Chuck Hagle for SecDef?
COB6 emailed that he just heard that Chuck Hagle is being considered for Secretary of Defense. So I checked the news and The National Journal is reporting that he’s being considered for either Defense or State;
Hagel has been critical of the current Republican Party since leaving office in 2008, even backing Democratic Senate candidate Bob Kerrey in this cycle. In 2008, Hagel traveled to Iraq with then-Sen. Obama during the presidential election.
“Now the Republican Party is in the hands of the right, I would say the extreme right, more than ever before,” Hagel told FP in a previous interview. “You’ve got a Republican Party that is having difficulty facing up to the fact that if you look at what happened during the first 8 years of the century, it was under Republican direction.”
Before Hagle got on his bipartisan kick, I thought he was a good guy. Hagle, a Vietnam veteran, when Strom Thurmond left the Senate, helped us get National Airborne Day through the Senate. Then his office called me on my cell phone and thanked me for helping to get it through. So, even when he went insane, I still kept a warm spot in my heart for him.
Then he started his bat shit crazy “Iraq is like Vietnam” thing and even had VoteVets supporting him. In fact, VoteVets will tell you that Haigle is the only Republican they ever supported – which is a lie because Haigle’s last election was in 2002 and VoteVets didn’t exist until 2006, but it tells you the kind of company Haigle keeps.
Making Hagle SecDef only makes sense, since Panetta was the only Democrat SecDef since 1997, so they need another Republican in that office, and who better than an insane anti-war RINO. I’m not sure how this will work out for veterans, because Hagle always made a show of supporting veterans. He left the Army as an E-5 infantry squad leader in 2/47 Infantry, 9th ID – so we can only hope that he remembers his roots.
December 4th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
His roots are where the money is. Nothing more except POWER.
December 4th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
You mean like Murtha remembered?
December 4th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
“Hagel said Bush made the wrong decision by not meeting AGAIN with Cindy Sheehan…” Oh, that Hagel. The emphasis in the quote is mine.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
he’s a numbnut, so he belongs in the obama regime.
December 4th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Better than Kerry, if not by much
December 4th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
So. All the UnderSecretaries and Deputies and Assistant Secretaries – all Obama appointees – are going to support someone who once belonged to a party that still claims Booosh-the-Hated-One as a member?
So who are they hiring to keep Hagle company and let him think he’s doing something?
December 4th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Better than Kerry is like saying “smartest kid on the short bus” comparison.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:37 am
Met this guy as a young SGT.
He seemed ok.
Check the spelling(s).
REP out of Nebraska if I recall.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:49 am
Gen. Mattis Sec. Defense…FTW!
December 5th, 2012 at 1:38 am
How about Gen. Pete Pace? Forget it, he’s possessed of common sense and honor.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
John Lilyeah, you are a fucking moron.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Says the person that can’t spell Jonn’s name when it is printed right up top.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Funny, I don’t see you correcting him for repeatedly botching Hagle’s name despite it being spelled corectly several times in the passage he quoted.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Funny, I didn’t see Jonn call him a fucking moron. Insane, yes, fucking moron, no.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
@13: that was mentioned above. Whether Jonn has seen that particular comment or not is a different question.
Then again, you are someone who publicly calls himself dung. So perhaps such eventualities are beyond your grasp.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
I ain’t a grunt, therefore I ain’t shit. Meaning I’m almost certainly of a higher plane of existence than our dear little scooter on the carpet.
I’m down with that.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Once a grunt, always a grunt, how about you butthorn, what is/was your MOS?
Oh, and Twist, ot goes without saying that Lilyea is insane.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
@11. What’s up with that comment? It can’t be the post. Maybe if you clued us in, we could understand. Is this a personal beef or what?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Ooooh! Are we getting into invective, vituperation and gross insults now?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
3353/63, 3373, 3376, and a few others.
At least my MOS/NEC number doesn’t match my ASVAB score, son.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
He is also the guy that didn’t know that the Marines had Infantry.
He said something to the effect “I was in the Infantry not the Marines”.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Consider the screen name, 2-17 Air Cav, and what it says about the individual using it. He apparently doesn’t realize (or doesn’t care) that he is using a double-negative and calling himself dung via using same.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
@22. I just don’t get where this is coming from. To me, it seems like it’s coming out of left field. Is there history to this?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
I was talking to Hondo, Sparky. Do all of Lilyra’s buttboys have trouble telling themselves apart? The only guy who ever called me son had a CIB with star on it and 1SG stripes, until you get those you can keep your torpedo sucking bitch mouth closed.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Wow…sounds a lot like Dewald. Almost down to the homophobic suggestions.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
And when you act like an adult, I’ll stop calling you son, son.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
“The only guy who ever called me son had a CIB with star on it and 1SG stripes….” No Dad, huh? Sorry to hear that. So, what’s up with the anger? Why do you want to slash and burn here?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
“keep your torpedo sucking bitch mouth closed.”
Are you using some sort of web cam service on TAH that the rest of us don’t have access to?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Don’t hold back on this lewdster, Sparky.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
I was talking about my dad, butthorn.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
He’s just trying to be clever, Twist. Yeah, like I’ve never heard submarine = ghey jokes before.
Yawn.
They’re so cute at that age, and then someone teaches them to type (albeit poorly) and introduces them to the Internet.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
I never thought I would say this but, please change your screen name. You are being an embarrassment to my MOS.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Aww Sparky a double post? That’s when you know someone is butthurt, guess my little joke struck a nerve. Bring back some bittersweet memories, did it?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
AirCav–he just pretends his daddy was a 1SG. Truth be told, as many “daddys” as he’s had, you could add up all the stripes on their sleeves over a given weekend his mom got plowed by and it still wouldn’t add up to the number of stripes/hashmarks on a First Sergeant’s uniform.
C’est dommage. Such is life when even Maury Povich goes, “Fuck it–nobody’s EVER gonna know who your daddy is.”
December 5th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
@34, I beg to differ. If you add up the stripes it very well could add up to the Sergeant Major of the Universe.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
@24: then address me when you’re speaking to me, dipstick. Otherwise it’s hard to tell who an ignorant putz like yourself is feebly attempting to insult.
My current or former military specialty isn’t the topic of discussion here. And, frankly, today I simply don’t feel like satisfying your curiosity concerning the subject. Had you asked politely I might have. Since you didn’t: go consume excrement and expire.
Do you need me to translate that last phrase for you?
The subject of discussion here is your manifest ignorance. And you’ve proven my point above. You are apparently so damn ignorant that you don’t realize your screen name is semantically equivalent to calling yourself dung.
Now, how about you run along and let the adults here discuss things that are beyond your ken – sonny boy.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Twist–or maybe MSGT Soupy? Could it…naw…could it be???
December 5th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
@33.
I was a grunt and I actually agree with your screen name.
However, you are acting like a turd.
Do you have a point about Hagel?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
You mean, Reamy Ramey?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Aww Sparky, I’m sorry your wife did that to you, but you really shouldn’t go recycling you bad experiences as shitty yo mama jokes.
And Hondo, a bit defensive about your MOS, eh? Thanks for confirming that you’re nobody of any substance. As far as my handle goes, that dawned on me about 14 years ago when I heard my very first Team Leader say it to some REMF, possibly even you. I like it anyway. Run along now, someone needs an LES, and you’re the only “man” that can do it!
December 5th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
@30. Most men refer to their fathers as father, dad, and such. I never heard anyone refer to his father solely by rank or profession. Oh, and what is a butthorn?
December 5th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
@40, Hondo has never been defensive about his MOS. Just ask any of the regulars here. Judging from his comment above he just does not feel like indulging a petulant child.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Twist, stop fighting the other buttboy’s battles for them. Besides your S-3′s SGM is looking for his coffee. Better snap to it.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
All Chuck Hagel did was criticize the Bush administration for how they handled the war and he was 100% right.. God forbid a politician actually shows some concern for the Soldier on the ground, which he was one..
December 5th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Oh, and Grunt–not currently married. Son, I am disappoint. Thought you’d have grown a thicker skin by now to match your skull.
December 5th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
But she was your wife when she was fucking around on you, no?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Is this guy The Dude or are there two guys who come in here just to contribute their pent up anger?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Yawn. Seriously, son–my personal life is none of your fucking business, but no, infidelity wasn’t an issue.
Now considering your situation, where were it not for date rape you’d still be a virgin, and where it comes to sex with women (HUMAN women), you still are, well…
December 5th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Sure it wasn’t, because you were too much of a pussy to make an issue out of it. Maybe if you had spoken up earlier and sought counseling you wouldn’t have slapped her around later forcing her to get that restraining order.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
I’m rather loathe to go to another string because this guy would doubtless score that as some sort of sick victory. I don’t get his purpose here, other than the obvious one of inane attacks on people. I don’t have the right doctoral letters behind my name to figure this one out. If there’s a story here, I sure would like to hear it.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Damn, what turd Gruntshit is.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Yawn. You really cut me to the bone with that one. /sarc
You have absolutly no idea where I have been or what I have done and frankly, it’s none of your buisness. I realise that I put you in a conundrum since you can’t thump your chest and call me a REMF so you went the whole S-3 route. By the way I can count on one hand the number of times I have heard REMF instead of POG in my 19 years as a grunt. I guess you have watched too many Vietnam movies.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Stück Scheiße (@40): I find it interesting that you claim to know you’re calling yourself dung when you comment here, but continue to do so anyway.
Defensive? No. It’s completely up to me whether or not I choose to satisfy your curiosity. Since you’re acting like a complete jackass here I’m selecting the “or not” option.
Baiting me won’t change anything, so you might as well stop trying. That wasn’t even a nice try – lame, actually.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Histrionic personality disorder — attention whore
Invisible angry and powerless lewdster — psychic vampire
Impertinent surly baggage — boar-pig or nuthook
December 5th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
This topic is like a sore tooth. You want it to go away, but you can’t stop poking it.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Now, Twist – I’m sure he meant “REMF” as a term of endearment. Everyone knows that means “Really Excellent Male or Female” these days. (smile)
It is interesting how the Army’s slang changes over time – and how those who aren’t currently serving often lag a decade or more behind. Isn’t it?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
@54. That’s just it, Twist. He shows up, cusses Jonn, plays stupid games, and then–what? What’s in it for him? I could understand if he were a disgruntled former employee of TAH (!) or if he’s gay and doesn’t like the way BallDuster or, for that matter, Insipid were treated here but this makes positively no sense to me. Is this his idea of a good time? Is this something his Top Shirt dad would be proud of? I just don’t get it.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
AirCav, see my post @53 above.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
This guy almost comes off like one of Whipitnflogit’s recruits, doesn’t it?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Stück Scheiße (@–): (chuckling) Still fishing? Ain’t gonna work, sonny-boy. You might as well go back to playing with your GI Joe “action figures” (AKA dolls).
December 5th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Yeah, I saw it, Ex-PH2. He apparently has his targets and they are Jonn, Sparky, Twist, and Hondo. Strange stuff here. Very strange.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
So, what the heck is a butthorn?
December 5th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
The key is the originating point of the posts.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Stück Scheiße (@–,–): More obvious fishing and baiting? Please. Those attempts were even more ineffective than the previous two.
I see sarcastic humor is beyond your grasp also.
As is current military slang, apparently. As Twist noted above, “REMF” has been pretty much obsolete as Army slang for quite a while now. You just don’t hear the term much at all any more.
But it’s still used by wannabees who get their military jargon from old movies.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Note: not adept at creative insults — not real bright.
Repeats the same theme — lack of creativity, lack of intellect.
Ah! I KNOW who it is now. Yes, I do. Mox corvos pasces.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Okay, time to move on. Put me down as aye if a moderation vote arises. If not, I fully support the unilateral action that results in same.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
@67, Also, as I noted above and in another topic, that he didn’t know that Marines have Infantry. Something smells fishy in China Town.
@63, I’m one of the targets because I couldn’t stand his original buffoonary that had absolutly nothing to do with the topic.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Twist — got it.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
My blogging tip for the day; suggesting that anyone is a “disgrace to the uniform” will not get you out of moderation. My money pays for this place and if you don’t like how I do things – fuck off and bother someone else. I’m not spending my vacation hand-holding with childish little fuckwads.
December 5th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
And dropping (false) accusations of spousal abuse and legal actions ain’t real smart, Gruntshit.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Hmmm. Apparently I missed Stück Scheiße’s last comment(s) that apparently got him pitched. Oh well, it was probably as juvenile and lame as the rest of his insults above.
And no, Air Cav 2-17 – this wasn’t an alter ego for “The Dude”. This tool was posting from the Phoenix, AZ, area. “The Dude” posted from NJ.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:35 am
@71. The two have similar styles and content and seem, too, the target a couple of the same people here. What you missed yesterday was a buddy boy’s crass questions to Sparky. As far as I’m concerned, he should have been gone when he rolled in with his first crazed comment. He certainly has problems but he’s history until he gets to the local library somewhere or borrows someone’s pc or laptop.
December 6th, 2012 at 9:58 am
2-17 Air Cav: I saw up to the original comment 66, including a couple directed at NHSparky. Nothing about being a “disgrace”, though – which seems to have been what caused Jonn to whack him.
Yeah, I thought the same about “The Dude” and Stück Scheiße; they do seem similar. But unless “The Dude” has a friend who got him access to a proxy server in the Phoenix area, they’re not the same guy.
I’m guessing it’s just another disaffected, immature fool with an attitude, a chip on their shoulder, and little in the way of intellect or common sense. God must love such; he made many of them.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:11 am
I guess the boards over at 4chan just aren’t enough for these tools.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:21 am
I thought it was The Dude, too.
Phoenix, huh? Does anyone besides me think it might be our most recent poster boy for fakery? I refer to Todd Michael Hamilton (11/25/2012), of course. He is (so far) in Chandler, AZ, which is a suburb of Phoenix. He is petulant, not a particularly creative sort, and may have found out that he was found out by TAH, and muttered “revenge!” to himself.
Anything’s possible.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Ex-PH2: entirely possible. His other persona from the same static IP (“IRON MIKE”) first showed up on 26 Nov. As you’ve noted, the geography also works.
Further: the source IP is from an IT company, which matches Hamilton’s actual mil background (IT). So assuming Hamilton is working vice living off funds from his “charity”, that works too.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:53 am
The plot thickens, Hondo.
Let’s see if he finds another way in.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:56 am
He still comments. You guys just don’t see them. Calling me names doesn’t encourage me to approve them, though.
December 6th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Lilyea, you are one nefarious blogmaster.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Insulting the owner of a blog is not conducive to having your comments posted.
December 6th, 2012 at 11:30 am
We’ve had history with a few fakers in/around the Phoenix area, so none of them would particularly surprise me, but meh.
If he’s got to go to the “when did you stop beating your wife” card when he knows nothing of which he speaks, the word “projection” keeps coming to mind for some strange reason….
December 7th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Must be a shortage of apostrophes and commas where he is. Here you go. I have extras: ””””,,,,,,,
December 7th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
You all owe the dude an apology, I have never come on here and insulted for no reason.. I bring a different view point and for that I am attacked with sheer venom..
December 7th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
The Dude: I assume you’re talking about “You Aint . . . ” who formerly commented here before he was placed in moderation. I suggest you go read his comments above. But unless you caught them before Jonn whacked them, you’ll not see several that were equally insulting.
Coming here and making your first comment one that calls the site owner a “fucking moron” (while simultaneously intentionally misspelling his name), then doing nothing but insult others afterwards, ain’t exactly going to get a lot of apologies.
December 7th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
The Dude abides? Not here, son.
December 19th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
OK, so maybe Chuck wasn’t exactly well regarded by some highly connected beltway powerplayers. Following article definitely sounds like a disqualifier for SECDEF job (if even halfway true)…Interesting read whatever the merits.
Rejecting Chuck Hagel
Former associates of potential Defense nominee troubled by Hagel’s management skills
http://freebeacon.com/rejecting-chuck-hagel/