Wayward Bill Chengelis, chairman of US Marijuana Party & lying phony

| November 12, 2012

Someone did the hard work for us on this ass clown who calls himself Wayward Bill who is the chairman of the US Marijuana Party and supposedly spearheaded the pot initiative in Colorado last week. Of course, since he’s Vietnam-era aged, he had to claim that he needs pot to treat his PTS from the awful things that the military forced him to do in Vietnam;

Yes, as a personnel clerk, it was his job to cut off ears so the Army could keep count of the North Vietnamese Regulars that they killed. because, you know, counting is too hard for us dumbass infantrymen, we need a clerk to cut off ears for us.

Well, of course, since he’s being featured on TAH, you know his story is bullshit. Wayward Bill is really William Alvin Chengelis and he never went to Vietnam. He was a clerk in Germany. There’s nothing wrong with that, unless you tell lies about what you did to further a political agenda;

Of course, when he’s confronted with his lies, Mr. Wayward is sorry about it, but he still doesn’t come clean;

Thank you for clearing the air. I have made a public confession which and the resulting thread are posted below. I take it you are a Combat Veteran. I apologize if I offended you. I never claimed any medal or citations.

Hope this satisfies you:

I have a confession to make. I am a Veteran, a Vietnam era Veteran. I have lied about my combat service. I served in Europe never Vietnam. My story is the story of a good friend of mine. There is some one who went and pulled up my service record and has been posting it on my wall trying to discredit me. I am not sure of their agenda but I need to clean the slate. I am sorry I lied. I told it so many times it became part of me.

So, he still wants people to believe that there were personnel clerks out collecting ears, because it happened to “a good friend of mine”. So, I guess he figures that the story is too good to die. But before our hero got Mr. Wayward’s military records, he wasn’t so apologetic;

I told you yesterday I kept you out of it and not report you to my mob of 8000+. Claire Ryder put two and two together. Now you have to deal with her wrath. She’s a member of the Green Party. I like to think of her as THE GREEN HORNET. She is out to sting you and with her connections you are probably ruined in the Veteran community.

Have a nice life ASSHOLE!

I won, you lost. Ha Ha ASSHOLE!
Peace, Pot, Politics,
Wayward Bill Chengelis
Chairman, US Marijuana Party
Chairman, US Marijuana Party of Colorado

Of course, this Claire Ryder person thinks that veterans shouldn’t question each other about their military service;

I was married to a vet. my father is a vet. my older brother was killed in Vietnam. I grew up watching them load bomb trucks on Guam. I know a little about Vets too There are “phoneys” everywhere. What you did was MEAN> If you want to call someone out do it in private. These people have enough demons. I have a lot better things to do with MY life then filing FOIA requests to see if people are “phoneys” and how many people do you know that sent ears home? I know people that did and the people they sent them to. Ask Medea Benjamin about it some time. Expose what you want. My job is to help people that need help even if they lie.Do you ask someone with a sign on the corner hey can I file a FOIA request to see if you are avet before I help you? I know Bill is a vet he couldn’t get benefits otherwise. His hep c is service related not from drugs. Did they clean the gun they innoculated you with? File away your requests too bad you don’t concentrate on doing something KIND

Yeah, my neighbor’s cousin’s dog was once owned by a veterinarian so I know a real military veteran when I see one. And Medea Benjamin could tell me that it’s raining and I’d have to go out and get soaking wet before I believed her. I guess outing a phony isn’t being KIND enough to the folks who actually did serve in Vietnam and DIDN’T cut off ears? Those guys are the reason I decided to post about this POS phony on Veterans’ Day.

ADDED for Claire Ryder’s lawyer; Here’s a screen shot of the comment above attributed to Claire Ryder from her Facebook account. That’s her avatar, right?

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  1. Athena says:

    Neutron bombs were made for people like her.

  2. Dave says:

    OK, so “He may be a lying sack of shit but it’s OK because other people may have been traumatized, and it is my job to help them even if they imagined the whole thing” – huh? Did I get that right?

  3. Bert Brescher says:

    I suspected most politicians are smoking after listening to promises they’ve made in the past year or so. But this guy lives a mile high already and the weed seems to make him truly a Space Man. Confusing Vietnam with Germany, WOW.

  4. Hondo says:

    His Hep C is “service related”, eh? I wonder if Ms. Ryder knows that 60% of US Hep C infections are estimated to be traceable to IV drug use. Only 15% are traceable to medical care. The cause of the remaining Hep C infections are split between sexual transmission (15%) and unknown causes (10%).

    I also wonder if Ms. Ryder knows IV drug use wasn’t exactly unknown in early-1970s Eurpoe – or in the US. And I’d love to know who Chengelis was “hanging with” while he was a deserter in 1971. I’m guessing he was trying to “turn on/tune in/drop out” at the time.

  5. Mustang says:

    I love how he states on his page that he’s basically protecting you from his mob. You should probably just give up now. After all, Claire is out to sting you and is going to ruin your reputation among the veteran community. This guy must be high…oh, wait; he is.

  6. LebbenB says:

    A pot smoking deserter and admitted fraud? Yeah, I’d be shaking in my jungle boots about him if I were you.

  7. kp32 says:

    It only took him a year to graduate from Youngstown State University… that’s believable./sarc

  8. Mustang says:

    From http://usmjparty.wordpress.com/

    He is 59 years old and went to Youngstown State University studying political science, constitutional law, and journalism although he never finished to receive a degree. He is also a Vietnam era war US Army Veteran. He was honorably discharged in 1974. Wayward Bill currently is considered disabled (crippled left hand, bi-polar, PTSD) and lives on a meger VA non-service connected disability pension. He is a licensed medical cannabis patient for severe pain in his left hand. He knows first hand the discrimination by both VA and HUD invoked on cannabis patients.

  9. kp32 says:

    @8- How did he catch the PTSD?

  10. Mustang says:

    It was the stress of all that typing 😉

  11. Ex-PH2 says:

    Gee, I clicked on the “Claire Ryder” FB link and it’s empty now. Maybe you scared you, JL.

    Collected ears, huh? When he was in Germany the whole time?

    From Lori Andrews’ website: Skulls — and other body parts — have long been collected by soldiers as souvenirs of war. In Kyoto, Japan, the Korean Ear Mound is a 500-year-old pile of thousands of ears that Samurai warriors cut off their enemies. The Samurai generals got a bonus for each soldier they killed in Korea.

  12. Old Trooper says:

    Wait a minute; how could he be “dropped from rolls” for desertion and still come back and finish AIT and then serve out his time?? I guess I don’t get that part.

  13. DaveO says:

    Thing being, Chengelis doesn’t care about vets – his cover story is only meant to lend respectability among the marijuana smokers. A large bag of cheetos has the same affect.

  14. Ex-PH2 says:

    He’s just doing it to have a roll in the weed with some comely young thing, like that one with her arm around his neck.

  15. Hondo says:

    Old Trooper: that happens from time to time – a 31+ day AWOL (DFR at 30 days AKA deserter) gets apprehended and convinces the military that they really didn’t have intent to stay away permanently, so he isn’t courts-martialed. In Chengelis’ case, it looks like they sent him to a different school for his 2nd AIT.

    And if this jackass is getting a non-service-connected disability pension – he’s not doing all that bad. It’s close to $20k a year, tax-free – and close to $24k if he’s married.

    It’s basically free money, and it doesn’t require a service connection. But you do have to be in fairly bad shape to get it. Or be a good con artist.

  16. Anonymous says:

    “She’s a member of the Green Party.”

    Well that’s about as threatening as being a backup dancer for the Backstreet Boys Reunion tour. :p

  17. Nik says:

    Sorry. @16 was me.

  18. Green Thumb says:


  19. Sean says:

    Oh No, Fire the FPF we got a AARP card carrying Deserter Hippie Druggie with Hep C threatening us.

    Someone take the keys to his rascal

  20. JJAK says:

    I find it very KIND that people like John point out these jerks using fake service to advance their political careers and collect undeserved benefits.

  21. Eric says:

    Worst part is people on his page are defending him and telling him “awww, it’s alright Bill…” because they just don’t get it. I was going to respond, but not gonna bother. It would be a waste of time.

    I’ve been deployed three times and I bet if I applied for PTS, it’d take 20 years to get a response, but he gets “deployed” to Germany during Viet Nam and gets PTS / carpal tunnel syndrome disability. I’ve been to Germany, I can see why you’d get PTS from being stationed there. Sometimes, you actually have to tip waitresses to get more beer, the poor bastard.

    They should make everyone of these guys who fakes disability help with the paperwork to speed up the process for real veterans with real issues to get processed. As many fakes as there are, I bet it’d take about a month to be caught up, with or without Shinseki failing to lead.

  22. Laurina says:

    Dont believe every thing you read about people…this reads like someone who has a grievence against Wayward Bill and is venting…whats that old saying…. believe 1/2 of what you see & none of what your hear.

  23. Wayward Bill says:

    Oh yeah, I get pot for my crippled hand. Not the fabrication of PTSD Mr. Giles has stated. He took off ran with something that he never totally researched. Tunnel vision I think it’s called.

  24. Wayward Bill says:

    BTW to answer a few questions. I also got busted for sales of marijuana and possession for sale of marijuana while in the service. I had a Chapter 10 and my CO went to bat for me because he liked me and saw the potential in me to finish out honorably which I did. He was the reason for my new AIT and for me to go on. I did him right because he did me right. I actually have 89 days bad time. I have an article 15 for writing FUCK YOU on the mess roster. I also got another article 15 for hashish in Germany. The reason for the 1973 reduction in rank. Hey I haven’t lived an exemplary life by many of the status quo’s standards but we sure did knock their sox off when we got weed regulated the other day. We spoke, the world shuddered, and now the status quo has to answer. The Drug War is over!


    Sorry to be wasting time on this loser website but really JACK ASS, rather than ASSHOLE, You took something and ran with it till you tripped and fell. Truth as you were so hoping to reveal had already been revealed. I think you are a jealous jack ass. You have something on here that states, “Sometimes violence is the only answer”. That is crazy and you sir are too. Anyone that agrees with you obviously doesn’t know what or who they are talking about. Mind ya’lls own business. Yes fb is public but to be searching people’s reords is a little too obsessive don’t ya thnk? We can all be a little crazy, and the great one’s are the one’s who can admit it. 🙂 There is no honor in what you are trying to do sir/asshole/. 🙂

  26. Tamra Kinzel-Wood says:

    I will repost here what I comment to Wayward Bill on his FB page in reponse to an angry post about this blog…

    “I just went to the blog…dude..gotta admit…I take nam vet issues very seriously as my father was a nam vet who actually served in nam……to use a fake story….to gain sympathy or whatever you did it for is offensive to those that did serve in nam and their families…and to use it in the movement like you did gives the enemies of the movement all they need to discredit it….it dishonors your service in the cannabis movement…and gives the enemy weapons others did not need to have to fight…you made their point of medical users just being a bunch of liars out to get pot cards and make pot legal…you gave them all the proof they needed to discredit the movement as a politician within that movement…making it harder for others to accomplish the mission….and if you can’t see that is bigger than a yo..dude..I fucked up but I am disabled..and your a big meany response..you truly do need more help than that card you have is providing you…and to those saying the outer was ..this and that…no he protected the right of the people to know the truth about the leaders you are supporting in this movement…and if you can’t see that..maybe you are no more than dumb stoners….”

  27. Wayward Bill says:

    For the guy that made the snide comment about a woman he doesn’t even know. She’s all class and you’re, well we know what rhymes with class.
    ?Wayward Bill is one of my best friends!! I will stand by him in a picture while people are trying to get the best of him! Trying act like they got something on him when all they are doing is making themselves look bad. People will believe whatever they want to believe. Especially if it is bs… I believe in my friend because he is a man of honor, he respects cannabis, and he has shown me it is ok to be who you are, even if it is a little crazy 😉 ? ya Wayward Bill William Alvin Chengelis! Fuck IT! PEACE N POT!

  28. Jonn Lilyea says:

    Oh, good, the pot smoking hippies who don’t have to be at a job in the morning are up all night preaching to us about free love and harmony.

  29. Lobster says:

    I see it’s time to break out the popcorn. Funny how butthurt these douche bags get when they get called out. I totally believe the ear thing though. I mean, we were taught that like day 3 at basic. Legit. Totally legit.

  30. Hondo says:

    “I went on to serve with distinction”. (22) Give me a break, Chengelis.

    Serving with distinction does not include desertion, incarceration, two Article 15s in less than 2 1/2 years, and bald-faced lying about one’s service. You’re nothing but a cowardly, dishonest jackass. Even Canada – which was recycling our trash at the time – realized you weren’t worth keeping and sent you back.

    The only thing remotely “distinguished” thing about you is your lack of shame, Chengelis. And even that’s not particularly noteworthy these days.

  31. nucsnipe says:

    Hey Chenglis, need some cheese to go with your whine?

  32. nucsnipe says:

    Chenglis: “Waaah they found out I’m a lying douche! Attack fellow douches”

  33. Cheryl Johnson says:

    I am not one to judge anyone,But I have a son who is in the military and has been for 16 or so years. He has been in some precarious positions that made me wonder what really happens..I felt there were times he might not come home,and his friends either. I can’t say what is true or not here,but I can tell you I am so dissapointed,down to the core of my being.

  34. LebbenB says:

    Wow…They’re pretty verbose (and quasi-coherent)for stoners. Color me impressed.

  35. Twist says:

    They do realize that pot is still against Federal law right?

  36. Claire Ryder says:

    I don’t know how you involved me or where those comments came from but I don’t HAVE a brother and never have. But I can assure you my lawyer will be very interested in these comments.
    No one knows who Steven Giles is. I have asked over 35 politically active Vietnam Vets in Denver and no one has heard of him. But I do find it quite telling that you were able to pull government information in a few minutes flat. Hmmmmmm.
    I have NO idea if Bill has hep C I never discussed it with him. In fact we barely know each other except for working on a political campaign (non cannabis related) But I don’t have a brother. My father is a war time vet who did not see combat and I was married to an office in service. So I don’t know where you are fabricating your comments from but continue if you like. Like I said I will be contacting an attorney today as my name has been bandied about in something I had NOTHING to do with.

    • Jonn Lilyea says:

      “I have NO idea if Bill has hep C I never discussed it with him.”

      Oh, really? Then what prompted you to write this in a Facebook exchange;

      I think we know now why you associate yourself with Billy – you’re both inveterate liars.

  37. Hondo says:

    Let this jackass be a reminder to any of you out there on active duty who are in leadership positions.

    Chengelis is only entitled to his VA pension and medical care because his leadership kept cutting him serious breaks despite repeated evidence he was a shitbird – desertion, repeated drug use, drug dealing, repeated Article 15s, etc . . . . Had they discharged him with an OTH (Chapter 10) or courts-martialed him, he’d probably not be entitled to his VA pension and medical care. Those same VA $$$ currently used to support Chengelis could be used to help a deserving vet instead.

    Bottom line: don’t be reluctant to drop the hammer if it’s justified.

  38. Twist says:

    Only 37 comments to get threatened with an attorney. Apparantly someone does not realize that it is not against the law to talk about someone. Typical Liberal, Freedom of Speach for me but not for thee.

  39. Twist says:


    We need an edit button.

  40. Jonn Lilyea says:

    Claire Ryder #37: Make sure you show your lawyer the screen shot I just added with your Facebook avatar containing the quote I attributed to you. Hippies can’t even tell when they’re being set up.

  41. OWB says:

    Will any of these turds ever figure out that no one here cares about who they slept with, when they started fighting over marbles, or anything else except their lies about their service and the service of others?

    Whining, self-centered, self-absorbed idiots.

  42. Tiffany says:

    All vets are deserving. You anger mongers need to take a long hard look at yourselves. I’ve known Bill for 14 years and I’ve always known his story. He is passionate about his cause and for good reason. I don’t believe he did it selfishly but thought it may be more effective. I can not speak for him though and did not read the above posts as they were so ignorant, juvenile and full of hate. I have Complex PTSD due to molestation, rape and domestic abuse of every kind. If it weren’t for people like him I wouldn’t have a fighting chance. Cannabis is far safer than ANY of the FDA drugs they cram down our throats offering us no other alternative. I have to take those to battle my seizures due to epilepsy. I have to get regular liver testing to make sure those FDA drugs don’t destroy my liver. Cannabis is safe. The government just doesn’t want you to understand that. Sometimes when you are fighting the good fight and are forced to fight with dogs you make errors in judgement. That does NOT make him a bad person. We are ALL human. You anger mongers are nothing more than jackals. Take a long hard look in the mirror before you start criticizing others to further your cause.

    • Jonn Lilyea says:

      Yeah, Tiffany, it’s our fault that Bill made us all look like bloodthirsty killers with his lies, which are OK because the pot smokers got what they want in Colorado. Nice set of morals you have there. Yes, I’m judging you.

  43. Hondo says:

    Tiffany: some of what you say may well be true. And all of it is irrelevant.

    As Jonn stated, Chengelis slandered every veteran who ever served honorably by perpetuating the “crazed, war-criminal Vietnam vet” myth. And he did it for political gain.

    That makes him a shitbird of the first order. And it makes you a fool of the same order for falling for his lies.

    Open your eyes, youngster. Your “hero” is a lying bastard, not someone deserving of adulation.

  44. Twist says:

    Tiffany, I am sorry for what you went through.

    Claiming to have been cutting off ears as a job does nothing but paint all veterans an non-human animals. Veterans are already finding it harder and harder to find jobs due to the stigma of PTS. Propogating the PTS stigma and using this as a help-me-up to pass legalizing pot is despicable. So of course we are angry, but hey you guys got legal pot so fuck the veterans.

  45. NHSparky says:

    Tiff: TL/DR.

    Jesus, I take off for the weekend and come back to all these mutts scooting their asses on the carpet? Seriously?

    Memo to long-winded hippies: You can beat me, you can torture me, just don’t BORE me.

  46. Nik says:

    “All vets are deserving.”

    That is bullshit. Not all vets are deserving. How about Oswald, McVeigh, Hasan?

    “I’ve known Bill for 14 years and I’ve always known his story.”

    So you’ve always known he’s an unmitigated liar, and you defend him? Just the fact that you didn’t call him on his shit makes you just as culpable.

    I’m sorry for your troubles. I truly am. And the worthiness of cannabis as a medical treatment isn’t even the point of contention in this case. I suspect you’d find we’re not of one mind on that subject.

    The topic is this guy and his lies. That’s it. Throwing anything else in is pure obfuscation. There is no excuse for that. None. People speak out on behalf of others who are suffering all the time, and they don’t make false claims to make their point. They understand that they cannot serve good by doing evil.

    They understand once you start lying you harm your own cause, you don’t help it. Right thinking people don’t trust liars.

    I do have to point out the amusement factor here, Tiffany. You come here and start acting morally superior all the while calling other people’s names. Pure hypocrisy. Good job.

  47. Wayward Bill says:

    Someone did the hard work for us on this ass clown who calls himself Wayward Bill who is the chairman of the US Marijuana Party and supposedly spearheaded the pot initiative in Colorado last week. Of course, since he’s Vietnam-era aged, he had to claim that he needs pot to treat his PTS from the awful things that the military forced him to do in Vietnam;

    Based on this opening statement it sounds like laws were broken to obtain my information. Because of this I will be turning this over to my 3 attorneys. No more comment from me hopefully I’ll see you in court Mr. Steve W Giles.

  48. NHSparky says:

    Marijuana Party, Green Party, Dipshit Party…welcome to America 2012.

    It was a good country while it lasted. Fuck it. I’m going Galt.

  49. The Dead Man says:

    #43 You know scientists have shown that long term pot use causes damage to the memory centers of the brain among other areas as well as the lungs since you’re inhaling smoke and all. If you’re going to advocate pot, at least make sure science has your back on claims like that.

    Compounding it with a liar hurts your cause as much as it hurts veterans. Perhaps you could kindly unscrew your head, clear the smoke and take a look around for a moment.

    Or light up another one to drown out the mean people and forget all about this.

  50. NHSparky says:

    Oh, and Bill? FOIA. Look it up on Google in between bong hits, ya dipshit.