A Little Hard Data to PO the Anti-Gun Crowd

| December 17, 2012 | 131 Comments

Some “gentle souls” out there think all guns should be banned.  They are indeed ignorant and misguided fools.

They’re probably beyond education on this point.  But I’ll try to enlighten them anyway.

There are many reasons the 2nd Amendment recognizes an individual’s right to keep and bear arms.  Some are related to liberty.  But one even more near and dear to all of us is personal protection.

Here is a short, “quick and dirty” list of average police response times to emergency calls (generally defined as violent crimes in progress requiring an immediate police response) in major cities in the US.  In smaller towns and rural areas, the response time can be expected to be longer.

Nationwide Averages:  http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus/previous/cvus107.pdf

I’ve read somewhere that the average violent crime takes on the order of 1-2 minutes.   That’s eminently believable; I damn well know someone with a knife can carve another person up like a steak to the point they won’t survive in a minute or less.  A baseball bat can do the trick even quicker.  So that means in only a small fraction of the cases (far less than 10%) would the police even be able to arrive during the crime – much less in time to prevent it, or to prevent injury of the innocent.

There’s a good reason for the old saying “When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.”  It happens to be true.

Anti-gun fools, I don’t much care if you want to help criminals and make yourselves easy targets incapable of defending yourself against an armed attacker.  But I take exception to you making it impossible for me to defend myself and my family.

And so does the US Constitution.

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  1. Ex-PH2 says:

    @100 – The REAL problem is that the liberal end does NOT want to FEEL anything. They want to maintain an even strain. Everything is fine. Everything is just fine. No disturbances in the pool that is their mindset, just stagnant water. They do not want to FEEL anything.

  2. Scubasteve says:

    #63, Hondo, but when Joe moves here and sees that schools are bombed with propane tanks and students are still killed, like what happened in Brindisi, Italy in May what’s he going to do?
    Anders Breivik, as we all know was originally a redneck, 2nd Amendment supporting, gun owning American, right?
    Hell, they even like to kill each other over here for sexy time. Just ask Foxy Knoxy.
    Yeah, the WORLD is a fucked up place, Joe. If you ever left your basement and stopped eating cheetos, you’d know that.
    Murders happen here all the time. Done with carpet knives, kitchen knives, pantyhose, or other implements of a non-warfighting variety. And there’s a large number of children and women that are victims. No mass murders, unless you want to count Eastern Europe, but to hijack your people’s rally cry, isn’t one too many?

    It’s stupid here. Giving someone the finger is a ticket-able offense (found that one out myself). It falls under some defamation and insult of character laws. Everyone is supposed to play nice and get along. But people are still killing each other. Move over here for a few years and see what your ‘dream state’ looks like in reality.

  3. Joe says:

    Some have suggested teachers need to be armed, that would solve the problem. Here’s what Great Britain’s “The Telegraph” rightly thinks of that notion: “Such is the contagion of madness”. Couldn’t have put it better myself.

  4. Nik says:

    And here’s what the Dalai Lama has to say on the subject, “If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.”

    We can play dueling quotes all day long.

  5. Joe says:

    Here’s another – “I’ve seen the enemy, and he is us”.

  6. Nik says:

    Incidentally, the Dalai Lama quote is particularly appropriate given that it was given in response to a girl asking what you should do if someone is pointing a gun at a classmate.

  7. Joe says:

    A situation that is only likely to happen in the US.

  8. Hondo says:

    Joe: I fully agree. You’re definitely a part of the problem.

    My offer stands. Move to somewhere in Europe (if you can find somewhere that will have you) and provide proof you’ve renounced your US citizenship, and I’ll provide some $$$ to help offset your travel there. It will be money well spent.

    Now, do you have anything to add to the discussion – or are you just hanging out to demonstrate your ignorance?

  9. Joe says:

    No, you probably need it more than I do.

  10. Hondo says:

    Only in the US? Really?

    Ask the folks in Norway about that, Joe. Then get back to us.

  11. Hondo says:

    Joe: I can assure you I can spare some $$$, and won’t send any more than I can reasonably afford.

    C’mon – take me up on my offer.

  12. Nik says:

    Wait…what are the gun control laws in Norway like?

  13. Hondo says:

    Best I can tell they’re like most of Europe, Nik – much stricter than ours.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway

    And the worst massacre of “children” using guns that I know of happened there in 2011, when Anders Breivik went off his nut and shot up a summer camp. 55 of the 69 killed were between the ages of 14 and 19. 110 other individuals were injured, 55 seriously.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway_massacre

    That was why I was telling Joe to check with folks in Norway and get back to us. He was saying such things only happen here. They don’t; they’ve also happened in Norway (above) and in the UK (twice, each killing 17). Copycat attacks were also foiled in the Czech republic and Poland earlier this year.

  14. Nik says:

    Wait..a school got shot up by some madman in a country with stricter laws than ours? Really? Naw….Must be nonsense made up by the Conservative Mainstream Media…

  15. Ex-PH2 says:

    What Joe is saying is “get rid of everything that scares you”.

    If you’re afraid of the dark, get rid of the dark. If you’re afraid of eggs, get rid of eggs. If you’re afraid of sofas, get rid of sofas. If you’re afraid of goosefeathers, then get rid of goosefeathers. I’m sure the geese would be happy to get rid of you, too.

    You cannot just get rid of things that frighten you. You have to be a grownup and face them, whether you like it or not. There IS NO enemy. If you’re that afraid of the real world, then get some professional help with your problem, Joe, and grow the hell up. I’m tired of whining. You don’t have a solution to any problem. You just like to whine and contradict everyone — the mark of a completely immature personality.

    You’re the problem, Joe. It’s not the guns. It’s not the people who have them. It’s you. You’re afraid of your own damned shadow and you’re so afraid of so many things, you’re never going to outlive your own fears because it’s easier to sit in a corner and complain and whine than it is to face them.

  16. USMCE8Ret says:

    Joe. Here’s the deal…

    Since you’re so fixated on England and Europe, you really should consider moving there.

    Those of us who actually BELIEVE what is written in the Constitution and Bill of Rights do so like those who preceded us 237+ years ago, which is precisely why we fought and won indepence from the country you’d clearly be in.

  17. Ex-PH2 says:

    I posted this earlier today on “Idiots on gun control”.

    Here’s a statistic that one and all should find interesting, from the local news station noontime survey:

    Should schoolteachers be trained to use and allowed to carry guns?

    75% — Yes
    25% — No

  18. Ex-PH2 says:

    This is a program that is being implemented in some school districts:

    http://www.schoolsecurity.org/trends/students_fight_gunmen.html

  19. Flagwaver says:

    I have an idea. Let us look at this country that Joe seems to want. A country where the population cannot own weapons by rule of law. A country where mentally ill people must be registered with the government for the safety of the state. A country where the government takes care of the people from all threats against them, no matter where those threats come from.

    Guess what, I didn’t just describe Joe’s perfect America (at least, I hope not). I just described Germany pre-WWII. That’s right, old Chancellor Hitler made Germany just like Joe wants America to be. Didn’t really end well for the Jews, Mentally Ill, or the Homosexuals, did it?

  20. Joe says:

    PH – #117

    As I said before, such is the contagion of madness. You guys are fucking mad.

  21. Ex-PH2 says:

    Flagwaver, you just described any one of the countries confiscated by Stalin at the end of WWII, under the heading of Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

    Isn’t it just a pity that the USSR went bankrupt in 1989 and was dissolved? If it still existed, we could ship Joe over there.

  22. Old Trooper says:

    @103: Why haven’t you acknowledged the facts that armed citizens have stopped massacres from occurring in this country? I have provided 3 examples right off the top of my head and one of them was at a school. So; you and the British fishwrapper are wrong. Many can be stopped, you just don’t want to admit the obvious, because it doesn’t fit the narrative that you and the other utopians have built up for yourself.

  23. UpNorth says:

    @#46, jumping to conclusions is the only exercise Joey gets. His mind is made up, never, ever try to confuse him with facts.
    Joey, if we’re mad, “fucking mad”, please, take Hondo up on his offer. You’re far too good to live with us madmen, and women.
    On another note, it will be little noted and not remembered that you have nothing when someone lays a fact or two on you, except to go LaLaLa with your hands over your eyes.

  24. Ex-PH2 says:

    Hey, Joe, if you don’t like it here, then leave. No one is stopping from moving to another country. Or to another planet. Just go.

    I’ll repeat what I’ve already said: You’re the problem, Joe. It’s not the guns. It’s not the people who have them. It’s you. You’re afraid of your own damned shadow and you’re so afraid of so many things, you’re never going to outlive your own fears because it’s easier to sit in a corner and complain and whine than it is to face them.

    Now one is going to keep you from moving some place else. Just go. What are you waiting for? Your birthday?

  25. NHSparky says:

    WE’RE fucking mad, Joe? That’s YOUR utopia, not ours.

  26. Ex-PH2 says:

    We’re mad? How are we mad?

    Because we aren’t afraid to stand up for ourselves?

    Because we aren’t willing to just rollover and die?

    Because we believe in defending ourselves?

    Because we aren’t afraid of our own shadows, like you are?

    How is that madness?

    You can pull the covers up over your useless head and pull the pillow over your ears all you want to. It isn’t going to make the ‘bad’ stuff go away.

    And no matter what you do, some day, you’re still going to die. And there’s nothing you can do about it.

    That’s the real secret. We ALL know about it. And we aren’t afraid of it.

  27. Flagwaver says:

    Not too far from where I live in Oregon, a gunman opened fire in a mall and shot three people. Do you know what stopped him from shooting more? Not his sense of decency, but the fact he saw a private citizen with a pistol. That caused the shooter to turn the gun on himself.

    Guess what, the private citizen was going to shoot the guy, but refrained because the area behind the gunman was not clear. The guy, to my knowledge, was not a veteran or a cop. He was just a private citizen with a CCW.

    Tell me, would you rather have left the gunman with his 900 rounds of ammunition and three weapons THAT HE STOLE remain in the building waiting for cops to arrive on scene?

    The shooter took about two minutes from the time he walked into the food court until he shot himself. The police took seven minutes to respond from the first 911 call (after the shots began). Then, another ten minutes to actually effect entry into the mall. Tell me, would you want to wait seventeen minutes for the police to stop the shooter, or two minutes for a citizen to stop the shooter?

    You decide.

  28. UpNorth says:

    Flagwaver, Joey would want to go reason with the citizen, because he was carrying one of those evil guns, and the mall should have been a gun-free zone.

    And, how dare the citizen take into account his backdrop before he fired. It would have been so much better for the meme if he’d touched off a round or two and hit an innocent.

  29. Nik says:

    Really? Nobody went there?

    *ahem*

    Madness? THIS IS SPARTA!!!!

  30. Hondo says:

    Joe doesn’t have the guts to act on his apparent convictions by moving to another country and renouncing his US citizenship. I’ve called his bluff by offering to send him some cash to help pay for one-way plane fare after he does that and provides proof. He’s declined. See comments 108, 109, and 111 above.

  31. PavePusher says:

    @ 36: Joe, would there be more or fewer dead kids if a teacher had been armed?

    Straight answer, please.

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