The Poe medical records…
June 8th, 2012
The Blaze just dropped them online.
I’m not even going to comment on them. Let’s crowd source this one. Go ahead, go look at those documents.
Apparently the Joe Pags guy I just did the radio interview with (dude was REALLY cool) is friends with Glenn Beck, and that is how they ended up on the Blaze.
Naturally I am offering to go back on to talk about the medical records.
June 8th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Excellent.
June 8th, 2012 at 9:14 am
OK-I gave them the once over. One set of orders releasing him to retirement for physical disability and two medical forms generated at BAMC in which the only “evidence” of his injury being combat related is what Poe told the provider.
It’s all part of his con. Those documents are enough to fool a layman, but most of us can see right through them (especially given what we already know about him) quickly enough. If the media pursues this (always a big if given the level of laziness and ignorance that exists in those quarters regarding military matters) then they should have no problem finding someone who can break this stuff down for their readers/viewers/listeners to understand.
Keep spinning Poe-it’s entertaining to many of us and you just keep digging a deeper hole (i.e. whatever benefits you have obtained are soon to be gone and maybe you will be charged with falsifying records).
June 8th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Someone needs to tell the Blaze that the one medical document doesn’t have his SSN redacted. They need to fix that immediately.
June 8th, 2012 at 9:19 am
I don’t know much about Med forms, but I do know that my record is about 5 feet thick and I only have 20% disability. My wife has 30 and damn near takes a file cabinet itself. I think there would be more then just three forms.
It strikes me that there should be more. Am I off on that?
June 8th, 2012 at 9:23 am
I don’t get it. There’s nothing there other than he got medically discharged and a triage report, which – really, you could tell a triage nurse anything! The 2173 only says what the SERVICE MEMBER says, which doesn’t prove anything, and all he had was tinnitis, some hearing loss and he SNORES??? WTF? How does this prove anything?
June 8th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Told yah Pags was cool.
-Ish
June 8th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Neither document tells us anything we didn’t already know. As has already been pointed out, the accident information in block 5 is simply recording what the patient said happened. Same with block 15; ‘SM states’.
And what is with the emergency care flowsheet? It has a date of Feb 28th 2006, which doesn’t jive with any of Poe’s stories.
However, going with the ex-wife’s statement about Poe going to Camp Shelby in 2005 (I was on that deployment) and assuming that he didn’t deploy because of another phantom injury, then the flowsheet document could be a record of him claiming an injury from Iraq even though he never deployed.
June 8th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Ish- Would it be gay of me to say I want that man’s voice to tuck me into bed at night and sing soft kitty? Because I may have a thing for his voice. Holy mackarell. That’s the best radio guy voice ever. Forget that homeless dude in Cleveland.
June 8th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Looks like most of the commenters over there aren’t buying the war hero story. And based on the date of the earliest document, they indicate he was injured in a training incident, and thus prove he’s lying.
But I suppose “he really does have some owies” might be enough for some folks to excuse the rest. It’s easier to fool most people than to convince them they’ve been fooled (how many people still read Mike Yon?) – and they won’t appreciate you for doing either.
June 8th, 2012 at 9:30 am
So… two whole pages reflecting what POE TOLD DOCTORS HAPPENED when he went seeking pain meds. It’s a goddamn shame how many people have been hornswoggled by this fucking inveterate con artist. Lies built on top of lies. His fiancee is in for a rude awakening some day.
June 8th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Dave Thul-I’ve looked at that form and it is hard to tell what the 2006 date indicates. It might be when the form was approved for use. Anyway, there is a BAMC stamp (or maybe sticker) at the bottom, so we have to find out if he was there, perhaps in a WTU, during ’06. It’s possible that, as you say, he was sent to Shelby to mob with the Red Bulls when they went to Iraq in ’06 (I saw them there in late ’05 when I came home with 278th CAV) and then either got hurt or faked getting hurt and was sent to San Antonio. Or this form is from when he was sent home from Afghanistan. Anyway-it proves nothing.
June 8th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Okay, so this confirms what I said yesterday. The only source for the blast injury in this medical record is Tim Poe. He went to the ER at BAMC in San Antonio and told the intake clerk he was “injured in a blast July of this year”(2009). The doc/nurse/technician doing his intake probably had 10 more patients in line behind him. They are not going to verify his claim in the ER. I also like that his main concern is getting a refill for his Percocet. Rather than get a regular appointment for an injury earlier that year, he went to ER with the focus of getting a refill for a narcotic pain medicine. That says a lot to us in the medical field, but I’ll let you guys figure that one out for yourself.
June 8th, 2012 at 9:38 am
That’s for a Percocet refill. The form is undated and it says from a blast “July of the year-” And dated June 2011.
Military Emergency rooms are notoriously rushed and overcrowded with every kind of sniffle, ache and pain. I live near Madigan and Fort Lewis. It’s awful! Poe comes in. Has a paper saying he was injured – check – OK Here’s your pills. NEXT! The just wrote what he told them. This proves NOTHING!
June 8th, 2012 at 9:39 am
*Ooops, Scratch out the undated
June 8th, 2012 at 9:42 am
To answer folks question about the date of the ER flowsheet. The Form was approved for use in 2006. He’s listed as 33 years old, and his DOB is July 1976. Since they referenced his injury of “July of this year”, that means it was some time before the end of 2009
June 8th, 2012 at 9:45 am
@15 The second page is dated June 2010. I typo’d 2011 earlier.
June 8th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Average NCO is correct regarding the date of the form in question. Poe’s age + birth date = 2009.
As to the rest of it, you guys are doing better than me deciphering that handwriting.
June 8th, 2012 at 9:51 am
I see the second sheet says its a hand grenade now. Maybe the Taliban threw the RPG at him.
Neither page has to do with the initial injury/wound but follow-ups from when he was back stateside. The first is from an er visit to get more pain meds, the second to get his ears checked.
I also see both say he was wounded in July of ’09. How does that jive with the unit’s deployment history?
June 8th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Several things jumped out at me…
Weight is 188kg
28FEB06
Med refill – Percocet injured in blast July of this year – Pain radiates to (L) leg – Bilateral arm numbness, equal ?grip?, numbness resolved now – steady gait – 0 ??? Seen in ED last night ? ?? to hold off on meds
Pain checked Denies and 7/10
Speech checked Normal
Barriers to Learning checked None
Note has some red flags….not calling it a fraud, but it does need further examination.
June 8th, 2012 at 10:08 am
OK. It appears that I suck at deciphering these things. But the second page does seem to indicate indicate “Temporary”.
June 8th, 2012 at 10:09 am
From the MN Guard PAO statement-
“His military records indicate that he served with the Minnesota National Guard in Kosovo from Oct. 10, 2007 until July 15, 2008, and was deployed to Afghanistan from July 28, 2009 to Aug. 30, 2009.”
So if he was wounded in Afghanistan in July 2009, it would have had to be in the first three days that he was in country. Or that date is accurate, and he was injured at the mob station as I have been told by folks who know him.
The other thing that gets me is that none of the documents provided came from IPERMS, the digital document archive the Guard uses. These are original copies that Poe has. Which begs the question of why he has NO documentation of the combat injury itself-no sworn statements, no medical records of when he was first treated in country or in Germany, not even a copy of an email telling his family that he was on his way home.
June 8th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Exactly. Every soldier leaves with a novel that is thier medical file. every snivel call, “get out of PT Card”, every time you get tylenol…it’s there.
I can’t even begin to think what it is like for a combat vet with injuries.
June 8th, 2012 at 10:39 am
It is obvious to all of us that the two pages released were cherry picked by Poe because they mention a grenade. At this point, it’s all or nothing for releasing the paperwork. I’m sure that he’s going to tell everyone that that is all the paperwork he got, or he was confused and shredded all the other documents.
June 8th, 2012 at 10:45 am
TSO, you are a fucking rockstar!
June 8th, 2012 at 10:49 am
At this point, I think we need a rundown of which lie and when.
In the golfing video he said he was in Iraq in 2005 when he was 1)shot in a firefight and 2)hit by and IED, but he never deployed to Iraq. He sent a photo of himself that was 3)not him and pretty obviously copied from AKO. He gave the DOF folks a list of medals that 4)he never earned. And on national TV he said he served 14 years in the military when actually 5)it was 9 years, and at least three of them were on medical hold. And he said he was 6)hit by an RPG in Afghanistan, which nobody can find any documentation of.
Did I miss any?
June 8th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Dave Thul-in one of the articles linked here earlier he claimed to have reenlisted on September 12th, 2001 in response to 9/11. The records seem to indicate that he didn’t enter service until October 2002, so that is another lie. There are so many that it is hard to keep up.
June 8th, 2012 at 11:01 am
A couple of others: (7) claims to have started singing as post-Afghanistan TBI therapy, but was in a band prior to deploying to Afghanistan (link provided on another thread); (8) claims to have acquired his stutter from the attack, but ex-wife says that’s bull.
June 8th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Seen in ED last night + ASKED to “hold off” on meds
So he visited the emergency department(ED) two nights in a row looking for narcotics. Was told the first night to hold off.
I see at the bottom under the scan code it has 090919-. Could that be a date as in 19 May 2009?
June 8th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Boy, I really hope NPRC has this guy’s records already and can find them quickly when they get the FOIA on him I mailed a couple of days ago.
June 8th, 2012 at 11:06 am
I’m with Pags. I want to hear the audio, sans stutter.
June 8th, 2012 at 11:07 am
19 SEPTEMBER 2009. Wow I need some coffee.
June 8th, 2012 at 11:24 am
All these forms/records being discussed. How can one verify a service member’s medical history/records online on these things?
June 8th, 2012 at 11:34 am
TSO…………GREAT JOB! I posted over at the Blaze and linked to TAH.
I’m proud to say that my youngest son, formerly of 5th SFG visits here regularly.
June 8th, 2012 at 11:53 am
TSO must have tucked dick and apologized to Blue Falcon, most ricky tick and by cob as requested. I simply cannot comprehend how one can blog and do radio interviews while chained to a wall in a Turkish prison, so the apology must have been accepted.
Glad you dodged that bullet, buddy. I have it on authority that you lawer types don’t want to fly the same skies in which the Blue Falcon soars.
June 8th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
teddy996: well, not without wearing a something rather stout covering their “6″.
Remember: “Buddy is only half the word.” (smile)
June 8th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Seeing the medical records doesn’t = seeing the incident reports. SM says a grenade blast went off by his head could mean a grenade simulator during training was too loud and affected my hearing.
June 8th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
They REALLY should have used the pic of you with the Village People ‘stache.
Just sayin.
June 8th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
bAD sPARKLY, STAND in a corner till TSO forgives you.
June 8th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
I have PROOF that he was not only there, but fought in other wars as well.
http://www.thesniper.us/?p=9714
June 8th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Now that the photo is posted, it just provides Poe one more picture to “borrow” and put out there as HIM in the Stan!
June 8th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
The Sniper blasts another one deep into the cheap seats.
Even so, no Poe at Thermopylae, Cannae or Masada? Come on man-talk about low hanging fruit.
June 8th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
@38 Sniper………Hilarious!
June 8th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Just one quick question: Does Jonn know you run this blog?
June 8th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
These documents prove absolutely nothing. The ‘Chief Complaint’ is exactly that. We, as medical professionals are told to write down exactly what the patient states. It could be ‘My head hurts’ after they got kicked in the side of the head, even though there’s a piece of metal sticking out of their chest. The only time we don’t write exactly what the patient says is when they are nonverbal, and then we write the apparent cause of injury, and document that the patient was nonverbal. The ‘pain assessment’ block, where he was rated at a 7/10 but the ‘denies’ box is ticked, is most likely a documentation error. You get so used to doing these forms that muscle memory takes over.
As a second point, the documents show that he was complaining of ‘bilateral numbness in the arms’. This is consistent with the aforementioned discovery of a back injury from falling off of a truck. The statement that he ‘was asked to hold off on his meds’ by an ED provider sets of some alarm bells in the heads of most healthcare providers as mentioned above. That’s it for page 1.
Page 2 gets more interesting. The officer who is completing the document, LTC Dorough, makes notes of the ‘combat related injuries’ as ‘tinnitus, subjective, sensineural hearing loss, and obstructive sleep apnea’. She also makes a note that this ED visit IS likely to result in a claim to the government (Block 11) based off of ‘attached medical documentation’. HOWEVER; LTC Dorough is NOT a medical doctor. She’s a PAD officer. Interesting by itself that a medical claim that’s likely to result in a claim to the gov is signed off on by a PAD officer, but it might be facility policy. What is more interesting, however is the fact that the documents that LTC Dorough made her decision off of are not attached. No surprise there, really. What is sup rising that there’s no LOD initiated for this. That tells us one of two things. That the medical staff didn’t see it as necessary to initiate one (Unlikely, if the claims if injury are likely to result in a claim against the gov), or two, that THERE IS ALREADY AN EXISTING LOD paper trail.
Based off of the evidence that I have reviewed here in these documents, I can tell you that there is nothing in here that is indicative of a combat created injury other than the patient’s statements. At the very least, I’d like to see dictated and signed physicians reports, nursing notes, or and of the associated documentation that inevitably follows any medical intervention, let alone a evacuation for a combat related injury.
If he wishes to prove that he was injured as he says he was, he’d release the entire medical records, not just a TMC visit for nonspecific pain. These records don’t prove anything.
There’s your Nurse Corps analysis for ya.
Go get em, guys!
June 8th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
The only way that could have gotten any better would have been for Poe or his “fiance” to have called in at the same time and burst into tears about the tragedy you are wreaking on their lives.
June 8th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Does it really say 188 kg? Thats about 415 pounds!!!
June 8th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Mustang–I’ve seen COBs who might be close, if they took a dump before the weigh-in.
June 8th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
The Unit Driary should list the allthe injured .I say again where all the other injured?
June 8th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
CPOMustang – there were a couple of “Soldiers” (and I use that term loosely) who replaced us in Kosovo who may have had to get GP Mediums for their ACUs. One of them was so fat, that when she ascended the wooden stairs to the TOC, they literally bowed under her weight! One of the guys who did the weigh-ins before we flew over to Pristina said she weighed 419 WITH her equipment! Holy crap!
The first time she showed up at the TOC, there were a bunch of people standing there shooting the shit. There was a literal and very obvious silence that fell over the crowd as she walked by. Everyone was pretty stunned at her size. I keep wondering WTF these people were doing in the military!
June 8th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
He provided enough evidence to show that he himself has claimed stateside that he was injured by a grenade blast… but that is contradicted by numerous eyewitnesses in his own Unit to include Officers and first line supervisors that he never saw combat action, never was engaged in hostilities, and the only time anyone in their Unit was injured was the day that their sole KIA occurred (and correct me if I am wrong but that was well past their first month there.)
I could walk upstairs to urgent care right now and claim I had a grenade go off next to my head, and they would record that into the record… it doesn’t mean it is true.
June 8th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
@48 “OFF TOPIC”"
I watched some future, fat female ORNG officer fall out of an ROTC run this morning at school. My wife and I laughed at her for a few minutes as she waddled behind, trying to catch up with the others. I think her PT’s were size XXL. She was so big, that the PT belt she had across her back was super tight and exposed her bulges. Even my civilian wife knows that fat is wrong when it involves the military.
June 8th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
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June 8th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I finally got a chance to listen (stupid work blocks any audio/video). KUDOS, Superstar! What a GREAT job!
June 8th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Listened to the radio interview of TSO and of Poes’ fiancee….and holy crap that guy Pag’s has a voice thats a mix of Fergie and Jesus….lol….but it was a great interview and really made a good point of why shitbags like this need to get taken down and why all you guys who put in the legwork do what you do. I am a huge fan of this blog and I have to say I am proud that I could be a reader when you guys take down a dbag like this one. Oh and good job on passing the bar TSO…after a another trip downrange(hopefully the last one) I might finally be able to utilize my GI bill to get my JD as well.
March 12th, 2013 at 7:15 am
I know that the US Army specifically a Captain Jacob J. Katzow who is a psychiatrist falsified my military medical records. I was rushed into the hospital via ambulance in tremendous back pain after jungle warfare school and torture. He stated that I had an URI, nervous problem, sudden back ache, unstable and personality discharge. They took x-rays and said they could find nothing wrong with my back. Then a document appears later that stated I walked into a clinic this is two weeks later now. Complaining of a backache they said then they took x-rays and revealed I had spondyloysis and spondylolisthesis with eburnation of s1 and considerable disc space narrowing. This is a FALSIFIED document by the US Army medical command. Don’t condemn this guy just yet. Look at all the personality discharges for PTSD look at your own medical records before you 100% decide. Perhaps he did and then again maybe he didn’t. I know they did this to me.