Marines won’t punish snipers

| February 10, 2012 | 18 Comments

The Associated Press reports on the quick decision that the Marines in the post below below won’t be punished. The USMC claims that there was no “malicious intent” in the picture – they had already investigated the incident last year. But of course, that’s not good enough for some people;

Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder of Los Angeles’ Simon Wiesenthal Center, said he does not believe it was an innocent mistake and insisted the American public has a right to know what happened.

His organization – one of the largest international Jewish human rights groups with more than 400,000 members – is demanding Obama and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta launch another investigation and discipline those involved.

Yeah, that’s the ticket. We really need the politicians launching an investigation in an election year. That’ll be fair for the Marines.

Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, headquartered in Albuquerque, N.M., said the scandals hurt U.S. military missions.

Explain how it hurt “military missions”, there Mikey. Of course, not far from the picture on MRFF’s website is a donation button – so we know what this is really about, don’t we? Adam Weinstein at Mother Jones quotes Mikey Weinstein (no relation) as saying;

Their behavior, Weinstein told me, “eviscerates good order, morale, and discipline,” in addition to angering non-Americans and alienating survivors of the Nazis’ atrocities.

And;

If this is not a court-martial offense, there are no court-martial offenses.

Yuh, uh. WHy don’t we just put the whole military in jail while there’s no war, because we know that they’ll do something that offend the rest of us at one time or another.

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  1. Patrick B says:

    Maybe I am missing something, but who cares? If the Marines or any other Branch want to use these letters or any other letters they should be allowed. SS can be many things, if someone wants to place the Nazi label on those 2 letters, just because the design is either similar or the same let them. These kids today where not around during WW2 and most of them (we hope where taught) that the Nazi’s where bad. SS=Scouts Snipers, SS=Social Security , SS=Stupid Shits etc… Don’t we have more important things to worry about? Oh and the two lighting bolts do look cool…

  2. Lucky says:

    So yeah, the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps is a Damnit Scout Sniper. That is the reason for their decision, he knows what those letters stand for in the Corps.

  3. blksmnr says:

    “”However, it was a naive mistake made by Marines who believed the SS symbol was meant to represent sniper scouts and never intended to associate themselves with a racist organization, said Maj. Gabrielle Chapin, a spokeswoman at Camp Pendleton””

    They’ve been using the SS for years, (since vietnam?) 80 years from now when everybody that lived through that time period or was told first hand accounts of that time period is dead; then it will finally only mean Scout Snipers. when you can take somebody’s head off from almost 2500 meters, i’m pretty sure you have the right to represent yourself any way you want to. these men are protecting american freedoms. they’re not activists. they’re not whiners, they’re not looking for hand outs. they’re not upset about how hot or cold it is in the DESERT. they’re not angry that the scrambled eggs at the chow hall don’t taste like home. That they get to sleep on a cot instead of a real bed with a real mattress…
    these are the guys that are keeping ‘regular’ sheep out of the concentration camps of radicals and extremists who are looking to make execution videos. They are there to prevent another organization like the gestapo from perfoming another genocide. I tip my hat to these sheepdogs, here’s to you Scout Snipers, keep up the good work, I’m always praying for you. God Bless

  4. Lucky says:

    Fucking android again with the auto correct!

  5. Claymore says:

    This comment confuses me:

    Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, headquartered in Albuquerque, N.M., said the scandals hurt U.S. military missions.

    So if we can admit that the Nazi imagery is offensive to Jews in particular, and then we consider that the vast majority of the insurgents the Marines would be sending off to collect their 72 virgins would also be a little anti-Semitic, who exactly is hurt by this? Perhaps there is a Jewish sniper out there who is upset? Maybe? Beyond that, how exactly is the mission compromised? Color me confused.

  6. GasMaskJockey says:

    I remember being a new boot in Okinawa down on gate 2 street with more than a few beers in my system. I stumble outside to go from one crappy bar to another and I see a guy with an SS lightning bolt tattoo.

    I lean over to my buddy and ask him “Dude, am I seeing shit? Does that guy REALLY have a Nazi tattoo? I’m going to go over there and beat his racist fucking ass!”

    The response I got was “you drunken Jew, that is a scout sniper tat, and either way, I think you’re they one who’d get his ass kicked.”

    Crisis averted….

  7. WHy don’t we just put the whole military in jail while there’s no war, because we know that they’ll do something that offend the rest of us at one time or another.

    Geez Jonn… don’t even put that notion out into the ether!

    In our Bizarro World it might happen?

  8. CI says:

    I think the use of SS is stupid…but have no idea how somebody can draw a line between that and mission effectiveness….maybe with a Spirograph….

  9. Old Trooper says:

    @6: I don’t care who ya are; that’s funny right there. Great firsthand story!

    Back in the day, we would have barracks parties that were the talk of the company. Well, one night, a couple of the guys took a opillow case each and put them on their heads and then put their arm around another guy and gave him a smooch as the camera took a picture. The guy in the center was really upset by it, because he didn’t want anyone to see the picture, especially anyone in his family, since several of them were in the KKK. He, himself, wasn’t and didn’t ascribe to the doctrine of the KKK, but he would be in danger from his own family if they saw the picture. Ya see, the 2 guys with pillow cases on their heads were black and quite the jokesters. It’s all in how you interpret the meaning of it all. The two black guys thought it was funny, and so did everyone else, including the guy in the middle, but I’m sure that if Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson had seen that, they would have been apoplectic and demanding heads and whatnot. The point being; if you want to be offended, or are looking for any reason to be offended, then you will be.

  10. CI says:

    @6 – Was this before or after stopping by the Banana show! Gate 2 street is a strange kind of awesome.

  11. Former3c0 says:

    Bad taste but illegal? Let’s just call it art and move on, you can get away with just about anything if you call it art can’t you?

  12. Former3c0 says:

    “Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, headquartered in Albuquerque, N.M., said the scandals hurt U.S. military missions.”

    If he thinks this hurts military missions he must be all over Pvt Manning…

  13. Scott says:

    “If this is not a court-martial offense, there are no court-martial offenses.”

    Right, this is much worse than murder, rape, etc. I’m under no illusion that Marines enjoy the same free speech rights as the civilian population, but you’re talking about throwing people in jail for taking a picture?? Since there is a perfectly logical explanation for what “SS” stands for in this context, and it has nothing to do with Nazis, at worst this maybe warranted a negative counseling. This is no reason to ruin anyone’s career.

  14. Fmedges says:

    People seem to forget that the jobs of scout snipers is to kill people. These people need to stay out of a culture that 99% of them don’t understand.

  15. Fmedges says:

    Also, after the Japan earthquake I saw plenty of rising sun flags on flyers and such. Nobody had a problem with the atrocities of the Japanese empire 

  16. Spigot says:

    This…

    Written by a Marine on another forum who just happens to be a Jew.

    “Weinstein needs to shut the fuck up. Probably the typical self-loathing Jew that gives us a bad name, and doesn’t give a shit about being Jewish beyond using it as a political tool.”

    Perfect.

  17. Casey says:

    @Old Trooper, have you heard about a young man named Byron Thomas? He attends University of South Carolina Beaufort, and was asked last fall to stop displaying a Confederate flag in his dorm room.

    Thing is, Byron is black.

    Apparently he sees himself as a Southerner, first, and the flag as an example of Southern culture & liberty.

    One very interesting quote from the above article:

    Some black students came to me and have said I have changed their viewpoint on the Confederate flag and that I helped change them. They have said [like me] they also don’t want to be called African-American anymore. They, too, feel like they want to be American, not African-America, because it’s like a second category and they were born in America not Africa.

    Read the interview. Not all the kids his age are whingey OWS gits.

  18. Cedo Alteram says:

    #13 I concur with your reasoning.

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