 am
whas rite about getting your head broke with a batton for rich bankers who have messed everyone up ? mmmmm ! at least he had conviction regards the fellow protesters . . . John. SAS.
May 24th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Yeah . The SAS . Royal boy out ! J.V.
May 24th, 2012 at 9:46 am
True, but he doesn’t have to do it while looking like a bag of smashed assholes. Either way he’s still a fucking idiot.
May 24th, 2012 at 9:56 am
…press it the politicians that pressured the bankers to make a bunch of crap loans, or the community organizer that sued the banks to give the riskier loans, or was it the community organizations that hired the community organizer that sued the banks to give the riskier loans that were pressure by the federal government, or was it the predatory lenders who gave the loans that were…
May 24th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Sharon, you have the mental capacity of a fluke worm. He can speak his mind all he wants so long as he doesn’t parade around in his goddamn uniform. The military is strictly apolitical for good reason. The nitwits like Thomas whore out the uniform to feed their pathological narcissism and persecution complexes. If you actually had veterans in your family you would understand this. Shamar Thomas can say whatever crap he wants, so long as he’s not wearing the uniform to attract attention. Unfortunately he is clearly doing such.
May 24th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Anonymous, if you did less mooching, squatting, vandalism, and all around criminal thuggery then you’ll be amazed to find that the police do not use force on you. If you want to stick it to those allegedly evil bankers then get a real job, and become a productive member of society. Professional homelessness is nothing of the sort.
May 24th, 2012 at 10:44 am
And Anonymous these rich bankers wouldn’t have been an issue if people used a smidgen of common sense and bought houses within their budgets.
September 11th, 2012 at 4:09 am
You panzies are real fin bunch of whinning little maggots. You are too fckin stupid to figure out he wore his cammie top so some equally dumb azz cop wouldnot just start something because a citizen dared speak up. Oh by the way you generally have to return fire or be part of a crew that returned fire to get a combat action ribbon. A combat patch is awarded to fobbits who never fired a weapon and sat their fat butt in air conditioning in a t walled trailer. Hardly the same numb nuts. Not suprised how some t bagger started this and most of you blue falcon mtfs dont have a clue to military awards or lingo because you are wannabees. Now stuff that in your shorts. Roger that.
September 11th, 2012 at 5:05 am
This from a brain damaged 4chan reject who has yet to master the intricacies of the English language, including spelling, punctuation, syntax, and capitalization, among other things.
Oh, the irony.
Trust me Pete, you’re not helping the Marine stereotype any. Go back to your mommy’s basement, sharpen your mental machete, and when you think you’re ready, go back and prepare some more, because I guarantee you’re not.
Psst…little clue for ya, scooter…most of us are in fact veterans. Many here are in fact combat veterans.
In the lingo of my service, get some fucking time on the pond, nub.
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
its seems that the corps really each alot of pride in the uniforms. hopefully when shamar comes into a greater uniform u wont have to hear just words
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:34 pm
it seems that the corps teaches alot of pride in the uniform. hopefully when shamar grows into a greater 1 we wont hear just words.
February 21st, 2013 at 1:18 am
Warehouse clerk indeed! And apparently used to sitting around! Have you seen this joker on Survivor? http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/cast/203613/ On his profile he talks about him being “cool and respected” and being big on teamwork- not seeing it here in the least bit! Plenty of service members (I am one- Army, OIF1) work all hours of the day. Heck his own team members out there- old, frail, and otherwise are all pitching in, where does he get off?
http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=27117
February 27th, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Impeach Osama I mean obama