Right to Fight
December 11th, 2012
Michigan union thugs are getting their hackles up and working themselves into a frenzy in Lansing, here’s the video from Fox News;
Old Trooper sends a video of our buddy Michael Steven Crowder getting pummeled by union thugs;
The Michigan Legislature on Tuesday gave final approval to contentious “right-to-work” legislation, in the face of raucous protests in the capital and stern warnings from Democratic lawmakers.
“There will be blood, there will be repercussions,” State Democratic Rep. Douglas Geiss, speaking on the House floor on Tuesday, warned ahead of the votes.
Yeah, when you’re out of ideas, turn to violence.
ADDED: Michelle Malkin’s video gallery of the thuggery.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Not to be a jerk, but it’s Steve Crowder, not Michael Crowder.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Y’know, that mob just screams for a whiff of the grape. Just sayin’.
December 11th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
just like the good old times, just a bunch of thugs
December 11th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
I work for a union. I have to in order to work for the Gov’t in Oregon.
I hate it. I loathe it. It’s like extortion or a protection racket, except it’s legal. I have to pay a group of thugs for the right to serve the people of Oregon.
And…I’m worse off for it. I’m relatively highly paid. So, instead of equality or solidarity, my dues are higher and I have to take more furlough days. Yet, they don’t represent us equally. For 14 years I’ve been hearing “We’re going to look at IT salaries”. Yet, here I sit, 14 years later, dramatically underpaid.
According to salary.com, including benefits, I’m at the bottom 2% of pay. 98% of the people who do the very same job I do get paid more than I. And it’s getting worse as they fight for increases for the lower paid folks and my colleagues and I have flat, stagnant salaries.
And I pay them for this.
Fuck the unions. They’re scum.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
How much do you want to bet that the only way a video like this will never make MSM? It has all the talking points; swearing, violence, sexism… But since its union its completely legal to do all of this. God forbid that if it was a tea party organization or any other opposing group. Double standards. I would love to see some hacker get into a white house computer and have this on a loop over and over and over. This bullshit has got to end.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
I was part of a Machinists union in a shipyard. All they did with my union dues was print out fancy fliers telling me to vote democrat. The union reps were the dregs of the yard… fat overpaid scum who were inept at their trade so they had to get a shop steward gig to protect them from getting the axe.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
@4 – My husband and eldest son worked for UPS about a decade ago and both were screwed over by the union. We all swore to never have a union job ever again.
I worked for the state for about 10 years, back when they weren’t unionized. We still had union-like pay scales where there was no benefit to working hard. In fact, if you did work hard you were resented by others because you made them look bad. We had a guy who drank a case of vodka a week (in his office) and it took almost 2 years to get him fired.
I looked at the people around me who were narrow-minded drones doing the same exact tasks day after day for 30 years and decided I had to leave or I would go postal. I took some programming classes and have happily been in IT for the past 15 years. My very first tech job, even with absolutely no experience, paid far more than I made with the state. Within a year, I was making more than the director I reported to.
Even my unemployment during the dot com bust was better than working for the state.
You should leave for greener pastures where you can be appreciated for your hard work.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
I’m seeing this on the news now. Michigan has the 6th highest unemployment rate in the country. Illinois does not have a right to work law, but is now surrounded by states that do have that. Maybe some day… (sigh…dreams are nice).
December 11th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
this bullshit is exactly what this administration wants.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
They got some very clear footage of those people.
I hope they prosecute the fuck out of them.
I don’t care what your political agenda is. I don’t care how passionate you are. I don’t care how moral your position is. You don’t assault people and you don’t destroy property to make your point.
December 11th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
“’There will be blood, there will be repercussions,’ State Democratic Rep. Douglas Geiss”
Sounds like a confession to me. First person to die earns Geiss a noose.
Naw, some Prognazi judge will call Geiss a MOH winner and let him go.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
At some point in the distant past, labor unions served a valid purpose, getting a decent wage for work and setting a retirement age. The retirement age of 65 was chosen because lead piping was used in plumbing and at 65, most plumbers could not carry it without injury. As the unions progressed from doing something worthwhile to doing stupid things like specifying which workers could do what, they lost their benefit and purpose.
And when I found in the 1960s that auto workers in Detroit, with barely an 8th grade education, were earning more pay than my father, who had a PhD in theater and worked longer hours than the union slobs did, I completely lost sympathy for anyone who went on strike and subsequently found his plant was closed and moved elsewhere. GE and Firestone both had plants in Decatur, IL until the unions drove them away with strikes and unreasonable demands.
I had a 1980 Chevy that was built in a plant in Oklahoma. Now there is a Toyota plant in Bloomington, IL.
Does anyone see any of that coming back to Detroit any time in the near future?
December 11th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
#12: Ex-PH2 – as farms and orchards and wildlife nursery.
Agree that the unions once did some good things. Considering most union bosses are lawyers and not tradesmen and women, the unions were bound to become sucking bastions of evil.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
@13 – Yes, wildlife in the form of beavers and geese has already begun returning to inner Detroit. What I see happening some time in the future is whatever is left of large buildings in Detroit being abandoned, including the capitol building, and everything moved elsewhere while the remaining population dies off.
I watched some of those videos shot in the Detroit ghettos, or what’s left of those old neighborhoods. I had no idea how many feral dogs existed there until now, or how many houses had simply been demolished. The “Animal Cops Detroit” TV show was shot between 2004 and 2007. This is a mere five years after the last original episode, and those neighborhoods are basically gone.
And it was strange to see, too, because the comparison is the abandonment of Chernobyl after the nuclear reactor meltdown. 25 years later, there is a very healthy wildlife in the abandoned area around Chernobyl, including several wolf packs and ponds with 8-foot long catfish in them. It can happen anywhere, too.
But the real point is that unions have done more damage than good in the last 60 years by demanding too much, as if making a profit by a company was a venal sin. The steelworkers’ union drove Inland Steel in Gary, Indiana into bankruptcy and what was once a thriving steel town is almost half ghost town. It can happen anywhere.
December 11th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Mmmm. Makes me reconsider my life-long habit of buying American made cars. In fact, I will never buy another car from Detroit again. Maybe something made by the Japanese down in Texas. Yep, that’s t.
What disgusting, hateful bigoted jerks.
Another set of animals to stop feeding.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Hey, the UAW is concerned, after all, they have a resort and golf course to maintain for the union higher ups. http://jalopnik.com/5616056/inside-the-uaws-opulent-lakeside-resort
And, EX-PH2, it’s OK, you can call the ghettos of Detroit ghettos. That’s what they are. The resemblance of Detroit to anywhere is closer to some of the suburbs of German cities at the end of WWII. Bombed, and damaged, but not flattened like some of the city centers.
Now, how would you like to buy a Chrysler product that these asshats worked on on the assembly line? http://www.torquenews.com/106/chrysler-ordered-rehire-workers-caught-drinking-smoking-pot-during-lunch
Video’d drinking and smoking pot on break, and Chrysler has to take them back? And, by their silence, I’m guessing that the arbitrator gave them back pay, too.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
I too worked for UPS for awhile and was forced to join the Teamsters. Yep, it sucked.
I had been considering buying a new car from Chrysler/Fiat (Jeep Grand Cherokee), but it looks like I will be looking at something other than Detroit built.
December 11th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Here is the difference in right to work versus union friendly:
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Virginia ranks 10th in the nation in unemployment (5.9 percent in July), had a budget surplus the past three years without increasing taxes and has mean hourly wages that top the national average.
Despite its similar geographic location, Maryland lags behind Virginia in unemployment (7 percent) and has lost three times as many jobs as Virginia since January 2007. Meanwhile, Maryland lawmakers struggle mightily to balance the state’s budget every year, passing major increases to personal income taxes earlier this year to help pay the bills.
Source: http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/mix-right-to-work-gives-virginia-the-advantage/article_09ec6c02-752a-5f24-82bb-a06e28e6f3fc.html
December 11th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
You stay classy, goons.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
I have worked at two union plants. I don’t know much about the union workers at the first plant, except that every single one of them that I knew was engaged in some form of free enterprise on the side. With respect to the second plant, the union stewards were all the most respected and productive workers on the site.
Both of these plants were in Texas, which had, and has, a right-to-work law. A right-to-work law does not get rid of unions, it makes them accountable to their members.
December 11th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
The unions mostly exist in Chicago, although I think the Toyota plant in Bloomington may be unionized. Not sure about that. But downstate, not so much. Even the teachers’ union is mostly in Chicago. If Chicago did not have such a large presence on the political map, the likelihood of unions having such a stranglehold on things would probably be very low.
Illinois still a farm state, after all. Corn and soybeans and wheat are something that farmers raise and they don’t hire migrant workers to do the combining. They do it themselves. The county I live in still has agricultural zoning, even though the housing boom took up a modest amount of farming land.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
@4- Nik. You do not have to pay union dues if you do not want to. Closed shops have been illegal since 1948. If you want to quit the union all you have to pay is a fee for negotiating your contract.
The fact that the dumb-ass Breitbart protege got his ass kicked gladens me. The fact that you’re such dumb-asses to take an edited video of a Breitbart protege seriously is beyond me.
Also, Snyder stated categorically that he would make no moves against unions. After his party lost power he realized that this was his last chance to go after unions, he rushed the legislation through in 90 minutes foregoing all normal debate and public input, ignored the will of the people who voted out these extremists, and tried to maneuver this so that it’s not subject to a referendum. And you’re calling the unions thugs?
The word “thug” applies, but to Scotty Snyder, not the unions.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Bullshit, sippy. Union goons are being, well, GOONS. And how do you explain the Dem. pol on the House floor with their, “there will be blood” comment?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Once again Insipid lives up to his name. Also if you had bothered to use what is left of that rotting pile you consider a brain you would know that the Wagner Act has not been repealed and closed shops are still legal. Once in a while you should try an argument using actual facts instead of the purile babblings you currently use.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Snyder was willing to pass on RTW, until the unions tried to get collective bargaining added to the MI state constitution, then it was game on. BTW Insipid, if the Republicans lost power in MI then pray tell, how did they get RTW passed?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
As I see it Insipid, despite all the money the unions spent on attempting to elect Democrats in MI, The Republicans have a 26-12 majority in the Senate and a 63-47 majority in the MI house, Oh and the Governor is a Republican. Pray tell, how in your warped little dungheap of a brain does that mean the Republicans lost power?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
And to further blow Insipids mind, Democrats bailing on their own party.
http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2012/dec/10/2-dems-to-work-with-gop-to-control-state-senate/?partner=popular
December 11th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Look up the Taft Hartley act, you moron. Closed shops have been illegal since 1948.
The representative in question walked back the comments today. All I need to do is mention the idea that maybe guns cause harm and someone from this site will threaten me or accuse me of cowardice or what have you. When you threaten to remove something that is of great value to someone, passions run high. Imagine if President Obama, or a governor of a heavily gunned state, passed a law banning guns in the state, in a lame duck session, and without debate. Do you honestly believe there wouldn’t be some “from my cold dead hands” statements?
Despite the claims of great violence from the Fox news/ Breitbart propogandists, there are no real credible reports of great violence. In fact the most violence i see is coming from the generous use of pepper spray from the police.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
What the fuck does Washington State have to do with anything here nucsnipe? Other than there are 6 Republicans in the Senate that are against what Walker is doing?
December 11th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
@25- Nucsnipe, really if you’re too fucking stupid to know what a lame duck session is, you’re too stupid to debate.
December 11th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Reward for arrest of said goons:
http://danaloeschradio.com/donors-offers-for-info-leading-to-arrest-of-union-thug/
December 12th, 2012 at 1:59 am
I’ve always said, unions are a form of Marxist thuggery in the worst form.
They should have had the Michigan N.G. there with fixed bayonets and live ammo.
And that worthless piece of dogshit , Jimmy Hoffa Jr. was on Tv tonight boo hooing about how Michigan has taken a step into the dark ages.
Unions might have had a place 70 years ago but they are irrelevant today.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:54 am
Since the decline of unions the base pay of workers has fallen steadily and the profits of corporations has soared. There was a reason why the average man could work one job and support his whole family and live well. Now we need two incomes to do the job one income did in the 50s. This was because we had hugely high taxes on the wealthy and 33% union members.
Also, historically the “thugs” have been the corporations, not the unions. Blood actually has been shed in obtaining union rights, and most of it has been the blood of union members. So shut the fuck up with all the “thug” talk.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:02 am
Apparently these “union thugs” are saving lives:
http://www.utexas.edu/law/colloquium/Do%20Unions%20Make%20a%20Difference.pdf
Non-union mines show significantly more accidents and fatalities.
Of course i’m sure you all hated the “union thugs” that raced into the twin towers on 911?
December 12th, 2012 at 4:31 am
It’s funny watching dudes in hard-hats protesting. Please…7 out of 10 chevys are made somewhere else and most union jobs are gov’t unions. The Motor City is in utter decay. Americans are some real brainiacs. Talk about going down with the ship.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:00 am
@22
You are fucking wrong.
I am fair share. That means I get a relative pittance back twice a year. The money they admit that goes to political. But for AFSCME local 3581 in the month of November, I had 64.89 taken out of my check. This is not my choice. I have to pay this to work there. I would rather negotiate my own salary. Perhaps then I wouldn’t be stuck at the bottom 2% of my job’s going total compensation (salary + benefits) while they fight for the lower rated professions to get raises.
Maybe when you’re done sucking up the talking points your handler gives you, you’re prepared to be admitted to an actual adult conversation.
December 12th, 2012 at 6:26 am
@36- and that was taken out after you paid taxes on it. Afscme sees that money as a tax-free donation.
I, too, am afscme, but I get no money back. Oh, and instupid- the difference between the negotiating fee and union dues is about four bucks a month. The only thing that declining to join the union does is it shorts the local of their dues. Afscme gets their cut, tax free thanks to NY state acting as their agent.
To take your asinine gun control point you tried to make earlier- imagine if your state, without consent, took a portion of your check and sent it to the NRA every month. Imagine how awesome it would be if smug, condescending conservatives told you that it was totally legit for you to be forced to provide a tax-free stream of revenue to the NRA, and that you should be happy, because they aren’t forcing you to actually join the NRA as a member for an extra four bucks a month. You’d probably say it was government corruption. That it was bullshit for your state to force all of its employees to feed an organization that provides benefits to the republican members of government; benefits like campaign donations, free adds, and election day manpower. Right?
December 12th, 2012 at 6:30 am
Sippy,
How does it feel to go through life with perpetual beer goggles? Crowder took everything that tub of shit threw at him and was still standing without fighting back, despite being quite well-versed in Mixed Martial Arts and capable of handing that guy’s ass right back to him with a side of ritz crackers.
Everything is right there on video, and all you can do is muster up your Internet tough guy shtick about how someone behaving peacefully and encouraging restraint deserves to be attacked. If fatass Union Jack doesn’t take Crowder’s offer to not press charges if he’ll fight in a ring, why don’t you go in his place if you’re so eager to encourage a beat down?
December 12th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Insipid, what about the punch at the back of his head as he appears to be walking away at about 1:00? Are you going to tell me that is something that he deserved?
It is jackasses like you that make me forget my manners when I debate Liberals. 95% of the ones I know, will sit down and talk in a reasonable manner with you. The other 5% make me want to forget my manners and act like an Obama supporter when confronted with facts.
December 12th, 2012 at 7:25 am
The union thug who punched Steven Crowder is *tentatively* ID’d as one, Tony Camargo, IBEW Local 876, Grand Rapids, MI. I do believe that getting both of them in the ring would be something short of what a blockbuster event used to be on HBO.
I was amazed and pleased with Crowder’s restraint and *not* going nuclear and handing that man’s ass back to him in a rather screwed up state of being. My wife said something about it last night, I told her the man would regret laying a hand on Crowder.
And for the record sippy, my money is on Crowder.
December 12th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Like I said, my money is on Crowder. IBEW Local 876′s Facebook page looks like their being over ran, lol.
December 12th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Insipid and other like him have learned their lessons well. They are the true believers who see organized labor as the proletariat who are inherently good and who can do no wrong. If, in fact, nonunion companies do have higher rates of accidents than union companies, that’s probably attributable to the fact that one is less likely to be hurt doing nothing (union) than he is actually working (nonunion). And that September 11 reference is a hit below the belt, a cheap shot. Most of those who ran into the towers were white and Christian too. Should we attribute their bravery to their skin color and religion?
December 12th, 2012 at 8:27 am
I guess Insipid is fine with thug union cowards trashing a tent with women, old people, and 2 people in wheelchairs in it so they can show how non-violent they are.
Of course, Insipid doesn’t know anything about union shops, because they are closed in states that don’t have “right to work” laws. I would like to see him come up here to the Peoples Republik and try to get a job in a union shop and then refuse to join the union. Unfortunately for Insipid, he would find out real quick that he wouldn’t even get a choice of whether he was joining, it just happens, and if he says he doesn’t want to join the union, they would ‘splain to him that he doesn’t have a choice, other than to quit his job.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Closed shops have been illegal since 1948.
Then explain to me, if you can sippy, why when I work in a “closed shop” state, while I “COULD” in theory not be a member of the union, I’m still required in a non-exempt position to “donate” an amount equal to dues to the union.
IOW, you don’t HAVE to be a member of the union, but they’re going to get your money, one way or another.
Oh, and saying Crowder deserved to be struck is like saying rape victims deserved to be violated…hey, if they wouldn’t be walking around at night dressed like sluts, ya know…
YMMV.
December 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am
In Maine, it’s closed shops for certain. You cannot work for the State of Maine without having joined the Government Employee’s Union, nor can you work at Bath Iron Works without belonging to one of the unions there.
Hell, even the University of Maine system has a long-term contract with the Teamsters for providing most of their public works. It sucked when I was there because the Teamsters made sure that little, if any, student work hours were available.
Maine needs a Right-To-Work law. This nation needs a National one. Free men and free markets are the foundation of our liberties. Without them, we are all just slaves on a government plantation.
December 12th, 2012 at 9:35 am
“The fact that the dumb-ass Breitbart protege got his ass kicked gladens me.”
Once again someone from the “tolerant” left shows their true colors.
December 12th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Insipid is a dope: If Closed shops have been illegal since 1948, why did I have to be a Teamsters member to work for Bender Loudon Motor Freight in Michigan in 73? Why did I have to be a member of the Teamsters to be a “casual” for all the Freight barns in Flint Michigan from 72-75? Why did I have to be a member of the Operating Engineers to work on the Interstate Highway construction in Michigan, Colorado n Utah in the late 60s, and late 70s? Every time I have tried to live in Michigan, (to please my ex-wife), Unionism caused me to have to “buy my job”. Every time I have moved out of Michigan it has been to INCREASE my weekly paycheck in NON UNION employment. At 72 years old, (and still working when I care to), I have never, ever had an employer criticize my work. I have often had a shop steward or other union person tell me that I needed to slow down that I was killing the job or making others look bad.
Insipid is a dope.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Insipid,
Nice propoaganda piece written by an academic.
Here’s reality. Try it on for size, pal.
Unions controlled by organized crime:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-01-21/news/27096212_1_crime-family-dino-calabro-extortion
I don’t think the Daily News is controlled by Gov. Snyder or the Tea Party.
Oh, and here’s Obama’s FBI take on why unions are so great in 2011:
http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2011/genovese-organized-crime-family-soldier-and-associates-indicted-on-racketeering-charges-including-extortion-of-international-longshoremen2019s-association-members
You think Gov. Snyder or Gov. Walker had something to with that too, sport?
Funny thing is, the leadership of the ILA allowed the mob to extort ITS OWN MEMBERS. Gee. So much for standing up for the worker, huh, Insipid?
Hey, even in Canada the unions are cash cows for organized crime.
http://www.stop-mcguinty.com/unions_organized_crime.html
WTFU, Insipid.
December 12th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Hey Sippy. Care to explain why I had to pay initiation and union dues to the aerospace and machinist local in Seattle after getting hired on (a very extensive process too) in a union shop, even though Washington State is a right to work state?
December 12th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Whats up with Chris “The F(*&^ing Hammer” Opalweski…the young man who shouts about “killing plenty of MotherF**&^s with a gun”
http://www.myspace.com/finghammer
December 12th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I’ve never been in a union, but my wife’s first job happened to be in a union shop. After she completed all of her schooling and training and got the job the union started sending her threatening letters from their lawyer about how they were going to get her fired if she didn’t join the union. So she did.
Then, when another company bought the place, there was a vote among the employees about whether they were going to remain a union shop. Again, union stewards openly threatened employees who they suspected were going to vote against them. On the day of the vote, most of the employees who would have voted against the union just didn’t vote after incidents of car-keying and open threats of violence.
I suspect that’s how many unions remain in the workplace.
December 12th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Here’s a good article about Right to work in Michigan.
The point brought is that Michinga is a very large Union state….and even they can’t argue that unions bring higher wages since Michigan ranks 36th in Income levels in the US.
http://www.freep.com/article/20121212/COL06/312120134/Tom-Walsh-There-should-be-an-uproar-in-Michigan-all-right-but-not-about-right-to-work?odyssey=mod%7Cdefcon%7Cimg%7CFRONTPAGE
December 12th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
I know that my brother-in-law was asked by his union to sign Gov. Walker’s recall petition. The funny thing is that my brother-in-law lives, works, is a resident of, and union is in Indiana.
December 12th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
@50 Bret–nice find. I’m guessing if an FOIA was dropped on him it would be less-than-likely our boy here was an 11- or 18-series MOS. YMMV.
December 12th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Silent-protests-after-Mich-right-to-work-action-4111896.php
lol at those tools with the tapes on their mouths
December 12th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
This article in the news this morning says there is a ripple effect expected:
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economywatch/michigans-right-work-will-ripple-across-us-1C7559684
Wisconsin is already a right-to-work state. It may happen in Illinois, but only if Rahmbo turns into a union-buster. As much as he’s a control freak, it could happen. Gov. Quinn won’t do that.
I’d like to see it happen, especially after the most recent teachers’ union strike, which took place — naturally — the day school was to start. I wanted to go downtown and yell ‘get your lazy asses back to work’. If the train tickets hadn’t gone up so much (transit union demands), I might have.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
IBEW Local 876 – Facebook page – gone.
December 12th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
How did the unions lose? They haven’t pulled out any of the judges they have on the payroll. Probably be a signed injunction against this RTW law by nightfall.
December 12th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
@55
Thanks for that, Tman. They all look and sound much better that way.
December 12th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Insipid…you’re sooo tolerant, aren’t you? When words and and threats don’t work, then it’s okay if you beat the shit out of people or do things that could cause harm? Wow. It would suck to be you.
Steven Crowder earned earned himself some brass as part of Breitbart’s Army, hell, yeah!! Breitbart. Is. Here.
PS Nik…posted your words of wisdom on my FB.
December 12th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
The idiot is on MySpace in 2012….That says it all right there. He must be into teen girls.
Whats up with Chris “The F(*&^ing Hammer” Opalweski…the young man who shouts about “killing plenty of MotherF**&^s with a gun”
http://www.myspace.com/finghammer
December 12th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
And the unions did everyone a favor at Hostess as well. What was it, 18,000 lost jobs because of one union?
December 12th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I was a member of the IBEW in the 80′s while working in the shipyards. The union bosses fed untold millions of dollars to Democrat politicians for years. Our contract expired with little or no negotiations from the employer.All the yards on the west coast were members of an association that bargained with all the unions under a master contract. while negotiations were underway our employer resigned from the association and suspended talks. The day the contract expired we were locked out. It was not a strike,but a lockout. Ti was a blatant attempt to break the unions there. Not one of the demo pols made a peep. No denunciations. No righteous indignation. Crickets. Per state law we were not eligible for unemployment coverage. Even though we were locked out, the state (run by the same democrats) considered us in a labor dispute. At least the Ship Builders Association convinced a federal judge that the lockout was illegal as unfair to competition. All of these Democrats we had funded for years were powerless to help. The worst part of this story is that I was, and am, a conservative Republican voter. The union used my hard earned dues to pay for a bunch of chicken shit hand wringers.
PS When the replacement workers(scabs) were told that the judge had ordered them off the property they trashed the ships under construction and it took us several months to redo all the work they had done as it would not pass the Navy inspections.
December 12th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
@62. Yeah, the big bad corporations are always bluffing. The White House and Dept of Ed has been killing the sales of those foods deemed to be unhealthy. So, fewer sales means less product and less product means cuts. It’s not too tough to follow–unless you’re a union convinced that the big bad corporation is bluffing, that is.
December 13th, 2012 at 3:33 am
@60- Yeah, i kind of remember your guys collective orgasms every time the “filthy hippies” of the occupy movement got pepper sprayed. Breitbart and company have done nothing good in this world. I’m glad the fat fuck’s heart had an attack. Small wonder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4od4QQVK1o
Sometimes the bad do die young. If there is a hell, i’m sure he’s rotting in it.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:29 am
More people automatically enrolled in public sector unions here than you had originally thought, and now you’re attempting to change the subject to distract from the schooling you recieved on the continued use of “closed shop” nonsense.
You’re pathetic.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:41 am
Sippy the Pinhead was merely dissembling, folks. He was telling some of the truth but not all of it, leaving out critical details. As many here have observed, reality is actually exactly the opposite of what he was implying.
Closed shops are indeed technically illegal under Taft-Hartley. However, union shops – which are the 100% functional equivalent of closed shops – are still completely legal in states without right to work laws.
The distinction between the two is this: a closed shop only hires union members; if you’re not already a union member, you don’t even get considered. A union shop will hire non-union members; however, any non-union members hired must join the union within a specified period of time (typically 30 days). If they opt not to join the union, they are either fired – or are forced to pay the union an amount equivalent to union dues anyway, regardless of union membership, as a condition of employment. (Theoretically the employee is not required to pay the amount of dues attributable to political activity on the part of the union. Good luck with that.)
And, for what it’s worth: Sippy’s deception appears deliberate. He is the one who brought up the “closed shop” issue and loudly proclaimed closed shops to be illegal.
Not even a good smokescreen, Sippy. And it’s not a good idea to piss on people’s legs and tell them it’s raining, either.
December 13th, 2012 at 7:14 am
All that vile bile, all that vitriol, spouted by that slag-rumped, flap-mouthed hedge-pidgeon….
That surely does sound to me like someone is a sore loser.
December 13th, 2012 at 8:29 am
@65: Well, I remember the filthy hippies doing illegal shit as to the reason they got pepper sprayed. Of course, you know all that, but it doesn’t stop you from displaying your deceit for everyone else to see. I didn’t see anyone from AFP doing anything illegal, but I did see the fatass union thugs doing plenty of illegal shit. I, also, saw them trash a minority’s hot dog stand and scream racial epithets at him (there’s more of that tolerance on the left, again), but yet you come on here and espect anyone to believe your bullshit?
December 13th, 2012 at 10:49 am
@67- and don’t forget prevailing wage laws. For areas that labor unions have priced themselves out of work, they make their pocket politicians pass a law that states all the other businesses match union labor rates. Sure helps out those mom and pop shops and small independent contractors, which is who insipid, as a progressive, really cares about… right?
December 13th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
I guess when Insipid’s lies fail, he’s got nothing left but to cheer for the deaths of others.
Typical face of the Leftists.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
@71- My “cheering” is nothing compared to the shit Breitbart said concerning the death of Ted Kennedy. If it was good for Brietbart to call Ted Kennedy a “villain,” a “duplicitous bastard” and a “prick” then all bets are off concerning what we call him.
@67- Hondo. First off, i’m begging you, for your own good to PLEASE get a new metaphor. This “piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining” metaphor is so dumb in all respects 1. It’s not even your metaphor 2. It’s not even all that clever in the first place. 3. repeating the same metaphor over and over makes us believe that you either forgot that you’ve used the metapor or you think that WE’VE forgot that you used the metapor. Either way you look pretty adle minded.
As far as the rest of your post, it is, as always with you, pure bullshit. 1. BY LAW the fair use payments cannot be “the equivelent” of union dues. 2. BY LAW all you are required to pay is the cost that the union pays for arbitrating your salary and benefits. 3. BY LAW you are entitled to see the cost of the negotiations and to arbitrate the difference if you think it is too high. So basically you’re arguing for someont being a free loader. Enjoying all the benefits of Union without paying any of the costs. Of course you’re also for free-loaders who don’t want to pay health insurance so i guess i shouldn’t be surprised that you’re for free-loaders who will accept the benefits of higher pay and better benefits but also do not want to pay for them.
@51- Jonn- Threatening to have someone fired for not joining a union is highly illegal. The notion that a lawyer would send such a letter is laughable. But if they did, send a copy of the letters to the NLRB and get them disbarred.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
@69- Old Trooper- the tea partiers were also doing “illegal shit” when they were intentionally disrupting town hall meetings. Or is disturbing the peace and creating a public nuisance no longer illegal? Or is “illegal shit” ok as long as they’re advocating causes you’re for? Either way, if someone is doing “illegal shit” the proper remedy is to arrest them, not to arbitrarily spray pepper spray in their faces.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Ted Kennedy
Okay, he’s not a villain then. How about “murderer” instead?
BY LAW the fair use payments cannot be “the equivelent” of union dues.
“Employees, as of the effective date of this Agreement, will be required, as a condition of employment, to tender to the Local Union on a bi-weekly basis, Union membership dues OR A SERVICE FEE (emphasis mine) specified by the Local Union.”
Now where did I pull that out of, sippy? My ass? No–try our union contract. What that says is that I can “opt out” of the union but they still get an equivalent to my dues as a condition of employment. And that payment of these dues is, as stated above, A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT. PERIOD.
Now go fetch your fuckin shine box.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
intentionally disrupting town hall meetings
So I’m sure you can come up with a list of those folks who were arrested for disrupting same, or assaulting those with whom they disagreed. Hell, I’ll just settle for a video or two.
We’ll be here, waiting.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@73:
What illegal shit were the tea party types doing? As I recall, a young black man selling Gadsen flags outside a townhall meeting in St. Louis was attacked by white union thugs and no one was arrested for that and the msm made very little mention of it. As for disrupting townhall meetings; yeah, I can see where you would think that questioning your representative is considered illegal, when the whole purpose of the townhall is to answer questions from your constituents. Of course, when the representative didn’t like the question, they would have security go over and silence the questioner, like that whiney broad outside of Chicago did. Funny thing is, there were a whole lot of purple shirts (SEIU for the uninformed) in the audience at most of the townhalls and some of them even admitted to being paid to be there. Yep, real grass roots concerned citizenry there.
Go sell your bullshit somewhere else, junior, because I ain’t buying it.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
@#73 – As I have said time and time again, the “tea partiers” you are referring to came from YOUR side of the fence ala Lyndon LaRoushe and CPUSA, you dingleberry.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
@72
Two wrongs make a right. Typical example of Leftist tolerance.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
OT–my former (and sadly, future) Congresscritter, Carol Che-Pelosi was also famous (notorious) for pulling that shit.
Never hold a townhall meeting, or if she did, only let her supporters in and give out “golden tickets” (I shit you not) which allowed the holders to ask her fluff questions.
Trust me, I’ve talked to this woman, and to say she’s a vacuous ditz would be putting it mildly. Not an original thought in this woman’s head.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
@75- No need to wait long. Three people were arrested here for disrupting a town hall meeting with Paul Ryan:
http://www.politicususa.com/paul-ryan-town-hall-arrest.html
And here’s someone being arrested for disrupting a town hall meeting with Allen West:
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/nicole-sandler-arrested-allen-wests-town-ha
So, once again Republicans proving they are pussies who can dish it out, but can’t take it.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Fuck you, sippy–you and your kind know nothing but disruption and throwing little temper tantrums.
The intent of my question was for you to provide us with examples of Tea Partiers being arrested for disrupting or assaulting those with whom they disagreed, you mindless drone, and you know fucking well and good you can’t do it.
Bottom line, who does the projecting? And who’s “dishing” what out, exactly? Last time I checked, I didn’t see conservatives beating down hippies crying for free shit at OWS, for example.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
@78- Fuck off, Nik. I never said i was tolerant. If you want everything nice and polite get off the internet and join a sewing circle. This whole talking point of “liberal tolerance” is designed to set our side at a disadvantage. You get to say and act any way you please and also clutch your pearls when you get a small taste of your own medicine. I’m not playing your game. Yes, I am intolerant to bigots and bastards like Breitbart. Deal.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
If they indeed broke the law they should be arrested, same as anyone else. If convicted, they should be punished, same as anyone.
Now personally, if I were going to be arrested, I’d much rather go up for disturbing a town hall meeting than assault and destruction of personal property.
It would be interesting to see how many of those Tea Partiers assaulted and destroyed the property of someone just because they didn’t agree with them.
Which is beside the point. One person or group’s poor behavior doesn’t excuse another person or group of theirs.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Again, sippy–fuck you, you fucking fuck. Again, show me where CONSERVATIVES have physically attacked liberals at their gatherings, etc, like the left has physically and verbally attacked the right for DECADES.
December 13th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
@82
Case in point. Incapable of holding a rational discussion.
You’re wrong. Deal.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Well, then, I guess Little Miss Puffy Pants told you guys!
December 13th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Comment 72 above isn’t even a nice try, Sippy. Calling you a pinhead might well be giving you credit you don’t deserve.
First: in attacking my choice of words, you’re obviously engaging in smokescreen and attempting to change the subject – again. You’re doing so poorly and transparently, and are fooling no one.
Second: in this case the metaphor is apt. You’re obviously attempting to deliberately mislead; I’m calling you on it. That’s exactly what the metaphor implies. Don’t like hearing it? Then quit attempting to mislead.
Third: I’ll damn well use whatever metaphors, similes, or other figures of speech I please when pointing out your ignorance. You have no say in the matter. Don’t like that fact? Tough. Not your call.
Fourth: as NHSparky observed above, it is perfectly legal in states without a RTW law for an amount equal to union dues to be involuntarily required from non-union employees in a union shop as a “service fee”. Since the amount is the same, that makes it “equivalent” (in monetary terms) to union dues. So you’re dissembling about that, too.
Fifth: as I expressly noted above, a non-union employee in a union shop can indeed avoid paying for union activities unrelated to collective bargaining. (At least in theory they can. Whether they can actually manage to do so is another story.) So can union members. You conveniently ignored the fact that I already mentioned that in your ignorant rant above.
Sixth: In actual practice, an individual who does not agree with union politics and who therefore doesn’t want to fund that portion of union activities is made to jump through hoops to avoid paying for union political and related activities. Indeed, such individuals are generally required to pay their union dues/”service fees” in full up-front, and then apply for a “refund” of funding deemed “politically related” after the fact (union members who cross the union and request return of political contributions often also get other “special attention” like keyed cars, death threats, beatings, broken windows, and the like). The unions make it as difficult and cumbersome as possible for people to do this as they can in the hope that people will give up and let the union keep the extra $$$. And it’s generally the union that determines what fraction of union dues are related to “political activities”, not an independent agency.
In other words: all the union really cares about is getting their dues (or equivalent). Once they have the cash, they could care less about individual members. And they’ll pull out all the stops to keep every penny by means legal or otherwise.
Seventh: I see you screaming like a spoiled child who didn’t get their way above about “freeloading”. However, I don’t see the outrage over the forcible violation of freedom of association caused by union shops. Freedom of association includes the freedom NOT to associate with – or fund – a group whose aims you do not support. (Indeed, the SCOTUS has explicitly equated political funding and free speech recently.) I expected no difference from you; you’re all for freedom when it supports your concept of what “should be” in your preferred “Progressive utopia”, but are dead-set against it when it doesn’t.
In any case: the “freeloading” argument is a load of crap. Forcing a person to join (or fund) an organization with whose objectives they don’t agree is a violation of basic human rights as well as the Constitution. Compulsory membership/compulsory support under such conditions is simply not consistent with a free society. But it was common in the former USSR, if I recall correctly.
You cannot possibly be stupid enough to have been ignorant of all of the above, Sippy. I am thus forced to conclude you are a deliberately mendacious tool.
December 13th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
@84: Don’t forget Al “cheap shot” Franken, who bragged that he tackled a guy from behind who was heckling the speaker at a democrat rally. Yeah, that’s some real tolerance for the 1st Amendment right there. The thing is; Insipid can’t give any examples of conservatives physically attacking leftists at protests or rallies, but we have countless examples with actual footage of it happening to conservatives at the hands of leftist/commie assholes. Insipid is trying to defend the indefensible.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Ah, Ted Kennedy…the last of the Kennedy dynasty…the family that brought up their male children to be male sluts. Yes, I remember it well, while my mother was practically creaming her jeans over Jack Kennedy because of his charisma. When I asked her what she meant by that, she said “sex appeal”. Not his intellect. Not his brilliance — of the three Kennedy brothers in government, he really was smarter than Bobby and Teddy, who tried to cheat on his Spanish test and got tossed out of Harvard for it and then his daddy bought his way back in.
Ted Kennedy could not live down the FACT that he drove his car off a bridge with Mary Jo Kopechne in it, when he was drunk. He left her there to drown while he staggered back up the road to get help of some kind, and then couldn’t get his story straight.
See, I remember these things because I was in my teens while they were going on. I was a freshman in college when Jack Kennedy was assassinated. I was in history class when someone came to the door and told us what had happened.
It wasn’t until the only one of those three left was Ted, that the dirt really began piling up, especially after Marilyn Monroe killed herself and Jackie Kennedy married Ari Onassis to get her kids away from the Kennedys and their ‘clan’.
So — Ted Kennedy a duplicitous bastard? Well, his parents were married, so he’s not a bastard in the true sense of the word, but duplicitous? Oh, yeah — in spades. When he tried to run for president, the first thing that came up was Mary Jo Kopechne’s death. He never lived it down.
The problem with being a male slut in politics is that it always catches up to you and frequently is exposed to the bright sunlight of daytime news. I think Bill Clinton found that out the hard way after Monica Lewinski gave a graphic and vulgar blow-by-blow account of having sex with Slick Willy.
I remember Hillary’s face in videos on the news, shot while the two of them were leaving church after that all came out. If looks could kill, Willy would have been leaving church in a coffin. She was ANGRY.
It’s not really appropriate for the President of the USA to be getting a blow job when he’s on the phone with the JCS or Secretary of State.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Ex-PH2: no doubt John Kennedy was brighter than Ted. But I think you may be selling Bobby Kennedy short. Of the group, he seems to have had the least dirt associated with him. And I’m not sure he wasn’t as bright – or perhaps even brighter – than John.
December 13th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
That’s possible, Hondo, but we’ll never know. He was, in fact, the only one of the three who actually campaigned on behalf of the civil rights movement and black voter registration in the south. So it’s possible. I do know that Jimmy Hoffa and J. Edgar Hoover both disliked Bobby, and Hoover, who kept dossiers on everyone, actually hated him.
Gee, that makes me wonder — did Hoover have a dossier on me? Can I get it back?
December 13th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
I guess the hot dog guy who was just selling hot dogs in the tent had it coming too.
According to him, after they collapsed the tent, the perps formed a line and walked one end to the other trying to stomp anyone who was in the tent.
Hot dog guy must be guilty of aiding and abetting.