Wearing their bloody shirt
Everyone is sending links to articles about Scott Olsen, a two-tour veteran of iraq and a member of veterans For peace and Iraq veterans Against the War. olsen was injured when Oakland police attempted to clear the groups of smelly hippies and other protesters from their occupation. olsen, according to news reports, has a fractured skull from a projectile launched by police (by projectile, I’m guessing everyone means a rubber bullet, but they don’t want to say it out loud).
It’s terrible that Olsen has been injured in such a brutal fashion, what’s really terrible is the way the hippies and the prtend veterans of Veterans For Peace are using his broken carcass for their own purposes.
I don’t know if Olsen is really a Marine or if he had two tours of Iraq behind him…those of you with MOL accounts can find that out, since he left the Corp last year, supposedly. I’d like to believe that there are veterans out there who are who they say they are…it’s rare, but I want to believe it.
I also don’t know what happened to Olsen or who did it, but even if what teh hippies are saying is entirely true, he shouldn’t have been resisting the police, which is what all of the crowd were doing. the hippies are saying he was injured for “speaking out” but he wasn’t speaking out, he was breaking the law. Veterans don’t get a pass when they break the law, even if it’s just a law we don’t agree with.
Now, the hippies get to hide behind Olsen’s broken body and make a martyr of him…someone they would have spit on a few weeks ago and called a baby-killer. Scott, if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas. laying down with VFP and IVAW gets you shot with rubber bullets. And then they get to use your unconcious body as a bloody shirt.
And IVAW gets to use your blood-stained image to raise money;
October 27th, 2011 at 8:44 am
its the crying for a medic that really gets me. This isn’t freaking Baghdad.
Those pops, while sounding scary couldn’t really hurt you unless you were i dunno holding them right against your body when they go off, and really CS isn’t that bad. it’s not clear what happened in this video, and its not clear if this guy isn’t bust stoned out of his mind and did pick up one of those CS grenades to look at it.
I am less and less inclined to believe any of the faux theatrics, and “dramatic” video as it becomes clear that its staged more and more.
October 27th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Couldn’t find him in MOL. The only Scott Olsen on MOL is a Colonel.
This could just mean that he is completely free of his IRR time (at which time, MOL removes you from the system).
October 27th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Anybody else thinking he fell down during the rush to get away from CS and stingerballs?
Anyone ever heard of stingerball grenades causing injuries like that?
I suppose a 12ga or 40mm beanbag at point blank could crack a skull, but at any distance I would think it would leave a hell of a bruise but not crack a skull.
These tools have been shown to be lethal in freak occasions–hence the proper term less-lethal vice non-lethal.
October 27th, 2011 at 9:20 am
Play stupid games…win stupid prizes.
Tough shit.
October 27th, 2011 at 9:25 am
All theatrics no real substance.
October 27th, 2011 at 9:30 am
As I understand. The park had already been cleared and that he was injured when a group tried to march back and re-occupy. The march was blocked by riot police, things got ugly, objects were thrown at the police and they responded with tear gas. It is possible the “projectile” was a gas canister.
October 27th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Thanks Spigot, I just blew coffee all over my lap-top.
October 27th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Anybody know Sgt. Shamar Thomas?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/police-brutality-against-ows-mob-worse-than-violence-in-iraq-says-us-marine-video/
October 27th, 2011 at 9:48 am
@8: Yeah, Valerie, he was covered at length, previously.
October 27th, 2011 at 9:52 am
As for Olsen: If I knew a donation would go to him, I would be inclined to donate, but since I suspect it will go to some general fund for the group, I am not likely to donate without assurances that all the money will go to help him.
As Jonn indicates, it is highly likely that he is being used as a fundraiser for the group.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:37 am
FYI Lilyea his skull was fractured by a tear gas canister and if something like this happened at a tea party protest you wouldn’t be questioning this guys service, but of course since he has at an occupy protest he must be a dirty hippy fake.
You’re the only fraud lilyea your support for veterans only extends to the ones who completely agree with your politics you’re a disgusting human being!!
Jonn added: Ya know what, Nicole Besner, of Cranford, NJ, I can’t find a record of your service either. So what’s up with that?
October 27th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Got DD214?
October 27th, 2011 at 10:51 am
@13 That isn’t my name that is what is up with that.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:52 am
#11–your are now FUCKING OWNED!
October 27th, 2011 at 10:54 am
But keep trying, I can’t wait to hear where I live or what my name is next time.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Obama girl, when a large percentage of fakes have been found in a group we have a issue with people that associate with that group. Also, like earlier stated just because he is a vet he doesn’t get a free pass. I know talking to you is like talking to a fence post, but hell I don’t have anything better to do right now anyway.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:56 am
The flaw in your argument OG is the assumption that there would ever be cause for tear gas to be deployed at a Tea Party event.
October 27th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Yes OG, I remember well all those Tea Party protests where women were getting raped, all the drug dealing, thievery, the defecating on cop cars, and finally all the times the TP folks had to get busted up using tear gas, riot cops, and rubber bullets.
Asshole.
October 27th, 2011 at 11:14 am
At the 15 second mark on the video you can see Olson drop like a sack of s##t. Don’t think he was hit by a canister.
October 27th, 2011 at 11:30 am
There is live video.
Olsen was part of a mob that was intentionally confronting PD and refusing PD lawful orders to disperse. That mob was throwing stones and bottles at the thin PD line.
Olsen appears to have been hit with a thrown tear gas canister that exploded just before or just after impact.
Olsen was still conscious and using his cell phone when the crowd picked him up and dragged him away. Which is a really stupid thing to do to an injured person.
His friends state that he walked into the ER.
Standing near Olsen just before things went pear shaped is somebody in Navy whites, waving an IVAW flag.
FOR
NOW,
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October 27th, 2011 at 11:30 am
@18 I remember Tea Party protest with racist signs and agendas
October 27th, 2011 at 11:32 am
I find it amusing that this very blog that condoned killing cops is now holding them up as highly professional
October 27th, 2011 at 11:40 am
You hit it out of the park with that one NHSparky, to which I could only add that old Marine Proverb “Fuck’em and let’em eat fish heads…Drive On.
October 27th, 2011 at 11:50 am
UhOh…looks like somebody got PO’ed at the Oakland PoPo..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ieeNvciXULM
October 27th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Such as, OG? Lasf time I checked, the American Nazi Party and David Duke had nothing to do with the Tea Party. OWS, otoh….
October 27th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
#12. Pics or it didn’t happen. Seriously.
October 27th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
I meant #21, NOT #12, sorry Spork.
October 27th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
It’s my understanding that people are still not clear what he was hit with. Having said that throwing that flash-bang when they went to go get him was wrong. It was an unnecessary cheap shot.
Also there is no proof he was committing a crime. But even other activists have stated that there where radical elements there assaulting police. This is what happens with these groups do not make a clear stand against violence; it ends up hurting here own.
If he is a real Vet I too would give money but it would more likely go to pay an ISO members bloated salary.
October 27th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
OG just pull random shit out your ass there? I remember the people heading out to discredit the Tea Party by infiltrating it…
October 27th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Oh well, if he had not been out ther at all, this BS would not have happened. He brought this upon himself.
October 27th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
After watching the video 3 times, I still can’t tell what he got hit with. Can anyone say definitively that he wasn’t hit with a random bottle or rock?
Sparky, in #25, don’t forget the CPUSA, along with the Nazis.
October 27th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
A gas grenade, either CS or CN, thrown by hand is no different than a smoke grenade and would not do this injury. However if fired from the 37mm gas gun it would,
October 27th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
@9 – Thanks.
Just trying to get a handle on all the “Who” parts.
October 27th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
#24, Spigot, now that is comedy gold.
October 27th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
@19: It looks like he was a little close when the flash/bang of the grenade happened, or as others have said, it may have been one fired from a launcher that bounced off his melon before hitting the ground. Either way, it’s a bad situation.
October 27th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
It may be the perspective of the camera, but it looks like a gas canister explodes BEHIND him right before he goes down. Of course, it might have ricocheted off his noggin.
October 27th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
@21 ObamaGirl – I SURE would like to see your photos and such of ‘raaa-cist (yes, I spelled it wrong, on purpose even) signs and agenda.”
Having been at numerous Tea Party events I have Never, not once seen a “raaa-cist sign” and heaven knows the agenda was not racist…HAHAHA..
OH wait..You must be talking about all those Lyndon LaRouche supporters that show up any where and everywhere. Part of the lefty loons that have somehow gotten into the movement.
What a Marxist that man is…yeah…YOUR SIDE!
As far as Scott Olsen. Sad, but shit happens when you go up against the cops that have already asked you to leave. Sorry, I don’t feel bad for the guy. Yes..I’m hard-hearted today!
October 27th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
@37 Somebody has been listening 2 way 2 much Michael Savage, learn to think for yourself!!
October 27th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
@38 Obama girl
You said yesterday that you only come on this site twice a week yet you posted on three different days this week. Is someone confused?
October 27th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
The video shows the cannisters landing and popping off and some knuckleheads are dead in their tracks or are moving towards the gas. It also looks like some knucklehead picked up a cannister and hurled it toward the sender. Who was that? I don’t know but Olsen didn’t boogie and the stuff doesn’t fly without warnings to disperse. That makes Olsen plain stupid. Screw ‘em.
October 27th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
@38
Ooooooooh guuuuuuuurll *snap*
I DO think foh mahsef!! I also do what is known as research!
When you do research and stuffs like dat, ya learn a lil sumpin sumpin. Furthermore, I dont listen to Savage.
Why don’t you, MsThang, quit listening to your BF, and others and do some research for youself. Oh yeah..and throw all those talkin points away cuz they aint doin you a bit a good.
October 27th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Ohhh To Be A Martyr For The Revolution!!!
Police may want to post guards around Olson’s ward. Nothing sucks worse for a Revolution than a Martyr who lives.
October 27th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Well the IVAW is out trolling the military facebook sites now. I just saw someone out posting this shit on U.S Army WTF moments page.
October 27th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Left-wing site Mother Jones seems pretty confident that the violence began when protester started throwing bottles of paint, vinegar and urine at the police.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2011/10/occupy-oakland-protesters-violence
October 27th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
OG trying to prove that the Tea Party was nearly as bad as OWS? wow. The two couldn’t be more different.
If he had a cracked skull, I’m not entirely sure how he could of gotten it if he was “peacefully” protesting. Its pretty clear that this was NOT peaceful or orderly.
October 27th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
I saw the video and wasn’t sure if it was OWS in Oakland or just a bunch of pissed off Canuks rioting in Vancouver when they lost Game 7 to the Bruins.
I mean, pissy little bitches throwing temper tantrums all look the same to me.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:52 am
I don’t know if he was a Marine or not but I DO know this, he was *dancing with the devil* and he got his punkin’ whacked… If he hadn’t been there with the smelly hippies and Socialist anarchists he’d be just fine right about now…
October 28th, 2011 at 11:11 am
The guy got injured because he defied a lawful order, and failed to disperse in a timely fashion. I don’t claim to know the law backwards and forwards, but as a former CONTOMS qualified SWAT Medic, I think I can speak on the matter. If he was part of a protest that did not have a permit then he was a part of an UNLAWFUL ASSEMBLY. LE have the right to give orders to break up that crowd and tell them to disperse. When the protestors defy a verbal command and a show of force by massing of LE officers, the police move to the next phase which is a use of chemical agents to disperse the crowd. From there it moves to non-lethal projectiles.
It is sad that the young man was injured, but he placed himself in that situation by not obeying a lawful order. He has no one to blame but himself.
As far as calling out to a medic, yeah. My first job as a medic was the men I worked with. After they were taken care of and stable then I moved on to the persons injured by the teams actions. Call for a medic all you want homeboy. He ain’t coming to you until the scene is secure. That scene? Didn’t look secure to me.
October 28th, 2011 at 11:14 am
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October 28th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
@Old Trooper Says:
October 27th, 2011 at 9:52 am
As for Olsen: If I knew a donation would go to him, I would be inclined to donate, but since I suspect it will go to some general fund for the group, I am not likely to donate without assurances that all the money will go to help him.”
If he really is a veteran he can go to a veteran’s hospital, and get medical care after the stint in the emergency room. If he’s not really a veteran, hospital ER’s cover indigents without health insurance.
November 7th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
You need to get your facts straight, that screen capture you posted was for donations that are earmarked for Scott and his family. We don’t get to keep any of that money. I’m sure you know a little about 501.C.3s already but just a refresher: earmarked funds can only go towards the purpose specified by the donor. I know you don’t like IVAW or VFP, but at least have some scruples and fact check before you smear someone over such a hot-button issue.
November 7th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
@Old Trooper: I can assure the funds go directly to Scott and his family.
November 7th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
*I can assure you*
November 7th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Joseph, With an organization like this, I highly dought that the donations are going to be used as altruistically as you say.
November 7th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
Is Scott wealthy? How about his family? Will the donations be returned if the City of Oakland appeases the whiners and foots the bill? As for scruples and fact checking, how is it that IVAW is such a magnet for posers and how is it that you and your ilk have concluded that Scotty Boy was injured by police and not, say, a rock or other object thrown by one of his fellow miscreants?
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