Douche bag being douchie
Meet Lindsey Stone, a self-proclaimed douchebag. See that picture? She thinks it’s hilarious because she’s being her douche bag self. Of course, she’s at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldiers, and she thinks that doing what she’s doing is like smoking under a “No Smoking” sign.
This is just us, being the douchebags that we are, challenging authority in general
Whose authority, Lindsey? The folks enforcing the “Silence & Respect” are soldiers. The Tomb is property of the Army, more accurately, the soldiers who are interred there. Of course, the sign is just supposed to remind you of your own proper conduct, the proper conduct you were not taught by your parents, apparently. There is no authority to challenge, really, well, except your upbringing, which by the looks of things is lacking.
Of course, the reason that you think this is funny is because popular culture tells you that the more outrageous you are, the more popular you’ll be. I believe your generation calls it “pushing the envelope” or something. Congratulations, Lindsey, you found the outer edge of the envelope, outside the limits of what we as a civilized society will accept.
Of course, Lindsey’s friends told her that she was wrong, but she left the picture up on her Facebook thingie – right through Veterans’ Day, so she wasn’t chastised quite enough to make her feel any measure of shame for her behavior.
Thanks to JP for the link.
Edit by NSOM:
Pending a follow up from Jonn, do not post home contact information for anyone you think may be Stone. It may not actually be her, innocent third parties may live there and just because YOU’RE mentally stable doesn’t mean the next person to read her home address is too. Her workplace and work number are fine, home addresses are not.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Thank God for Facebook, otherwise we wouldn’t know how many assholes are actually out there. KMaybe someone can go up to Plymouth Massachusetts and drop a duece on her grandparents grave, and just laugh it off as being a douchebag.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Somebody needs a taco punch.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
F@#$ that fat douche
November 19th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
And to think there is at least one more asshole out there, the shithead that took the photograph.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
I live in massachusetts.. they call them Mass-holes. Liberal fuck-tard douchebag state… pretty much the 99% of them.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
I am a long time reader at this site and have seen many things over the years that annoy or irritate me. Usually I just chalk it up to people stupidly using the right to freedom of speech (which I wore the AF uniform for 30 years protecting), freedom of expression, whatever. I am also not a violent person. Having said that, I would love to find her and stomp a huge mudhole in her ass and and continue until she sees the error of her ways. I’d probably have to pack a lunch and bring a flashlight
November 19th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Gee, Linsdey – seeing as you like to “push the envelope”, if you predecease me I guess you won’t mind what I plan to do in that case.
Should you predecease me, I plan to find out where you’re buried and piss on your grave. Just chalk it up to me being an ass and “pushing the envelope” in my own way.
You can consider that act a message from my father, both of his brothers, three uncles by marriage (one of whom I never met because he didn’t come home from World War II), and a great uncle. All but one of them, unfortunately, are now dead. And yes – they were all veterans.
So am I. But I’m still here, and can deliver the message for them.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
I apologize in advance.
Fuck that bitch.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Maybe she should enlist in the MC.
I believe it would be good for her education.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
She’s pushing the envelope of whatever scale she steps on in the morning, that’s for sure. There’s no shortage of ignorant fucking people on this planet, fatass there is living proof of that.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
From the looks of her, before and after the photo was taken, she was hitting the nearest Wawa to clean them out of Twinkies and Ho-Hos…joke’s on her, because it looks like Twinkie the Kid rides again, but yeesh. Hello, nasty.
Douchie Douchebag indeed.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
The real shame is that she has no shame.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
“Obviously we meant NO disrespect to people who serve or have served our country”?
Really? So…screaming at someone’s gravesite is how you show respect? STFU you ugly pig-bitch. I think Hondo’s suggestion (@7) was good, but it doesn’t quite go far enough for me.
If she dies first…dig the bitch up and move her.
To a pig-farm.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Some people are alive simply because it’s against the law to remove them from the gene pool – this is one of them.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
I’m thinking of a word that rhymes with “runt”…
November 19th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
I am middle-aged and am somwhet techinically savy and proficient. Sort of. But it is beyound my scope of comprehension why these fools post this gargabe on facebook, my space, etc.
They never undersatnd that for every ignorant (stupid) action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
And hey, I was a History major.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Her FB page is now down. I wonder why. Were some people showing her disrespect? That’s odd because she gets her jollies showing others disrespect, especially those of our Fallen who are known, wherever their final resting place, by God alone. There aren’t very many Lindsey Stones in Mass. It shouldn’t be too tough to locate this particular one. I mean it’s all just fun and games, right? It’s a laugh a minute for this chick. She ought to enjoy the onslaught. Her parents probably will too.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
I haven’t commented because I really don’t have anything to say about her and the person who took the picture. It’s indicative of the society we currently live in where people think it’s all about them. They don’t give a shit about anyone else or what affect their actions have on others. It’s all about the “look at me” attitude they have grown up with and their twisted sense of what is respect. They need guidance that they aren’t getting from anyone and I think the thing that we can do is to give them such guidance……………..ok, I know that those who know me are a little shocked by my calm demeanor on this, considering some of my profanity laced rants, but it just isn’t worth me getting all whipped up about. She’s but one douche in a society full of them, like the fat fuck who did several youtube videos bragging about going to Applebees to get a free meal pretending to be a Veteran on Veterans Day.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
@15 Calling her that would give her useful purpose in life. Not that I even consider giving her the usefulness.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
What goes around comes around. Karma is for real and its a real bitch. Get used to it Lindsey.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Her Facebook page is still up and running.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
@21. I hit the link and the notice said the page was unavailable. I thought that meant it was down. I’m not FB savvy.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
My parants taught me to never lay a hand on a woman. This female is making me rethink that. I want to throat punch her.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
“They don’t give a shit about anyone else or what affect their actions have on others. It’s all about the “look at me” attitude they have grown up with and their twisted sense of what is respect.”
The only good thing I see about the direction our society is taking is this; Their “look at me” attitude nicely showcases their shitbag actions. Makes it easier to spot the wastes of human flesh.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Makes you kinda proud that we allow our insane to walk freely amongst us, doesn’t it? OK, she may not yet be insane, but she might be one day when she finally understands that not everyone finds humor is such behavior. And one day, under some circumstance, it will make a differance to her that this pic will keep her from having something she wants.
Idiot.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
@25
“And one day, under some circumstance, it will make a differance to her that this pic will keep her from having something she wants.”
Hopefully a job.
Or better, hopefully she falls for some guy, or girl…hey…it’s the times we live in, who was a Vet or is related to one. Then, when they Google her (cause people do that nowadays), they can find out what kinda doucherella she is and how she shows respect.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Some kids obviously didn’t get enough of an ass whooping when they needed it!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
What she obviously doesn’t understand is that repect is a two way street. In order to get respect, one first has to show respect.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
What a cunt.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Obviously, she can’t understand normal thinking.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Idiots, her weight is fine. Stop being awful and petty. It’s what she’s doing that sucks the big one. I’m with the veteran who wants to pee on her grave.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
she works at LIFE — here is a number/email:
Telephone: (208) 888-
lpearce
November 19th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
@32. Yeah, well, that may or may not be her contact info. Her name is L. Pearce? You know her?
November 19th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
“Stop being awful and petty.” Oh, okay. Her weight is fine. Her appearance, however, in that photo is repugnant. She is a self-proclaimed douchebag. She has a perverse sense of humor. She is now afraid and will no doubt seek to consult the authority she claims to despise and no doubt want to attack this blog in some fashion for the free expression she prizes in extending her migddle finger to our nation’s unknown Fallen. The fact that some of us merely lash out with a few well or ill chosen words for her is to their credit. In another place, very bad things would happen to her.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Come to find out she took this pic on a WORK trip!! She was on the trip with those she cares for when this was taken! She is nothing but a waste in my opinion!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
“Obviously she meant no disrespect.”
The problem with douchebags … they were raised by douchebag parents, schooled at douchebag institutions of lower education, and most of their friends are douchebags. Their close relatives are all douchebags, most of the holiday cards and greetings they recieve throughout the year are from fellow douchebags. No doubt their siblings are all douchebags too. They support and vote for douchebags and shop at stores owned by douchebags. When douchebags go to hell, as they all do, they will be in good company … with every other douchebag that had gone before them … kinda like an eternal douchebag association.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
I have been sending this link to a lot of her facebook friends, one even being a Soldier. I am sure that he will have a problem with her envelope pushing.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Idaho? Massachusetts? I’m confused. Where does this thing live?
November 19th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
This is what Zinn and others have wrought. Of course she has no respect for the honoured dead because all she has ever been taught is “black armband history”. That these men fought for racism, imperialism and Western cultural hegemony… the usual pc bullshit. These aren’t real people to her, much less real heroes.
Makes me sick.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
@32: I’m pretty certain your information is incorrect. She appears to be from the Plymouth, MA, area, and additional (unconfirmed but likely) information on her employer and phone number can also be found online, but it seems overkill at this point. She’s in a world of hurt right now, and deservedly so.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I stand corrected – it appears Anonymous #32 had the right number, though the e-mail address that should have gone with it is: lstone@lifecapecod.org
Another blog also has information on who apparently took the picture, an employee of the same place. Here’s the management team:
http://www.lifecapecod.org/life_management_team.html
November 19th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
@36.
Right on.
That is what I have been screaming.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
This is the type of idiot my husband gave his life for? What an asshat. Stop by Section 60 Lindsey and try this. I’m in a “giving” mood this year.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
She works with handicap adults in Hyannis, Ma. What a freaking MASShole! This twit needs her head checked and her boss needs to see what they have working for them.. Oh, wait the people from Overly sensitive military wives have made sure of her employer being made aware of her shitty disrespectful ways! I have to say I am so angry as I have friends who are buried there in Arlington and my BFF dad and so many more who the hell does this C-Bag think she is going to a grave yard and disrespecting it an then act like the poor little rebel when she is busted! I am shocked that she is just so freaking foolish!!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Stone, Lindsey – Case/Money Manager at Hyannis……508-418-5668 lstone@lifecapecod.org
November 19th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
I wonder if she would think burning a cross in front of the White House a hit, transgressive way to be “challenging authority in general”? Or wearing a KKK robe to the MLK museum?
November 19th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Stone, Lindsey – Case/Money Manager at Hyannis……508-418-5668 lstone@lifecapecod.org
November 19th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Bet she wouldn’t yell at a McDonald’s sign like that.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
I have spent the last several hours in my luboratory analyzing and performing experiments with respects to one Lindsey Stone. All results are conclusive and leaves me to conclude with absolute certainty that Linsey Stone is in fact a douchebag.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
She is listed as an employee on this link: http://www.lifecapecod.org/staff_directory.html. Any bets by tomorrow she will be wiped from their directory, ala Larry Sims?
November 19th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
I wonder just how blown up the Management Team is going to find their inboxes in the morning.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
I can get the deal with being funny but there are lines…and you crossed it.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
@50: I’ll be in the vast minority with this opinion, perhaps, but I actually hope she keeps her job. I’d rather she work in a place where people know she’ll be and she has to face her idiocy and make up for it somehow than to have her vanish and not be held accountable.
I’m sure there are lots of ways we could turn this into a positive thing.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Well, you can do the nasty thing and leave angry messages on her voicemail at work, or clog her e-mail inbox with them. Or you can do something smarter and write a letter to the director of Life Cape Cod, explaining that you are veterans or families of veterans, some of whom were KIA or WIA, and you object to her behavior, especially at Arlington National Cemetery, and that you want a written apology from her. And send a print out of that photo with it, just to emphasize it. A LARGE print.
And be tactful. Act like the adults you are. But be direct. And while you’re at it, send a copy to the local newspaper.
Yeah, she needs a smack on the backside hard enough to blister it and make her eat her meals standing up for about two months, but it’s frequently more effective to take a more appropriate, and less confrontational, approach.
That’s all I have to say.
Aside from wanting to choke her on bear spray.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
“And while you’re at it, send a copy to the local newspaper.”
My local paper is so lib-tastic, they might want to send her a medal. Ditto that for all the papers in the vicinity.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
@55: I’m a liberal and I find this a disgrace.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Just sent a MCPO style email to the Ex Dir of Life.
I suspect Lindsey will not be employed by Life much longer … lets say by …. um … tomorrow!
They can not employ her any longer … based on her behavior in comparison to the org she works for … her actions are incongruent … she must be terminated … and the non-profit org board of directors will decide to terminate her. That is my prediction.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Someone please tell me they are sending this to her place of employment. It strikes me that someone who readily and proudly displays this type degenerate behavior (on a work trip no less) would have no problem abusing mentally challenged individuals they are paid to care for.
Id like to know if she is into “challenging authority” at her work with that level of disrespect.
I have a more productive idea of what she should be doing with that disgusting chubby digit protruding from her fleshy palm.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
I used to be a pretty good kicker in my ball playing days. I bet I could still put her over a fence.There’s no way I could miss that @$$.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
@57: I think you’re right, and I imagine those conversations are happening right now. I still think letting her keep the job contingent on a host of criteria and commitments is a better option.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
@60
And they might. They very well might let her keep her job. For all we know, they might well agree with her sentiments.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
She has her own thread (possibly 2 sep threads) over at ARfcom now.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
@61: Again, I’m a liberal, and I know a lot of other liberals, and can’t think of a single one who’d support this. We may disagree on politics, on how our military is used, or any other thing for that matter,… but ALMOST to a man, we hold those who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country in the utmost of respect.
A few whackjobs aren’t representative of liberal attitudes.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
@63
“A few whackjobs aren’t representative of liberal attitudes.”
Agreed. And if I gave you the impression I thought they were, you have my apologies. I can see how you could have come to that conclusion. I have friends and co-workers who are liberal, and they wouldn’t support crap like this.
I’m just saying I’m not certain she’d be disciplined or canned over a stupid, disrespectful bout of idiocy like this.
I’m a bit of a pessimist.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
[...] An Oddly Hopeful Sign For Me Meet Lindsey StoneNovember 19, 2012 By Mark Shea Leave a CommentJust one of many ungrateful jerks who make the world darker, colder, and stupider as they pee on the graves of people to whom they owe their fat, dumb, and unhappy lives. Here [...]
November 19th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
What is it that you DON’T THINK IT’S DISRESPECTFUL don’t you get? Being a douche bag is no excuse for being disrespectful. You are lucky a family member wasn’t there to see what an ass you made of yourself. Those are our fallen hero’s. Go be a douche bag at the president!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
she has changed her profile picture on facebook and can now be seen wearing a Red Sox shirt. The class two classes ahead of mine, 01-04, at the Civil Affairs and PSYOP school at SWC got mercilessly PT’d and rat fucked by the General in charge of USAJFKSWCS(A) due to similar behavior, on a trip to DC that was supposed to be a reward. Unfortunately, being AIT Soldiers, they were held to a higher standard, and, both DS’ and 3rd U.S. INF Cadre called down to SWC… The CG of the school hooked that entire class up, and my class 03-04, was the first to be allowed back. We kept our mouths shut at the Tomb, out of fear. I took time out to pay respect to a hero of mine buried near the Tomb, Nick Roe, is buried quite close to it…
November 19th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
The Director of the organization she works for is apparently not going to be in for the next week or so. I received an auto-reply to my email informing me she is out of office and asking that I instead contact Jim Godsill, who is listed on their contact list as the CFO of the organization.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&sa=N&tbo=d&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1366&bih=623&tbm=isch&tbnid=MPj9F5BaPXVhwM:&imgrefurl=http://ru.memegenerator.net/instance/29463206&docid=ldGXA5lGSbzTKM&imgurl=http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/29463206.jpg&w=400&h=345&ei=eP-qULeLN_SC0QHsvICYDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=686&vpy=306&dur=416&hovh=208&hovw=242&tx=143&ty=166&sig=111350570337053461834&page=1&tbnh=151&tbnw=176&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0,i:104
November 19th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Although I am Canadian, it makes me sick how bush pigs like this claim they didn’t mean any “disrespect” for getting caught doing that? Do me a favor please. The next time you come across a Vet,show them this picture of you flipping the bird at a memorial/cemetery so that way,that particular Vet who see it,can shove his/her foot up your fat,candy associated………..SIDEWAT!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
I meant this one:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/29463206.jpg
November 19th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Frankly, I wouldn’t expect this to inspire a positive change in Ms Stone. She seems so self-absorbed that instead of looking at her behavior to figure out what evoked such ire, she would probably loudly complain. “It’s not fair”, “I was just playing around”, “They’re picking on me”.
On the other hand, it does give the organization to show what kind of people they are.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Im not a gynocologist, but I know a cunt when I see one
November 20th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Picture says a thousand words next time make a better choice
November 20th, 2012 at 12:07 am
@ 73 … Smack .. You go Girl!
November 20th, 2012 at 12:13 am
According to Lindsey’s place of employment’s FB page the photographer has been named as Jamie Schuh. In my eyes he/she is just as guilty for participating in the photo.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:14 am
@75
I promise she is getting plenty of attention on Facebook. Not by who she probably ever wanted tho. Nothing like pissing off an untold number of Military members and spouses to get that twinkie guzzling ego in check for her.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:14 am
@76: She. Jamie is a she, and on the management team.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:16 am
“It has come to our attention that a member of LIFE staff has posted a photo on a personal facebook page that has upset others. This photo in no way reflects the opinions of LIFE staff members and/or anyone affiliated with our organization. We sincerely apologize for any offense that the photo may have caused and we are drafting an official apology to be released in the morning.”
The most recent post on the Facebook page of her employer.
(http://www.facebook.com/LIFECapeCod)
November 20th, 2012 at 12:17 am
Management should know better, just saying…
November 20th, 2012 at 12:17 am
I spent 18 months in Afghanistan and buried 3 of my friends. I fought for your right to show little respect for people in uniform…your welcome.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:21 am
We should thank TAH, its members, and Al Gore. For without Al and his invention of the internet, we could not have recieved such a speedly resolution to the douchebagedness of Lindsey Stone.
Yo Lindesy, four words: fast food career opportunities.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:24 am
@79
And just like that, her world implodes.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:26 am
Being a douchebag appears not to have been as much fun as she thought it might be.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:30 am
The Life twitterfacebook thingy page is exploding with comments … BRAVO ZULU!
November 20th, 2012 at 12:38 am
Damn, over 600 comments in a half an hour.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:40 am
729 as of a few seconds ago.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:41 am
LOL. 753 now, and they only have 669 likes.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:43 am
Holy crap … the comments are landing like NGFS … rounds on target. Second prediction: Facetwitterlinkpagebook thingy will be shut down soon!
Oh the Humanity!
November 20th, 2012 at 12:44 am
That’s not including the 300+ comments on their “We love Veterans” type post:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=532179296810847&set=a.114940265201421.14052.111187028910078&type=1
November 20th, 2012 at 12:44 am
Watch for something on the TV news tomorrow.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:48 am
Holy crap … the comments are landing like NGFS … rounds on target. Second prediction: Facetwitterlinkpagebook thingy will be shut down soon!
Oh the Humanity!
There are now 17 Billion comments because of this:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fire-Lindsey-Stone/303141669801170
November 20th, 2012 at 12:51 am
@79 wow Will, I went to that link you posted and the message they posted already has 900ish comments on it.
Yeah, that’s pretty heavy response, I don’t see Lindsey thru the day tomorrow, but I could be wrong.
@67…Lucky, small world. I had a feeling though.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:52 am
By my count, over 1300 comments. It’ll be interesting to see how things go from here and what kind of company LIFE is.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:53 am
That’s 1300 between the two posts, the one from them and their Veteran’s Day Flag photo. That doesn’t count the stray posts on things completely unrelated.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:55 am
All of you who commented, fuckoff
November 20th, 2012 at 12:56 am
It was a harmless joke. Maybe if you all took your tampons out before looking at the picture you wouldn’t be so pissed and uptight.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:56 am
There are multiple Anti Lindsey Stome Facepages out there. She need to hide, leave town, move to Cananada, she needs to do something … because it is all over!
November 20th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Tell us about yourself, Frank.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Frankie seems to have a problem with people expressing opinions about a self-described douchebag.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Hey .. Frank FUCK YOU!
November 20th, 2012 at 12:58 am
@97
Awww….well this is just a joke too. Much as Ms Stone found it the height of hilarity to show such utter disrespect in one of the most solemn places in this country, maybe we find it funny to witness her well-deeserved aftermath.
Now stop being so uptight and enjoy the laugh. Asshole.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:59 am
Arlington National Cemetary is not the place for a joke like that, you fucking dick smudge.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:59 am
Okay all of you who are stepping up, whats the worst thing you’ve ever done? I bet it was worse than that, because that was just a harmless joke. If you let it get to you, then you let her win at “pushing the envelope” to get a rise out of people. Stop saying shit about her, none of us have the right to judge her based off of one picture.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:01 am
Why not, Frankie? You’re judging people here based on less than one picture, aren’t you?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:01 am
Frank, I have friends buried at Arlington. I think I DO have that right.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:01 am
This is what I feel like saying to her in her near future…
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/21174478.jpg
November 20th, 2012 at 1:01 am
@104
I believe the saying is “a picture is worth 1000 words”. Well that picture told us a lot about her.
And, if she considers the reaction to her “joke” to be a win, I hope she enjoys it and savors it and gets to experience it over and over and over.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:02 am
When did i judge anyone here?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:04 am
Oh, you weren’t judging people here when you said to “fuckoff” in @96?
Or when you said we should take our tampons out to avoid being so uptight in @97?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:04 am
Given the fact this picture went viral in a matter of hours, and the majority of reactions to it are negative, it seems like it isn’t exactly harmless.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:05 am
If this were just a harmless joke, she would have taken down the picture. Her “friends” on facebook reportedly told her it was disrespectful. Now, that’s not what I consider to be a joke.
That said, she chose to leave her disrespect on display. That alone shows her abject lack of character.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:07 am
If she intended to insult people then yes, this would be okay. She didn’t think it was that bad, she thought it was harmless. She doesn’t deserve this humiliation. Malclave, whats the worst thing you’ve ever done?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:07 am
Frank.
Really?
Wow.
Turd.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:09 am
I hope eventually will the guilt of this and people telling how much you are P.O.S. are , I hope you go threw depression , get medicated , loose everything important in your life and serious hope you suffer with the pains that this life can bring for the rest of your life People voice how they much they dislike the military all the time but how dare you go there and do what you did!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:10 am
Well she should have thought about what other people may think of it. Some people have to learn the hard way that,yes, you have freedom of speech, but sometimes it has consequences.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:10 am
Frank … I have a right to judge her … because it is my Brothers and Sisters she was giving the finger to.
Eat that sandwich you moron.
I take it you are a friend, the sorrowful husband of, the brother, or perhaps the father of this POS. You should be ashamed!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:10 am
Frank, she described herself as being “douchie”.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:10 am
@113
She left it. Even after being told it was “that bad”. Even after being told it was disrespectful. Even after being told it was insulting.
She absolutly and without doubt or prevarication earned every ounce of humiliation. She certainly is getting an education. Free of charge, courtesy of those she offended.
Why is it that we, as Vets, have to shut up? She was exercising her right to free speech. Why can’t we?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:11 am
Green Thumb .. you are awesome … “TURD”
November 20th, 2012 at 1:12 am
I’m just saying, the majority of people on this are speaking down to her, meaning they think themselves above her. You just don’t have to be so rude. She’s gotten enough shit for this. Have a heart.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:13 am
Hey Frank, would, say, burning a cross in front of the White House be a joke to you? Would you find giving a nazi salute in front of the Holocaust museum a funny joke?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:14 am
Most of us don’t act like complete ass clowns in public so yes, we are above her.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:15 am
@113
Worst thing I’ve ever done? Not going to tell you… but then, I don’t go around bragging about my sins on the internet.
You say “she doesn’t deserve this humiliation”. Why not? She posted the picture, didn’t she? She thinks it’s funny to be a “douchebag”… but doesn’t that just say that she knew from the beginning that she’s in the wrong?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:16 am
Malclave i know that point your making, i agree and i respect it. But your telling me all of this humiliation is a proper punishment?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:16 am
@121
Who are you to say when she’s gotten “enough”?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:17 am
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. She wanted attention, so what’s the problem again?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:18 am
Lindsey M Stone
Home (508) 888-****
*** ****** Rd
Plymouth, MA *****-****
*Edited by NSOM*
Do NOT post Stone’s personal address. You all have her work place and number. You don’t know who else lives there and you don’t how crazy the next person to read your post might be. Unless Jonn says otherwise, no home contact information.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:18 am
The fact that everyone here is shitting on her constantly and being rude to her, and the countless pages about her is a lot. If your gonna sit here and talk shit about her, and say she’s childish, just so that your even, then your just as childish as she is.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:19 am
@ Frank: I imagine we’ve all done bad things – and, when the shit hits the fan, we usually have to own up to them, as is the case here. The fact that you say she doesn’t think it was that bad conveys the real problem here – she doesn’t get it. Look, I understand the humor – ‘silence’ and ‘respect’ get turned into yelling and the middle finger. Not my kind of humor, but I can see the attempt. Except that this is a solemn place to many people here for what it represents. Ever had people in your family die? You wouldn’t like people disrespecting their graves, would you? If someone took pictures of themselves mooning a camera, say, right next to your grandparents’ grave stones, that would annoy you, right? You wouldn’t find humor in it? It’s not an exact parallel, but it’s a start.
My suggestion for her, if you know her – tell her to REALIZE how important this is to people, not to downplay it, and to make some serious amends. Ask forgiveness, own up to it, and volunteer with some local veteran’s charity, learn a little and grow from the experience.
Anger is high right now, and rightfully so, but if she can turn this into something good, show a little growth, and own up to the mistake, I’d consider that a ‘life lesson’ and let it be.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:19 am
@125
Humiliation is a damn sight cheaper than the price paid by the people she’s disrespecting. They gave their life to defend her right to free speech and this is how she repays them.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:19 am
@125
So… leave her alone because she’s a dainty little flower and her feelings are being hurt? She doesn’t seem to care much about others’ feelings.
If she doesn’t want to be “humiliated” by the comments here, there’s an easy and obvious solution.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:20 am
Well it goes back to most of us not acting like total ass clowns in public. Calling her out on her bullshit doesn’t make anyone childish.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:21 am
Lindsey needs a quick lesson on life! Let us all demand that that bitch be sent to Afghanistan….put her on the front lines and let her see what exactly she needs to be grateful for this Thanksgiving! She needs to be noted as a traitor and excommunicated from being an American! Let her pray she doesn’t meet me, a friend to many friends with kids fighting for her, and my other friends, who have children fighting for her and friends who have lost their children for her! What a disgrace! She should screw like the bitch who killed her daughter in Florida! You have been seen Lindsey…remember that! You are an embarrassment and a complete idiot!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:22 am
If she wanted the experience of “challenging authority” and being a douchebag, I’d say she’s getting the full package.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:24 am
@130Anonymus I don’t know her. I’m just a kid from Worcester. And i’ll stand up for her because no one else will, and nobody deserves all of this. She got her lesson, and now its being taken too far. Posting her address and home phone number? Just let her be, she’s had enough. She’s a person too, and right now she has everyone against her and probably isn’t doing too hot and is losing her job, so the less hate, could possibly save someones life here.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:24 am
Frank …
I know you won’t sleep tonight, neither will Lindsey. But that is ok with me (us). You see there are tens of thousands of us around the world tonight not sleeping, standing the watch, care for those less fortunate, kicking in doors, killing YOUR enemies, protecting our country. So yes, Lindsey is a causalty of her own making, she is nothing now, on to the next violator, there are so many! Wishing her many sleepless nights!
Tell Lindsey I said happy job hunting in this flourishing economy!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:26 am
Is this some kind of a test? Why are there people commenting in her favor? If this is a test…you should be ashamed of yourselves! You have hurt so many! This is bullshit…flower…daisy…what? You people need to stand in the shoes of a soldier or one of their family members! Ungrateful bastards who do not stand up for them! So it is noted….
November 20th, 2012 at 1:27 am
@136
I’ll agree with you in one respect… that posting her address and phone number is going too far.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:28 am
Yo Frank … let it go … kid! You are playing in a minefield and you have zero experience!
BTW if you believe that she will do harm to herself or others call 911. Report what you believe. Her address is above.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:29 am
@138
If you’re talking about Malclave’s comments (@132), I believe that was sarcasm.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:30 am
Malclave, i’m glad we can agree somewhere. I just hate seeing someone get so bullied and have no one to stand up for them. And MCPO fuckoff i have no experience you don’t even know me.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:33 am
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f33/wolvee123/16636_178843514012_8159971_n.jpg
November 20th, 2012 at 1:33 am
Frank, again…tell us about yourself. All,we have so far is a kid from Worcester.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:35 am
Guarandamntee he’s a fuggin black ops II Ninja. He’s seen things man. So much trigger time on the 360 he can kill you with his thumbs.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:36 am
@142
Not everyone deserves someone to stand up for them. A person takes an action, that action should have consequences, positive or negative. That’s one of the problems with our society, we’re systematically removing the consequences from actions.
I wouldn’t have posted her home address or phone number, and Hondo or Jonn or another admin should redact that post-haste. But, unless she does something stupid, she’ll live through this. Her reputation tarnished for a time. And maybe, just maybe, she’ll learn something of a lesson. Or at least she’ll maybe learn to be more discrete.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:36 am
I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:37 am
@ Frank – #97 – “harmless joke”. Really harmless when a a family friend was just buried there the other day. Really harmless when people are grieving their loved ones. Apparently you and your friend Lindsey have no clue what it means to respect, honor and cherish all these brave men & women who have made the ultimate sacrifice for the “harmless joke”. And your comment about tampons – you too are disgusting. Both of you are beyond words disgusting.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:37 am
I’m a kid from Worcester. I’m in college. I play rugby, and I act, I’m a theater Major. I grew up with two parents, a sister and my favorite food is lasagna.
Virtual insanity, anything else?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:39 am
Posting an address you believe to be Stone’s is not a good idea, please don’t do it.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:39 am
@136 Frank: I agree that many here take things too far – and I say that with friends and family buried at Arlington. At the same time, this was brought on by HER actions, not people here – they didn’t instigate this. Apparently she posed for the picture, then posted it, and when her own friends told her it was disrespectful, she kept it up. Three bad decisions in a row.
Yes, we’ve all done stupid things, and thankfully for most of us we’ve not had the bright spotlight of the internet on us when that happens. What happens now is entirely up to her, though – she started this and SHE needs to be the one to stand up, apologize, and make things as right as she can. That would do a lot to stem the anger. In the meantime, while you’re being understanding of her point-of-view, also try to understand that of someone who lost family and friends to war ones only to see this sort of behavior to our most solemn memorial to their sacrifices.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:39 am
@ 147 … You are a POSER! Try that out for size. You would not pass for a Mess Crank onboard a decommisssioned FF!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:41 am
For some reason I am thinking of a comic I saw recently. An NCO is supervising a PVT digging a hole and the PVT says, “what am I supposed to learn?” The NCO says, “keep digging it is down there somewhere.” I think this young woman is learning a lesson that most of us know right off the bat there are certain things you don’t do. Secondly once you get called on it you don’t keep being a jackass about it. So she needs to keep digging until she figures out the lesson she needs to learn.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:41 am
Frank … You are a thespian that likes Italian food .. that explains everything!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:41 am
@ Frank – #97 – “harmless joke”. Was it a joke to the families that have loved ones buried there? What about to the widow, father, mother, son, daughter etc. that was there paying respects to their loved one?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:41 am
147 let me guess you are an expert at gorilla warfare!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:43 am
Fuck yeah Just Plain Jason.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:44 am
Hey Frank … I’ll hand your ass to you on the Rugby field … Meet me at Newports 7′s next year!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:46 am
Signal soldier i don’t think you understand my point. My point is, she’s had enough, just give it up. Proud of our vets, you think she meant to disrespect? No, it was a joke. Once again, Lindsey is not my friend, i don’t know her. I agree what she did was dumb, stupid, and unnecessary. But she’s had enough shit. And NAVYSEAL, come find me yourself, what are you gonna do, kill me? If you were really a man of respect that fought for our country you wouldn’t sound like such an asshole.
MCPO newport 7′s, next year? Whats the date, I’ll be there.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:46 am
Just curious how you got here and what’s helped you decide to wade in. Not being ugly, want to know who I’m talking to.
FWIW, i’m a retired soldier, 24 years, still serving my Army in a different capacity. 3rd generation Army, with a son in law school who wants to be Army JAG.
I have friends and relatives buried in Arlington; in fact, my son and his wife live right over the hill from the Cemetery.
It is hallowed ground, more than just about any other place in the U.S., to anyone who has served…especially those who have lost someone in service to the nation.
I agree with you on not posting the phone number and address. I disagree that she should be left alone, but it’s likely that enough scunion has fallen to make that point, too.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:46 am
@152
Hey now. Careful, Chief. He’ll sic his “lawers” on ya.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:47 am
Actually MCPO never mind, this isn’t about me and you.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:48 am
i’ve heard of a harmless joke. i’ve heard of harmless disrespect. i’ve heard of harmless mistakes. and how they have all been taken as harmful and offensive. and that’s okay, i respect you all for having that opinion and for taking a stand for what is obviously taking something too far.
i have never heard of harmless hate. and spreading hate is not what the soldiers or the loved ones of soldiers should be doing on the internet. putting the lives of this girl, and her entire family, in danger by posting her home address is too far. wishing for her life to implode is too far. she clearly did have a lesson to learn. But to push the envelope of hatred is worse than pushing the envelope of disrespect.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:49 am
@ 152 – I’ll put you in so much fucking pain that it’ll make Jesus fucking christ being nailed to a cross in the desert look like a fucking back massage on a tropical island. I don’t give a fuck how many reps you have or how tough you are IRL.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:50 am
@159
“My point is, she’s had enough, just give it up.”
Wait…who says? Not her. She’s not shown one iota of remorse or concern.
You say you’re not her friend, that you don’t even know her. Ok. I’ll take you at your word.
How do you know she’s not at the pub drinking and laughing right now? How do you know she’s even aware of her sudden internet fame? How do you know she isn’t perversely amused by the righteous anger displayed?
What proof do you offer that she’s had enough?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:50 am
#147 you could have at least posted the whole thing! Better yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZQ7ICzlng4
November 20th, 2012 at 1:51 am
@163
NSOM rightly took care of the home address and phone number issue.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:52 am
Frank …. let it go … like I said … NO EXPERIENCE!
You are not one of us … so don’t walk in here Billy Bad Ass … dropping the F Bomb in your first post … then come off like some anti-bully pussy. No one is bullying anyone here.
Go ahead … call me out agian …
November 20th, 2012 at 1:52 am
#166, do you even lift?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:53 am
Agreed home adresses and the like are off limits!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:53 am
@166
Bah. I totally missed that. I didn’t take “Navy_Seals” seriously, but didn’t make the connection to that video.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:53 am
Virtual Insanity i think your getting me. I’m saying this is a lot. I’m guessing she’ll definitely learn her lesson, and that maybe she just wasn’t that mature. I respect that you serve in the Army, and I meant no disrespect toward you in me sticking up for her, and it seems many people didn’t like that I did. I originally said “fuck all of you” and something about tampons cause i was just throwing in my 2 cents. But then it got serious, and I became part of this. I know this won’t do much, but maybe if I can get just a few people to ease up on her, others will follow.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:56 am
Good night all .. Frank you are a good stand up guy … beer up all!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:57 am
Nah, I drink too much.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:57 am
MYPO i don’t know if that is sarcasm or not.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:58 am
Enough, will be her termination from her employment that she was representing! I am very open minded, but as a combat veteran, I have no tolerance when it comes to someone disrespecting my brothers. She had opportunity to avoid this. This is of her own doing not mine or anyone else that is outraged. This will not be over until she is terminated! As veterans, we are not a group to give up easy, nor shrug something like this off! She will have had enough when each individual decides she has had enough!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:59 am
Yeah, Frank. Wading in from the get-go with the f-bomb and the tampon wasn’t a good idea. Like walking into a gun shop with the intent to rob it with an airsoft pistol, you showed up outgunned.
That said, the legs for this aren’t coming from this blog. It went facebook viral.
I’m pretty sure whatever happens from here out happens regardless of what this bunch of old soldiers/sailors/marines have to say.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:00 am
Hey folks. Don’t be fooled.
At least one asshat is on FB posing as Ms Stone and posting things to continue to stir the pot. Here’s an example (https://www.facebook.com/billy.blaspheme).
While I don’t agree with easing up on her, at least until there’s some reason to believe she’s learned something on this, I don’t believe in attributing actions to her that she did not take.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:00 am
@162
Young man for 148 years members of the United States Military have been buried at Arlington National Cemetary. Men and Women who served this country, with honor, dignity, and intergrity, in most cases gave their life. Lindsey’s actions show not only bad taste but a great deal of disrepect. Those Men and Women earned RESPECT.
And if she does not have the manners or dignity to be respectful then she should never be allowed on our hollowed ground.
I think we should file a complaint and have her banned from all National Cemetaries and Parks… That would teach her.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:01 am
Sarcasm.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:02 am
Wanted to post the photo of my friend buried at Arlington…died a few feet away from me in 2005 in a little hellhole of a place called Buhriz, but I can’t do that.
Life lessons aren’t meant to be easy…that’s why they’re called life lessons.
She showed monumental poor judgment and immaturity by posting the photo, but that offense could have been at least mitigated with a sincere and heartfelt apology. Instead, she doubled down on her tone deaf, ignorant behavior.
Some of us are so quick to play the white knight and ride to someone’s rescue who is undeserving. Lindsey Stone dishonored thousands with those actions…it’s not a joke when you consider that Arlington is hallowed ground.
Embarrassed for Frank and some of the “Anonymous” commenters here who are applying the victim card to Lindsey. When does she start behaving like an adult and show some accountability for her own actions? Hell, I’d settle for a modicum of contrition, but we haven’t even gotten that yet.
I suspect we’ll see it soon, but it’s too late, Lindsey. Like that tooltruck in Carolina who insulted the double amputee in Charlotte after the Panthers-Cowboys game a few weeks back, you’re going to find out that crapping on those who gave you the right to act like a complete moron won’t earn you much sympathy.
Frank and our anonymous namby-pamby pals excepted, of course.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:02 am
MYPO Very mature of you.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:04 am
I’m not applying a victim card, I’m saying she’s had enough. I’m saying what she did was stupid and she has gotten kicked around for it, and now I think it’s enough.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:04 am
I meant hallowed..
November 20th, 2012 at 2:06 am
Frank, maybe wait until she’s made at least some effort at apologizing before asking others to ease up on her. Thus far, she has done absolutely nothing other than try to hide the evidence. Her employer has said they will be issuing an apology, but she’s been pretty damn silent. I’ll be much more willing to go easy on her if she apologizes.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:07 am
Frank, you are the problem with the country. I see absolutely no reason why people have to go around spouting nonsense and chitter chatter every day about things in life that are just plain wrong. Honestly, this is such a communist country anyways. On the other hand, at least tonight I will sleep well knowing that when the going gets rough, the tough get going. I’m such a dick. Bah!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:09 am
MYPO I’m what’s wrong with the country? Look at you, arguing here with an 18 year old kid, making yourself look like a chilidish jackass. At first I respected you, now your just despicable.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:11 am
MCPO, don’t be so hard. These things can get a guy down. Feels bad man. Let’s look on the bright side though, America is dying anyways.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:12 am
Come on, Frank… the guy who told everyone else to take their tampons out is accusing someone else of being childish? The guy who said “All of you who commented, fuckoff” calling someone else despicable? Pot calling the kettle much?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:12 am
@187
Really? Is calling everyone “pissy”, saying they need to take the tampon out, and to fuck off an example of how you were respecting him, or anyone else here for that matter?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:13 am
Frank, I’m sick and tired of your bullshit.
Signal Soldier… If it weren’t for all these crazy religious nutbags in our country, we’d be fine. Why can’t a gay man marry in peace?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:16 am
189 and 190 i already said that i regret saying that. I said it because that’s all i originally planned on saying, because i was being childish. I said it, I apologize, but if you’ve noticed, I’ve moved on from that. I already took responsibility for my behavior, so keep bringing it up, it irrelevant now.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:18 am
MYPO Now your putting down religion? I never said a man can’t marry a man. I am an actor, i have many gay friends and some of them are very close to me. So I don’t know what point your trying to make but it’s a poor approach by starting out with putting down religion. Just like my start to this conversation was with guns-a-blazin.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:18 am
No Frank, it’s still relevant in that someone who flies off the handle and says dumbass things like that doesn’t really have a leg to stand on when they try calling someone else childish. Not even if you apologize for the dumbass comment you admit was childish.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:19 am
@191 Because if straight women allow gays to marry we will have no one to design clothes, shoes, handbags…and tell us when we really look like crap.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:20 am
And again, Frank, don’t you think it would be more appropriate to wait until AFTER Ms Stone makes some attempt at apology or shows even a hint of remorse before asking people to ease up on her? All she’s done thus far is try to cover up the evidence. Her employer has already done more in the way of apologizing.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:20 am
Well Will, i’m moving on from it, dwell on it if you must. But moving on. MYPO you said i have no experience blah blah blah, yet we’re still here arguing. Hmm.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:22 am
Hey Frank.
Maybe if this person were to apologize things would ease up some. Your not getting anywhere trying to defend the indefencable choice this person made.
It sickens me to think there are people out there that think this behavior is okay and cute or whatever.
I guess this is what we have ( This Country ) become. Our forefathers would be ashamed.
Just sayin…..
November 20th, 2012 at 2:26 am
Frank, I see what you’re saying and feel you’ve conducted yourself fine after the initial bit of stupidity… we may disagree, ultimately, on whether ‘enough’ has occurred yet, since there’s no evidence from the woman in question that she’s sought to apologize, but clearly there is a line beyond which it’s too much.
That said, this is the internet. Discussions that would merit a shrug of the shoulders and tacit acknowledgement of your argument were they happening over beers in a bar results in name-calling, taking things to extremes and unyielding stubbornness online. Technology is wonderful, isn’t it?
Of course, I’m a pariah here, too, so what do I know?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:26 am
Don i never said the behavior was okay or cute, and if anyone wants to shit on me for defending her in the sense of that she’s had enough so be it.
My first posts said “all of you who commented fuckoff” and
“It was a harmless joke. Maybe if you all took your tampons out before looking at the picture you wouldn’t be so pissed and uptight.”
That was before i realized the importance of the situation. Now im here, just saying my opinion. No intention of disrespecting anyone.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:26 am
Frank, listen to Don.
Don, truer words have never been spoken. What do you propose we do to remedy this?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:26 am
Frank-
Question- do you personally, without looking things up on wikipedia, know what the significance of Arlington is?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:27 am
I say we burn some fucking bibles, MCPO.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:28 am
Mr. Blue i have read each post on this page, and i fully understand the significance.
And MYPO, good input pal.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:29 am
Go to bed Frank- it’s past your bedtime.
You’re 18 and in college. You don’t get it and probably never will.
But save the faux outrage for people who care.
Like I said- when you have a close friend buried somewhere and someone pisses all over their memory, maybe you’ll have grown up enough by then to understand that some people aren’t going to accept that.
You’re real good at telling other people how to feel about this and that it’s “enough”
I say that you’re one more reminder to me of how disconnected you are from those of us who have served. You come off like the typical college kid- mom and dad have given you everything you want and you act like you’re righting some kind of wrong by being on here and telling the rest of us how unreasonable we’re being.
You at 18- barely old enough to vote, not old enough to drink…and had you taken a different path in life, might be one of the junior members of our military today.
But you know what?
You’re not, Frank. You’re a civilian. So, as nicely as I can put this: fuck off.
You’re not getting the last word here and you’ve admitted that you have no real dog in the fight. Therefore, you’re just being a smarmy asshole at this point, Frank. And nobody likes smarmy assholes- least off all, 18-year-old, rugby-playing theater majors who like lasagna from Wis-tah.
You’re not winning this. Nobody cares what you think or have to say on the matter. You haven’t earned that right. So, you can keep posting here, but we’ll outlast you, Frank. Because we’re here every day…and you aren’t.
You’re not one of us and never will be. So be a good boy and go night night.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:30 am
Frank, you still haven’t answered a question you’ve been asked multiple times by multiple people – wouldn’t it be better to wait until AFTER Lindsey Stone shows some remorse and apologizes before telling other people to ease up on her?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:32 am
Fine, burn bibles, fuck it.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:32 am
Agreed, MCPO
November 20th, 2012 at 2:32 am
Fire to the bibles!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:33 am
Burn in hell, bibles!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:33 am
Yeah, fuck that religious bullshit.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:33 am
Well… fine.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:34 am
Bible burning at my house!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:34 am
Someone posted this using my name “I say we burn some fucking bibles, MCPO.” This was not me!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:35 am
Not 100%, but I from a quick search it looks like her fb page is Facebook.com/menohoy.
No ability to send a message or request though. Same profile pic as above- changes sept 21. Wish we could bombard her there… But we can wait for the media to rip her to shreads
November 20th, 2012 at 2:35 am
Frank -
How do you know? How do you know she’s had enough? When she hasn’t shown one iota of concern or remorse, how can you say she’s had enough?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:35 am
Yes, it was me. I retract my last statement.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:36 am
Ptolemy, i’ll be the mature one and not insult you back.
I’m an 18 year old kid standing up against all of you, don’t tell me I’m just a kid that doesn’t know anything.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:36 am
Meh. We have some imposters here. Hell, they didn’t even get my name right. But, we know each other here well enough, with the exception of Frank, to know what was and was not said and by whom.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:38 am
Affirmative!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:38 am
Someone named themselves frank and said “Bible burning at my house!” This is just getting more and more childish.
Im the youngest one here and I’m being the most mature. Other than a few of you who have shown me some respect, which i thank you for.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:38 am
Frank, perhaps a side trip would help. Go to the top of the page and click on “member’s gallery.” Scroll through it.
Understand who you’re talking to a bit, might help your perspective.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:38 am
Fuck you Nik.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:39 am
@ Ptolemy (205): Have I earned the right? I have family and friends buried at Arlington, though I am a civilian. And all Frank is saying is that maybe enough damage is done, and that’s an understandable point of view. We don’t have any evidence it’s true, not yet anyway, but it’s entirely possible.
Let’s paint a worst-case scenario – the woman did this because she was unaware of the significance of the site, tired from a long trip and just did something utterly boneheaded. And now she’s getting death threats. If someone follows through on them, is that justifiable? I sure as hell hope you say no. We’ve got enough real enemies that we don’t need to make new ones of our own citizens, even if they’re idiots who are ignorant of Arlington. Let it be a teachable moment.
And many of the above posters agreed that the home phone number and address was in fact too much – which seems to be part of what Frank is saying. It’s not an unreasonable position, it’s simply one without a shred of evidence yet. Let the kid be. He’s not where the outrage should be focused.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:41 am
This is getting dumb. Honestly why post fake posts. Your all older then me, and have more life experience, but I’d say a variety of opinions is a good thing. I’m young, but none of us are 100% right.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:43 am
I will presume that at @223 Frank didn’t say that.
@224
I agree that we don’t have any evidence. And I agree that it would be a gross over-reaction if she were getting hate-filled calls and death threats, or worse.
That said, I don’t think easing up on responsible protest is appropriate either.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:44 am
2,466 comments on her employers announcement about the upcoming apology! They will have to act!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:44 am
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November 20th, 2012 at 2:45 am
@225
Frank, they’re an idiot. They think they’re amusing. Hondo or one of the admins will probably come along and clean it up, and if they’ve posted here before will likely out them for being the idiot they are.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:47 am
And Frank, you’re assuming it’s one of the regular posters here. It could be someone who followed the link from elsewhere. It could be someone who’s decided they need to stand up for Lindsey.
Or it could be one of the resident trolls that pop up here from time to time, trying to stir the pot.
Or it could be you. None of us know. I’m not going to leap to conclusions.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:48 am
@226: I’ll agree with you there – the ball is in her court. She should change her Facebook picture to an apology as a start, and go from there. She brought this on herself. Too little pressure and she’ll not grasp the importance of this, but death threats and constant harassment at her home are too much.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:49 am
I think what she did is emblematic of the military & civilian divide.
It wasn’t just stupid and disprespectful, it was done without any regard for where she was, and what Arlington means.
But what further bothers me is this: I think the community where she works, which is for developmentally disabled adults learning to live independently, deserves a far more aware and considerate staffer than this. These are people with a desire to be independent, despite overwhelming odds against it. And part of their education, or the milieu in which they live in, includes the learning of and the reinforcement of social skills. And it BOTHERS ME that someone like this works with them. Because they’re NOT stupid: they take this stuff in like a sponge.
I’m grateful the community where she lives has since posted an announcement regretting her action. I hope people will quit calling them. But I hope they question her suitability as a role model and guide to those who deserve better.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:56 am
Fuck all of you, Lindsey Stone did nothing wrong. Suck on my penis!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:57 am
I bet she is not to exited about going to work tomorrow!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:57 am
I suspect the imposter to be a troll named Stumpy Joe that crawls out from under his bridge from time-to-time. He just pulled similar stuff on another thread and then posted with his name.
Could be wrong, but it seems like his brand of idiocy.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:57 am
I agree Frank. Lindsey is a kind-hearted young woman. Let us bless her.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:57 am
Cool, Okay well, I’ve said what i had to. I respect your opinions, and i hope you respect mine. Goodnight all.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:57 am
I just want to get some of that pussy. Three cheers for Lindsey!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:59 am
I <3 more head.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:59 am
re #230
You don’t actually need one of us to tell you that every nonsensical or just plain stupid thing said by almost everyone since the MCPO “signed off” in #173 was from the same retard who originally posted as “Navy_Seals”, right?
November 20th, 2012 at 3:00 am
@224
I’ll bite.
Maybe Frank should just have the good sense to let things lie. He’s made his point and now needs to be the man he claims and just go away and respect the fact that just as Lindsey chose to express herself, so are we.
And shame on you for pulling up a strawman against me- I made no threats against her and my anger is directed at her behavior and lack of contrition- so far, we haven’t seen a shred of evidence that she is genuinely sorry that her actions stirred up some anger. I posted no personal info. and don’t operate that way- your middle paragraph is a distraction and has no business being directed at me. I’m talking about Lindsey’s unworthiness to be defended based on her (base) actions- you two seem to be splitting hairs here and frankly (no pun intended), I find it tiresome.
You and Frank want your POV to be respected, yet neither of you seem willing to allow us the same courtesy. Why is that? Just because you seem to be OK with taking a wait-and-see approach doesn’t mean I or others have to do the same- and you shouldn’t presume to speak for us or tell us how to treat Frank when he comes in here on the attack throwing insults around. Some of us have more credibility here than others…man up, sport.
I’d be interested in an answer from you on that basic question about why you seem to think Frank has the right to tell the rest of us to lay off because he’s “just” pointing out that maybe she’s had enough?
Because that wasn’t all Frank was saying. At least not initially. And so, maybe I question his position and motives. Maybe I just think that at this stage, he’s just being obtuse and trying to get a rise out of everyone and out of respect, maybe he should be the bigger guy and take it elsewhere. Frank, who by the way isn’t really making any new points other than to make inane responses as if fulfilling some bizarre need to get the last word in, is fond of reminding everyone here how he is “standing up to us”. Enough with the victim cards, folks.
If you don’t like it, leave. It’s that simple. Or, you can respect that we aren’t talked out yet- understand that you’ve made your points, and leave it at that.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:08 am
@240
Me? Maybe. I couldn’t understand why some things were getting said by people I didn’t expect to say them, especially MCPO. That’s why I kinda tried to stay away from those until I saw the blatant impostering. I probably didn’t catch on as soon as I should have. My bad.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:09 am
Disgraceful little C^&T ! She represents all that’s wrong with her generation.
Prime candidate for a backhand to the mouth.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:10 am
We need a way to have individual log ins without people being able to post in our name! I do agree that the jerk makes it so obvious! Coward!
November 20th, 2012 at 3:10 am
re #242
I’m not dumping on you, just letting you know you were right while pointing out that you seem smart enough to know what’s up without my having to have done so.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:13 am
@245
LOL. Now I’m second-guessing all the posts. Some of them are obvious trolls. Some of them are obviously legit. But there’s some in between that could go either way.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:14 am
Agreed!
November 20th, 2012 at 3:16 am
re #244
Ease of access for commenters comes at the cost of accuracy, sometimes. Blogs most likely to succeed have a sense of community and making it as easy as possible for people to participate is part of making that community thrive.
That’s not to say that if enough people complained Jonn wouldn’t change the ability to leave comments without registering. I’m not sure it’s a frequent enough of an issue to warrant the change and sometimes it actually leads to some real hilarity. I don’t pretend to know either way. After all, even though I have the admin buttons I basically just wander through when my real life allows and leave messes in Jonn’s virtual living room.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:18 am
If they love “challenging authority” then when I’m beating her to death she should challenge the legitimacy of a 911 call.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:20 am
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:59 am
I <3 more head.
Nik
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:57 am
I just want to get some of that pussy. Three cheers for Lindsey!
Signal Soldier
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:57 am
I agree Frank. Lindsey is a kind-hearted young woman. Let us bless her.
Frank
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:56 am
Fuck all of you, Lindsey Stone did nothing wrong. Suck on my penis!
Frank
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:38 am
Fuck you Nik.
Signal Soldier
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:35 am
Yes, it was me. I retract my last statement.
Frank
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:34 am
Bible burning at my house!
Ptolemy in Egypt
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:33 am
Well… fine.
Don
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:33 am
Yeah, fuck that religious bullshit.
Redacted1775
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:33 am
Burn in hell, bibles!
Nic
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:32 am
Fire to the bibles!
Mr. Blue
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:32 am
Agreed, MCPO
MCPO NYC USN (Ret.)
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:32 am
Fine, burn bibles, fuck it.
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:27 am
I say we burn some fucking bibles, MCPO.
MCPO NYC USN (Ret.)
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:26 am
Frank, listen to Don.
Don, truer words have never been spoken. What do you propose we do to remedy this?
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:13 am
Frank, I’m sick and tired of your bullshit.
Signal Soldier… If it weren’t for all these crazy religious nutbags in our country, we’d be fine. Why can’t a gay man marry in peace?
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:11 am
MCPO, don’t be so hard. These things can get a guy down. Feels bad man. Let’s look on the bright side though, America is dying anyways.
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:07 am
Frank, you are the problem with the country. I see absolutely no reason why people have to go around spouting nonsense and chitter chatter every day about things in life that are just plain wrong. Honestly, this is such a communist country anyways. On the other hand, at least tonight I will sleep well knowing that when the going gets rough, the tough get going. I’m such a dick. Bah!
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 2:01 am
Sarcasm.
Navy_Seals
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Submitted on 2012/11/20 at 1:52 am
#166, do you even lift?
November 20th, 2012 at 3:21 am
I’m thinking we’ve focused too much on just Ms Stone. She had an accomplice.
This shouldn’t just be about her. It took two to do this little dance. It wouldn’t be right for Ms Stone to face the consequences, if any, alone.
@NSOM
I think I just now got what you were saying. No, I don’t think anyone should have to go around cleaning up after the troll. That’s a bit much to put on you or anyone else.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:21 am
@241: I’ll give you the short answer – not out of any disrespect, but simply because it’s late and gets to the point faster. You said: “I’d be interested in an answer from you on that basic question about why you seem to think Frank has the right to tell the rest of us to lay off because he’s “just” pointing out that maybe she’s had enough?”
I think he has the right to that opinion, just as you are more than welcome to yours that, no, this isn’t ‘enough’ yet. (If that’s your opinion; I’m just making a point not trying to put words in your mouth.) I didn’t take his side and tell you all to ‘lay off’ the woman in question, I simply said that he has a point -even if we disagree with it- and personal attacks on HIM, for expressing that opinion as an 18-year old kid who stumbled in here and is apparently new to the site, simply aren’t necessary. Yeah, I know, his entrance started with his own stupidity, I get that. He apologized and moved on, though, so I felt the attacks were misguided and counterproductive.
It was never about telling you what to think about the woman and her acts of idiocy at Arlington, it was about what I felt to be misplaced anger at ‘Frank’. I’m not sure where you get that I don’t respect other points of view, but I have no problem with them. I wouldn’t be on here if I did. Feel differently? No problem.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:22 am
Thanks for the clarification!
November 20th, 2012 at 3:25 am
Your exactly right Signal Soldier. I was about to post that the last comment was not from me. I realize now that this COWARD is using most of us.
Check you all later.
Don
November 20th, 2012 at 3:27 am
You guys have a good one! Take care!
November 20th, 2012 at 3:32 am
@252
That’s reasonable.
I am angry at this individual Stone and got tired of Frank’s seemingly endless responses when he had more than enough openings to rest his case and move on. It now looks like some of those responses weren’t actually his, so…I probably should have left well enough alone at the end.
That said- respect is a two-way street. He knowingly chose to come in here and insert himself into a heated topic while lacking much of a perspective. Maybe next time he takes a different approach…
November 20th, 2012 at 3:38 am
@256: Oh, I agree he certainly jumped into the thick of it without having a sense of the atmosphere first – I’m only cutting him slack on that because he’s evidently new. If he does it again, he doesn’t get the same benefit of the doubt, but the fact that he seemed to learn from his mistake and adjust quickly (and apologize) lead me to give him some credit.
And yeah, the clown who was spoofing people caused a bit of mayhem too. No harm done, though, just a big distraction from the real stupidity – that of the Stone woman. And I share your anger at her actions. Let’s see what tomorrow brings on that front.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:55 am
I served myself in afgan and lost friends over seas and I’m saying fuck you to her!!!
November 20th, 2012 at 5:00 am
Frank, you’ve done nothing nor said anything for anyone to respect you. You’re as much of a piece of shit as the shitbag cunt causing this ruckus.
“Lindsey” most certainly hasn’t paid for her lack of manners and civility.
I am disappointed that the admin(s) would retract her home address as I would love to buy a plane ticket and picket in front of this assface’s home. And I’m sure I wouldn’t be alone.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:47 am
Frank, apparently the best part of you ran down your moms leg a number of years ago…..
Lindsey, your mom should have swallowed you disrespectful cunt bag
November 20th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Her and the Jamie lady that took the picture have already been forced to resign from another assisted living facility in the past for their behavior. Maybe LIFE should investigate potential employees a little better. They SHOULD take extra steps to make sure the person they are hiring is the best and most well able to take care of the disabled patrons they cater to.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:20 am
I’ll make you a deal, if she doesn’t go then we will. We (my military brothers and sisters) come by the millions and have families that come by even more astounding numbers; so, if you think your business is hurting now, watch what happens when we boycott by the millions. Just a simple piece of respect we want to show her and you if she’s not fired…..
November 20th, 2012 at 7:26 am
For the record: the individual NSOM identified as using multiple identities – including some of TAH regulars – in comment 250 above appears to have been the tool posting as “Navy_Seals”. His first several posts from that IP address were all under that screen name.
The IP address traces to a Comcast residential IP in Carlisle, PA.
I’ve changed the name associated with all of these to “Navy_Seals” – though “shithead” would have probably been more appropriate. As a result, some of the jerkwad’s comments may not make that much sense now, as the dipstick was talking to himself in some of his later posts.
I think it’s a good bet Jonn will be putting that IP address on the moderated list.
Sock puppets ain’t cool, Sealy-boy.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Wow…I take the night off and miss all THIS??
Maybe a little trip down to the Cape for a four-hour block of instructional counseling (say, drag her ass up to a VA Hospital around Boston) might be in order.
Followed by an ass-kick so hard she’ll be shitting between her shoulder blades. Not that I’m violent or anything.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:24 am
@ 264 – I will gladly vouch for your “non-violent or anything” behavior, Sparky. Instead of hauling her to the VA Hospital in Boston, make it a week long trip down to WRAMC. Let her and her picture taking friend, tell their sad story to the families, wives and wounded soldiers there. Just maybe, it’d hit home just a bit harder than kicking her ass up between her shoulder blades. Just a thought, amigo.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:24 am
I know, Sparky. I obviously went to bed too soon.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Once again, Emails and FB have the half life of an Atom…She will be forever hated until Code Pink hires her. I say bring back the “Code Red” on some of these folks… just kidding of course. maybe set her up on a date with Mikey Yawn, that would be punishment enough.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Taco? You are a *sick and twisted* individual. I like the punishment you just prescribed for some odd reason….lol!
November 20th, 2012 at 8:51 am
It was pretty quiet when most of us signed off last night! Seems we missed some fun. And it looks like that Karma thing that is mentioned from time to time has struck this pwecious widdle loon.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:54 am
She says she likes “challenging authority in general.” She will run to whatever authority she can now to seek relief from the onslaught of negative feedback she has invited to herself. You can bet on that. She will go to her authority figures at work and cry and plead. She will fo to FB and demand enforcement of some posting policy prohibitions of theirs. She will sob on the shoulders of mummsie and dadsie. She may even go to those most loathesome of authority figures–the police–to ask what action, if any she can take. Yes, it’s fun to challenge authority, isn’t it Lindsey?
November 20th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Someone needs to tell the round Marine that Lindsey has a cookie in her pocket.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Yawn.
Just another in the long line of attention seeking idiots doing whatever they can to stir anger and stroke their own egos. And the “best” way to do it is by doing something highly offensive to the military.
Sure way to get a zillion facebook rantings and attention. Then play it off and act like it was all a big “misunderstanding,” or in the cases of some, get so turned on by all the attention continue to act like an idiot.
So predictable.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:29 am
LIFE- Living Independently Forever
Copy and paste that name on Facebook to contact her employer! They posted last night that they would be apologizing for her behavior, and they have received almost 4600 replies so far.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Over 4,700 now!
November 20th, 2012 at 9:57 am
You know what, no where else in the civilized world would you see this shit, you wouldn’t see a German girl posting the same picture at aushwitzs. I know the US disbanded the whole draft thing, but maybe we should start acting like parts of Europe and make it a requirement to do a year of military involvement to teach these assholes why they are even allowed to be here. Or instead, we can just keep loaning them thousands of dollars for university educations that have “D’s get degrees” standards in which they waste all that loan and grant money on educating themselves to be varsity drinkers and straight up disrespectful pricks. The USA society has bred people just like this stupid bitch – why? Because everything has been handed to the American youth thanks to our “boomer” and “post-boomer” rich ass parents who were too concerned with making more money and living lavishly than actually installing morals into their children. I’m proud to come from a military family who taught me right. Otherwise I’d probably get sucker punched by a girl like me…
November 20th, 2012 at 10:03 am
By the way, their website this morning has a job advertisement for a new case manager…
November 20th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Over 5,176 comments on their non-apology so far!
November 20th, 2012 at 10:08 am
It is a stupid thing she did, but the death threats against her, the trying to get her fired goes too fucking far. Lynch Mobs are still alive and well today I guess though. don’t forget that while what she did was in poor taste, what many are now doing may be actually ILLEGAL!! Threatening someone with physical harm or death is a felony in most states and it doesn’t matter if you do it on facebook or some web blog. You threaten to kill or harm someone you are making yourself eligible for prosecution. Not to mention civil liabilities for harassing her…
What she did was wrong, but what I see going on now…. this is just as if not more wrong than some stupid childish photograph, that you know she did not mean to be disrespectful of those buried there. Let’s not allow that to stop us from a good ole fashioned lynching though.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:18 am
To Frank: I have a son laid to rest there. ( http://www.theyhavenames.com/heroes/jason_arnette.html )
to the rest, I took this from a posted earlier:
This is my proposal for an acceptable apology from her and LIFE All parties involved to include the one taking the photograph need to make and official public apology. People that do stuff like this will only make it and move on. They need to learn what sacrifices have been made for her to disrespect like she did. So i propose that Lindsey and Jamie both go work in a VA Hospital for a minimum of 3 weeks. 40 hours a week. They work with the Veterans with PTSD. Also they take care of those with amputations. they are not allowed to speak to anyone. be respectful but their voices shall not be heard. Also for the next 12 months they attend every Military Funeral with in 100 miles of their home giving their apologies and thanks to the families and again not allowed to speak except to apologize. maybe just maybe after watching the pain caused from the sacrifice of others they will understand.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Wow. A run to the bazaar and this thing exploded! She is such a nit-wit. The moral of the story here is that things on posted on the internet stay on the internet and are seen and judged by others. If you don’t want to be seen as a jack-ass, don’t do jack-ass things like disrespecting Arlington National Cemetery.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:06 am
No, PFDRbrendan.
If you don’t want to be SEEN as a jackass, then DON’T BE A JACkASS.
Karmic law is simple: the energy from EVERYTHING that you do goes out into the universe and comes back to land on you nine times over. Everything you do has consequences. If, as someone pointed out, she was on a company-sponsored trip, her employer should let her know the consequences right away.
And if the troll defending this very crude and ill-mannered overgrown child doesn’t understand what the consequences are for something like this, employers search the internet before hiring someone to see how people act and what they do when they aren’t at work. This kind of behavior can not only get you fired, especially from the establishment where she now(?) works, it can and does make it difficult for the person doing it to get another job.
Since it has gone viral on the internet and few, if any, people are supporting her, her compaint that it was a ‘harmles’ prank and she’s had ‘enough’ is what comes out of the mouth of a 10-year-old kid who tied cans to the dog’s tail and chased him with a BB gun, laughing about it.
If she’s complaining about the reactions from people who don’t even “know” her, as I said elsewhere, “Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.”
November 20th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Isn’t TSO from Mass? Dang…
November 20th, 2012 at 11:09 am
One last thing: seeing this picture again really makes me understand the benefits of smacking your kids on the behind when they misbehave.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:15 am
@ 250 … you are nuts!
November 20th, 2012 at 11:25 am
@278. Nice speech. Now, would you point out for my edification where those threats are. There are far too many comments now for me to review each.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:28 am
@ 284 … No … I am nuts .. how did I get dragged in to this mess?
November 20th, 2012 at 11:39 am
She says “OBVIOUSLY we meant no disrespect”
It isn’t OBVIOUS to anyone but you bitch.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Jamie Schuh took the pic (Schuh, Jamie – Director of SIL, Hyannis…….508-418-5659 jamie@lifecapecod.org) Lyndsey Stone is the douche in it (Stone, Lindsey – Case/Money Manager at Hyannis……508-418-5668 lstone@lifecapecod.org) Exec Director – feel free to call and email at will (Enochs, Diane – Executive Director…… 508-418-5665/5684 diane@lifecapecod.org
November 20th, 2012 at 11:40 am
I just posted this on all of the Likes that “LIFE” has on their Facebook Page, Check out the first comment on one of the sites:
Massachusetts Developmental Disabilities Council
24 minutes ago ·
I just wanted to let you know that, LIFE- Living Independently Forever; have you added to their likes on Facebook.
A representative / Manager for this organization, Lindsey Stone, while on a company trip to Washington D.C., decided to show her opinion of our fallen soldiers at Arlington National Cemetery. “LIFE”, had posted that it would be issuing an apology for the behavior this morning. They have yet to do so. It appears that over 6,000 (and rising) are waiting for this apology as well as their comment on what corrective action they will be taking towards Miss Stone. I inform you of this because you show up on their Facebook page and I for one would hate to be associated with this NPO at this time. I trust that you would not either! If you agree, as I do, that the behavior of Miss Stone is unacceptable, please contact LIFE and ask them to remove you from their likes. Thank you for your consideration in this matter.
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Teri Lynne Sabin likes this.
Teri Lynne Sabin Also the person taking the picture was Jamie Schuh also in management for this company. I am concerned for the care the clients receive at this company.
I also included the picture as well, Phase two is under way and the heat was turned up! Maybe we will get a response now!
November 20th, 2012 at 11:51 am
It looks like the posts are coming from the special education community now and locals! Keep the pressure on!
November 20th, 2012 at 11:52 am
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WHAT THIS COUNTRY IS BUILT ON IS THE SACRIFICE OF SOLDIERS:
Thank you for your service, I do not advocate violence since the aftermath of what I personally witnessed after the gulf war, though I fought for her right to be wrong, I feel that her only being caught is what is making her regret her actions, it was suggestd to me that in one posting that I didnt want to make her lose her job by a fello
w veteran, no it is not the purpose of her to lose her job but to make her understand what the sacrifices that we witnessed during before and after the war and what it entails not only for us but also for our families. This hallowed ground where she made this very defecating pose is righteously apalling but if she were made to understand what the veterans who have survived and personally witness what the surviving families of fallen soldiers experience is more teaching than anything negative said or done. GOD BLESS
November 20th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Does the troll’s posts come from the same IP address as Stumpy Joe?
November 20th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
The two employees from LIFE, who have implicated in the photo, have been placed on “leave” as per LIFE receptionist who answered at 1108.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
She’s an idiot. She states that she was just breaking the rules like she did the night before by smoking beside a no smoking sign. She really is stupid as there is no comparison between the two. If she is direct care staff I would most definitely reconsider her employment because, if she can do this and have it posted on Facebook, can you just imagine what she’s doing to/with the clients that she’s supposedly taking care of
November 20th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
@289. They first called their lawyers, no dobt, and are reviewing the potential ramifications of issuing an apology. I expect that they will be advised NOT to apolgize, that she should be canned, and that a statement to the effect that “Ms. Stone is no longer an employee here” will be posted.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Twist: no, it’s not Stumpy-boy.
On a related note: I always wondered if Stumpy-boy got his nickname because he used to date Lorena Bobbitt . . . .
November 20th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
I have been contacting the business contacts of LIFE, since they have been dragging their feet on this. Here is a comment back from one of them:
Cape Abilities: What a shame. We checked LIFE’s page and the organization does plan to issue an apology for their employee’s disgraceful behavior, which they do not condone. How sad that her actions reflect badly on an organization that does so much good; that is unfair.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
I changed my user name from Signal Soldier to the new one. I see they posted my picture on Members Gallery, that way I am more identifiable.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Whoa Whoa Whoa…
This is just us, kicking you in the proverbial balls for being a douche bag.
Enjoy.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Holy shit! This is what I get for not checking in last night! This thread became a freak show!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Yeah! It got pretty bad!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
As the saying goes, Respect is Earned, and every single Service Member that is a permanent resident of Arrlington has without a doubt earned that Respect. Arrlington is not a playground, not a place to look for Photo OPs, not a platform to demonstrate your political views, social problems, or failed up-bringing.
The Residents of Arrlington have given more than Ms. Stone can comprehend, she will feel some pressure, humility and embarassment, maybe even hurt her in the purse, but it is pale in comparrison to the sacrifice of those that she thought she could use for her idea of `Pushing the Envelope ´.
You Reap what you Sow, enjoy the fruits of your mistakes.
Somehow I think this will be long lasting.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
LIFE- Living Independently Forever
4 minutes ago
On Nov. 19 at approximately 6 p.m., we became aware that one of our employees had posted an offensive, inappropriate photograph on her personal Facebook page. The photo was taken at a national historic site in October by a fellow employee during a trip to Washington, D.C. attended by 40 residents and eight staff. The photo has since been removed from Facebook, and both employees have been placed on unpaid leave pending the results of an internal investigation.
This photograph in no way reflects the opinions or values of the LIFE organization, which holds our nation’s veterans in the highest regard. We are proud to have veterans serving on our staff and board of trustees, and we value their service. The men and women who have selflessly fought and sacrificed their lives to protect the rights and lives of Americans deserve our utmost respect and gratitude. We are acutely aware that this photo has done a disservice to veterans and we are deeply saddened that it was taken and shared in a public medium.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
300!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
She deserve to be in a country where is only goverment law,
we serve to protect what she is enjoing freedom,hope she can be punish by giving her the cold shoulder,not talking to her not even looking at her,ignore her in every posible way,so will feel that was wrong she what have done.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
How proud must those fallen soldiers be, of those that try to ruin the life of two people who did nothing else then make a mistake. Two, who believed that they lived in the land of the free. There is still so much hate in this country, that if I, were one of those fallen soldiers, would be ashamed of you all.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Strange how the comments at Life went from almost 10,000 to 258 instantaneously.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
What a poor excuse of an American. There is an extent to what’s really a funny joke or what’s really disrespectful. You may say you meant no disrespect but those are obviously lies. Everything must be a joke to you, huh? How old is this woman anyway? To be acting like that. What makes you believe that you deserve freedom that many had died for? Absolutely an awful human being and I am sure your family is proud to have raised such a “lady”. You are a disgrace. Along with the person who had the audacity of taking that photo. Photographer is also at fault.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
307 @anon. It was not about ruining their lives, it was about honoring our fallen. She posted this right before Veterans Day. Had you seen the original posts, (that have now been removed), you would have seen many of her friends asking her to remove it because it was offensive and disrespectful! She refused. She got herself fired, not us. We only exercised our right of free speech just like her! As for my part in her removal, I will loose no sleep over it!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
@anon, Land of the free does not mean free from consequences for your bone headed actions.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Looks like it’s picking up steam… CBS Boston just picked up on the story:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/11/20/facebook-photo-of-plymouth-woman-at-tomb-of-the-unknowns-sparks-outrage/
November 20th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
@309; People do not need an excuse to be a bad or good American, we have the freedom because we are Americans. Given to us the most by who she disrepscted the most, but that is the beauty of this country, and the sadness of her actions. All of those Heros would have just told her to shut the Fuck up and kick her ass, and that is the only way she would have the guts do those actions in such a place. Where she thought they could not fight back.
@310 Punishment would have been good, and I am all for punishing her, but getting her fired looks more like revenge. I live in her same home town, I do not know her though, but she was going to know me. Now what is the point, she will never respect anyone of this community because she was told and taught that she has those freedoms becasue of the military, who just bullied her and her employer into the loss of her job. Do you know if she is a single mother who is the sole source of food for young kids, or helps provide for an ederly parent. She was not the enemy, just a simple American Jerk.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
anon (307): Don’t you feel a touch hypocritical posting that vom Deutchland? Wie ist das Wetter in Bremen heute?
The two twits involved were completely free to engage in their idiotic behavior. They indeed exercised their Constitutional right to act like fools. No governmental agency interfered with them, nor did any level of government punish them. That is what the First Amendment forbids: unnecessary governmental interference with freedom of expression.
That’s unlike Germany, where speech and expression can indeed be restricted by the government. Just try walking around in Bremen wearing a swastika armband or handing out copies of Mein Kampf on the streets.
However, private industry is not regulated by the First Amendment. These two idiots just found that out the hard way.
Moreover, freedom of speech also applies equally to those who are outraged by these two idiots’ behavior. So how about you can that “I’m so ashamed” false argument. It wasn’t the government that slam-dunked these two idiots; it was other Americans, exercising their own Constitutional right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech works both ways; it applies equally to ideas with which you agree and ideas with which you don’t.
Finally, freedom of expression does not imply freedom from any consequences of speaking one’s mind or acting like an idiot. If your boss is upset by what you said or did away from work, you can indeed get fired for what you said or did. That is not a First Amendment issue; it’s the predictable result of being stupid.
Perhaps you’ve simply been in Germany too long to remember what the Constitution does – and does not – permit and prohibit.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
“How proud must those fallen soldiers be…” You could have stopped right there, girlie. Doubtless, the Fallen and their families are proud that their brothers and sisters speak for those whose voices are now silent. No one has suggested she does not have the legal right to her irreverent and callous tomfoolery. That right was paid for and is sustained by those for whom she showed abject disdain. But, as others here have said, that freedom of expression business runs two ways. She now reaps the lawful consequences of her actions.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
KP32 LIFE deleted the post with over 10,000 comments. Don’t ask me why. This is her FB Page http://www.facebook.com/menohoy and here is where she was working when her manager took the picture http://www.facebook.com/LIFECapeCod
November 20th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Life is not happy that this was share with the media. DUH, who then should it have been shared with LIFE? Unpaid leave, internal investigation, and what will the net result be? A compnay sponsored trip … the result should be an immediate dismisal of the employees. Period!
November 20th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
MCPO NYC USN (Ret.): my guess is that the unpaid leave/internal investigation was suggested by LIFE’s lawyers. Summary dismissal might have left the two twits grounds to sue LIFE for wrongful termination. If the company conducts and investigation first before firing them, LIFE is probably on much firmer ground if they opt for termination for cause.
Edited to add: MA is also an “implied contact” employment state. This may impose a de facto requirement for LIFE to investigate questionable conduct before terminating an employee for cause.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
@ 307 … Qulaifier # 1. Did YOU ever serve? Qualifier # 2 # 2. How dare you ask, “how proud must those fallen soldiers be?” Please explain that question to ME. What line of reasoning are you attempting to articulate?
November 20th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Rog that Hondo … can’t make this sh*t up!
November 20th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
@313 I could not care if we earn her respect. There are consequences for actions. She was asked right before veterans day to remove them, she refused. She was not ambushed. The veteran community didn’t find her, she found us! It is her that got herself fired, not us! Again, I am proud of my brothers.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
TAH Admin can we scrub this post?
I had nothing to do with those comments!
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NSOM Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 3:20 am
November 20th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
@313. “but getting her fired looks more like revenge.” Okay, it LOOKS like revenge. Assuming it smells, feels, and sounds like revenge, too, so what? This isn’t the Knights of Columbus here, pal. If she loses her job as a consequence of her imbecility, well, gee, that’s just too bad.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
@323: Provided she’s good at her job, I don’t want her to lose it, either – I’d rather she keep it, and for people to know she’s there and hold her accountable rather than for her to vanish, collect unemployment, and boil over with anger over all this.
She’s already in a world of hurt; some good coming out of this would be welcome. Have her volunteer with the VA, run a care package drive for soldiers overseas, and every day write up something on Facebook about a soldier who lost their life. Something like that is far better than having her lose her job.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
@321 So now you are the spokeman for all of us. I agree that there are consequences for actions, but you do not use a 155 to kill a fly on the side of your house. What better advocate or fighter for our cause would have she been if converted. Leadership is not always about kicking people in the nuts, and extremism no matter for what side is wrong. She did not walk into her place of work and say fire me because I was an asshole at Arlington National, so accept your consequences of pushing that envelope open. The punishment most certainly does not fit the crime, it was overkill.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Anyone saying this is “Freedom of Speech” and humor gone awry, say that to my cousins face who is now fighting so stupid bitches like this can have the freedom to do this! Or to my Grandfather who was scarred for life when a charge blew apart his ship and he got shrapnel in his face! Yet he still went on to fight in Vietnam and Korea! Anyone who thinks this is in anyway funny is disgusting, and exactly what is wrong with this country. These are dead men and women who fought so you people can have the rights to be the assholes that you are. You are pathetic, undeserving, and a waste of humanity. This is not about differences in opinion its about respect for people who paid a far bigger price than this POS ever will. I’m sure this turd on the shoe of all that is decent, wouldn’t even have the balls to face the things these people did. The idea that this idea even popped into her moronic little head shows her lack of morals and basic human decency. What a useless pig.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Actually, where were her “clients”, “patients” or “residents” when this was happening?
Were they supervised?
That in itself should be a termination offense given the unique capabilities and need for specialized attention of such individuals in a very crowded, public environment.
I hope LIFE takes that into consideration when cotemplating their decision(s).
November 20th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
In my own case, I want to say to all vets and current service people whom are reading this page, “I am proud of all of you. Your sacrifices are not forgotten. You are the best America has to offer, and I thank heaven every day that such brave personages such as yourselves are working to keep me free. From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU ALL!”
November 20th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
@325. No, I did not appoint myself spokesman for all here. I did, however, point out the obvious, that this is a milblog, not the Knights of Columbus or, for that matter, a website run by the Little Sisters of the Poor. How does that make me a spokesman? As for your overkill argument, you made it, I rebuffed it, and that should be that. What else is there but to acknowledge that your view and mine are not one?
November 20th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
@321 Was a posting by Somali Vet SPC Hall. That is who I was responding to.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
CBSenior: I dunno if I agree that getting fired is necessarily “overkill”. This seems quite a bit worse to me than showing up late for work a few times or cursing. In some jobs those are offenses that get people canned.
The story has hit the local CBS affiliate (see link in 312 above). The lady and her twit companion therefore just caused her employer – directly or indirectly – to get a huge chunk of bad publicity. That could well impact their bottom line for quite a while.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
CBSENIOR, the punishment most certainly fit the crime. And obviously there is no converting a self professed “douchebag”. This girl wanted attention and she got it. Actions have consequences. If we can save one other institution or memorandum, or person from this waste of human fleshes idea of “fighting the law” than our job is done. I don’t want this on my side, I want it thinking twice before it is dumb/ignorant enough to do it again. Jeez I wonder if she has pissed on Plymouth rock? After all, didn’t they fight the king and run because they were crybabies about not getting their own religious freedom? (I am a decedent of Edward Doty of the Mayflower, I have heard people call the Pilgrims this and more. Usually snot nosed little itches though.) Or what they heck does she do to disabled people? “Get up outta that chair you aren’t disabled!” These people do not have one defect they have many, the punishment was not severe enough!
November 20th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
@330. I don’t want to see you hammered. Your view is yours and that’s okay with me, at least.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Fuck you Lindsey Stone
November 20th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Luckily you are not in my town or I will fucking whoop your ass for disrespecting
The dead you douchebag whore
November 20th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Hondo, I guess I see the overkill in my eyes that people went after her job. I just feel that in my eyes we are bigger than these POS, tell them to fuck off and move along smartly taking care of each other. I know that is what is being done for our Heros. We do not know who is counting on her for food and shelter. There is big difference between stupidity and being malicious with intent. Those places you mention about being canned also have those options to fire you for their rules, did her employer get such option to cunduct their business as they see fit. Or were they pressured, we do not like it when the Democractic Underground employs the same tactics.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
I wonder how much Federal Funding LIFE gets?
Hmmm… let me go look that up
HK
November 20th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Air Cav do not worry bro, big shoulders. Not my first wind mill tilt, if you are not willing to risk your Anchors for troops or what you believe in, then you do not deserve them. Thanks, I am more than sure we will see eye to eye on most things. That is why we are here.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
@ #327 Bingo! If she claims that the residents did not observe the posing and taking of this pic, then who was assisting them? If she claims that the residents were never out of view, why was she subjecting them to at least one obscene gesture, and who knows what else, during the posing and taking of this pic?
Either way, she committed a discretion for which I would fire her, were she my employee, or for which I would fire the employer if I had a loved one who was subjected to the antics of this idiot.
Egads! I thought this was bad enough when it looked like the fool and her photog might have been there for a conferance or something. But this? They were being paid to assist their residents? Wow! They just provided clear evidence that they were not doing their jobs. Should be easy grounds for termination.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
CBSenior: free speech is a package deal, with both good and bad outcomes from time to time. It isn’t always pretty, and I don’t always like how it’s used.
But freedom of speech certainly beats the hell out of the alternatives I’ve seen. I’d argue strongly against restricting it any further than the law currently allows.
And if she ends up losing her job? As far as I’m concerned she can look in the mirror to see the person responsible.
Stupidity has consequences, and employment is not an entitlement.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
[...] photo remained relatively unnoticed (several of Stone’s friends reportedly called her out for her tastelessness) until last night, when Facebook blew up with buzz about what Stone had done. Today, Stone is [...]
November 20th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Speaking of free speech:
322MCPO NYC USN (Ret.) Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
TAH Admin can we scrub this post?
I had nothing to do with those comments!
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NSOM Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 3:20 am
November 20th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Hondo, for me this one just does not feel right, gut feeling. Did not like the way it unfolded and as to her, she is a fool and classless. I just kind of saw us sinking to her level. Me being a have to speak up kind of guy I did, besides most of a MILBLOG vs a Senior Chief = Fair Fight. Right Master Chief. Peace to all my Brothers.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
I am with the Senior Chief onthis one!
Wait … what did I just agree to.
It is generally all good amoung us here. Good argument is good.
It is almost beer up time here!
November 20th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
MCPO NYC USN (Ret.): see my comment 263. I’ve already scrubbed the false IDs from the offending comments and replaced them with that of the apparent perp, “Navy_Seals”.
“Shithead” would probably have been more accurate. But I’d have had to go back and change his original identity to do that, and I didn’t think changing his original persona was apropos even if the change would have been more accurate.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
“Locker” solidarity, MCPO? (smile)
November 20th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
“And now for something completely different”
At Gawker: http://gawker.com/5962189/should-this-woman-have-her-life-ruined-because-she-posted-a-stupid-photo-on-her-own-facebook-page
November 20th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
CBSenior: I can respect that opinion. In this case, I just don’t agree.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Hondo .. thanks … I am trying to track on this but sum times eye is not sow quik!
November 20th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Without a cohesive Goat Locker the ship would not operate. It would remain port or starboard side to the pier, moored forever, never to sail again!
Now, Senior Chief pour me a cup of Joe!
November 20th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Master Chief are in the Mess, becuase if we are I would pour you big cup of your legs are not broken.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Rog that .. Senior!
November 20th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
I’m with CBSenior on this one. Some of the threats and rantings about this picture are a little out of hand and it looks like a witch hunt. At this point, I think her employer has no choice but to fire her and, because she now has this hanging over her head, she might not find it too easy to get another job. So, does that mean that all of these comments and so forth have created one more member of the unemployed? Two, counting the photographer. (OTOH, I guess it also means the comments have created two job openings…)
Granted, the woman in question has proven that she is thoughtless, rude, silly, not funny, and, by not removing the FaceBook post a long time ago when her friends called her on it, she has also proven that she’s not overly bright. But all of us who have served in the military swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution, including that bit about free speech. I was never told that I would necessarily like or agree with the free speech and freedom of expression that I was defending, and I doubt anyone else was ever told that either.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
CSE CSC: This was a perfect example of freedom of speech/expression in action. Twit One and Twit Two exercised their rights to express an objectionable opinion, publicly and stupidly. Others disagreed, and subsequently exercised their freedom of expression, by bringing the Twit Twins’ idiocy to their employers’ attention. As a result, their idiocy may well cost the Twit Twins their jobs.
The government was not involved whatsoever in this matter. And I must point out that the US Constitution only prohibits unnecessary governmental infringement on free speech – e.g., “Congress shall make no law . . . .” Private individuals and employers are not covered by those restrictions. In particular, private employers may impose restrictions to permissible speech and actions as a condition of employment – and may impose sanctions for violating those conditions. Speak ill of your employer, or do something in public that brings your employer bad publicity, and you could well be toast.
As hard as it is for some people to “get”: a private-sector employer does in general have the right to fire you if you do something stupid, on or off the job, that reflects badly on your employer or violates their policies. The two twits in question are possibly about to find that out the hard way.
Actions have consequences. Freedom of speech does not mean there will never be consequences for speaking one’s mind.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Here is the Executive Director’s E-mail.
Diane Enochs, Executive Director
diane@lifecapecod.org
PASS IT AROUND.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
You’re all insane.
(name edited above to remove false identity and potentially malicious site reference)
November 20th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
@354: Hondo, yes, I agree that a company has every right to fire people for stupidity, etc., and that is right and good that companies can do that. I also agree that this whole thing has been an example of free speech in action. I was trying to make the point that some of the free speech might have gone a little too far. I was specifically thinking of the posts that I saw on the now apparently deleted FaceBook thread that were just plain out of bounds, not so much most of the posts here on TAH (except for that whole weird fake name thing that was going on, those were incomprehensible.)
Just because someone has the right to say something, either face to face or on the internet, doesn’t necessarily make it a good idea to say it. (Much like taking a stupid picture of one’s self throwing the bird at Arlington isn’t a good idea, even if one has the right to do so.) Maybe that’s a better way of saying what I’m trying to get across. For instance, even here on TAH, there are the edited posts where her (possible) home address was deleted. Those are the sorts of posts that go too far, and good on TAH for taking care of those posts.
My point is that if her employer is going to fire her, they should do so because she violated company policy and because of her idiotic acts, etc, not because a bunch of people on the internet are going to fill the company’s inboxes full of outrageous hate mail and choke the Facebook comments with death threats and name calling. That way, in the end, if she gets her silly ass fired, she only has herself to blame. Does that make sense?
November 20th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
With all the discussion of free speech, and appropriate snorts from the Goat Locker, think there is something missing.
Ms. Stone likely violated her contract. Usually one finds an extremely legal-sounding clause that says an employee may not embarrass the company, or violate a morals clause. Violators of these clauses are subject to termination.
Ms. Stone’s poor judgement (at best) demonstrates she is not willing to “…enable [LIFE] residents to achieve their maximum capabilities with a nurturing and caring environment.” (http://www.lifecapecod.org/)
If you break the rules about smoking in a no-smoking area when you’re away from work, will she also break the rules while she’s at work? A stray spark around some of those gas bottles some residents require for life support and now you’ve got a lot of dead carcasses-formerly-known-as-residents laying about.
And, if you’re flipping the bird at the dead, what wouldn’t you do to the living when one’s supervisor isn’t present?
What company wants to employ a wannabe Nurse Ratchit?
She should have stuck to blaming Johnson and the war, and the Progosphere would have given her a pass.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
More bleating from the Goat Locker.
Quick! Get him a recruiting brochure for the Marines! stat!
November 20th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Someone columnist on Careers.com made the valid point that whatever you post on social websites like Facebook and Twitter sticks with you, and that employers do look at your Facebook and Twitter pages (if you have them) to find out what kind of person you are in a public setting.
What you post there can literally kill off any job prospects or destroy what you may already have. It is no different from being photographed at an office party, dancing drunk on your backside with your shirt off. And yes, if you are already employed, it can very well take you out of the lineup for promotions and more responsibility, and damage or destroy whatever career plans/prospects you might have. It’s not a joke, it is a fact.
In this digital age, once something is published on the internet, it gets copied over and over again and NEVER GOES AWAY. If it’s good stuff, it works in your favor. If it’s brain-dead stupid like this, you will NEVER LIVE IT DOWN. It’s going to follow her around for the rest of her life.
Ms. Stone will be, for a very long time, the very stupid young woman who let the entire world know, in her own words, that she is a social moron, she can’t be trusted, and she has no respect for rules or regard for other people’s feelings. She has made it blatantly clear that she just does not give a crap about anything, especially if she can get a picture of herself demonstrating her low opinion.
Eddie Murphy in “Raw” is funny as hell. Ms. Stone in her self-portrait is not.
I wouldn’t hire her to take out the trash. I don’t think she could be trusted to do it without leaving half of it behind, and she’d complain about the half she had to clean up — meaning doing the job twice.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
And you boys with comparison issues — don’t get me started.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Have you guys seen the level of hate this has generated? People have lost their goddamn minds. They have posted her personal info all over FB. one page is offering a free beer mug for her personal info. they have driven by her house, they have emailed her boss and her friends and neighbors. Most of the comments on the various non governmental military pages are over the top, one guy says she should be sent to Egypt and raped, most of the other actively call for her death or beating. I have been in the Navy then Army for 18 years and i have seen Soldiers and Sailors do more despicable things than this, and i know most of you have too. If one of my Soldiers did this i would hem them up good because they are a Soldier and should know better. She is basically just a kid. She is just trying to be funny in a moronic way about the SIGN not about Arlington. Why has everyone rounded up a lynch mob for a stupid young woman, who has no other anti military stuff on her FB page. WTF, are we getting to the point that silly pictures like this are enough to ruin someone’s life? Is this really Westboro Baptist Church level desecration? In the future, think about how this young woman’s life is ruined for at least the next six months and maybe in danger; due to her acting like we all have done at one point or another drunk or sober, like a dipshit. I used to love this blog and stayed up way too late some nights reading everything on it, but geez guys. I repeat, because of this her personal info, home address is on Army WTF Moments, Stolen Valor and a couple of other sites, and she has lost her job.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
This is why we can’t have nice things, people.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
@372…
was that your debut, or are you a veteran of those kinds of movies?
I’m guessing you’re a pro.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
@371, she is NOT JUST A KID. Where do you get that? She’s a grown woman working in a facility for people who require assisted care and constant supervision, people who have a lot of physical and other challenges. What part of that do you not get?
If your mother were in that facility, would you really want someone this irresponsible anywhere near her?
She’s done this before, according to other reports. What makes you think it’s okay for anyone who is physically adult to act like a 12-year-old spoiled brat?
She brought this public anger on herself. What part of that do you not understand?
November 20th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
@371 I am sorry no woman is a kid at age 30. I agree no one should post her personal information. If she were my employee I would have fired her for such a disrespectful action on company time. She needs to accept responsibilty for her disrespectful behavior. There are consquences with actions. She and her friend have no one to blame but themselves. And one of the lessons should be stay off social media….It can bite you and effect long term relationships and future employment.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
359, 360, 361, 362, 363, 365, 368, 369 – don’t have enough to do, huh? How about chipping some paint off the bulkheads where you are? How about making them there vinyl floor tiles shine? How about you morons get a life?
I’m going to the club. And none of you can come with me. Geez, I’d rather lose a poker game for beer with Squirrel than spend one more second of my time in this room with you bunch of maroons. Get your own damn coffee from now on!
What a bunch of pissants…..
November 20th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
@377 But your missing the point she was not on her own time. I read above she had her residents with her. Even if she had personal time she was on company money. I will repeat if she were my employee she would be fired. As an employer how could you trust her if she is so willing be blantly offensive to such a Important Location that means so much too so many of us? She showed a lack of maturity and personal dignity. I would fire her.. No question
November 20th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
#367, Those were all troll comments from the same troll. He’s been dealt with.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
@313
getting her fired looks more like revenge.
What’s wrong with that? This country just had an election two weeks ago, and the incumbent President during his reelection campaign told people to vote for “revenge”.
So, I guess not going after revenge has got to be unamerican or racist or something.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Lindsey Stone is exhibit – A,
as to what is wrong with this country now.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Let the group outrage stand as a stark reminder to any future douchebags of what not to do.
In fact, she has provided a very valuable service to the douchebag community.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
It’s her protected Constitutional Right to do this – however, it is also our protected Constitutional Right to call her an Idiot.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
So she works for a company that provides help to people with mental disabilities. Doing what she did would be the equivalent of someone walking into her office and screaming RETARD! Samething Ms. Stone samething.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Note: due to troll infestation, please disregard my comment @367 above, except for the part about going to the club.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
@370 You really do not know me at all do you. I see that quote by the President has not effected you in the least.
@359 Dave O Jealousy is an ugly thing, I know just being handed stripes and kissed on the lips for a major promotion has a lasting effect. We can walk you off the chest thumping ledge if you need help.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
#376 CBSenior,
No jealousy here. Especially of SeaBees. Y’all make mighty fine sh*tters. Best ones I’ve ever used. Kohler should be so proud. I rate them 1 star.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Dave O why thank you, and you even spelled SeaBees correctly. Here I was worried that no one noticed all the FOBs, COPs, Main Bases and thousands of miles of roads we worked on. Of course doing lots of Convoy Security for the MEF was the easy part.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
I hope her parents are proud. She did not only disrespect all those serving and those that have died in the middle east.. but in the 1st world war 2nd world war, korean war and Viet Nam. She should go and live with Jane Fonda after her parents disown her. I can not imagine one American family that did not suffer or know someone that suffered the loss of a loved one in all the wars The USA fought in. I am Canadian and I lost two friends in Viet Nam. Yes go join the Jane Fonda camp.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Wowzers! Lots of effort over some worthless scrunt who will probably never understand real sacrifice.
Everyone participating on this thread had something to say. Whether we agreed or disagreed, it was good to air the opinions and emotions generated by Ms. Stone’s thoughtless act. However, think this dead horse has been beaten enough?
Allow karma to complete Ms. Stone’s payback.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Well, more than likely, Lindsey Stone, no relation to Hack, is now part of the unemployed. I think it would be beneficial for us to now take the high road and offer her some career advice. Well, she likes working with the mentally challenged, enjoys disrupting military ceremonies, loves to challenge authority, and has an unwarranted feeling of superiority. Maybe she can be appointed the activities director for Code Pink. Speaking of Code Pink, did they ever make it back from their drone protest in Pakistan a few months back?
November 20th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Here is an article from Careerbuilder.com about the effects of social networking on the workplace:
http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/careerbytes/CBArticle.aspx?articleID=1702
November 20th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
@382 was just in case anyone thinks I was kidding about what I posted in @360 above.
Bad behavior can get you fired and also not hired or rehired.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Lindsey…Do you like take lessons from Jane Hanoi Fonda?
November 21st, 2012 at 1:01 am
I see no point as to why your ass was not made
to.leave …. You are what you eat and dish out …
November 21st, 2012 at 8:05 am
Her father will be appearing on the Today Show in a few minutes. Matt Lauer just played the teaser. I am expecting the standard “Poor judgment on her part, we have always supported the military, her grandfather served in WWII, blah, blah, blah…..” It looks like I will be leaving for work a few minutes later than planned. I just hope that they don’t drag it out past 07:30.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:22 am
I have already lost several “friends” over this, as I have had the audacity to not defend her actions but to speak out against the outlandish and over the top reaction to that picture.
A. It was not her INTENT to insult anyone living, dead or Arlington itself.. that happened of course but was not her intent. Kind of like running someone over in your car because you weren’t paying attention to where you were. not quite the same as killing someone intentionally though. End result is the same, but the law treats it differently for a reason… that Intent thing most have ignored here.
B. She has had her life threatened, had people drive by her house to harass her, call her house to harass her, had her removed from her job after harassing her there as well as her employer,
C. Her name and image have been dragged through the mud by people who have no clue what happened other than they have been told she is the second coming of Hanoi Jane, that this was an intentional insult to our Military and our Fallen. That she intentionally posted this and kept it out there…. it was not in her pictures that I know of it was in the person who took the pictures photos on facebook.
People say her apology was “not enough” or not sincere enough because she called herself a douche bag… She was talking to her friends, not us. I doubt she ever expected that photo or her words to he4r friends to go out there like this.
Honestly, what she did was stupid and deserving of a verbal reprimand, but the Lynch Mob went way too far on this. The punishment does not come close to fitting the crime as the INTENT was never ever there. I have seen her stupidity compared to that of those who intentionally pretend to be in the Military… WTF?? Not even close. A stupid and immature photo with zero intent to injure anyone is not the same. This is not the same as Hanoi Jane by any measure either.
Anyhow, to all those who actively harassed, threatened, went after this person in any way shape or form… Good job guys!! You got the evil bitch huh? Seriously, throw yourselves a party.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:32 am
My understanding of the term pushing the envelope must be in error if doing something to push the envelope does not include an intent to insult.
Intent? Uhm, it was exactly her intent to insult!
November 21st, 2012 at 8:44 am
Listen … she got what she deserved. Period. As the saying goes, “play stupid games … ah … get idiot rewards”. The death threats and the like are not right and need to stop!
November 21st, 2012 at 8:44 am
@388 and on what proof do you base your assertion that she “intended to insult”? Is it a statement she made to that effect? Eyewitness testimony of people there who heard her make statements to that effect? Seriously, what are you basing your conclusion that she fully intended to insult the Fallen of this Nation? That this was nothing more than a very poor lapse in judgment in the choice of location for her photo?
I will go on the fact that she immediately apologized to her friends over a month ago, long before anyone of us knew about the photo or her ver existence.
So please tell me how this kid deserves to have her liffe threatened and ruined… Come on I am waiting for the evicence of her crime you have convicted her of. A photo itself does not prove intent, it only proves an action took place. Tell me how you know her intent…
November 21st, 2012 at 8:49 am
RB–this dumb twat decided to piss off EVERYONE. Smoking under “No Smoking” signs. Flipping off and being disrespectful at the entrance to the military’s (hell, America’s) most hallowed grounds. Not taking it down when her friends told her that it was offensive and that she should not keep it up. I’d say that’s pretty much the definition of intentional.
Two words: Attention whore. Well, she got it.
And while I don’t condone the threats, I certainly don’t feel sorry for all the derision heaped upon her as long as it doesn’t turn violent against her, her loved ones, or God forbid, innocents caught in the crossfire.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:51 am
@ CB: I love the SeeBeas!
Just a thought: I wonder how the parents of a young warrior would have felt, if on the day they buried their child at Arlington, they stumbled upon that stunt that was not intended to insult.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:53 am
Seeing as she was on a company-sponsored event, I think she should be fired for bringing negative publicity to her employer and for not properly performing her responsibilities regarding her LIFE clients. First Amend rights, IMO, have nothing to do with this.
Once you’ve been seperated from your current employeer, Ms. Stone may fully exercise her concept of free speech anytime, anywhere.
I hope this was a learning moment for her and her cohort and the the effects follow her forever. I know poor decisions I’ve made continue to follow me.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:59 am
@391.. She deserves a verbal beatdown for being stupid, ignorant, and innapropriate. It does not rise to the level of what has been heaped upon her. The INTENT was not there that has been ascribed to her actions here and elsewhere.
She was not doing it intentionally to insult or degrade in any way shape or form the US Military or our Fallen.
It is completely dishonest for anyone to continue to say that is what she was doing. It is completely reprehensible to me that people would take it to the level that they have.
It gives me so little faith in this Nation and our Soceity where we so easily allow something to be turned into something entirely different than what it was, detroy someons life over it, and think we are doing the right thing??
This could very easily happen to someone anyone of us knows. The situation could be different, but a photogrpah out of context can be a powerful thing. Especially with how fast things go “viral” today…
No, she did not get what she deserved. Making her famous.. group think at its finest on display. Be careful what you post folks, because someone somewhere will take it wrong.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:07 am
rb325th: here’s the definition of “pushing the envelope”
push (the edge of) the envelope
to move beyond the limit of what has usually been done or was the accepted standard TV shows are really pushing the envelope by showing so much sex and violence.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/push+the+envelope
When used in a social setting, inherent in this definition is explicit intent to cause raised eyebrows; to shock; or to offend. Doing so often causes insult, whether or not insult was the intended result.
Serrano’s “Piss Christ” is an example; ditto Mapplethorpe’s famous bullwhip photo. Those two didn’t give a damn who might be offended by their “art”. Stone was doing exactly the same thing without the requisite artistic skill – though some might say she’s at least as skilled as Serrano, and that the only skill involved in Mapplethorpe’s bullwhip photo was in setting the timer on the camera.
Death threats and harassing phone-calls/drive-by visits to her residence are indeed IMO going way too far. But getting her the public attention she so desperately seemed to crave? Apropos IMO. Ditto bringing this display of poor judgement to the attention of her employer, who apparently was paying her to work at the time.
“Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.” That’s especially true if you’re stupid enough to have someone photograph you doing so, then personally post the incriminating photo on the Internet.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:09 am
RB…I just came across this. Might want to read it. Says it far better than could I.
http://www.waaf.com/Why-you-don-t-joke-around-at-Arlington-National-Cemetery-/11280151?pid=279899
Like I said–she did it for attention. Well, now she has it. She could have either been famous or notorious, but for one bad choice she’s going to be the latter for a long, long time.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:25 am
@ 396 Sparky … Great article out of Bean Town’s WAAF you referenced. “Dumbest person in the world” … ouch!
November 21st, 2012 at 9:25 am
397 —> MCPO
November 21st, 2012 at 9:50 am
@RB325 – Apparently, you do not fully comprehend the power of the internet in regard to applying for jobs and getting hired.
This statement from comment #396 says exactly what I’ve said previously:
“This photo will follow her for the rest of her life. Every time she applies for a job, or applies for a loan it will come up. When her kids Google their Mom, that will be the first picture they see. Her name will be remembered, and she’ll be treated differently by anyone who remembers… forever.”
That photo, no matter what her intent was or what her disclaimer is now or has been, will follow her for the rest of her life. Period. Any employer who sees something like that online, taken during a company-sponsored outing, which she was paid to attend and supervise people who require monitoring — EVERY EMPLOYER EVERYWHERE will see that image, no matter where it is now or in the future, and turn her down for a job that has any career possibility.
What part of that do you NOT understand? I really want to know just how completely dense you are.
And quit defending her (yourself, Lindsey. Yeah, I know it’s you. It’s too obvious.) behavior.
Either you’re faking it or you are so completely dense that you refuse to understand plain English. Forever means exactly that. I said it, other writers said it. She did the damage herself. No one did it to her.
She has destroyed any possibility of getting any job other than maybe bussing tables in a greasy spoon diner or picking tomatoes and cutting celery as a migrant worker.
Oh, yeah –you’re stupid — bussing tables means clearing them of everything — all the dirty dishes, used flatware, glasses, grungy coffee cups, napkins and kleenex that people have sneezed into, spills and crumbs and half-eaten food — and guess what! Busboys don’t get tips unless the waitresses are feeling generous today.
What part of SHE DESTROYED HER OWN CAREER do you not understand?
And just what does RB stand for, anyway? Rat bastard? Royal bitch? Raging bully? Or is it “REALLY BRAIN-DEAD”?
Try to get this into that DORMANT ORGAN you have for a brain:
YOU SCREWED YOURSELF, LINDSEY. NOBODY DID THAT TO YOU. NOBODY MADE YOU POST THAT PHOTO. AND I DON’T GIVE A FLYING FART IN SPACE WHAT YOUR LAME EXCUSE IS. YOU SCREWED YOURSELF, YOU DUMB STUMP-SUCKING CLOWN.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:52 am
Today Show link: http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/49915220#49915220
November 21st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Ex-PH2: rb325th isn’t Stone. He’s been commenting here at TAH for quite a while (over a year).
And while I’m not sure what the “rb” stands for, I’m pretty sure the 325th part stands for “325th Infantry”. That particular unit has a rather distinguished history – 3 PUCs (Salerno, St Mere-Eglise, and Iraq) and 4 VUAs (all from Iraq). I’m guessing rb325th was assigned to that unit at one time.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:17 am
Sorry, Hondo. Mea culpa. I am a bit PO’d to see that anyone still doesn’t GET how stupid that very stupid young woman is about the long-term consequences of what she did.
I find it difficult to understand why people don’t GET what the internet does to your job prospects.
And I’m still angry, as if you can’t tell. I’ll go away now.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:50 am
Jesus taught us to forgive. That doesn’t mean there should not be consequences for bad judgement and blatant disrespect. Still, we should forgive and pray for her. She probably will be fired and she is definitely suffering the consequence of harsh public opinion (kill her? she should be raped with barbed wire? shot? burned? Seriously?) Sure, what she did is awful, but we should pray for her as we are told to pray for our enemies. Jesus taught this. Jesus. So, if you also are one to post about your righteousness, you may want give a thought to what that means. Pray for her. Forgive. I imagine she is suffering. I imagine we’ve all done some stupid, stupid stuff and hurt others. Pray for her. Forgive.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:55 am
Here is the Official apology from Lindsay Stone(One on the Picture), and Jamie Schuh(One that took the picture).
“We sincerely apologize for all the pain we have caused by posting the picture we took in Washington DC on Facebook. While posted on a public forum, the picture was intended only for our own amusement. We never meant any disrespect to any of the people nationwide who have served this country and defended our freedom so valiantly. It was meant merely as a visual pun, intending to depict the exact opposite of what the sign said, and had absolutely nothing to do with the location it was taken or the people represented there. We never meant to cause any harm or disrespect to anyone, particularly our men and women in uniform. We realize it was in incredibly poor taste, and are deeply sorry for the offense we have caused.
We also sincerely apologize to LIFE, Inc. It is an amazing organization that provides invaluable services to adults with learning and developmental disabilities. We are beyond remorseful that our actions have caused them such undue public scrutiny. The disrespect implied by our picture has nothing at all to do with LIFE’s mission statement or values. We regret having caused any suffering to the staff members, residents, families and friends.
Again, we very sincerely apologize to everyone who took offense to the photo. We realize that it was an ignorant and distasteful thing for us to do, but we truly meant no harm. We are deeply sorry.”
November 21st, 2012 at 10:57 am
HopewellKat: as I said elsewhere – from my perspective, forgiveness comes after a demonstration of both repentance and changed behavior. So far, I haven’t seen much evidence of either. And that includes their so called “apology” in the Boston Herald, which reads more to me like a cynical attempt at damage control vice actual contrition.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:03 am
The apology was written by a PR firm as confirmed by this office!
November 21st, 2012 at 11:14 am
The apology actually pissed me off again, this part in particular,
“While posted on a public forum, the picture was intended only for our own amusement.”
The next time she want’s to be amused, she should pick a group to insult that is less tenacious than veterans.
We should remember, many of her friends advised her to remove the pic that was posted just before Veterans Day, and she refused.
I also agree that the sincerity seems to be lacking in her apology.
November 21st, 2012 at 1:35 pm
the picture was intended only for our own amusement
Translation: You fuckers weren’t supposed to see this shit, and we’re only sorry you did.
November 21st, 2012 at 2:07 pm
@390: “and on what proof do you base your assertion that she “intended to insult”?”
Only responding to HER words that she was pushing the envelope. Now, in response to my query, what does that phrase mean (in this context) other than intending to insult at least some people?
“Is it a statement she made to that effect? Eyewitness testimony of people there who heard her make statements to that effect? Seriously, what are you basing your conclusion that she fully intended to insult the Fallen of this Nation?”
As previously stated, several times now, based upon HER statement about the intent of the pic, and other pics. And where exactly are you getting that whole bit about my conclusion? Figment of your imagination perhaps? And why are you ascribing it to me?
“That this was nothing more than a very poor lapse in judgment in the choice of location for her photo?”
Again, for umpteenth time, based on HER statements that she likes to “push the envelope” against authority blah, blah, blah. Still waiting for you to explain which part of that phrase I am misunderstanding.
“I will go on the fact that she immediately apologized to her friends over a month ago, long before anyone of us knew about the photo or her ver existence.”
Please furnish us a copy of that apology. All we have seen so far is quite the opposite – all we have seen is her refusal to apologize while she stubbornly left the offending pic posted. Was it over a month ago or do we only know that it was prior to Veterans Day?
“So please tell me how this kid deserves to have her liffe threatened and ruined… Come on I am waiting for the evicence of her crime you have convicted her of. A photo itself does not prove intent, it only proves an action took place. Tell me how you know her intent.”
What kid? This is a grown adult who is being paid to care for others. And where did I say that she deserves to have her liffe threatened?
I have no idea why you are even addressing your drivel toward me, but if you seriously want to do that, I suggest that you bring a much better example of your A-game than this.
November 21st, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Pushing the envelope? Seriously? Did you miss the fucking part where she said it was never her INTENT to dishonor or insult… You read between the lines and found what you wanted to see, so you can use it to justify your blood lust to see her destroyed.
Be careful what you post folks… be careful someone does not ever photograph you in public in an unflattering light, you can be the next one to be “made famous”… I hate that she did what she did where she did it, but you will not convince me she meant it as you want to believe she did. Too late for you to turn back the hatred now, it is all out there that she was/is Jane Fonda reborn… that she was doing it as a direct insult to the fallen, intentionally disrespecting them and all who have served. Too late to dial back the rhetoric…
no, you all live in your group think little fantasy to prove to yourselves that you did not go so much farther over the line by intentionally going out to destroy her over a stupid photgraph, that had none of the intent you thought it did on first glance.
November 21st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
rb325th: OK. I’m certain Serrano meant no disrespect to the Catholic Church – or Christians in general – by his work “Piss Christ” either, and was just trying to make an “artistic statement”.
My point? Lack of intent does not always erase or excuse inappropriate actions. A drunk driver virtually never intends to kill anyone. But when they do, they can indeed be prosecuted for (at a minimum) vehicular manslaughter if not negligent homicide. And in some jurisdictions, I believe they can be prosecuted for murder – just not premeditated murder, which does indeed require specific a priori intent.
Here, the lady sowed the wind. She – and possibly also her photographer accomplice – acted like an idiot. She was told the photo was inappropriate by her friends. Rather than remove it, she chose to leave it up for a month with a truly lame “no offense intended, just being a douchebag” disclaimer.
After a month, people noticed. She then, predictably, reaped the whirlwind.
Yeah, for her that sucks. Too bad. Sometimes life is tough when you’re really stupid.
November 21st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
“Did you miss the fucking part where she said it was never her INTENT to dishonor or insult”
Ok. If she didn’t mean to dishonor or insult…why did she leave it up? Her friends said it wasn’t cool, that it was disrespectful. She chose to leave it up anyway.
If I’m humming a song, and you say “hey, stop that, it’s annoying” and I continue to do so, it’s reasonable to assume that I intend to annoy you. If I hang a picture in a public space and you say “Hey, that picture makes me sad”, and I leave it there, it’s reasonable to assume that my intent is to make you sad.
She put up a picture in a public space. She was told it was disrespectful. She chose to leave it up anyway. Therefore, it’s reasonable to assume she meant to disrespect.
November 21st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
@ #410: So, was she lying when she said that she enjoys pushing the envelope? Or is it perhaps SHE who does not understand what the phrase means? Which is it?
Perhaps you, rb325th, need to understand that neither you nor I can appropriately respond to a complete stranger’s intent without making quite a few assumptions based upon nothing. I only responded to her actions and her words. You wanna play the guess her intent game, you can do it without me.
And just so you know, rb325th, some of us actually ARE already careful about what we post. It’s called being an adult and paying attention to detail.
Evidently you have nothing substantive to add to the conversation since in response to legitimate questions you resort to the use of words which her middle finger represented in the pic under discussion. Oh, well.
November 21st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Reportedly this is her page:
https://www.facebook.com/HireLindseyStone
Evidence offered as proof:
http://i46.tinypic.com/2uo74n7.png
Go read the vitriol she’s posted there and tell me how sorry she is. A little quote from the page:
“The soldiers current and ex on here are getting their camo knickers in a twist because they seem to deem themselves above all rebuke, as if they have some divine right to unconditional awe and reverence.”
Self-absorbed much?
November 21st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Nik: yeah, it would appear that Lindsey kinda blew her cover in the second link there by referring to herself in the first person.
Sock puppets ain’t cool, ‘lil Lindsey. Not even on your own site. And especially when they prove you’re a liar.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
@ Hondo: I think there’s a big difference between the ‘Piss Christ’ nonsense and this. Here, the picture was clearly mocking the SIGN, not the soldiers – hence the ‘yelling’ and ‘disrespect’ in contrast to the request for silence and respect.
That it happened at the Tomb is what makes it a hugely stupid thing, as opposed to merely someone being an ordinary idiot. The evidence we have indicates a desire to mock the sign, not the soldiers. Without additional evidence indicating an animosity towards soldiers, it’s a bit of a leap to assume she’s *intentionally* doing so.
Unintentionally? Hell yeah. And hence a justifiable uproar, to a degree. The ‘Piss Christ’ was intentional, no question.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Ok. I’ve seen the post where she outs herself with my own eyes. It’s here:
https://www.facebook.com/HireLindseyStone/posts/496764763689632?comment_id=5696594&offset=0&total_comments=41
So, in the interest of verification, I screenshotted it, in case she deletes it.
http://i50.tinypic.com/33nizyv.jpg
November 21st, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Intent does not matter. If she was only mocking the sign, it was still disrespectful to the fallen that are honored there! People need to understand, it is not as much about what she was meaning! It is about where she was doing it!
November 21st, 2012 at 3:52 pm
@47. She puts out her own eyes? Wow, I guess she really is sorry.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:54 pm
@418: Intent certainly matters. Or are you telling me if someone gets suddenly ill and incontinent and defecates on the steps at the Tomb they should be villified just as much as someone who intentionally does so?
It’s obviously not completely analogous as ‘intent’ is not a black and white situation as in the above in that she had AN intent, this wasn’t an accident, but her intent may not have been to dishonor the dead, even if in effect that’s how it’s been taken by many. Her intent was to be an idiotic jackass. Still not good, but not as bad as someone intentionally giving the finger to our fallen.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:58 pm
@414, 415, 417: Wow. I am now truly stunned. Color me incredulous. If that really is her with the Hire Lindsey Stone page and those comments about camo knickers and all that, well…her ignorance is apparently boundless and she has not learned one tiny lesson from the events of the past couple of days. (Yes, the first person post implies that she is writing that stuff, but to be fair there were posts on this very board yesterday that “looked” like other people posted them. So I will reserve judgement on that.)
November 21st, 2012 at 4:06 pm
@419
If she did that, THEN I would believe her.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Surely this is the longest string of comments about someone who wasn’t stealing valor. Isn’t it?
November 21st, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Anonymous: Certainly intent matters. But lack of intent is not equivalent to “no harm no foul”. Kill someone in an auto accident while speeding excessively or driving recklessly and you can still end up in jail for vehicular homicide. “Reckless disregard” is what I believe the legal theory justifying that is called.
Further, you might want to check out her “Hire Lindsey Stone” site (see links above). If the comments the site owner – which, based on comments identified in 417, does indeed appear to be Ms. Stone herself – makes are any indication, I don’t think you can discount the possibility that she did this with intent. She certainly seems to have a low opinion of the military.
And someone should tell her the military (well, the Army anyway) doesn’t issue “camouflage knickers” – just solid-color ones in white or sand. (smile)
November 21st, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Nik: dunno – I seem to remember that there was a 600+ comment string from 2009 on a largely political topic, but I may be wrong. And I can’t remember if that one started out as a SV string and got sidetracked or not.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:24 pm
CSE CSC: I think that “Hire Lindsey Stone” requires a Facebook or other login to leave a comment. Harder to forge comments if that’s the case. Don’t do most social media, so I can’t test that. Perhaps someone else can.
TAH doesn’t require a login, so forged comments can be an issue here when a dung-flinging monkey decides to show up.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:29 pm
@426
FB does require authentication. A user supplied email address and password.
Looking at the timing of the comments, the avatar made me pretty sure that it was her.
The ultimate test however, was clicking on the name “Hire Lindsey Stone”. That links right back to the page, showing that the account who started that page is the one who made that comment.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@424.
The Army’s tight brownies taught me to roll “commando”.
Much more field expedient and comfortable, I might add.
Oh, the bad memories…
November 21st, 2012 at 4:37 pm
@428
One less thing to put on in the morning. That’s HSLD right there.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Green Thumb: yeah, I remember the dark brown issue T-shirts and skivvies too. And I’ve seen OD ones as well, but I wasn’t quite old enough to get issued any of those.
Pretty sure the brown ones aren’t issued any more, though – just sand and white.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Actually they serve many utilitarian roles as well…
Rags for weapons cleaning kits, rags for cleaning the latrines, etc..
The funny thing, though, was when you would have to do those asnine layouts for schools, CI, etc.
Nobody had any because no one wore them except the “lifers” and “hard charging heros”.
Biggest scam in the Army as you then had to go purchase them from clothing and sales.
What a scam.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I wonder if “intent” would work for other potentially career ending utterances? Say, in a sexual harassment case? Or if one was caught telling really racist jokes? How many political figures have been ruined when they’re said or done something they didn’t ” intend to be taken that way”?
“Intend” is a poor excuse.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:09 pm
@432
Interesting point. If this was a Title X issue, nobody would care about intent, just that someone was offended.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:53 pm
@426: yes, Facebook requires authentication, but AFAIK that authentication is tied to nothing more than an e-mail address. So it can be anybody. If Facebook discovers that a user sets up multiple accounts, they shut down accounts. But I don’t know how vigilant Facebook is about finding multiple accounts. Not to mention that the community owner account called “Hire Lindsey Stone” is different than an individual user account. Exactly how, I do not know and I do not care enough to try to figure out.
So, if we don’t know for certain the person who set up the “Hire Lindsey Stone” community, we sorta don’t really know anything beyond a reasonable doubt.
I’m just playing devil’s advocate here. The first person usage in the post by the FB identity know as “Hire Lindsey Stone” is circumstantial evidence, but it says a lot to my ear. Thus, I have my own opinions about it, all I said is that I am reserving judgement.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:09 pm
If she’s a 30 year-old, maybe just maybe she should leave this douchebaggery to someone who can actually blame it on youth and stupidity? Ooh smoking next to a “no smoking” sign…real edgy. Real challenge to authority… Been done. A Lot. Get original and GROW THE F UP and realize that your actions have consequences and the internet is everywhere.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:11 pm
@434: I actually take the opposite view – the first person view in the FB identity of ‘Hire Lindsey Stone’ seems TOO obvious, and I’m guessing it’s a prankster / troll who is just trying to rile people up. Successfully.
There are millions of those people out there and one Lindsey Stone. After all this flak she’s getting, I doubt the first thing she’s going to do is go on, create a new FB profile about her, and start leaking identifying info.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Still on this subject?
Well, it’s now on the front page of MSN’s news section:
http://todaynews.today.com/_news/2012/11/21/15334703-arlington-cemetery-pic-sparks-outrage-calls-for-womans-firing?lite>1=43001
As I have said here and elsewhere, NEVER GONNA DIE.
I don’t know whether or note she started the “Hire Lindsey Stone” Facebook page, or had a hand in it. Whoever did it is definitely in the attention-seeking mindset there.
This entire episode has been based on childish behavior in a 30-year-old someone who seems to think it’s okay to act like she’s 11, and it backfired badly, right in her face. If that doesn’t demonstrate how easy it is for something to get completely out of hand, then what will?
IT’S NEVER GONNA DIE.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:28 pm
@436
You’re much more forgiving of the human race than I.
I can totally see a spoiled brat who thinks she hasn’t done anything wrong doing exactly what is believed by some in creating the “Hire Lindsey Stone” page.
Now I haven’t pawed through all the comments, but the speaking in first person bit doesn’t seem to be common. That leads me to believe it was an accidental slip.
Of course we’ll never reach a Sigma Six level of certainty. Hell, for all we know you could be Lindsey trying to throw us off the path. I doubt it, but the possibility exists.
Given the remarkable lack of judgment she’s show thus far, I don’t put logic at the top of her list of skills.
Logically, at minimum, she should keep her trap shut. She should try and keep people from defending her so society would move on to the next big thing.
Then again, logically, she should never have taken that picture. Barring that…
Logically she should never have posted on FB. Barring that…
Logically she should have marked it as “private”. Barring that…
Logically she should have taken it down when those around her were saying it was disrespectful.
So, while it’s not logical for her to make an anonymous FB page in an attempt to defend herself, logic doesn’t figure into her plans too often.
Logically, given that she works with folks who are disabled, she shouldn’t have been mocking them in public where someone with a camera could catch her doing it.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:08 pm
May as well chuck this in here, for people who aren’t following all the threads on this:
https://www.facebook.com/LIFECapeCod/posts/536292869732823
“We wish to announce that the two employees recently involved in the Arlington Cemetery incident are no longer employees of LIFE. Again, we deeply regret any disrespect to members of the military and their families. The incident and publicity has been very upsetting to the learning disabled population we serve. To protect our residents, any comments, however well-intentioned, will be deleted. We appreciate your concern and understanding as we focus on the care of our community.”
November 21st, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Thanks for posting that, Nik. Don’t have Facebook, so I can’t get past the “must log in” page.
I hope someting good comes out of this, maybe some of the so-called millenials finally realizing that what you say and do has consequences that you may or may not want. Life is far too short as it is.
You all have a nice Thanksgiving. And be grateful that we all live some place where we can speak our minds in freedom.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
@OWB, I think it is you who have little to offer to the conversation other than making assumptions about others motives and intentions.
And yes, intent is everything. Intent is what makes a difference between someone being convicted of a crime or being found not guilty, or guilty of a lesser offense.
In this case, they were guilty of taking a stupid photo in the wrong place. That is all they are guilty of. Not of being anti military, anti American, being Jane Fondas twin, of intentionally disrespecting anyone or anything. The disrespect was UNintentional… grab a dictionary and look up the words and their meanings.
The comparison to the Piss Christ “art work” is utter nonsense. In that case the INTENT was clear that the artist sought to shock, demean, and insult Christianity.
The fact is that an apology was given a month ago for this. Why did the photo remain on facebook? Ask the one who took it and posted it, it was not Lindsey though was it? She only apologised and stated that it was not their intent to be disrespectful the way it has been taken. The one whose album it was n should have deleted it… or at least not left her album open to the public… but that does not give anyone the right to go out and INTENTIONALLY try and destroy her life because the uninformed impression you would get from the photo is that she was being a world calls bitch disrespecting our fallen…Again though, that was not the case. It was not what she was thinking when the picture was taken, it is not what she was doing. It is what you see, nothing else matters but what you see regardless of the explanation and apology given a month ago.
You all win though. You destroyed her life. Not likely she will see a decent paying job again anywhere, not likely the one she had was to begin with. That is okay though because you all righted a wrong that really did not exist… Seriously, Intent does matter no matter what how you try and worm your way away from it. Go sit in on a trial some time and see if Intent plays no role.
I walk up to someone with a loaded gun, put the barrel to their head and pull the trigger the intent would be to kill them. If I had the same loaded gun and had a negligent discharge, it would not have been my intent to kill but the result would have been the same. The punishment from the court would be far different… It is why we have a legal system in this country and got away from Lynch Mobs.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Oh good lord. Her life is not destroyed. Hell, she lives in Mass. Liberal Central. If the Far Left had a center, that’s where it would be.
Half the people in Boston would give her a medal for disrespecting the military.
Now re-read this:
“Of course, Lindsey’s friends told her that she was wrong, but she left the picture up on her Facebook thingie ”
Hers. Lindsey’s. She chose to leave it there.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Well Nik, it shows how little you know about the State I live in… Also, it was not Lindsey’s page the photo was on. OOPS… it was someone elses, the other one who got fired. Good to know you have your facts straight though.
Oh and Plymouth is actually a conservative area in our State, not liberal but again good to know you have your facts straight
November 21st, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Sorry, it was indeed on Lindsey Stone’s FB page. that’s where I got the picture before it got yanked.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:36 pm
@ 441-rb325th: “I think it is you who have little to offer to the conversation other than making assumptions about others motives and intentions.” Isn’t that what you’re doing too? Unless you’ve done an extended interview with her, you’re making assumptions. That being said…
IMHO this airhead is a spoiled brat that didn’t care what she was doing. Thirty y/o and still living at home?! Acting out “douchebagness”? “Pushing the envelope” by smoking under a “No Smoking” sign? “Bucking authority” by doing the exact opposite of what the sign said in one of the most hallowed sites in the US? Well now she cares…maybe. I can only judge people by comparing my own life’s experiences. By the time I was 24 I had been a crew chief, section leader and acting Plt Sgt. By the time I was 30 I had graduated from Arizona State, had three kids and was working as an Operations Analyst for the city of Phoenix, Az. I was being an adult, thoughts of doing her cheap crap never crossed my mind. By the time my kids hit 30 they wouldn’t have thought about it either.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:51 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chez-pazienza/leave-lindsey-stone-alone_b_2171131.html
This dude is claiming his dad is a Navy SEAL in this chick’s defense. It would be interesting to find out if he really was.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:55 pm
“@OWB, I think it is you who have little to offer to the conversation other than making assumptions about others motives and intentions.”
Now you accuse me of making assumptions about others motives and intentions? Again, based upon exactly what do you make that accusation? Not anything I said, of course, because it is simply not true.
But if it makes you feel better to make such statements, why just go on ahead and make them because all this is, you know, all about you and how you feel, after all.
Or maybe it’s just another red herring. Or simply an inability to think logically. Whatevers.
And, Yat, love ya, hermano mio, but it’s not what he is doing too. It’s just what he is doing.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:02 am
I noticed that everyone at that HuffPo link knows how veterans should feel because their dad or someone else they know was a vet. Like I know about racial issues because I have a black friend.
November 22nd, 2012 at 3:16 am
@443
“Good to know you have your facts straight though.”
Hmmm…
“Sorry, it was indeed on Lindsey Stone’s FB page. that’s where I got the picture before it got yanked.”
I’m sorry…I was distracted. What were you saying about facts?
“Oh and Plymouth is actually a conservative area in our State, not liberal but again good to know you have your facts straight”
“Senate President Therese Murray held onto her Plymouth seat, fighting off Republican challenger Tom Keyes in a second straight election, while a trio of incumbent GOP lawmakers fell victim to Democratic challengers.”
Source: http://www.bostonherald.com/news/politics/view/20221107murray_others_sweat_it_out_senate_prez_among_incumbents_in_tight_races/srvc=home&position=recent
I’m sorry. I got distracted again. Tell me how conservative Plymouth is again, please.
November 22nd, 2012 at 6:49 am
Anonymous (416): Serrano reputedly disclaims political intent in making his famous photo. To any reasonable person, the subject matter of the photo itself screams otherwise. I don’t believe him; you choose to believe the obvious as well.
Stone claims no disrespect was intended in her famous photo. The subject matter (gesture and location) argues otherwise, as do her subsequent statements on “Hire Lindsey Stone” which evidence disrespect for the military and a narcissistic personality. I don’t believe her; I believe the evidence my own eyes give me.
Ignore the evidence your own eyes give you if you wish. It’s still a free country.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:43 am
@ Hondo (#450): I agree that she’s showing disrespect in her now famous photo, but the target of that disrespect seems to be some vague notion of authority, as conveyed by a sign requesting silence and respect. Not the military, soldiers, the dead, etc. Had the photo shown the Tomb itself, the soldiers guarding it, gravestones, etc., I’d be more inclined to think otherwise.
And I’d bet that ‘Hire Lindsey Stone’ is just someone trolling. Much in the same way that fake Twitter accounts of famous (or infamous) people are pretty common. I can’t be certain, but I’d give you a ten beers to one odds on that.
So, to me, it isn’t ignoring evidence, it’s taking it into effect. We certainly agree people are free to draw different conclusions, though.
November 23rd, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Doncha love it when morons take pictures of themselves doing stupid shit, for posterity? If little Miss Lindsey wasn’t aware of just how puerile and dumbassed her actions were, she is now.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:34 pm
“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel” is a quote attributed to Samuel Johnson which he
made in 1775. What this quote means, in my opinion, is that when all else fails, bring out the flag.
Everyone will love you then.
The US spends more on its military than the next ten nations combined. Almost everyone has either
served in the military, or has friends and relatives that are or were in the military. The US society
is closing in on a full generation that has never lived in a country that was not at war. The US is a
very military-centric nation. To a large extent the US military now defines America and its values.
Samuel Johnson’s quote is hundreds of years old, and Americans have learned on their own that
supporting the US military is a quick and easy way to get approval. This creates a symbiotic relationship
between the military
people and civilians. The military people can elevate their social status by flaunting their service.
The civilians can show off by displaying fawning adulation for those in the military. The military people
enjoy being the object
of all this attention. This creates a self reinforcing feedback loop between the two groups, where the
military is elevated further and further to reach god-like status, and the civilians fall all over
themselves to pay tribute to these idols. The result is an orgy of exhibitionistic narcissism. When it
is perceived that someone is not participating in this groupthink, it creates an opportunity for everyone
to confirm and reinforce their patriotic zeal by attacking this threat to their belief system. When it
is a blatant and deliberate insult, as Lindsey Stone’s picture appeared to be, the result is an insane
competition to see who can be most offended, who can display the most anger, who can be the most publicly
hostile, all with one goal- to make that person look good. The more outraged you get, the better you look.
So, to the pack of wild dogs, to the (aptly named) congress of baboons who self-organized to destroy
Ms. Stone for tugging at their psychological security blanket, I have this to say- The Lindsey Stone
episode is not about disrespecting dead soldiers, or free speech, or a prank gone wrong, or anything else like that.
It’s all about you.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:00 pm
John, your interpretation of Johnson’s quote is wrong. If you bothered to read it in context, you’d see that you have it completely backwards. Of course, you need a certain level of reading comprehension that seems to be lacking.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 pm
What’s with Johnny’s spacing issue. A cut and paste? I’m sure that tome is worth reading but I have opted to deny myself JohnBoy’s illuminating insights. He los me with “in my opinion.” No shit, Sherlock. We share opinions here some worthwhile, others not.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:10 pm
@453
Your cut-n-paste skills need work. Until then, I can’t make myself give a shit enough to read it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:21 pm
“The military people enjoy being the object of all this attention.”
Eh, not really pal.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 pm
If we wanted attention all that much, we’d be marching in the streets or something, whatever gets you in front of the cameras.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:59 am
John thought he was so brilliant that he emailed the cut and paste job to me, too. The problem is that he has mixed it up. Johnson said that a scoundrel will hide behind patriotism, not that all patriots are scoundrels. Any eight year old could explain it to him.
Johnson continued in “The Patriot”; “It is the quality of patriotism to be jealous and watchful, to observe all secret machinations, and to see publick dangers at a distance. The true lover of his country is ready to communicate his fears, and to sound the alarm, whenever he perceives the approach of mischief. But he sounds no alarm, when there is no enemy; he never terrifies his countrymen till he is terrified himself. The patriotism, therefore, may be justly doubted of him, who professes to be disturbed by incredibilities…”
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