Idiots in the gun control debate

| December 16, 2012 | 934 Comments

Yeah, I’ve read some real stupid shit in teh interwebz today in regards to gun control, but this one just deserved a public answer. It’s from some shithole called Balloon Juice written by a guy named John Cole who explains that he was supposedly in the 11th ACR stationed at Camp Doha between the wars with Iraq;

So why am I telling you this? Because in the middle of one of the most dangerous regions in the world, even with clear Rules of Engagement, every time I went on gate duty, there was a piece of tape over my ammo clip on my M-16 and M1911 .45. Why? Because the most heavily armed military in the world did not want accidental shootings. If a situation arose, I would have to eject my ammo clip, remove the tape, and reinsert and work the action before I could fire.

This was in a combat zone. Yet I have spent the last two fucking days dealing with armchair commandos telling me they need unlimited firepower to be safe in… Connecticut.

If there are bigger pussies in the world than gun nuts, I don’t know who the fuck they are.

So, because he was such an incompetent boob that he needed to have his ammo taped in his magazine, gun nuts are pussies – yeah, I don’t see the connection either. Besides, he calls them “ammo clips” – who, with more than a day in the Army, calls box magazines “ammo clips”? So, I’m thinking that John Cole was a cook, or anything except someone his unit would allow to guard something. And, I’m pretty sure that between the Iraq Wars, the Army was using 9mm Barettas and not the M1911A1 .45 cal pistol.

And the reason any magazines were taped wasn’t to prevent the ammunition from loading. The Army did that when ammunition was passed between guard shifts for accountability. But, of course, any dingus who thought they’re called “ammo clips” wouldn’t know that.

So why do I call Balloon Juice a shit hole? Because all of their writers are gun grabbing facists, apparently. They write shit like this;

Bernard Finel: If it were in my power, I’d seize every fucking firearm in the country other than revolvers, shotguns, and bolt-action rifles and melt them all down.

mistermix: If you must own an AR-15 or Bushmaster or AK-47, it should stay locked in your personal gun cabinet at the range, never to leave. If you change ranges, a bonded courier can take it to the new one. The same is true of the high-capacity clips for your Glock, your 100-round drum magazines, and all the other expensive toys that let you bang off a couple of dozen rounds in a minute. Yeah, that’s expensive and a nuisance. So are the laws surrounding other potentially unsafe pursuits.

Mistermix, my Glock uses high capacity magazines, not clips. The ammunition for my M4 is in clips until I put the bullets in the magazine. If you’re going to talk the language of gun control, learn the language of guns first.

After posting the Wikipedia entry for events leading up to the UK’s gun ban, Imani Gandy (ABL) posts this;

Am I suggesting that we ban handguns? No, not really. I am suggesting we have a sensible discussion about gun-control laws that leads to, as President Obama put it, meaningful action.

If you weren’t suggesting that we ban guns, why did you have to tell us that the UK banned guns because of an incident somewhat similar to Sandy Hook? Every leftist gun grabbing fascist on the internet is talking about “a sensible discussion”, but their discussion of a sensible discussion is senseless.

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  1. Hondo says:

    Srongarm is a classic “one trick pony”, Ex-PH2. He’s found a meme he likes at talkingpointsmemo.com. Now it’s his story and he’s sticking to it – truth be damned.

    Perhaps the time has come to cease arguing with the fence post.

  2. Nik says:

    It’s funny Gary talks that way, because it’s FEAR that’s going to rob us of some essential liberties for a little bit of temporary security.

  3. Hondo says:

    68W58: you don’t suppose it’s because firearms in the hands of responsible, law-abiding citizens might threaten Gary’s livelihood, do you?

  4. Veritas Omnia Vincit says:

    PH2 — Blowing off steam by threatening to kill your wife, her coworkers and anybody else in the building is a bit excessive. If your response to a domestic quarrel is threatening violence you should expect a visit from local law enforcement. I blow off steam by working out to some good old fashioned Doors music. I’ve never threatened to kill anyone while I was in a fit of domestic anger….and while I understand different people, different methods but even in your analogy of “I want to kill that sumbitch” you used the singular, a more appropriate analogy to the case you reference was if you added ” and then I am going to go by his place of business and kill all his colleagues and anyone else I find there”…. threatening mass murder may not necessarily mean you will do it, but it’s not something ordinary folks do.

    My point was in regards to this shooter there was a clear history since the age of 9 when mom used to caution babysitters to never leave her precious boy alone for a moment and never turn your back on him….this is clearly not someone who was in any way shape or form blowing off steam when expressing himself over the last 11 years….he was seriously ill and nothing was done about it. Where the failure occurred is subject to investigation and will no doubt be dissected ad nauseum.

    Some people need to be institutionalized, we can choose prison as the warehouse for mentally ill people which is what we have done since the ACLU helped liberate mental institutions. It’s costly and less effective since you have to wait for a crime before acting. Or we can address with a rational discussion how health professionals might be able to identify mental illness and help treat, and where necessary place in a protective environment, those who probably should not be walking around with the rest of us. Or we can just keep on doing what we have been, letting the mentally ill wander around homeless until they bump into the legal system while we continue to debate the merits of one idiotic gun ban after another.

    That’s my 2 cents, your take might well be different.

  5. Ex-PH2 says:

    Thank you, Hondo. I guess TPM stands for Toilet Paper Memo, because everything they write is absolute crap.

    Also, in regard to preppers, I know people who live in what are considered severe weather zones, and who keep their pantries and storage sheds fully loaded with food, fuel for generators, basic hygiene necessities, etc., and they don’t live in fear. They also hunt game for food.

    Me: I live in an area where the possibility of a blizzard is very real, like the February 2011 blizzard that was responsible for several deaths due to cold and being trapped in snow-blocked cars. That’s the one that shut down Lake Shore Drive in the northbound lane, trapping people in their cars. I have pictures of the four feet of snow that blocked my front storm door.
    I have kept a fully-loaded and stocked pantry for 45 years. If there is a severe storm this winter and if my door is blocked by the snow, the car snowed in and blocked, and the bobcat driver doesn’t come right away, I can do just fine with what I have on hand, including enough chicken in the freezer to feed the Union Army.
    That’s just common sense, not fear. It’s experience in a northern climate that says “Hey, you may have three feet of snow on New Year’s Eve. Pay attention.”

  6. Hondo says:

    Back to the original topic (more or less): I’m still waiting for John-boy Cole to regale us with a few stories about his derring-do and dangerous duty at Camp Doha and along the Kuwait border in Jun-Sep 1991.

    How about it, Johnny? We want to hear all about your heroic acts in SWA!

  7. 68W58 says:

    Hondo 456-probably correct, anyway I have to wonder about a guy who doesn’t even get out of bed when he hears a door slam in the middle of the night. Of course I own a house and a slammed door in the middle of the night means something different to me than to Gary where it just means that someone else in the shelter has had trouble getting the bathroom door closed.

  8. Jacobite says:

    @427

    Where are the gun owners when they’re needed? Here ya go big boy.

    The Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz study published in 1990’s in the “Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology” found that there were between 830,000 and 2+ million defensive gun uses per year in the U.S. .
    A Federal Gov’t study, the “National Crime Victimization Survey”, found there to be about 108,000 defensive gun uses each year.
    Another Federal Gov’t study, the “National Survey of Private Ownership of Firearms”, was conducted in the 1990’s because of doubt over Kleck and Gertz’s numbers, and it found approx. 1.5 million defensive gun uses per year.
    And last but not least, a Cato Institute ‘white paper’ titled “Tough Targets” takes a close look at a little over 4000 recorded gun incidents between 2003 and 2010, and blows just about every single anti-gun meme out of the water using actual case information. You can access the study here: http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/WP-Tough-Targets.pdf
    While recorded ‘justifiable homicide’ statistics seem to be low in relation to the mentioned survey results, it’s important to understand that such statistics do NOT include instances where the criminal was wounded but did not die, instances when an intended victim held an attacker for police to arrest, where just brandishing a firearm caused a potential attacker to flee, or where the mere presence of a firearm caused a potential attacker to reconsider.
    Privately held firearms preventing crime in America is alive and well. That privately held firearms didn’t prevent a handful of the more notorious events is not evidence that they aren’t effective, it’s only evidence that they weren’t there when they were needed, kind of like the police.

  9. Ex-PH2 says:

    I think Melle’s right: we should all sing the “Dr. Prepper” song.

  10. YAG YAS says:

    460 Where did Cole allege that he was some kind of hero? I did a Desert Spring tour in Kuwait and while we didn’t have to tape our mags, we did have to conduct daily counts to maintain round accountability, so the guy sounds legit to me.

    More to the point, where does a fat fucking POG sack of shit like you get off trying to downplay some guy’s service because it took place at a cushy base with the best DFAC in the region? Let’s hear your tales of derring-do like the time you had to eat a vegetarian MRE while stuck at the range. I hope it didn’t give you PTS.

  11. melle1228 says:

    Just for #463 :)

    I am prepper and i’m proud
    I use to feel alone in a crowd
    but now you look around these days
    and it seems theres prepper CRAZE
    I’ma prepper he’s a prepper she’s a prepper we’re a prepper
    wouldn’t you like to be a prepper too?
    I’m a prepper he’s a prepper she’s a prepper
    if you stockpile you’re a prepper too!

  12. Hondo says:

    68W58: agreed. I also noticed that the individual uses a term for a reprehensible act of coercive violence – e.g., “strongarm” – as his screen name.

    A Freudian slip on his part, perhaps? (smile)

  13. Ex-PH2 says:

    @465 :) Too funny!!!!

  14. JP says:

    @464… Not mags, CLIPS..say it like your pal Cole does, champ.

    Look, had he had a little more tact in his entry and a lot less moron, not to mention calling “gun nuts” pussies ( which as I said, is real cute from behind the safety of the interweb) then we probably wouldn’t be jumping up in his shit.

    Here’s an idea for you and the rest of your crew of Balloon Knot sallies…stop trying to use f -bombs and slurs to make up for your lack of logic / weak attempts at trying to come off as some sort of keyboard commando internet toughguys, and put on your big boy pants and talk like adults. Maybe then people will actually listen to whatever point you’re trying to make.

    Are you getting this yet? I’m not holding my breath.

  15. Veritas Omnia Vincit says:

    @462 Excellent reference, I had seen excerpts from this report. Thank you for the link to the entire report, much appreciated. Since it discounts the logic behind most anti-gun rhetoric the left avoids discussing this type of information, preferring their anecdotal evidence to advance their cause.

  16. Cassidy says:

    @JP #419 Casidy is my last name sunshine. I ain’t hiding. I see a lot of pseudonyms on here, though. Not out of the ordinary for a bunch of Xbox Commandos. So are you guys an Airsoft group or something? Paint ball? I know…MW3 clan.

    @Redacted1775 #437 Baghdad 2005, Al Doura, 3rd Infantry Division.

  17. some guy says:

    wow, Cole is right, you gun nuts are a bunch of raving imbeciles.

    get help.

  18. melle1228 says:

    @471 That’s laughable because when I read Cole’s site all I see is things like we all listen to Faux News, Rush, are “preppers” and want to kill children. I think your side raves a lot more than ours does.

    And again who the hell let the tin foil hats in? Hippie clean up on Aisle 1…

  19. 2-17 Air Cav says:

    Okay, some guy, the strength of your argument convinced me. Thanks.
    _____________________________________________________________

    So, is it worth counterattacking on Cole’s site? I mean, that tiny crew is so weak, I just don’t know.

  20. Cassidy says:

    @472 In comparison to the blood that needs to be cleaned up so you can hold on to your metal/ polymer teddy bears? Such a sad group of people who’s first selfsih inclination is to defend your cowardly need to boost your confidence with a fetish than think about the innocent people who are dead because of your cowardice.

  21. JP says:

    @470…Yeah, because there’s only a few million people with the last name Cassidy, so you’re right out in the open, aren’t you…genius. I don’t even know you…but just from what I’ve read from you so far, I’m 100% certain you’re just another punk FOBit.

    Anyway, no use arguing over the internet with a bunch of limp wristed, Balloon Knot sallies. It’d be more productive to try to talk to a brick wall, and a lot less dense.

    Have fun, trolls.

  22. some guy says:

    seriously, get help.

    start here: http://www.mentalhealthamerica.net/go/help

    for those of you who are veterans, start with the VA: http://www.mentalhealth.va.gov/

  23. 68W58 says:

    Cassidy sez: “Maybe my era of Soldier is made of sterner stuff because we have the confidence to do our jobs regardless of the weapon.”

    and

    “Baghdad 2005, Al Doura, 3rd Infantry Division.”

    Which I’m so sure you patrolled regularly “regardless of the weapon”. You’re a fraud and a fucking liar numbnuts, go tell it to the unwashed hippy college chicks.

  24. Cassidy says:

    @ 475 Wrong again. You must be the gear queer of the bunch. C’mon now PX ninja, tell me about that really bad day when you couldn’t get you vanilla chai latte because to step outside meant putting your helmet on.

  25. 2-17 Air Cav says:

    @476. Seriuously, STFU. Oh, and learn where the shift key is. You are cap deprived.

  26. melle1228 says:

    @473 I wouldn’t travel to that cesspool. There really is not intelligent conversation. They have spent the last 4 blog posts raving about how we are all survivalist paranoids. When people believe you had a hand in murdering 20 people you didn’t even know because you support the Constitution; there isn’t really a discussion to be had.

  27. Cassidy says:

    @477 Of course we carried weapons numbnuts. That’s not the point. When you’re a gun user, you recognize that the gun is simply a tool; an extension of your mind and body that when utilized properly ends in the death of something. That’s all it is, a tool. A gun user doesn’t need the gun to feel brave. UNlike you pansy ass gun owners who need a little totem to make you feel less afraid and sleep better at nights. It’s your teddy bear. Children sleep with teddy bears.

  28. 2-17 Air Cav says:

    @388. Saying photojounalism doesn’t count is not an ad hominem attack. Saying you are a sack of shit is. Do you see the difference?

  29. 68W58 says:

    So doing your job “regardless of the weapon” actually means “I totally had my weapon with me at all times in order to defend myself”. You’re right about the firearm being only a tool though-which is why your whole attempt to place responsibility for the actions of others onto us is so hilarious. You’re too stupid to be believed-shitbag.

  30. some guy says:

    how sweet, wrapping your support for infanticide in the flag.

    if you are a veteran the VA’s mental health clinics are free of charge. you folks really need to get some help.

  31. PowerPoint Ranger says:

    I can’t help but think that strongarm got such a “strong arm” by pulling his pud every time a criminal act of violence gave him a chance to demonize lawful gun owners who had nothing to do with the crime in question.

    Since he brings up the fact that the Giffords shooting happened in an area where CCW was allowed, let me just add this to the discussion via an academic study done by John Lott.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund

    “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”

  32. melle1228 says:

    @484 How trite trying to foist a dianosis of PTSD on Veterans who don’t disagree with you myopic view of the world.. The only mental illness I see comes from you guys.

    Infanticide is killing infants hence the word infant in it. I don’t support infanticide- that’s the Democrats and their support of abortion(get your parties straight). And numbnuts how the hell did I frickin shoot 20 people when I CHOOOSE to not own a gun? You people really are not very bright.

  33. Hondo says:

    YADDA YADDA YADDA (@464 – and yes, that was intentional): I claim no great past derring-do or heroism. But unlike Cole, I actually have heard shots fired in anger. I have periodically been on the receiving end of enemy IDF. I have stood alongside the road, saluting, while multiple flag-covered caskets rolled by during their final trip back to CONUS. And I have written up a Purple Heart packet for one of my soldiers (he’s fine today, thank God).

    But if you’ll bother to read the article above – or if you can’t read that well, find someone to read it to you and explain the big words – you’ll see Cole is the one who’s publicly making a big freaking deal bout serving in one of “the most dangerous regions in the world”. I’m just curious as to what Cole did that was so damned dangerous, that’s all.

  34. 2-17 Air Cav says:

    @484. Infanticide? Is that sort of like abortion? You don’t mind abortion, do you? And what grudge do you harbor against capital letters?

  35. Old Trooper says:

    @481: Are you off your meds? Your post makes no sense at all. In the first part of it, you make a lucid statement, then you go off the deep end with a childish diatribe that cancels out the first part of your statement.

    Maybe you can tell a friend of mine, who had a restraining order against an abusive ex-boyfriend that she didn’t need to carry a gun and that she’s just a pussy that needs a totem to feel less afraid and sleep better at night. I mean, what did she have to worry about, other than he outweighed her by 100 pounds and had violent episodes. I’m sure that piece of paper was adequate to keep her safe. Why don’t you look up Castle Rock vs. Gonzales to see how effective those pieces of paper are? Just because you are a billy badass that can crush opponents with a stare doesn’t mean that everyone else can.

  36. Joe Williams says:

    My point through not clear enough was a knife could cause the same carnage . If memory serves there CCWs at GIlford’s rally. They were worried about being mistaken for the shooter,so no return fire. The others were defenceless places where almost any weapon could used without fear.

  37. 2-17 Air Cav says:

    @489. Reason does not work. You have to scream, screech, and use raw emotion. They are here to annoy. They are not interested in a discussion. Rather like the Occutards, I’d say.

  38. melle1228 says:

    @489 They call everyone else lunatics, nuts and crazies and really cannot even conceive of how they sound.

  39. melle1228 says:

    @488 They don’t care about infanticide.. That is a “right.” Strongarm left the thread everytime I asked him about his position on that. This tragedy is just a way for them to get rid of a “right” that they disagree with. Killing your child in utero= good. Having a pistol to protect your family= bad.

  40. Nik says:

    Ok everyone. Stop with the reason and logic and other things our guests don’t understand.

    It’s really unfair to them.

  41. Hondo says:

    2-17 Air Cav: I think “some guy” is channeling e e cummings – without the requisite talent or intellect, of course.

  42. 2-17 Air Cav says:

    @493. Yes, melle1228. That is on the money. Thankfully, they have voluntarily disarmed themselves, as I like to say. We have not.

  43. 2-17 Air Cav says:

    @495. Well, cummings was cap averse but didn’t he forego periods too? I can’t recall.

  44. Hondo says:

    Damn, PPR (485) – that’s not fair. You’re using facts to confuse them!

  45. Hondo says:

    2-17 Air Cav: at times he eschewed periods, if I recall correctly. But I did observe that “some guy” was channeling cummings without the requisite talent or intellect. (smile)

  46. Ex-PH2 says:

    Gee, I don’t have a gun. Don’t sleep with a gun. Don’t sleep with any kind of weapon. Don’t have a teddy bear, either.

    I do, however, sleep quite well at night.

    In fact, I think everyone here sleeps quite soundly at night without a gun or a teddy bear, except for these beastly angry children who just found this blogspot and are trying to hijack it,just to get attention.

  47. Veritas Omnia Vincit says:

    When the perpetrator intends to end their life during or after their crime stopping it is quite difficult. The effectiveness of suicide bombers to complete their crimes across the world is a reminder that a gun is one way to achieve massive casualties but by no means the only way. I am certain that suicide and bombs are illegal in most places already…as are crimes using guns.

    The problem with much of the diatribe against owning a weapon is the desire to place a rational response on an irrational act such as the shooting 20 – 6 year olds and 6 of their adult teachers. We like to deceive ourselves into thinking if we just pass the right law, or make the right thing illegal we can stop mass murderers in their tracks and keep these horrific events from happening.

    It’s an illusion of control, less guns do not equal more safety.

  48. Zapruder F. Mashtots, D.D.S. says:

    Here’s something else to think over, geniuses:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/25/empire-state-building-shooting-nypd-bullets-shot-all-nine_n_1830007.html
    Even if one of you heroes were to be at a mass shooting, and even if you somehow kept yourself from pissing your pants, and even if you got your gun out without shooting your feet or your dick off, you’d still be more likely to hit one of the bystanders as you would be to hit the psycho. But, hey, even if you did, it wouldn’t be so bad; at least you’d have had the chance to shoot somebody, and that’s really the point, isn’t it? Good guys, bad guys, who cares, as long as you get to blow somebody away. Of course, that’s all academic, since you’d be on the floor in your wet pants, screaming for somebody to save you. You all talk like you’re tough guys, but how tough can you be when you need to have your gun with you before you can screw up the guts to go to church or step out to the neighborhood sallon for a beer? Assholes.

  49. melle1228 says:

    @501 Awesome and eloquent analysis!

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