When dumb people discuss guns

| November 23, 2012 | 46 Comments

Our buddy, the Armorer had this linked to his Facebook wall. I’m going to call it Not Safe For Work because it will cause you to yell and scream and throw stuff which might make people pigeon hole you into the “crazy vet” thing.

Yes, they claim that there are heat-seeking incendiary bullets that could cook a deer when you shoot it. Of course, they want to keep it out of the hands of terrorists, but not the people who you and I would call terrorists. I’m pretty sure that the NRA wouldn’t fight a measure that would limit the use of incendiary, heat-seeking bullets, if there was such a thing.

I’m sure that the “incendiary device” they’re talking about is the tracer ammo that shows a shooter where his bullets are going. The only thing I’ve seen on the tip is the color marking that denotes to the shooter that he’s firing tracer ammo. There’s no device in the tip. Yes, I’ve seen tracers start grass fires in very dry climates, but it couldn’t cook a deer. And what the Hell this dumb bitch thinks is a “heat-seeking device”, well, it doesn’t exist to my knowledge.

It’s really too bad that there wasn’t a reporter at the press conference who could call those idiots out on their stupidity. I really don’t need a .50 cal rifle for anything, but just knowing that the moron hippies are this scared of me owning one, makes me want one real bad.

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  1. TSO says:

    Don’t forget the dirty hippie seeking ammunition that will lock onto the smell of petchuli and follow them around. That shit is awesome. I have 4 boxes of it for my Mk19 that I own for self-defense.

  2. NHSparky says:

    I love it when people who have never fired a weapon are all of a sudden experts. What would she do if she saw a duck hunter with an A12 shotgun?

  3. Sgt Awesome says:

    I don’t shoot a .50 cal to hunt deer, I shoot a .50 cal to give me a massive erection, which happens to be heat seeking in a way, but that is neither here nor there.

  4. Old Trooper says:

    Question: Why do you want a .50 cal?

    Answer: Because they don’t make a .51.

  5. CI says:

    Sometimes stupid should be a crime.

  6. Mr Wolf, non-Esq says:

    CI, if stupid WAS a crime, these idiots would be lifers…

  7. UpNorth says:

    Sadly, that idiot Assemblywoman got enough votes to get elected. What does that say about her constituents?

  8. John11B says:

    eloquenty said sgt. awesome.

  9. John11B says:

    *eloquently

  10. Outlaw13 says:

    I think she was watching this movie…

  11. Hack Stone says:

    Outlaw13@10, any movie that has Tom Sellick AND Gene Simmons is destined for greatness. I can’t wait for it to be released. The trailer on Youtube is way cool. I love how they gave it that cheesy 1980′s retro vibe. It really leads you to believe that it is 1980′s no budget film that nobody would ever be interested in watching. This could be the start of a whole franchise, ala Terminator.

  12. Country Singer says:

    I know a guy that hunts with a .50 cal. More accurately (pun intended) he snipes the feral hogs destroying his family’s farmland. I’ll have to ask him if the bacon is ready as soon as the the round passes through them.

  13. PFDRbrendan says:

    Typical anti-gun people. No experience or knowledge of the subject required, just fear mongering and spouting falsities to get everyone all riled up.

  14. Just an Old Dog says:

    The funny thing is I can not recall ever reading where a .50 caliber rifle has been used for the commission of a single crime in this country. Typical politico. “There is a remote chance someone might do something bad with this, so we aren’t going to let anyone have it.” How about instead of you worrying about a firearm that only .00001% of the population is interested in or would buy you worry about school administration, libraries, jobs and social services. Fuggin’ quack.

  15. The Dead Man says:

    I wonder if they haven’t been watching too many movies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jVsQToSfag&feature=related or playing too many games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh8ew23M9vs with idiocy like this.

  16. USMCE8Ret says:

    #10 Outlaw 13 – I share the sentiments from the comment thread you shared: “Watching the trailer feels like i saw the whole damn movie!”? Curiously, Patricia Eddington’s bio is silent about having any weapon experience or background (not that I expected it would), but if you’re an expert on munitions, I’d think she would mention that. I think the real issue at hand is how was it again, that Kirstie Allie let herself go the way she did? (Watch the YouTube link at about 0.50).

  17. Ex-PH2 says:

    Did you guys watch the one about “you can be shot by an unloaded gun”? Councilman Sheedy is quite sure it can happen.

    I also liked the follow-up experiment by the very conscientious young man, demonstrating 10 times with a hand gun and 10 times with a rifle, that it is difficult, if not impossible, to shot someone with an unloaded gun.

    Kirstie Allie let herself go by baking cookies with her kids. Lots of cookies. And pie. And cheesecake….

    I’m going to see if I can dig up any information on incendiary bullets. Didn’t the Nazis experiment with those? Or am I thinking of Puff the Magic Dragon, the big HERC that was retrofitted to be used as a gunship during the Vietnam war?

  18. OWB says:

    Here’s an idea – if she, and anyone else around the country, doesn’t want to own guns or ammo, no one is forcing them to buy any. How exactly does it strangthen their position to insist that others also not own any?

    It’s kinda like my not really liking the color green so I do not own or wish to own any green fuzzy socks. If others want them, it doesn’t bother me at all. And there is no Constitutional protection for green fuzzy socks!

  19. Ex-PH2 says:

    Here’s a place where you can buy some incendiary bullets, an online, too!!!!

    http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/super-incendiary-raufoss

    That’s $79.95 per box.

    Here’s another:

    http://www.gunsamerica.com/913537867/Non-Guns/Ammunition/20ct_Lapua_7_62x39_mm_Incendiary_Amm.htm

    The Lapua ammo is $42.50 per box

    And I thought stupidity was priceless!

  20. Ex-PH2 says:

    Ooooooh! Here’s another:

    http://www.garysguns.com/exotic.htm

    Unfortunately, Gary’s Guns is all out of the incendiary ammo, but he can probably back order for you.

  21. Ex-PH2 says:

    And I swear, this link to a USAF doc on heat-seeking bullets is for real:

    http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/concepts/900809.HTM

    but in case it gets yanked, here’s the entire one-page report:

    These academic research papers are works in progress. The views expressed in these papers are those of the authors and do not reflect the official policy or position of the United States Air Force, Department of Defense, or the United States Government.

    Document Id: 900809

    Concept Category / Medium:

    OFFENSE AND TARGETING / AIR

    Concept Title: Sensor Fuzed Heat Seeking Bullet

    Description: These projectiles have a trajectory like any other bullet but nano-technology sensors and control surfaces deflect their flight path toward the target. Once in or near the target nano-technology projectile fuzes would cause the explosive in the projectile to explode creating a self forging slug towards the target. The sensor would be either a nano-laser transmitter/sensor or infrared sensor looking outward from the axis of the bullet. As the bullet spins the scan pattern generated would create a lethal volume around the bullet. The detonation would be aimed an appropriate number of degrees past the sensor to account for any lag in the fuzing. The seeker and control surfaces would guide by nano-technology control surfaces which would extend and retract to destabilize the flight path of the bullet in response to signals from a nano-focal plane array in the projectile nose.

    Advantages: Increased lethality for gun air defense systems and air to air cannons. No longer would weapons operators have to rely on a direct hit (or very close proximity for fragmentation weapons). The use of nano-technology would make this wepon inexpensive and robust.

    Countermeasures: The sensors on the projectile might be susceptible to countermeasures such as chaff or flares. Choice of frequency for the sensors and well thought out functional logic will minimize the effect of countermeasures. Additionally, if the algorithim notes the presence of countermeasures, or if the operator does, the special function of the bullet could be disabled and it would behave as a normal bullet. Similarly, a signal past to the projectile while in the gun barrel could do the same.

    Commercial Applications: These sensors embedded in industrial machinery could perform self diagnostic functions. The capability to produce nano-technology chips has clear dual use potential.

    Keywords: FORGING

    Note the misspelled words (past instead of passed, wepon instead of weapon, and fuzed instead of fused), so I don’t know if it’s a hoax or the real deal, but it’s online as an academic paper might be. The keyword, forging, may be a clue to hoaxology.

    Further digging produced these results:

    Pentagon sinks 422 million into guided bullets:

    http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/11/what-if-a-snipe.html

    And this one: Guided bullets from DARPA:

    http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=2025

    And this, from a Feb 2012 article about Sandia’s self-guided bullets:

    http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/sandia-self-guided-bullet

    Will wonders never cease?

  22. Ex-PH2 says:

    Ooops! that should be $22 million, not 422 million. Sorry!

  23. JP says:

    They’re obviously referring to me hunting deer with TOW missiles.

    Morons.

  24. Mustang says:

    That video is from 5 years ago and Patricia Eddington has been out of the state assembly for 3 years. Anyone know the current laws in New York that came of this?

  25. 2-17 Air Cav says:

    If the assemblywoman thinks incendiary-tipped bullets are bad, she should hear what I am working on: explosive acorns. I also have a patent pending on voice-activated bullets. They’re directional as well. Very cool stuff. I won’t have either project ready for Christmas but I am taking pre-production orders.

  26. Ex-PH2 says:

    AirCav, which squirrels were you planning to chase off with those acorns?

  27. Fen says:

    For me, the first indication of how stupid these people are is their presumption that the right to bear arms has anything to do with hunting.

  28. Just an Old Dog says:

    You people don’t know anything. I need to apologize to the assemblywoman, I emailed her and she sent me the link to the video proving there were “smart bullets”.

  29. Ex-PH2 says:

    Old Dog, that sent me back.

    Peggy Lee! Julie London! Two of the best women singers of the jazz age. Thanks for that link!

  30. Redacted1775 says:

    .50? Psshh. I’m getting one of these for home defense. ;)

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/01/chris-dumm/got-40-meet-the-950-jdj/

  31. Arms says:

    I believe shes just regurgitating info someone gave her about .50 cal API rounds. They are really common in the military, i’m sure someone was likely to say “they even make armor piercing incindiary rounds” in a conversation about how someone could potentially shoot down a plane with one. The heat seaking part is probably just her speaking out of sheer ignorance.
    there are lots of things out there that could take down a plane, putting it on the news and telling everyone about it probably isnt the best way to go about mitigating that threat.

  32. 2-17 Air Cav says:

    @26. It’s for turkey. Those guys love acorns. They pick up acorn with beak and BLAM!–you don’t eat the head anyway.

  33. Oh my gosh….is she that stupid? Whatafuckingretard.

  34. ex af says:

    NY hunting accidents. Drink lots of booze. Get on opposite sides of the field, go towards each other with game in middle. shoot at movement. Happens a lot. not enough to weed out the idiots. And don’t get me started on Illinois….

  35. Ex-PH2 says:

    What was that about Illinois? Hey, we have coyotes the size of German Shepherds here. Watch it, fella!

  36. teddy996 says:

    @24- nothing came of it. This vid was from back when there was that big freakout over .50 rifles on the national news. It was all being pushed by a lobby group from California. California ended up banning them. NY, however, did not.

    I’ll try to find the page (if it still exists), but I remember being on their website, where they were listing the stats of the .50 caliber rifle as part of their scaremongering campaign. Range of six miles, can drop a plane in one hit, was used as anti-aircraft gun during war, etc. Turns out they were listing the stats from a 3″/50 naval rifle (3″/50 reads “three-inch, fifty caliber” for you non-naval personnel). Because a .50 caliber rifle is the same as a 2-ton naval artillery piece with a 3″ bore and a 12′ barrel to the average Brady supporter. Just as long as it says “fifty caliber”, then it’s the same thing, right?

  37. Yat Yas 1833 says:

    These are the people that worry about someone that has more than one firearm! “Heat seeking” rounds? What not try to ban light sabers too?! Maybe even try to ban the use of the “force”? Forkin’ retards.

  38. Mr. Blue says:

    [Panic] Oh noes, one can buy .50 caliber rifles BY MAIL!! Without federal background checks!!! OMGWTFBBQ1!!11 [/Panic]

    Referring to muzzle loading black powder guns, of course.

  39. jonp says:

    I guess I missed all of the stories from NY about drive-by 50 Cal shootings. Or the guy that entered a building with one concealed under his coat to rob a bank. Actually, I might like to see a gang banger shoot one from inside the back of a vehicle so i can watch the windows blow out from the back blast or better yet, hope the drivers window is down when it go’s off.
    More of the “we don’t want to ban hunting rifles” schtick.

  40. Jonn Lilyea says:

    I just want one to put in the rifle rack in my truck and see if everyone becomes more polite on the road.

  41. 2-17 Air Cav says:

    OFF TOPIC

    Hey, I’m watching a HS state championship game. It’s the Catholics vs. the Pagans. Actiually, its Loyola (Detroit) versus the Ishpeming Hermatites. I thought, “Hermatite?” Sounds Biblical. No, hermatites are rocks or minerals or something.

  42. Hondo says:

    Ex-PH2: “Puff the Magic Dragon” referred to the AC-130′s predecessor, not the AC-130. That was the AC-47.

    Yes, you read that correctly. That was a World War II-vintage cargo plane converted to gunship use. The design was developed via USAF gunship testing/experimentation at Eglin AFB under USAF Project Gunship. It was largely the result of efforts by two USAF Captains, John C. Simmons and Ron W. Terry.

    The first two gunship aircraft were field-modified in Vietnam in Dec 1964, and were actually initially designated “FC-47s”. These aircraft often actually used the callsign “Puff” (it was indeed a reference to the PP&M song “Puff the Magic Dragon”). The aircraft’s designation was later changed to “AC-47″ due to protests of USAF fighter pilots. The formal name for the aircraft series was “Spooky”.

    First tactical success was the night of 23-24 Dec 1964 at 2 different SF camps in the Mekong Delta. Puff’s gunship support was instrumental in preserving both camps from being overrun.

    It was as loadmaster of an AC-47 that A1C John L. Levitow performed the heroic actions that resulted in his being awarded the Medal of Honor on 24 February 1969.

    The AC-130 Spectre was developed as a follow-on (Project Gunship II) and first flew in Sep 1967. However, AC-47s were extensively used during Khe Sahn due to the lack of available AC-130s.

    Since the C-130 airframe was in high demand, the number of AC-130s was limited; most AC-130s were used along the Ho Chi Minh trail. A third USAF project – Project Gunship III – converted a number of C-119 “Flying Boxcar” cargo aircraft into gunships. These were the AC-119G Shadow and AC-119K Stinger. Being later developments, they were actually slightly more advanced in terms of targeting systems than the Vietnam-era AC-130s.

  43. Ex-PH2 says:

    Thanks, Hondo. I can never distinguish between the C-130s and the C-123s, but the footage of the Herky birds dropping payloads at Khe Sanh with the bottom of the fuselage about five feet off the ground sticks in my mind like glue.

    I have some slides I shot at Glenview at one of their last open houses (before Clinton shut things down) of a Herc — I think a C-134 with rocket-assisted takeoff. Noisier than a barn full of draft horses on a cold morning. It was an experiment; I don’t know if anything ever came of it.

    It’s a crying shame that politcians view the military as something they only want around when they need it, and the rest of the time, they don’t want to be bothered. All show and no go. Some day, they’ll be sorry they have that attitude.

  44. UpNorth says:

    @#41. Not only that, AirCav, but the Catholics(West Catholic from Grand Rapids) and the Christians(Grand Rapids Christian) won state championships.
    And, to get back on topic, I own a .54 caliber rifle. Muzzle-loading, but still, I’m sure the anti’s will wet their knickers if they find out.

  45. Hondo says:

    Ex-PH2: 4 turning (props) = C-130; 2 turning (props) plus two burning (small turbojets) = C-123. Both were (C-123) or are (C-130) great aircraft. (smile)

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