Patrick Haab; Anti-immigrant phony
A few years ago, you might have heard about Patrick Haab who held seven illegal immigrants at gun point in Arizona’s Maricopa County. He claimed he was an Army Reservist sergeant who had just come back from an Iraq deployment and, of course, suffered from PTS. He was featured on Fox News’ old Hannity & Colmes Show at the time.
Well, you know the story already because he’s showing up on TAH. Scotty did the research and chased down his records.
Yup, a couple of months in the Guard and a few months in the Reserves. He did rocket up to PV2, which almost like a sergeant, right? And who hasn’t suffered from combat stress after counting bullets as an ammo handler? From his records, it doesn’t look like he even went to basic training, yet somehow he finagled a job training young cadets in Kentucky and wearing Sergeant rank.
So, whatever line he’s using works. He fooled the media then and now some military school.
OK, here’s the DD214 he sent me. It looks like he was a sergeant, but I don’t see any service in Iraq or Kuwait. He has a Kosovo Campaign Medal and a UN Medal, but it looks like his OEF Support was pulled from Michigan. In the comments, you can see that he said “I mistakenly said Iraq when I meant Kuwait and said Special Forces when I meant Special Operations” because those six (or seven) illegal aliens had him all discombobulated. Like he was on drugs for his PTS when he was arrested, even though it looks like he only deployed to Kosovo. Anyway, judge for yourself;
I altered some of the addresses and his birth date.
December 14th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Another day, another phony who “fools” the media and those around him/her.
No more excuses, just lazy journalism and lazy people not wanting to do the most basics of research on “veterans” and their claims.
December 14th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
these scumbags are coming outta the woodwork in droves now!
December 14th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Hell, I’ve got more time in the chow line than he does for his entire military “career”.
Also, what the heck is “US Army Cadets”? Guess you can get anything sewn on a name tape.
December 14th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
What the Monkey Fuck are the US ARMY CADETS?
December 14th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Had a newly minted Captain get “Crunch” as his name tape as a joke. You CAN get anything put on a name tape.
Army Cadets is a youth program that is pretty wonky. There are marine cadets, navy cadets, etc. I’d never send my kid to that… I’d almost guarantee it’s full of imposters like this jack bat.
December 14th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Turd.
December 14th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
@4 Lucky,
A fan of Action Figure Therapy?? LOL~
December 14th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
He used the combat experienced PTSD issue in order to have the charges dropped against him in AZ. I would love to see Sheriff Joe get his hands on him now.What a POS !
December 14th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Me no understando. How does one do a couple months in the NG and pop into the reserves for less than a year and then out? I mean, is prior service possible here? I just don’t get it.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Not seeing a combat patch.
Poser.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
The U.S. Army Cadet Corps is a career exploration program for young people age 12-18, similar to the Naval Sea Cadets and Civil Air Patrol. For details, go to http://www.goarmycadets.org. The program also hosts Forest Hill Military Academy. For details, go to http://www.goforesthill.com .
The above individual is no longer associated with the U.S. Army Cadet Corps as of two weeks ago.
Joseph M. Land, Sr.
COL, AG, U.S. Army Cadet Corps
Acting Commander
Millersburg, KY
December 14th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
#11 May we ask?
December 14th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
2-17 Air Cav: I’d guess an entry level separation in the first case, and either an ELS or another type of admin discharge for the latter. But those are only guesses.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Here is a picture of other folks with the US Army Cadets thing.
http://www.goarmycadets.com/service-in-other-cadet-programs.php
I guess it is somewhere between boy-scouts and CAP. I am not sure what if any DOD connection it has or claims to have. I will be honest. These groups weird me out. That said, I suppose there is no harm in “lets play dress up and pretend” and they may actually do some good for some kids so… I’ll keep an open mind. Does anyone here know more about them?
December 14th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
VI: I’m guessing they may have gotten an advance copy of the FOIA above, or got tipped by phone and contacted NPRC themselves. But that’s just a guess.
Too bad/so sad.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Hondo–That’s what I was suspecting, but just morbidly curious.
December 14th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Thank you for the update Joseph M. Land, Sr.
COL, AG, U.S. Army Cadet Corps
He was arrested two weeks ago for having a concealed weapon on school grounds. So I would assume that is the reason for his dismissal?
December 14th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
#5-yup- while mobilizing for a deployment in Camp Shelby, our company got one of our “special” soldiers a name tap.
It said “tore up” as that was his nickname.
December 14th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Being a Navy guy, I was wondering the same thing as #9. Maybe he was a DEPer in the NG, never went to BCT, and then joined the USAR later?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
How about doing some REAL research on updated records…I’ll post them if possible. Already e-mailed the admin
December 14th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
@20. So, what’s the deal? Were you prior service or what? The records will back you up so how about sharing?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
How easy is it to take public record and use only what you need to support an unsubstantiated claim against a situation the general public is unknowledgeable about and posting it on a blog? How immature and just unprofessional are the people supporting the Forest Hill command? How many more lawsuits are they wanting??
December 14th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
And I was fired from USAC for unknown reasons, hoping to go over that soon with them.
The Arizona incident did happen and all charges were dropped before going to court. A lot of media releases were half-truths with little factual information. If you want to know the REAL story and what ACTUALLY happened, are you going to trust the left-wing media or the person in the situation and the witnesses? And yes, while on the phone with the 911 dispatcher, I mistakenly said Iraq when I meant Kuwait and said Special Forces when I meant Special Operations.
Like I said earlier, ask me anything you want and I’ll provide original records.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
@23. Well, is the FOIA accurate and is that the extent of your US military service?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
@22. Unless you, too, are Haab, instead of blaming others for the gov’t-supplied record, what was Haab’s service? Just trying to help get the truth out here–with records to corroborate, of course.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
@24 No, I was promoted to SGT, E-5 and received an honorable discharge in 2007 after serving since 2001 in the Civil Affairs which is 90-95% Reservists.
The arrest two weeks ago for carrying a weapon on school grounds was a MAJOR set up! I was a sworn Special Law Enforcement Peace Officer at Forest Hill Military Academy/USAC and had worn a weapon since the day I started there 6 months ago. I never had any disciplinary issues, just like my military career.
I was told by ‘COL’ Joe Land on Thursday that weapons were going to be banned on campus. I immediately said ‘if that’s the case, I quit’. He stated ‘Don’t do that, we’ll discuss it later’. An email was put out to all personnel that weapons were banned on post. I never had a ‘work’ email and didn’t read this email right away. Rather than ‘discussing it with me later’, the Kentucky State Police were called to arrest someone with a weapon on post.
More to come later…
December 14th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
To Air Cav?
You are just trying to get the truth out there? By using inept research and without the use of actual military service records? Do you normally go public so ill-prepared? I think this matter should be addressed only by the officials investigating not someone with nothing better to do than to try and blindly find fault against others. As a friend of SGT Haab I am fully aware of his service to this country including a tour in Kuwait and one in Kosovo with full accommodations for outstanding service.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
My inbox is empty. But that phrase “I mistakenly said Iraq when I meant Kuwait and said Special Forces when I meant Special Operations” is pretty damning in the interim.
December 14th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
@28 If you were just rushed by 6 illegal aliens in the middle of a desert, would you be able to articulate everything perfectly?
December 14th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
And no, I’m not posting under anything but ‘SGT HAAB’ My friend, sitting across the room is however and I wouldn’t piss my friend off because they give not a shit.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Go ahead and Google my name and it’ll pull up false news reports of ‘shocking new evidence’ and ‘the truth about SGT Haab’. Go to the source for fuck’s sake
December 14th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
@27. Okay, dickweed, have it your own way. I tried to be nice but you want to be a prick. Read all of the comments a-hole and you will notice that mine inquired only HOW Aaab could be in and out of the NG and reserves so quiockly. So, go screw yourself. You had the opportunity to respond to one person here willing to try a reasonable exchange and you flubbed that all kinds of up. Did I tell you yet to go screw yourself?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
So, Haab. Is that your ‘tude too, same as Weally’s?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Who is Weally? If you are implying me I do not have an attitude only an educated outlook on not bashing people publicly.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Still waiting for your “research” that I should have done. the only thing I have is an email telling me how you’re going to send me something.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
@33, somewhat but not to such an extent. Working on getting my DD214 scanned now, hopefully it’ll let me attach it somehow…f
December 14th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
# 30 HAAB. 1. Stop calling yourself Sgt. Your FOIA clearly shows that you was only a PVT ( E- 2) 2. Stop claiming that you was in any foreign country because your 2-1 file clearly shows that you wasn’t. 3. Stop claiming that you served 6 years in the Army because your FOIA clearly shows that you only served a max. of 12 months in the NG & Reserves. How do I know this? We had your name ,current address & SSN # when we filed a sf-180 form on you. Your a POS liar that has been busted. Now either produce a letter of apology for your lies & stand down from your embellishments or STFU !
December 14th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
@35 I sent you an e-mail???
December 14th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Hey Scotty, how about you SHUT THE FUCK UP! You obviously only got part of my records.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
I originally joined the NG as an E2, got discharged and joined the Reserves where I was promoted to E5. Rather than bash, how about you wait for me to provide records. Low life POS
December 14th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
In case anyone hadn’t figured it out yet: the individuals posting as “Really????” and “SGT HAAB” are posting from the same IP address. My guess is that we have another case of a
December 14th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Yes, you sent me an email;
December 14th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
@34. Well, Weally, I do not know what an educated outlook is and, thus far, you are the only one who has been bashed. The other material seems to have come from the government that Haab appears to have served as a National Guardsman for two months. You two keep talking and saying nothing. Have you threatened the lawsuit yet? Have you attributed the absence of recodrs to administrative error yet? Have you promised, yet, to forward the records that substantiate claims of some additional service? I see that you did blame the leftists, as if that’s going to carry some currency here. It does not. In short, you two are hitting all of the prerequisites for running the BULLSHIT flag up the pole, followed by a snappy salute.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Discharged from the NG with less than 3 months & then joined the reserves for 9 months making e-5 & then discharged ? We have what is on file from the NPRC on you stupid.Please produce a dd-214 showing more than what your FOIA shows. I’ll make sure the FBI gets a copy of your forged document/s
December 14th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Yes, when you are on the same wireless network, you’ll have the same IP adress. Want my physical address if you have a problem with it?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
E-5 over, what, 3-4 months? Wow! That’s amazing. It usually takes a good 5-6 months to make E-5 nowadays!
December 14th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Hey Scotty, haven’t you already been told to SHUT THE FUCK UP??? You’ll be reported to the FBI for defamation, dumb fuck
December 14th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
“How about doing some REAL research on updated records…I’ll post them if possible. Already e-mailed the admin”
I can’t wait. How the hell does someone make E-5 that quickly?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Yes, they do. Especially when they’re coming over the same BellSouth DSL connection originating in Winchester, KY.
And no, I don’t need the physical address. I haven’t lost anything there.
DSL connections are typically, but not exclusively, residential locations. So I’ll stick by my guess of “sock puppet” – or a buddy acting as same.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
PLEASE report me # 47.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
There it is…. Never heard of anyone reporting defamation to the FBI before. Please hurry and have your “friend” help scan your proof.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Good job, Scotty. You just earned the duo another check on the prerequisite list.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Yes I realize from your comments you have no idea what the definition of “Educated outlook” is and how it applies. As SGT Haab noted we are on the same wireless network.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Let me know if you need the links & e-mails on where to report Really ???? .
December 14th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Actually, “Really????” . . . it was you who noted the point about the same wireless network sharing an IP address.
But since you say that was “SGT HAAB” who made that observation, I guess that must mean . . . . you’ve just exposed yourself as being the sock puppet.
Thanks for playing.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
No that was SGT Haab. I am Pamela K. Asbury. Would you like to google me sir?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Ok, just e-mailed my DD214 to John, who I didn’t realize was the admin I e-mailed. A friend called me and told me about this website so I’m not familiar with it and just tried posting my records myself but either you can’t or I can’t figure it out
December 14th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Really???? – you might want to check comment 45 above. That’s the one that mentions a common IP address for the same wireless network. It appears to be yours.
Not even a nice try.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Snappy Salute 2-17 Air Cav………LMAOOOoooooo
December 14th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Is that your best defense? Calling me a sock puppet? I bet if I was supporting your tirade we would not be having this conversation but since I am supporting SGT Haab it is a different story and I am a sock puppet. I like when you were unable to intelligently debate this issue you resorted to infantile name calling. Enough said about his opposition don’t you think?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Pamela? With a nastier mouth than mine? Geez, what’s the world coming to?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Really???? – no, I’m referring to you as a “sock puppet” because that’s the accepted vernacular for using a fake persona to support a point of view in an on-line discussion in order to make others falsely believe you have supporters. We see it here at TAH fairly often.
If I were going to call you names, I’d probably start off with something like “asshole”, “jackass”, or “shithead”. But I haven’t done that.
Yet.
Any time you want to engage in an intelligent discussion regarding the fact that your records don’t match your claims, Haab – we’re ready to do exactly that.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
@53. “Educated outlook” Sorry. Can’t find it in the dictionary. I may not be as well educated as you so why don’t you take this opportunity and school me on that term?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Nasty mouth? I did not resort to name calling or profanity. Why is an intelligent comment nasty. Is it because when I called you out you could not comment? You just resort to high school tactics?
December 14th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Hondo: You’re a bright and learned fellow. Can you tell me what an “educated outlook” is? I find it terribly disconcerting that I am at a loss on this but I am not too proud to request assistance.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Sorry boys but I made my point that maybe you aren’t the source people who want to form an educated opinion of SGT Haab should be listening too. And you did that all by yourselves…Good job!!!
December 14th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
@64 read comment #47.
December 14th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
#66–I’m educated. May I, then, engage you?
The preponderance of the evidence here and at Scotty’s tells me SGT Haab isn’t telling the unvarnished truth.
I stand ready to see the documents from him that show the NPRC request fulfillment was incomplete, even though it was requested with SGT Haab’s full name and SSN.
Although it means little (as SGT Haab claims to have left the service in 2007), there is only one Haab in AKO, also…a civilian who works in New Orleans.
Oh, and Pamela? Haab hasn’t friended you on Facebook, if you’ve asked him to.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Guys,
There are indications that the records Scotty got from the FOIA are incomplete. Not that I’m passing any judgement yet, but when he was arrested in April 2005, the Sheriff’s office obtained his records and discovered that he was removed from his unit in Kuwait in Feb 2004. Without going into all the details around it, that piece shows that his service did extend to at least past the point of what the FOIA has.
- http://caselaw.findlaw.com/az-court-of-appeals/1424128.html
- http://www.uasports.net/forums/show.aspx?id=87659&forumid=5
December 14th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I saw a study recently regarding folks who use multiple question marks and exclamation points to end sentences. If I recall correctly, the researcher found those who abuse punctuation to be compensating for writings largely devoid of meaningful content, tend to have limited cognitive facilities, and are usually drawn to self-absorbed mates. Hmmm.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Still waiting on that paperwork from you Really???? stupid…PV2 Haab !
December 14th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
@69. Well, now, that begins to make sense, at least to me. Prior service. Was that too tough to explan? How many freakin’ times did I ask numbnuts and his girly spokesman that question? Two? Three?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
# 69, I saw that also & we’ve been investigating that claim to be certain that it is legit.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
#64 Did not resort to name-calling or profanity? What? Do you read your own posts? Seriously. This is yours on post 47 above: Hey Scotty, haven’t you already been told to SHUT THE FUCK UP??? You’ll be reported to the FBI for defamation, dumb fuck
If that isn’t profanity, then I’m the President of the USA.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
OK, the DD214 has been posted. but it still looks like he did some lying to the media, although he was an E-5. I see him going to an OEF support unit in Michigan, but there are only seven months of foreign service which would have been the Kosovo deployment. No mention of a deployment to OEF except to Michigan.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
2-17 Air Cav- I’m waiting on John, the admin, to post my DD214 since I can’t post it. Let me add it to my facebook, that’s Patrick Theodore Haab
December 14th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
AirCav, isn’t there something in that study about people who use multiple identities — something like that — as a means of misdirecting people?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Well, good. I am happy to hear that this thing is settling down. If Haab was an E-5, honorably discharged from military service without claims of awards or honors not earned, he is–at least to me–good to go.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Yes, I had attempted suicide while in Kuwait, days from going into Iraq. Spent a long time at Fort Bragg in a med hold detachment trying tons of meds. A med board was started but then I was returned to my unit where I was basically blackballed and honorably discharged. Been on meds ever since, any more questions?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Jonn , Will you send me his dd-214 via e-mail please. I am requesting another sf-180 form to be submitted with the NPRC. We may send his dd-214 along with the request form. Too many WTF’s at the moment with this case.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Yeah, you said you were in Iraq for nine months and that wasn’t true was it? You were feeding the myth that Iraq War veterans are all on drugs and crazy and that pisses me off. How does one get “blackballed” from an Army unit?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Nothing submitted on this dd-214 is showing up on his FOIA & 2-1 file other than his prior AD service which was actually reserve service. Plus I’m with Jonn. Nothing at all on either form shows that he was in Kuwait or Iraq.Plus did we have any Reserve units deployed to Kosovo?This shit stinks big time !
December 14th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Notice the lack of an Expeditionary Medal.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
OK, screw it, I’ll bite. When were you in Kuwait?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
My unit, the 415th CA Bn was deployed to Iraq. Days before entering Iraq, while being prepped in Kuwait is when I attempted suicide and was stopped by fellow soldiers, hence the ‘pulled a knife on fellow soldiers’ false news story. Once again, ask the person involved, please!
December 14th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
No one said anything about pulling a knife on fellow soldiers until now. How much more fiction are you planning to generate?
Try writing books instead. You’re making yourself more and more ridiculous.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Really dude? You tried to play the hero card on that bullshit?
December 14th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
BTW shitdick, when you want to sue for us for “defamation” based on the legal advice of the moron across the room who looks like a sock, just email us and I will send you the info you will need to do so.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Remind me why I never believe anyone’s bullshit stories in any bar…including AmLegion/VFW ones.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Trust but verify.
December 14th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
It’s why half the people from the local sports bar are surprised when I walk into the local AmLegion Post, TSO.
And most think I’m part of SAL.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Haab: I’m not sure what your experiences actually were or what prompted whatever false or mistaken accounts you may have provided to others about yourself. I am quite sincere when I say that if I were you I’d just let this matter close and move on to whatever legitimate and licit pleasures you have in life. If the fight is worthwhile, flail away. Otherwise, go in peace.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Na, This shit ain’t right at all. Even after sending us his dd-214, He comments about shit that isn’t even listed on the dd-214 that he sent us.This case needs to go to a higher authority in order to find the actual truth behind this case. Question for you Mr Haab . Do you have a VA ID card ?
December 14th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
I apologize if I had mistakenly said I spent 9 months in Kuwait, supposed to be Kosovo.
The reason I brought up the knife incident is that it’s on the web and I figured I might as well squash that incorrect news story before it was brought up.
For the last time, question the source! What is so hard about that?
SGT Patrick Haab (Honorably discharged)
574-584-4568
y2kducati@yahoo.com
Heading out for a bit, question away but please question before bashing/accusing
December 14th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Yes, I’ll take a picture or scan my VA ID card, which would you prefer?
December 14th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
This was my DD-214 that was provided to me after my second deployment, there are others and I can look for them if requested
December 14th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
#14: JA, pop me an email and I’ll answer any questions you have: dninness@gmail.com. I’ll leave the lively debate here to others.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Thank you Mr Ninness (prior co-worker at USAC). Hopefully you haven’t drank Mr Land’s cool-aid
December 14th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Please send any and all paper work that you have to Jonn. If you prove to be legit. Than the NPRC needs to update your file.Never had to write an apology letter before. But will if need be. You know what is recorded now with them.So it’s your call to straighten this cluster fuck out.You help us & we shall use ore resources to help you. Your BoS will remain open until the NPRC proves otherwise.
December 14th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
I just sent a picture of my VA ID card to John. When I get back I’ll send more documents. Be back in a few hours since I have to run to town and live out in the sticks. Thank you Scotty
December 14th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Scotty. I’m buying it and by “it” I mean the E-5 and the honorable discharge. I know he’s no choir boy but there are how many featured guests at TAH who do what he has done and said in cmt 94?
December 14th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
#98 – Patrick: I’m just going to answer questions about the USAC’s program and history. I have ZERO knowledge of anything of this. Haven’t heard a peep, nobody’s said a thing to me. (I tend to try to stay out of personnel matters.. its not my lane)
December 14th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
This would not be the first time we’ve seen incomplete records from NPRC. But I’m not quite willing to accept what we have here just yet.
I’d give that DD214 more credence if I could actually read it and see what it said. The copy posted – even expanded to max resolution – is so poor as to make reading the form impossible.
For the record: I’m not saying that DD214 is a fake. What I am saying is it’s impossible for me to form an opinion as to whether that DD214 is legit or not based on the copy provided.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
This guy is a turd. Honorable D or not.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
# 94 & # 96 . Are we to understand that you spent 9 months with the 415th CA Bn in Kosovo instead of Kuwait & Iraq ? And that was your second deployment. What was your first deployment ?
December 14th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Despite all this uproar, I’ll stand by my original comment.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Holy cow. Iraq…I mean Kuwait…I mean Kosovo. I often confuse where I deployed to multiple times after spending, not days, MONTHS over there. Gimme a break.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Dude looks like he aging at a very rapid rate.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:22 am
ok,,if this dude never saw action in ANY deployment,,where does the PTSD come in??
December 15th, 2012 at 12:24 am
@109, he bought it at the local convenience store when he stopped to get some gas. It was at a discount at the counter, where you buy lottery tickets.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:25 am
I can email my DD-214 to anyone who would like it, full size to be as legible as needed. NO E-MAILS, TEXTS, OR PHONE CALLS = WHY KEEP BASHING ME?
December 15th, 2012 at 2:38 am
#111
Does your DD-214 show any time in Iraq or Afghanistan? Or did you get that PTSD from the horrors of Kuwait and Kosovo?
Actually, I’m glad you never saw any combat time. Because if you get so stressed out when a few Mexicans surround you that you forget the difference between Iraq and Kuwait and Special Forces and Special Operations…I’d hate you see how you’d react to REAL combat…you know, when the enemy has you surrounded and you have to react and think with a clear headedness.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:42 am
And just because I wasn’t in a country ‘specified’ as a combat zone doesn’t mean I haven’t been places, seen things, and lost friends.
My PTSD comes from my team being in a crowded village that was a hornet’s nest and outnumbered by roughly 100:4 = fear of crowds
Losing a very close and personal friend in an IED strike- SPC Nichole Marie Frye on February 16th, 2004 near Baqubah, Iraq. Also injured severely were a SFC, a PFC, a SSG, and a Major. All but
http://freedomremembered.com/index.php/spec-nichole-marie-frye/
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/23/weekinreview/24FemaleCasualties2004.html?_r=0
The pisser is that if I hadn’t have made a suicide attempt prior to this, I most likely would have been in her spot, driving the vehicle that day = survivors remorse and not allowing anyone to be emotional close to me.
I don’t make up war stories and I hate posers as much as you all do. Yes, under duress I do use the wrong terminology and get things switched around. There are whole months while at Fort Bragg that are VERY blurry and I can’t recall very well.
Please, remove this post and ask anything you’d like
December 15th, 2012 at 2:44 am
*All but SPC Frye were members of my unit although she was attached to our unit.
December 15th, 2012 at 2:46 am
What happened in Kosovo was ethnic cleansing on a large scale.
What happened in Kuwait was an Iraqi invasion.
Just because I wasn’t there during the main conflict doesn’t mean I was immune to the aftermath, tensions, and war-torn countryside
December 15th, 2012 at 2:48 am
And for the RandomNCO, were any shots fired or anyone injured when I was outnumbered 6:1 in a desert with nothing more than a double barrel derringer and Iver Johnson 5-shot revolver in .38 S&W?
If that isn’t clearheadedness I don’t know what is
December 15th, 2012 at 2:53 am
Mr. Lilyea, being ‘blackballed’ from a reserve unit refers to being ostracized, made fun of, having no e-mails or phone calls returned after being released from Ft Bragg.
I attempted to transfer to another unit but that was prevented by the command personnel at my old unit.
Basically forced to ‘U’ out because of no communication regarding drill weekends.
The JAG lawyer I spoke with said ‘They’re giving you a good deal, take it’, referring to the honorable discharge vs. med board
December 15th, 2012 at 3:02 am
Going to bed as it’s nearly 0200 here. Night all and I hope you’re starting to get the picture that I’m not some faker who gets their stories from movies.
For those of you just joining this blog:
Patrick Theodore Haab
-SGT E-5 Honorably Discharged
-Never deployed to a designated ‘combat zone’
-Deployed to Kosovo for 9 months in 2003 (still looking for DD-214)
-Deployed to Iraq as part of OEF in 2004 but had suicide attempt in Kuwait before entering Iraq
-PTSD from ‘non-combat’ experiences to make the 11B’s happy
-Never experienced direct enemy fire as I was Civil Affairs, that’s not out bag
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December 15th, 2012 at 3:10 am
You’re making yourself look more and more foolish and more and more like a coward. You should do your friends and fallen brothers a favor and just go away and shut up about your “problems”.
December 15th, 2012 at 3:19 am
Yes RandomNCO, who doesn’t use anything to be identifiable or known as any kind of soldier. That I will do. I just don’t like being defamed for things that I can prove to be incorrect, as I’m sure you wouldn’t if it happened to you
December 15th, 2012 at 3:34 am
What, now you want a picture of MY DD214?
I was an E5 in the active duty Infantry, spent time as an Instructor at the Javelin School at the Infantry Center, did a combat tour in Iraq with the 2nd BDE Combat Team of the 10th Mountain Division who at the time experienced the heaviest concentration of attacks and firefights of all kinds in a one year period, earned a CIB and ARCOM, was burned up in a VBIED attack and awarded a Purple Heart. Later on, learned that I had a serious TBI and had to get out medically.
I don’t claim anything that I hadn’t actually done. I don’t try to make myself appear to be something that I wasn’t. I don’t confuse Non-Combat Assignments as being in Combat situations. I don’t consider being surrounded by a crowd to be traumatic. I’ve lost over 15 close friends and fellow Soldiers to enemy fire and plenty more guys who I’ve served with at one point or another. I don’t try to use my status as a wounded combat veteran to get anything from anyone. And I don’t use it as an excuse to commit crimes.
Any other questions?
December 15th, 2012 at 5:29 am
I have a close personal friend. SSG Porter who deployed with the 415th CA BN. I’ll ask him about your claims. Why is it all these POS posers have to come from my MOS? CA is the redheaded stepchild of the Spec Ops community. There is nothing special about what we do. Yet that’s the first thing these posers spout.
December 15th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Because you lost friends in an attack in Iraq, you think that gives you the right to claim “Survivor’s Remorse” and “Emotional Seperation from others”. You never “survived” anything related to that incident. Even by your own words. You DISHONOR her memory by even trying to claim any sort of attachment to what happened. For someone who claims PTSD you seem to have a very poor understanding of what the disorder actually entails.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:01 am
#123, sounds like he is using that as an excuse to remove himself from hostile situations or as excuse to get out of combat. Its a pretty bad cop out.
December 15th, 2012 at 7:23 am
#124 Cop outs and excuses seem to be this guy’s M.O.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:11 am
I would like to have been done with this thread yesterday but I keep coming back, inexplicably. I respect the views of each of you here and I hope you’ll give mine some consideration. Physically, mentally, or emotionally, we’re not all built the same, that’s for certain. We don’t know SGT Haab. He could be an accomplished weasel or he could have issues that we don’t understand that have nothing whatsoever to do with his service experiences. On multiple occasions here, we’ve visited the issue of military suicides, including the fact that most suicides never deployed. Well, what I’m trying to get at here is an appeal to give Haab the benefit of the doubt and let it go. Yesterday’s collective anger and frustration regarding the tragedy in Connecticut was as thick as pea soup. Today, a little less, perhaps. That’s all I have.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:06 am
RandomNCO, no kiddin. At first I was like “oh well, he got his information and somewhat proved people wrong”
But now its just him digging himself deeper and deeper in a hole with the whole “I watched my friend die, well I didnt really. I just use her death as an excuse to get out of a combat zone along with using it to rack up some benefits from the VA.”
December 15th, 2012 at 9:10 am
126, Air CAV…Yeah Sgt Haabs ordeal and his issues are a backdrop in what has occurred in CT. I am in New England as we speak. Its a huge deal even on CT/MA border right now. I as at work (work at a base near Hartford.) One person was more upset with how people are using this as a platform for gun control once again.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:14 am
I appreciate you giving me the benefit of the doubt 2-17 Air Cav, just like life, you can’t win everybody over. Sad that a former soldier who admits he has issues and is simply trying to answer alegations gets bashed like this. I have nightmares every night about why I pussed out and wasn’t there for my fellow soldiers in Iraq.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:33 am
SGT Haab: Send Jonn a better copy of your DD214(s) and I’m sure he’ll post it/them after redacting your PII.
For the record: I’ve been to Kuwait for about 3 weeks total, either TDY or en route to other places in-theater. Spent a few days in Qatar as well. So long as you stayed on-base, you were as safe in those locations as anywhere in CONUS, and maybe safer. Further: except for the bad parts of Kuwait City (and maybe the Iraq border area) and traffic on the major highways (crazy as hell) in 2007-2008 the rest of Kuwait was generally pretty damn safe too. I heard of one potentially hostile incident in Kuwait during the year I was in-theater. And that one incident was indeed questionable as hell, and could well have been the work of a disgruntled troop.
Iraq and Afghanistan were different stories. Friendlies were actually at-risk in both of those places.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Hondo, yeah Pushing near OKBK and heading towards the border its actually was there as a contractor last year. I worked at OKBK airport, also was out there for a week before going to Qatar myself in 2003. Pretty safe area, there are alot of accidents on the sixth ring or seventh ring though. Alot of idiots out there shooting guns (marriage thing I guess). The highways (Sixth and seventh ring) are the most dangerous roads I ever seen. You could find someone sitting there dead while on your way back home from a car accident.
Not many potentially dangerous areas. Egaila, salmiya might have chinese hookers out there ready to hold you hostage for your money via chinese pimp. But besides that, its pretty damn safe as you said.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:55 am
No medals what so ever on this dd-214 that would prove he was in OIF . He claims of being in Kosovo in 03 for 9 months. But the total Foreign service on this dd-214 ( Which is suppose to be his second deployment ) only shows 7 months. First he was , Then he wasn’t . I’m scratching my head & doubting his claims big time here. Guess age will do that to you. Walks like a duck,Quacks like a duck, Chances are !!.
A copy of this dd-214 has been forwarded to the NPRC for verification.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Scotty, OEF, as stated on DD-214, not OIF. GWOT on the medal list, guess I got that from being in Kuwait and not Iraq itself. The 9 month Kosovo deployment included pre-mob and de-mob if I remember correctly. If you’d like the exact dates and deployment orders I’d be happy to send those to John as well.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Haab, you got that from being in the military during the time war kicked off.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:33 am
So let me get this straight. You was in Operation Enduring Freedom & not Operation Iraq Freedom by being deployed to Kuwait instead of Iraq ? Please confirm because your about to change history here.
December 15th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Haab…seriously, give it a rest.
You’re changing your story more often than you change underwear. And a 2-1/OER or whatever the Army is using these days can and should describe your deployments, dates, etc.
And NO, not everyone screws up the paperwork. Even then, it was YOUR responsibility to get it fixed before you separated. Are you going to tell us now that you didn’t get to verify your 214 before you signed it, either in person or electronically?
December 15th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Actually, Haab – the GWOT medal that is to be listed on your DD214 is the GWOT Service Medal. It’s not linked to OEF, OIF, or any other particular operation, nor does it prove you served in those operations. It was also awarded to those who served stateside in support of Operation Noble Eagle, as well as to those serving worldwide who supported none of the three designated GWOT operations (ONE, OEF, OIF) directly.
The GWOT Service Medal is awarded for simply serving on active duty 30 days consecutive/60 days nonconsecutive anywhere worldwide “in support of the GWOT” after 11 September 2001. The Army has interpreted that to mean any active-duty service in other than a training status.
Scotty: in fairness, it is possible for someone to be sent to Kuwait initially with orders to support OEF. ARCENT is headquartered there, and until we left Iraq had forces in both Iraq and Afghanistan. If you’re sent there to support operations in Afghanistan, your orders will reflect OEF vice OIF. However, this guy’s unit was apparently sent there to conduct pre-deployment training prior to operations in Iraq; his orders and DD214 should thus have reflected OIF vice OEF.
My eyes must be working better today, as I can now read Block 18 of the DD214 posted above when I expand it (or maybe he sent Jonn a better photo). His DD214 also clearly says his service this period was in support of OIF vice OEF. However, while 7+ months of overseas duty is listed in Block 12, his DD214 doesn’t list any time spent in Kosovo, Kuwait, or Iraq in Block 18. Not positive, but I believe dates in-theater should be listed if he deployed to Kosovo, Kuwait or Iraq during this time frame.
Anyone know if the 415th CA had elements supporting Kosovo from Germany during this time frame?
December 15th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Thanks for that clarification Hondo. I was sitting on the edge of my puter chair for a few minutes.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Addendum: I just checked my DD214s. The foreign service time on a DD214 appears to be career cumulative; ditto for awards and decorations. So the 7 mo 20 days of foreign service listed on the DD214 provided above as well as the Kosovo Campaign Medal could be from a previous stint on active duty. His DD214 also shows 1 year 1 mo 16 days of prior active duty time. That amount of prior active duty appears to be consistent with (1) basic/AIT plus (2) a 270-day activation ISO a 6-mo rotation to Kosovo. Further, his FOIA also shows what appears to be a 270-day contingency tour, extended 8 days to allow terminal leave, from 20 Jun 2001 to 24 Mar 2002.
In other words: the above is consistent with the DD214 posted above being for a tour of duty in CONUS in support of OIF – like at a CA unit HQ at Fort Bragg, for example. That would also explain why no foreign service dates or GWOT campaign/expeditionary medals are listed on this DD214.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Haab,
Why did you take that silly ass picture?
This seems to be the root of the problem.
Honorable or not, you still are a turd.
I do not ever recall taking any “self” pictures.
Weak.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Strangest thing though. No APO/FPO addresses are showing up in an address background search on him. In fact. No Military addresses at all are showing up.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:40 am
2-17 Air Cav: sorry, got sidetracked and never replied to your question about “educated outlook” above (comment 65).
I’m stumped; only thing I can come up with is that the individual meant someone who’s skilled in using MicroSoft’s electronic mail software and (1) forgot to capitalize “Outlook”, then (2) meant to write “educated on Outlook” but inadvertently omitted the preposition.
Altenatively, it’s also posible that the author was simply a tool who was trying to impress by using “big words” he/she didn’t fully understand but though sounded good.
But I guess it could be a legal term with an obscure definition. Know anyone who’s a lawyer? (smile)
December 16th, 2012 at 9:04 am
@142. GMTA.
December 16th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Hey Haab, if you’ve never been to combat, why is there a picture of you wearing a combat patch on the Academy Facebook page? Must have been to “honor” the real combat vets right?
December 17th, 2012 at 1:29 am
Hondo,
Yes, the 415th was supporting the Kosovo mission up until 2003, so the Kosovo deployment may be legit. He wasn’t on any of my teams that I recall, so I can’t speak specifically to whether Haab went or not. If he did, it was in the 2002-2003 period, and he’s among the few who brought back war stories about being surrounded by screaming hostile mobs. In fact I don’t recall any other of the many Soldiers who also deployed in 2004 telling war stories like that.
I do know that he got as far as Kuwait in early 2004, and he was sent home for suicidal behavior. He says he didn’t threaten anyone with a knife, but Soldiers I worked with were there and had a different version of events. I don’t know how long he hung around the Army system after he was sent back, but I recall discussions that he was NOT coming back to the 415th. Actually, it’s kind of naive of him to think he’d be allowed to.
As for PFC/SPC Frye…I can’t speak for how well he knew her, but I’m thinking it wasn’t as well as he claims. She was part of a cross-level contingent that came from a different battalion, and they joined us quite late, during training at Ft. Bragg in January 2004. Since we boarded the planes the first week in February, that’s not a lot of time to become close. Not saying impossible, but Haab’s history of embellishing his story makes me skeptical.
After a lot of years in this business I’ve got a pretty good BS-meter. SGT Haab makes a lot of statements that are hard to verify, but which don’t match up with my recollection of the same events. I won’t call them lies, but my BS-meter is pegging on the high side right now.
CS
December 17th, 2012 at 10:41 am
I’m not going to comment on Sgt. Haab’s service record, it looks as if he served honorably until his medical issues became apparent to command. As for the specific details regarding his mil service duty assignments, I guess the jury is still out.
I do have to wonder though about what roll he played as a USAC staff/employee. From the USAC web-page -
Supervision of Cadets
Cadets are supervised – at all times – by a member of the U.S. Army Cadet Corps (USAC). Each applicant to become a USAC officer or Noncommissioned Officer (NCO) must undergo a thorough background investigation, ensuring their suitability to work with young people. Their initial application to the Officer or NCO Corps involves a rigorous criminal and civil background check by the Office of the Inspector General.
End quote.
Sgt. Haab admits that he’s been on medication (related to his attempted suicide, I’m going to assume anti-depressants) since 2004 (Comment #79), yet purportedly his assignment at USAC/Forest Hill Military Academy was as a ‘Special Law Enforcement Peace Officer’ (Comment #26), whatever the heck that entails (besides carrying a side arm, as he’s already informed us).
Did Sgt. Haab reveal to the USAC staff the reason(s) he received a medical discharge upon his application for employment? If so, then as a former squidly-diddly, I’m thinking that somehow USAC must have an MOU with NAVPERS to structure their duty assignments. ;^)
Most recently he’s booted from USAC (arrested by the Kentucky State Police, or rather, ‘someone’ [Sgt. Haab's phrasing] was arrested by the KSP) for carrying a ‘concealed weapon’ at the school (Comment #17 [Scotty, was that Col. Land's transmittal?] and Comment #26). Yikes, WTF?
December 17th, 2012 at 11:37 am
http://www.whosarrested.com/kentucky/bourbon-county/paris/bcdc/2035528-patrick-haab
Seems like his arrest was more than just a “MAJOR SET UP” considering he was drunk at the time.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Oh wait, no, that was just some OTHER arrest. Here is the one in which he was carrying a gun on school grounds:
http://www.whosarrested.com/kentucky/bourbon-county/paris/bcdc/2209465-patrick-haab
December 17th, 2012 at 11:49 am
C Sherman: thanks for the update. I’m assuming at this point the DD214 above is legit. If so, it’s definitely not for a Kosovo rotation; if it were, it would list service in Kosovo and a set of inclusive dates to document earning the KCM. So the KCM and NATO medals listed above are obviously carryovers from a previous DD214.
I’m guessing the period 20 Jun 2001 through 24 Mar 2002 for his Kosovo deployment (see the FOIA). Including pre-deployment training and outprocessing, the timing would match a 270-day contingency tour plus a short extension to allow for taking a few days of terminal leave.
You indicate Haas got to Kuwait in early 2004 and was sent back after exhibiting suicidal behavior. That’s also consistent with the above DD214 if he was sent back before serving enough time for the GWOTEM, or was somehow otherwise disqualified by his chain-of-command from receiving same. Foreign service short enough that it doesn’t qualify for a campaign or expeditionary medal doesn’t always show up on a DD214.
It’s beginning to look more and more like Haas “played out the string” at a CA unit HQ at Fort Bragg (or maybe at 415th HQ in Michigan) after he was sent back as you describe. Apparently his unit at least let him finish his tour vice simply REFRAD-ing him once his medical treatment was complete. But it certainly looks like he never went back to the “sandbox”, either.
December 17th, 2012 at 11:52 am
RandomNCO: oh-boy. Looks like the guy could well have some significant headspace and timing issues. Hope he gets help.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:12 am
@Hondo: Not just a few loose nuts and bolts, either, I think he has a stripped-out gearbox!
February 1st, 2013 at 11:24 pm
I was habb romemate for a few weeks in kosavo before he went to a outpost
March 16th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
How about all of you pricks piss off. I’ve known SGT Haab for a while now and he is the real definition of an American hero. Maybe instead of bashing on someone who has amounted to something in life you need to look inward and face your own demons. Nobody is perfect you lifeless pricks.
March 16th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Strange: most “American heroes” I’ve heard about or known don’t get themselves arrested for carrying a concealed weapon on a school grounds less than 30 days after being arrested for public intoxication/criminal mischief/unlawful (presumably) concealed carry.
And most American military heroes actually manage to serve in combat, too.
March 16th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Hey, Hondo! You got today’s ration of demons over there? I can’t seem to find any here.
And just because I’m getting older, Austin Strange (you picked that one all by yourself?) doesn’t mean that I am lifeless. Besides, as one who has made quite a worthwhile life for myself, thanks to a great upbringing and catching a few good breaks here and there among some wonderful folks both in and out of the military, I not only have the innate right but have earned it several times over to call someone exactly what they appear to be. Should that appearance prove to be wrong, I am also very capable of appologizing for the error.
How about you??
As for being a prick, I simply don’t have the requisite body parts to be called one. Nor do many other members of this community. If by the use of that term you mean a prick tease, I am also not that. I can assure you that I very seldom tease anyone, and certainly not about that.
Evidently your definition of American Hero is quite different from mine. I’ve known quite a few of those and buried a few more. None of them wore capes or thought they were perfect. Not sure that any members of this community think they are perfect either.
But thanks for playing.
March 16th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
@155- I do. I think I’m perfect. I also have no demons inside of me. Both of those factors give me the proper clearance to say this to #153:
Haab is a fucking shitbag, Austin. He’s a pus-filled sack of gonorrhea, and you have cheapened the word “hero” by associating it with someone who plays dress-up for drinks at the bar. Fuck you.
March 16th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Nah, OWB – no daemons here today, either. Not running Unix or Linux. (smile)
March 16th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Look I’m really sorry for what I said. I apologize to all of the American Military members that I offended. I realize now that I was wrong to post that comment and I now recall one event involving his public drunkenness and vandalism on base the day I left. I believed what he was telling me when we discussed his military background/service.
I realize now that an American hero would not do any of the things that he has done and I do sincerely apologize to all whom I have offended. A real American hero does not lie about their military career. I would like to ask you all for your forgiveness. My Father is an American hero and I let him down by saying those things. It will not happen again.
March 16th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Apology accepted. However, you need to know that while what you said was offensive, I, for one, was not really offended by what you said. We of a certain age and experience have really thick skin and are more disappointed than offended by what has now become common verbal discourse.
Perhaps it is to your father you should apologize, since it is really only he that you dishonored?
March 17th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
People of the community I would like to point out something to all of you. If I may direct your attention to comment #11, I know this “Colonel Land” and do not be fooled by him. He may admit that Haab is no longer with USAC but he was one of the few that employed him without doing a background check on Haab. On that same note, he allowed him to carry a concealed weapon around cadets as a means of “security” for young teens. In my opinion, I feel as though these people are causing young Americans to receive the wrong idea of what our military really is. Do not be fooled by his chicanery. It seems to me as though he is trying to cover his own ass.