The liberal mindlessness

| December 19, 2012 | 30 Comments

The two biggest issues in the news this week are the impending Obama Tax Hikes coming the first of the year and the cuts to defense spending that go with it, and we’re looking at some form of gun control. Both of those things are related to each other in that Liberals don’t like things that make them feel sad and it makes them feel sad that we spend too much money on our own defense, irrespective of the place we hold in the world. They also feel sad when a score of children get shot down in their school. Not that it doesn’t make me sad, too, but the difference is that I don’t blame anyone but the gun man, and his mother who failed to secure the guns in her home knowing that her son was unbalanced, and it turns out that she was going to have him committed.

They’re not too keen on seeking long term solutions, or looking at the consequences of their outcry, they just want to “do something” that makes them feel better RIGHT NOW! So their solution to defense spending is to let the cuts take effect automatically. Liberals are convinced that our current state of relative peace will continue regardless of what they do today.

In regards to the gun issue and their simplistic, anti-intellectual solution – stop letting people buy guns and everyone will automatically stop killing other people. Regardless of the fact that it’s no real solution – but it will make them feel better because they did something.

Just like the tax hike problem, they say they want to have a discussion and a compromise, but what they mean by that is that they want our side to sit down and shut up while we listen to them preach to us.

Yesterday, they were complaining because the NRA went silent in the social media since Friday’s shootings. Today’s complaint is that the NRA is releasing a statement on the shootings this week.

There’s no compromise, there’s no discussion until we all accept their solutions without question. When we turn in all of our guns, they’ll still complain about something or other. Just like they complain that the Republican Party is “too white” and then when a Black man is appointed to fill a Senate seat who happens to be a Republican they call him vile names.

There’s no reason to placate these intellectually vacant turds, so we just put our heads down and drive forward. Liberals have never been in the business of solutions, just doing things that make them feel better about themselves, regardless of who gets hurt in the interim. They thrive on crisis, so if their solutions don’t work, it’s because we didn’t go far enough the first time.

Category: Barack Obama/Joe Biden, Gun Grabbing Fascists, Military issues

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  1. GruntSgt says:

    Not to mention liberals, the ACLU and other assorted believers in Unicorns, harmonic convergence, and magic crystals are responisible for the shutting down of mental institutions and unloosing crazies on the street and then suing to prevent forced medicating of same crazies. So who’s really responsible? I suggest they look in a mirror. Nurse Ratchet was the real hero of “One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest”

  2. Whitey_wingnut says:

    Hit the nail on the head GruntSgt.

  3. OldCavLt says:

    Once again, we’re confusing “motion” with “action.”

  4. obsidian says:

    I try to ignore the liberals I don’t care about what they do but some how what ever I do becomes their passion to stop.
    I don’t like a lot of things such as 1.3 million deaths a year due to abortion and all of the victims are helpless children.
    yet If I decide to own a weapon to protect myself and family I am a potential mass murder suspect, even though I don’t even wish the deaths of aborted children.
    I’d OK I’ll swap you the second amendment if you liberal’s quit killing helpless babies while they are still in the womb.
    Frankly the battle cry of ban guns and save a child sound mighty hollow and completely stupid in the face of liberal abortion laws that actually DO KILL CHILDREN.
    By the millions.

  5. Country Singer says:

    “…if their solutions don’t work, it’s because we didn’t go far enough the first time.”

    The other excuse is, “the right people weren’t in place to execute the policy.” It’s never that the policy, which is invariably socialist in nature, was incondite and unable to withstand reality.

    Leftist ideas: so good they have to be mandatory.

  6. Ex-PH2 says:

    Obsidian, it would be more accurate to say ‘using abortion as a means of birth control’, because that is why it’s done.

    ‘Liberals are convinced that our current state of relative peace will continue regardless of what they do today.’ Yes, this will last just as long as it takes a few people to see a weak spot, and then BOOOM!!!

    And then, they’ll start crying hysterically, want someone to protect them, run around wringing their hands over it, and start kissing up to the military again. Maybe the military should say ‘no’ and go on about its business next time.

  7. Anonymous says:

    With respect to you, Jonn, for a great website that I learn a lot from, hearing you talk about ‘the liberal mindset’ (as if there’s one, and only one), is a bit like asking that guy from DailyKos to talk about ‘the conservative mindset’. I can already guess it’d be a description of scared, racist morons, even though that’s clearly not true.

    I’m an actual liberal, yet I don’t blame guns for the carnage in Newtown, I DO look for long-term solutions, hate this ‘must do something’ mentality of our politicians, want a strong national defense, etc., etc.

    Plenty of us shoot and own firearms and aren’t the least bit interested in taking yours, even if some of us think that there might be improvements to the status quo in terms of gun safety mechanisms. That isn’t some horribly evil scenario, it’s recognizing that things aren’t perfect and looking for solutions, and weighing the effectiveness of any proposed solutions with the downsides of implementing them.

    We’ll never be able to screen out all the psychos, even with a massive increase in mental health training and access. We’ll also never be able to stop them from killing – be it guns, explosives, fires, whatever, they’ll find tools to do it. But given the number of gun deaths, IS there (as an open question) any way to reduce the chances of similar events occurring without reducing your rights? Better training -including on gun safety, locks, etc.- for owners before they purchase a weapon, for example? As I said, open question, and maybe your answer is an unqualified ‘no’, but asking it doesn’t make someone mindless and wanting to take your guns.

  8. Anonymous says:

    @4: I know you won’t like this response, but for me personally, I don’t view an early-stage fetus as a human baby. Late stage? That’s considerably more murky and uncertain for me.

    I don’t like abortion, mind you, but I don’t equate the early ending of a pregnancy with murder. Most of us, for better or worse, do view a fetus and a living, breathing person as different — if there was a fire at a fertility clinic and you had time to save a family of four or one hundred fetuses, I think the vast majority of us would unquestionably save the family.

    Again, I don’t like abortion and would prefer to see fewer of them, but I do find it very different from the murder of children.

    (I’d rather not jack this entire thread with that discussion, though.)

  9. John says:

    @8 I do not equate the 3 AR’s I own with the murder of kids last friday but there are people that do. There are many people that see abortion as murder but to say you dont because you dont see them as people is the same thing.

  10. @7: You ask, given the number of gun deaths, is there any way to reduce the chances of similar events occurring without reducing my rights? Here’s an answer you may not like, but it’s a true one. Yes – but it doesn’t involve dealing with the guns, but with the people who shoot them and the surroundings.

    Schools are already gun-free zones. If you want that enforced, now, you need things like metal detectors and armed security guards. You cannot have enforcement of those things without people in place to prevent it.

    These shootings are not about the weapons. They are about the individuals who commit crimes with the weapons – and I would argue, about the new recent liberal trend against keeping dangerous mentally ill individuals off the streets. The new push is towards “integration” of severely disturbed children into normal classes, “integration” of severely disturbed adults into workplaces and homes. This shit is poison.

  11. UpNorth says:

    @#10. Some states have gone so far as to allow the recipient of a committal to sign him or herself out of the facility, if they don’t want to stay. The mentally ill are, indeed, running what few asylums there are.
    And, you’re absolutely correct about “mainstreaming”. The severely disturbed 10, 11 or 14 year old has to be put into a regular classroom, so they don’t “feel bad” about themselves. The severely disturbed adult must be allowed to walk in traffic to panhandle, accost citizens on downtown streets, wander the workplace without supervision and on and on, so they feel like they’re one with their fellow citizens.
    It is poison, and some want us to drink deeply of it, so they can feel good about themselves.

  12. Smaj says:

    There are well meaning (but deluded) people who think getting rid of guns means stopping gun violence. The wannabe tyrants (the Obamas, Feinsteins, Boxers, Bloombergs, Schumers of this world) will use these well meaning people as a smokescreen to carry out their true agenda- disarming the American citizenry so they can exert unrestrained power over us.

  13. DefendUSA says:

    A liberal is a stunted thinker. A liberal has constant views of the short term fix, never the bigger picture. Evah.

    The President had the fucking balls today to talk about raising taxes and somehow tying it to the shooting in CT. It. really. pisses. me. off.

  14. Ex-PH2 says:

    Defend, where was that part? The only part I saw was the clip when he said he wants to ‘find ways to solve the problem’, ‘not take away the 2nd amendment’, etc., which means he will do nothing (as usual) but let others do it for him.
    Pelosi wants to take away all magazines. I want to send her a subscription to Better Homes & Gardens magazine. And also if there is one, a magazine on how to find a cure for her addiction to plastic surgery. She’s 74 and still trying to pretend she’s 35. It’s getting REALLY old.
    These are not solutions, they are just pandering to the crowds.
    I don’t know if there IS a solution, but it will boil down to yap-yap-yap and that’s about all.

  15. melle1228 says:

    @8

    Late term pregnancy- You are uncertain if that is a human baby or not? Think maybe you need to go back to biology class.

  16. Rindvieh says:

    I’m all for allowing teachers to carry if they wish, but doubt it will widely happen. Why can’t every classroom be hardened like cockpits are now; steel doors etc. These victims needed 10 minutes time from when he broke into the school building until the police arrived, and didn’t get it. Two or three women lunged at him with no weapons, why not at least Tasers or pepper spray? Of course I’m not up on the details of how it went down.

  17. Hondo says:

    Army Sergeant: “mainstreaming” in mental health care is hardly new. It began in the 1950s and dramatically picked up steam in the late 1960s and 1970s. It’s been proceeding apace ever since.

    Yes, there were serious abuses before the 1950s in some places. But we’ve gone way too far the other way in reaction. There are IMO thousands of loonies out there today that, for their own and society’s protection, simply should not be walking around without supervision. Literally.

  18. Regarding the Newtown massacre, just read an interesting article with new info. Pretty relevant to the discussion of the past few days, considering it focuses on the mother’s apparent efforts to have her son committed: Fear of being committed may have caused Connecticut gunman to snap

    The gunman who slaughtered 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school may have snapped because his mother was planning to commit him to a psychiatric facility, according to a lifelong resident of the area who was familiar with the killer’s family and several of the victims’ families.

    Adam Lanza, 20, targeted Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown after killing his mother early Friday [b]because he believed she loved the school “more than she loved him,”[/b] said Joshua Flashman, 25, who grew up not far from where the shooting took place. Flashman, a U.S. Marine, is the son of a pastor at an area church where many of the victims’ families worship.

    “From what I’ve been told, [b]Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed,”[/b] Flashman told FoxNews.com. [b]“Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off.”[/b]

    A senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation confirmed that Lanza’s anger at his mother over plans for “his future mental health treatment” is being looked at as a possible motive for the deadly shooting.

    Flashman was told Nancy Lanza had begun filing paperwork to get conservatorship over her troubled son, but that could not be confirmed because a court official told FoxNews.com such records are sealed. The move would have been necessary for her to gain the legal right to commit an adult to a hospital or psychiatric facility against his will. A competency hearing had not yet been held.

    Adam Lanza attended the Sandy Hook School as a boy, according to Flashman, who said Nancy Lanza had volunteered there for several years. Two law enforcement sources said they believed Nancy Lanza had been volunteering with kindergartners at the school. Most of Lanza’s victims were first graders sources believe Nancy Lanza may have worked with last year.

    Flashman said Nancy Lanza was also good friends with the school’s principal and psychologist — both of whom were killed in the shooting rampage.

    “Adam Lanza believed she cared more for the children than she did for him, and the reason he probably thought this [was the fact that] she was petitioning for conservatorship and wanted to have him committed,” Flashman said. “I could understand how he might perceive that — that his mom loved him less than she loved the kids, loved the school. But she did love him. But he was a troubled kid and she probably just couldn’t take care of him by herself anymore.”

  19. 2-17 Air Cav says:

    And when we have a motive, what? This isn’t a murder mystery. Whatever demons drove that deranged retardate to do what he did—aw, fahgetaboutit.

  20. PALADIN says:

    In my experiance dealing with Liberals , they have always been people with issues, usually problems with Authority and lack of a good parental role model , who spoiled them rotten like this little son of a b$%^ch in Conneticut.
    Or did’nt parent their kids at all.
    Not suprizing the majority of them have had a problem with drugs and usually have never succeeded at anything in their lives , unless you include bullshit.
    Hence the attitude, “you did’nt build that ”
    A survey was conducted last year and i wish i could find it, which said the majority of them also suffer from depression and of all the people of different political stripes , they are the most likely to commit suicide.

    Yep the consensus is right, LIBERALISM IS A MENTAL DISEASE
    Pure and simple.

    No wonder when ever they govern , the country goes to shit.

  21. Ex-PH2 says:

    I don’t think it’s really mental disease.

    It’s closer to mark if you realize that these parents think they should reason with a two year old or a three year old, explain everything including why they can’t have pie for breakfast, and don’t reprimand them when they are rude as hell. They also don’t make them sit at a table to eat their meals, or use knives, forks and spoons; instead, they eat their meals some place, they don’t know how to use flatware, and they have no table manners even if they’re 18 years old. In fact, they have no manners at all.

    That isn’t a mental disease. It’s poor parenting, brought to you by good old Dr. Spock.

  22. Anonymous says:

    @10 (Army Sergeant): I don’t mind that answer at all; I know it’s not chiefly about the guns. The mental health issues are indeed paramount, and recognizing you can’t ‘save’ everyone is key. Fortunately, I think many -not all, certainly, but many- liberals think similarly to how I do.

    There’s this caricature that we can’t face harsh realities, and thus want to hug terrorists until they change their mind, tell precious little snowflakes how special they are until they change the world, and integrate very deeply disturbed people into normal society in the hopes that it ‘rubs off’ on them. Clearly this is unrealistic, and we need to strike the right balance between institutionalizing people who are a threat and getting people help who can be helped. Assessing that properly is hard and psychology has a good number of quacks in it already. This isn’t an easy fix, but it’s one we need to start working towards.

    In the meantime, while I personally don’t like the idea of metal detectors and armed guards, if that’s a stop-gap measure we need, so be it. Trained, armed guards? That’s a far cry better than merely arming teachers, which is one such ‘solution’ I heard tossed around.

  23. Anonymous says:

    @15 (melle1228): Perhaps we simply disagree, but I did express myself poorly – it’s clear a late-term pregnancy is VERY similar to a human baby’s life in biological terms, but we all value life differently at different stages. Again, in the hypothetical I proposed, who do you save? Let’s make it more complicated and have a bunch of embryos in different stages, some kids, some adults, some grandparents, etc. Who do you save?

    For me, embryos are lowest on the list, followed by grandparents, then parents, then kids. Maybe I mix it up with the last two if I know the kids are related to the parents. Fact is, to me, an embryo in ANY stage is not quite equal to a living, breathing human. I probably wouldn’t risk my own life going back into a burning building to save even a hundred embryos, but I would for one infant.

    If you feel otherwise, perhaps you’re simply a better man than I am. I view our ‘humanity’ as our memories, our lives, etc., not our biological determinism.

  24. Anonymous says:

    @21 (Ex-PH2): I do think there’s a big difference between idiot, spoiled kids and dumb parents and very real, mentally disturbed people. The latter can be found in families with good parenting, and it’s still a sad, scary and ultimately chaotic situation.

  25. melle1228 says:

    >..>>Perhaps we simply disagree, but I did express myself poorly – it’s clear a late-term pregnancy is VERY similar to a human baby’s life in biological terms,>>>

    Yeah you are probably expressing yourself poorly or you are simply ignorant. A 7 month old fetus is NOT an embryo and isn’t “similiar” to a human baby. It is a human baby.

    And your hypothetical would never happen. A reasonably hypothetical is choosing between and embryo and the life of the mother and if right to lifers agree that the life of the mother takes precedent. THOSE ABORTIONS ARE RARE. The majority of abortion are done for convenience. There is no life saving measure. And in your hypothetical, you could also say that it is more feasible to save a child than an elderly person because children have more years left in them. Is it okay then to kill elderly people?

    And if you view humanity as our memories etc. then you are quite okay with newborns getting killed, since not many if any people retain memories of when we are newborn.

    From the moment of conception, that it is a human life. That is an undisputed scientific fact. It is a human in another stage of development much the way that a newborn does not look like an adult.

    And what you are saying by viewing humanity by our “lives” and “memories” is that even born children are more disposable than adults because adult have had more of a life and more memories.

    Abortion tends to be the emotional illogical position whereas prolifers who are accused of being zealots tend to be more logical in their position.

  26. PALADIN says:

    @ExPH2 Yes it’s poor parenting , i agree.
    I don’t know how old you are , but i’ll be 50 in feburary and my parents taught us right and wrong.
    My Pappy was a tough man and when he gave you the “look’ , thats usually all it took.
    It’s been different for a long time, why is that?
    Is it a reflection of society, have we become a nation of psychotic cowards ?

    Me thinks a lot of us have, and you can blame the Liberal media machine and educational Nazis for that.
    You teach your kids at home to be good citizens and it all gets torn down by the Liberal social engineers.
    What is being perpetrated in the media and educational and the current Liberal Government is nothing short of a crime against the citizenry of this country.

    Liberals are self hating and expect everyone else to be too.
    Thats a sure sign of mental illness.

  27. USMCE8Ret says:

    @18 – You say: “The gunman who slaughtered 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school may have…” Emphasis on MAY HAVE. This, in no way, implies this was a motive.

    Also –

    “From what I’ve been told…” is hearsay. Unless someone has first hand knowledge of the mom’s intentions, cannot be construed as being absolutely true just because they heard it from someone else.

    This is poor reporting, which is indicative of our media today since they like to sensationalize and distort the truth.

  28. Ex-PH2 says:

    @24, I agree that there is an element of good parents with disturbed children. However, I was making a generalization based on what I now see at the grocery stores, restaurants and other places where people gather. The percentage of families with truly disturbed children and/or parents is smaller than the rest of the population.

    I find it just plain wierd that this generation of parents do not know how to discipline their kids and teach them table manners. My sister and brother and our four cousins learned how to use tableware and napkins and glasses when we were three. I’ve seen women hand feeding 10 year old children who were perfectly capable of feeding themselves. If you question them, they get defensive with “you’re saying I’m a bad parent”.

    For pete’s sake, I was making gingerbread and ice box cookies out of my mothers Better Homes & Gardens cookbook when I was five, as long as my mother was in the kitchen watching me. I made popcorn in a wire basket on the stove when I was six. My sister was running a wringer washing machine, the kind that can crush your hand, when she was eight. We earned our allowances doing household chores.

    I don’t understand these parents who do everything for their kids and do not give them any responsibility or teach them any manners. And maybe that’s the answer to why the occutards and that whole generation are the bunch of slacker, snarky brats they are, and why they hate everything and everybody, especially themselves.

    There are exceptions to that, I know, and they stand out, but there are far too many who are that way.

  29. USMCE8Ret says:

    @28 – Some folks would call parents who coddle their kids too much “hover” parents, or “helicopter parenting”. There’s a book about it I’ll have to dig up if you’re interested in the title.

    Though I can’t substantiate the facts given in the news report, I was surprised to read that the 6th grader who took a gun to school in Utah was encouraged to take a gun to school by his parents… and some other kids have taken guns to school too. It’s crazy if it’s true. How in the hell can they consider themselves responsible parents if they allow access to ANY gun in the house to a kid?

  30. Ex-PH2 says:

    USMC8, I thought about what you said a lot. When I was considerably younger, parents who had a tradition of game hunting taught their kids at a young age to handle weapons safely and correctly. My uncle took all three of his boys hunting from the time they were six years old. No one thought it was crazy.

    I don’t understand this generation of parents who have kids who are completely out of control at an early age, but then come unglued when one of them does something seriously wrong like this kid did.

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