Irrational fears
ADDED: Here’s the scary photo;
One of our fans on Facebook sent us this message about an irrational over-reaction to the school shootings in the news;
As a registered gun owner in NJ I’ve been ranting and raving about the nonsense the Democrats are trying to pull with gun control/takeover. Today, I had my 17 year old daughter call me from school in tears because she’d been in the office for over an hour with 2 vice principles and the school policeman interrogating her over a picture she posted on Instagram of her hand holding my husband’s new Glock. “Someone” reported the picture, and that it made them feel nervous and intimidated.
Then the police showed up at our home to “see” my husbands gun and encourage him to come get a trigger lock even though it isn’t a law here to have one. I went to the school to get my daughter, they made her remove the picture from her Instagram and told her she wasn’t allowed to talk about the incident. They had 3 police in the school search her locker and gym locker. The reporting person is allowed to stay anonymous.
My daughter can’t defend herself in any way and has to remove a private picture from her Instagram account. They were probably pissed that while trying to intimidate her by telling her how irresponsible it was that her finger was touching the trigger, she responded by telling them her step-dad had cleared the gun prior to handing it to her and that you can clearly see in the picture there wasn’t even a magazine in the gun.
They were surprised that I had approved the picture before it was put up and that I still see nothing wrong with it. I’m not sure what I’m going to do about any of it but wanted to share the insanity.
She didn’t tell us the name of the school or the town, I’m guessing because she doesn’t want it to splash back on her children. We’ve read stories about kids getting suspended for pointing their index finger and drawing pictures of guns and this is just as ridiculous. It doesn’t sound like the teenager threatened anyone, but a picture is somehow threatening all by itself. It’s no wonder that politicians feel pressured to pass anything to appear as if they’re doing something.
January 14th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
I would strongly urge them to talk to a good civil liberties lawyer. They don’t have to do anything, but talk; however, they need to make sure it gets back to the stasi, er, police and school people. Otherwise, I guarantee they will be harrassed and their daughter intimidated and coerced into admitting something that will let them act. Talking with a good lawyer will, hopefully, make them sit back and not act further and maybe get the photo restored too, since the legality of their order to remove the photo is questionable, to say the least. Punch back twice as hard, or they will do more than just punch next time.
January 14th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Sadly I agree. Have seen first hand how much power schools have when they even THINK something is going on at the home, and their interpretation is all that’s needed to cause a crap storm.
January 14th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Schools here run amok on a regular basis with the power they yield. I also agree they should speak with a lawyer if at all possible to do so.
January 14th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
I wonder what this school does to protect its students from the threat of mass murders. I can guess. Nada. But I bet they have a helluva anti-bullying program.
January 14th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
One more point: Tell the daughter that if she is called in for any reason, that she is to ask that her parents and her lawyer be called then. That if she is not allowed to do so to say nothing except that she has been told to not to talk without her parents and a laywer present. That if she is put alone with any adult, she should scream loudly and yell STOP! Don’t care if it’s a cop, do it. Record if possible, or even if not. Do not take chances with those people.
January 14th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
This is garbage. I can’t stand the direction our country is going. We will all be criminals soon, and all we need to do to earn that monicer is abide by the constitution. Our country is under seige.
January 14th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Put fingers in your ears and repeatedly shout “lawyer” at the top of your lungs until they comply. It shouldn’t take long.
January 14th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
I was told a few years ago that my son was too violent because he and his other friends play soldier at recess. This was at a school on a military base. I asked them if they knew what both of his parents did as a profession standing there in uniform…at a school on a military base…full of military kids and spouses…I could not formulate any other words that didn’t involve knife hand and swearing.
January 14th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
This crap is getting real old. Its those so called anonymous idiots that seem to be instigating these incidents. Why are responsible gun owners being targeted? Go figure.
HMA
January 14th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
I hope they stand up to these bullies in school administrator/police clothing, get a good civil rights lawyer, and sue the school and the police for abuse of power, mental anguish, invasion of privacy, abridgment of freedom of speech, libel, and whatever else they can.
January 14th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Call the ACLU and get a calling card for the girl to present next time. Expain on the instagram site that the dangerous photo was removed because of a demand (under color of authority) by of the vps.
January 14th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
As an Eagle Scout and former camp staff (Shooting Sports!), I’m with Laughing Wolf (#5)– What he said is exactly in line with youth protection training, and no administrator wants to get anywhere near that can of worms. Good thinking!
One thing to add… if it’s a photograph of a minor, do you really want to post that on your blog? Regardless of the situation, I don’t see how posting a picture of a minor helps anything. If anything, with or without daddy’s permission, it could just as easily make her look like one of those Facebook nuts who need to pose with a gun just to feel better about themselves.
January 14th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
“You WILL comply. Resistance is futile.”
Sound familiar?
It appears that the Second isn’t the only Amendment that’s being attacked. It looks like the First is also being threatened.
It also appears that we aren’t a free country anymore.
January 14th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
“It’s no wonder that politicians feel pressured to pass anything to appear as if they’re doing something.”
I’m thinking it’s a chicken-egg thing, here. I think the MSM and democrats, I repeat myself, are pushing the paranoia and it’s bleeding down to schools and local PD’s. If Obama, instead of appointing another task force, just said everyone needs to take a minute and chill, would we be here? If Cuomo, instead of pleading for more gun grab legislation, said everyone needs to calm down, would we be here? The politicians and media have proclaimed that something must be done. Well, the schools are doing something. Putting pictures on private collections on instagram is now taboo.
January 14th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
I encourage you to make this lady and the school in question famous. They can not prohibit her from not only talking about it but force her to take down a picture on a private site. Can everyone here say LAWSUIT
January 14th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
When the shit hits the fan, most of us who are too cozy, soft, or concerned for our families or job security and will continue to look to others to be our voice and muscle. These things shouldn’t be a consideration in our wonderful democracy but when the designed tension among the three brances begins to fail and the three act as one in harmony, trouble is near. When those we elect are willing to begin pulling the threads that form our constitutional republic, the only voices and muscle that remain aren’t to be found in Washington. If this sounds alarmist, it is. If it sounds foolish, wait.
January 14th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
It’s beginning to look like the insanity of the left is contageous. This is simply nuts.
Can only join the chorus of those who have advised consultation with a good lawyer. It needs to be a local one who is familiar with all the local laws, codes and ordinances. Being a respected member of the community would be an added bonus.
January 14th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Okay, you can see I did not resolve to make 2013 the year I use Spellcheck. Maybe if I just slow down and read my comments before I post them…
January 14th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
WHY does she have to remove the picture? With what will she, a minor, be charged if she doesn’t? What authority and justification have they to search her home? How and for what reason can they forbid her from discussing the “incident”?
I would like answers.
January 14th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
@12, seeing the picture, I withdraw my concerns.
January 14th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
The trigger on that Glock appears to be in the rearmost position. This means one of three things. The pistol was dry fired on an empty chamber, snap cap, or round that did not go boom.
Could the policemen who were called to look at this not see that?
January 14th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Definitely involve a lawyer, they cannot “make’ her remove a photo from a private site. Also sue for pain and suffering for the humiliation over something that was in no way illegal.
Besides that, the second thing I would do is pull my daughter from the school and enroll her in a charter school or homeschool her.
My biggest regret is not homeschooling my kids. They would have had a far better education and any worries about fascist school staff or security would have been negated.
January 14th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
I doubt the police that showed up had any authority to search the home. I would guess that they showed up, said there was some concern about the welfare of a minor, and could they see the gun. Could the police see this is ridiculous? Probably, so they made a suggestion so as not to seem idiotic, but with the welfare of a minor involved, better safe than sorry – can you image what would happen to the cops if the kid got hurt?
As to the school administration – they can’t make her take anything down or refrain from talking about the incident, but they can make her life unpleasant if she doesn’t. Such is the power trip of school administrators. Too little work, too much ego.
I would also recommend a good lawyer because this incident will get out – likely because the “reporter” will start bragging. Then those who have been made to look stupid will start trying to justify their ridiculous existence. It is best to have your ducks in a row. As ludicrous as this may sound – try the ACLU. They are (1) free and (2) influential with teachers unions. If not, the NRA might be able to recommend someone. Someone local is best because they understand the politics, however most “civil rights” folks like Amendments 1, and 3-10 and the Second Amendment not so much.
January 14th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
How dare you put that picture up! I had to send my kids to bed early to avoid them being shot by that scary assault pistol!
Seriously tho, this is insane and yeah… Scary for the country. I feel for all the boys and girls overseas watching this crap go down from the outside. Must be mind blowing.
January 14th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
While I will agree with the content of the letter/article, only a moron posts stuff like this on social media.
Especially considering the issues at hand.
Just an observation.
January 14th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
Well obviously that pretty manicure and bracelet indicate lethal intent! What is wrong with you people! Haha
January 14th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Also, call me crazy, but that hand does not look like it is that of a 17 year old female.
January 14th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Idocy – like this old report (see link to video). #8 MDB reminded me of this story, ’cause of the “knife hand”.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/28/13531342-deaf-childs-sign-language-name-looks-too-much-like-gun-parent-says-school-told-him?lite
January 14th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
I am a teacher in a major urban district. First, ask you daughter if she was in a room with ANY adult (school administrator, teacher, cop, etc.) and the door was closed. If the answer was yes, get a lawyer and go after them for sexual harassment. (The 1st thing I was taught in ed school, maybe the only thing of value, was never be alone with a minor in a room with the door closed). Next go after the school on a 1st amendment violation. Make sure that the administration is fully aware that they are not allowed to talk with your minor child without you or your lawyer present, for ANY reason. Then make sure they bend to your schedule, not the other way around. Make it very clear that if your daughter suffers ANY negative consequences at school, even from her peers, you are going after the school.
I know, it sounds like an overreaction. You have to understand that there is a significant percentage of school administrators (at all levels) who are petty tyrants. That is why they became administrators. A massive pushback, especially if it costs the school (or them personally) money/time is the only language they will understand.
Good Luck.
January 14th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Farsebook is owned and operated by libtards,,stay the hell off it!
January 14th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Well, if she pulled the trigger with her thumb in that position.
Yes, instead of doing something sensible like putting security people at schools, lowering unemployment, making school campuses safer all around, libtards go through facebook/instagram posts.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Pete. Wouldn’t touch facebook with a 10 foot pole myself. For me, and no offense to anyone else, if I’m not in touch with someone currently, then I don’t want to be. Plus the vast majority of people I talk to present facebook as a pain in the *.
And it just exposes you to anyone who wants to know something. employer, future employer.. shakin my head anyone uses it for anything but a sanitized resume.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
These people will not be satisfied until this whole country is just one big, unarmed, sheep pen. An the wolves circling the pen will be a mix of armed bandits and armed agents of the government. Welcome to the Gulag, subjects of the organs of the all powerful state..
January 14th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
@27. I had the same thought when I saw the pic.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
“The reporting person is allowed to stay anonymous.”
This individual put it on social media.
Give me a break.
I support gun rights, don’t get me wrong.
But ignorance and stupidy are similar in concept and usually end up creating problems.
Just an observation.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Every time one of these silly panic attacks by the fearful herd on the left comes up, I get that image in my head from “Mad Max” of Toecutter, the biker, squealing “Oh, I’m SO afraid of old ladies with guns!”
Now, no one wants to live in a shoot-’em-up environment. That’s too much like living in a neighborhood full of gang-bangers. Nobody wants that.
But the panicky kneejerk crap coming into the media from stuff like this makes me wonder — very seriously, too — just what a bunch of sissies and witless wonders are living in urban centers in this country, and how the hell do I get as far away from them as possible.
If the assumption by those braindead clowns is that a picture of a gun makes you a threat of some kind, and always unspecified, of course, then I tremble to think what they’ll do/say/whatever when the real SH and IT hit the fan. All I see coming out of that bunch of nellies is ‘Help me! Help me! Help me!”, because they’re so stupid they don’t even know they’re alive.
Durn, I’m gettin’ cranky in my old age.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
I posted this elsewhere, but it applies here also:
“The weak are the most treacherous of all. They come to the strong and drain them. They are insatiable. They are always parched and bitter. They are everyone’s concern and like vampires, they suck our life’s blood.” – Bette Davis
January 14th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
@37.
You and that Bette Davis kick.
Spooky.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:25 am
GT — some things are timeless. Miss Bette is one of them.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:36 am
Fair enough.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:29 am
Teach them about sex in kindergarten, hand out condoms and birth control, and enable their transgender mental illness. Oh, American public educators you are so wise.
Don’t let them see a gun though.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:19 am
I’m in total agreement that its an “irrational over-reaction”
but one nit-pick: you always treat a gun as if it was loaded, even when you know its not. That means keeping your finger out of the trigger well, even if Dad insists the weapon is cleared.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:48 am
@41: Don’t forget a medical procedure performed on a minor without the parents knowledge or permission (abortion).
This is the part that gets me” ““Someone” reported the picture, and that it made them feel nervous and intimidated.”
Are we fricken serious? Yes, that’s how pussified our country has become. Unfortunately, that’s how most adults are, too, it’s all about feelings. Whether it involves little Billy’s self esteem (can’t use red marker to correct papers, because it will hurt his feelings, can’t keep score because we’re all winners) or some chucklehead adult that “feels” intimidated by the site of an inanimate object that is not being pointed at you, is not accompanied by a written or verbal threat, etc.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:35 am
But I bet they have a helluva anti-bullying program.
Which probably consists of the usual “zero tolerance” bullshit like this here.
Defend yourself, and you’re punished just as severely (or worse) than the aggressor.
And we wonder why the “bullied” bring guns to school. Fists are just as taboo.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:19 am
The only way I would agree with the school’s actions is if she had posted “This is what I’m going to use to shoot up the school.” If she didn’t post some variation of that then it is none of the school’s fracking buisness.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:45 am
School systems would have students and parents believe that their rights are suspended anytime they are on campus. Most do not know better and put up with it. Administrators for the most part are no more than bullies with a title. More and more schools try to punish kids for activities that have nothing to do with school, they they to force a false code of ethics and morals onto kids that often do not match those of the parents. I have spent more time in the principles office as an adult than I ever did as I kid and my children for the most part are very well behaved. 2 years ago my son drove my jeep to school, the dog hit on it in what was supposed to be a random search, the dog hit on no other cars. My jeep was ” searched” to the point of being damaged by the staff and the private dog handler. My son was not allowed to call me until the event was over. Nothing was found and when I went and questioned the administration I was told I had no other recourse. I order my biscuits from the bastard now…
January 15th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Insane, hard to believe just 24 years ago the student parking lot at my high school was full of pick ups with full gun racks. Further insanity is the Police going to the home and asking to see the weapon… without a warrant?? Be damned if I would have entertained them.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:20 am
My High School guidence counsler was so anti-military that she told my recruiter that I was a drug dealer and Satan worshiper so he wouldn’t sign me up. That was pretty much her MO with any student that was enlisting.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:20 am
Wow, that is frightening. My son enjoys skeet and trap shooting (He’s 11.) Sometimes I Facebook his better shots. Since I live in the PRM (Peoples Republic of Maryland) I can expect a visit from the Stasi sooner or later.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:35 am
@37 In a similar vein,
Whenever I want to tweak my liberal idiot brother in law I just point out that while liberals all claim to love nature they miss the most crucial point of nature. There is one punishment for everything, death. If you are weak you die, if you are lazy you die, if you are not careful you die, and if you are a predator is not cautious in taking down large prey you can still die….
Your point is well made the weak who are afraid of everything want everyone else to bend to their will so we are all equally weak, instead of embracing those things which might make us all equally strong, will be our ruination.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:41 am
@Twist – Battlestar Galactica fan?
January 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am
But but bu–but guns are _scary_!
I’m going to start reporting Instagram pictures of screwdrivers and hammers.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:51 am
I didn’t know that school cops wore Jack Boots.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:34 am
What you do outside of school is your business. They can’t make her remove a picture from her private account on any social site all because someone reported something and the police can’t even do that. They may THINK they can but in reality, if you’re not on school-grounds, they can suck a boulder.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:50 am
My friend and I were talking about carry laws on the way back from last weekend’s gun show. We both have concealed carry permits but our state allows open carry for the most part. We were talking about how even though it is legal you probably would get harassed or detained for open carry in someplace like Walmart because some namby-pamby would feel “nervous and intimidated” and you may end up charged with inciting panic or face a civil suit for “mental anguish”…that is exactly what the parents in the story should be hitting the school with.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
@AGEFMB, I don’t believe I have ever seen an episode, unless I seen one as a child and don’t remember. Why?
January 15th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Twist–”frack” is from the “new” BSG, not the old one with Lorne Greene.
The latter was a far darker, and IMO, better one.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Sparky, frack or frak (your choice, I’ve seen it spelled both ways) was used in both versions of BSG. In the first version, it gave the guys a chance to use cuss words on censored 1970s TV and get away with it. Dirk Benedict said it a lot.
I use it a lot myself. The writers for ST Next Gen never came up with any cuss words, which was a pity, so at ST Cons and parties, people would make up cussing vocabulary in Klingon, Romulan and other alien languages.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Just wondering….as NHSparky and Ex-PH2 noted, it is a term used freguently in Battlestar Galactica.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
You learn something every day.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
@55. It is just proper etiquette to cover. I personally don’t like it when I see an exposed piece and have been known to say a word or two to the carrier.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
@61 – OK, AirCav, what if you’re in back country where timber rattlers are prevalent and not dormant, and like to surprise people?
Despite my professed non-wish to have a gun, I would in this case certainly want to have one with me, preferably where I can get to it quickly and I do not mean stuffed into my belt. I mean in a tied-down holster.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
They should contact FIRE.org. They love to go after stuff like this.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
They should contact FIRE.org. They love to go after stuff like this.
Oops…they don’t take cases from high school students. Sorry.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
@62. I’m not talking about those areas where it’s ordinary for people to open carry, and I am certainly not talking about being out in the woods or on the prairie. I was referring to the populated areas where few (very few) like to show their hardware because they legally can. This goes for rookie, off duty police too. The rest of the world knows that cover is just the nice and right thing to do.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
You guys and girls eat, sleep and breathe guns. I think you underestimate the visceral reaction the sight of an actual gun creates in people who are not used to them. They really do create a fear response in a lot of people. You may not understand it, but you should accept it.
Ex-PH2 #37 – Big Ayn Rand fan, huh.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Joe–actually, a lot (most) of us don’t. Only when some dipshit comes along and thinks we’re not entitled to them anymore do we get a little pissed off and discuss said Great Gun Grab of 2013, but the mentality of the “freedom for me, but not for thee!” crowd such as yourself.
Consider that the Constitution is there for a reason, and when you take away any rights, all (including the ones you like) are at risk. Of course, I’m guessing you haven’t thought that far ahead yet, have you Joey?
And why the fuck haven’t you unplugged your meter yet, dammit!
January 15th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
And I don’t know that I’d call a person’s fear of an implement, the only purpose of which is to kill human beings, “irrational fear” as the title of this post would suggest.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
@Joe, you understand neither Ayn Rand nor moi.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
@68. The only purpose of some shovels is to dig graves, Joe. Do you freak when you see a shovel?
January 15th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
What you call “freedom” (the 2nd) people in many other (? most other?) countries would call a dangerous aberration.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” -Freud
And that which you label a “dangerous abberation” is generated by people who have had no problem licking the boots of their masters for centuries. It’s ingrained in their culture. Ours, OTOH, not so much.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Freedom a dangerous aberration? How do you justify saying something so absolutely asinine? The 2nd Amendment does not make ownership of weapons a requirement. It is a choice, a right and not a privilege. It eliminates elitism as is only valid if we are to live in a free society.
No one is forcing you or anyone else to own or even touch a weapon, but you have no respect for anyone who has the desire to do so. Who the hell gave you the right to decide what is right for other people? Who died and made you God?
January 15th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
And Joe, before you jump on PH2, consider that she has on MANY occasions said she does not nor does she care to own a gun.
Your move. Preferably to some Third World shithole that bans guns and scary shit like that.
I’ll chip in for the ticket. You game?
January 15th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
No, what the 2nd does is give any spoiled brat who, when he loses a board game, upends the board and storms off, the chace to do the samething in real life.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Jesus Joe, project much there? So someone has a bad day and is gonna go shooting up the place over it?
Try again.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
What I described Sparky was Adam Lanza.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
@77 — You are SUCH an asshole.
Adam Lanza was hardly a spoiled brat. His own mother knew that he was dangerous and was trying to find a way to get him into confinement, not just for his own sake but for the sake of other people. She knew exactly what he was like and warned people about him. He tried to buy a gun at a gun shop and was unwilling to wait for the background search to be completed. He went home, broke into his mother’s gun safe, and shot her four times in the head, before he went on his killing spree.
He was HARDLY a spoiled brat, you dumb, stump-sucking billiard pocket.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
“dumb, stump-sucking billiard pocket”. Don’t hold back, Ex, tell our rock-climbing socialist hero what you really think of his stupidity.
You do know that you’ve pointed out inconvenient facts to Boy Joey? He’s all butt-hurt already. Now, he’ll be crying in his soy latte double mocha frappe all day.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Joe, no you did not describe Adam Lanza. What you described is what you wish would have happened. Please seek help.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Adam Lanza was the kind of emotionally stunted guy who when things weren’t going his way, upended the game board and had a major tantrum, like major. There are a lot of emotionally stunted people out there with access to a lot of guns. And please don’t tell me that we can psychologically screen them out. Most of them are flying well below the radar like, well, Adam Lanza. Did the local police even know he existed?
January 15th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
“I don’t know that I’d call a person’s fear of an implement, the only purpose of which is to kill human beings, ‘irrational fear’ .”
Joey boy – you really need to work on your use of fact and logic. If you have the intellectual capacity, that is. I’m beginning to wonder about that.
A gun’s “only purpose” is to kill human beings? Really? Ever heard of hunting or target shooting? So much for your baseline assumption as to why guns should be feared.
Now, moving on the the “might kill human beings” part: are you morbidly afraid of photos of swords? Not real swords – photos of them? How about ropes, real or in photographs? Or maybe spears? How about automobiles? Hammers? Fists?
Oh, and Joey? Lanza had Asperger’s syndrome, plus other serious mental issues. He wasn’t playing “board games” with anyone. Rateher, he was a deeply disturbed and dangerous young man. And libidiots like yourself made it impossible for him to be involuntarily committed for society’s (and his own) safety. At the time Lanza snapped, his own mother was trying to have him committed – and couldn’t, courtesy of laws you and your ilk passed to “protect Lanza’s rights”. That attempt ended up costing Lanza’s mother her life.
You want to see who’s responsible for Sandy Hook, Joey-boy? Look in the mirror, then look at your ideological compadres. You and your ilk are the ones with those children’s blood on your hands.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Where’d you get your talking points for today, Joey? DU? KOS? Puffington Ho’s? MSNBC? Your points are false, you have no more idea what Adam Lanza was than you know what the Constitution means.
There are a lot of emotionally stunted people people out there with access to cars/knives/poison/fertilizer/fuel oil. Do you ever crawl out from under your bed, or does mommy put the keyboard on the floor for you?
January 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
All of the above CAN kill people, but they were not designed specifically to kill.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Joe: are you a bloody idiot? What in the hell do you think swords and spears were designed to do – freaking tickle?
Geez. Calling you a moron is an insult to morons!
January 15th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
So, what’s your point? Other than the one on your head?
Can’t address the points that Hondo made about Lanza, and the complicity of you and people like you in the shootings in Newtown?
January 15th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Don’t interrupt Comrade Joseph, UpNorth. He’s busy trying to figure out how to (1) change the subject, (2) put up a smokescreen, (3) bring up a non sequitur/red herring, (4) appeal to emotion, (5) make something up (MSU) that’s false but sounds plausible, or (6) some combination of the above.
He’s already started (1) by changing his position from “only purpose is to kill kill people” to “designed to kill”. Sorry, Joey-boy – too transparent, you’re busted. Try again.
He won’t try to argue the merits. He’s got no factual basis from which to argue.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
CAN kill people? Oh, hell, my cooking can probably kill people, too, but it ain’t because it’s bad cooking.
Hondo, you left cast iron skillets off that list.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Ex-PH2: true. I was concentrating on a quick list of items that had either (1) traditionally been used to kill people, or (2) are known to annually kill more people than those “scary” assault weapons. Swords, spears, and ropes (hanging) are in the former category; automobiles, hammers/other blunt objects, and hands/feet are in the latter. Probably should have said “blunt objects” and “hands/feet” instead of hammers and fists.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
“you dumb, stump-sucking billiard pocket”
Ex-PH2, I do love your way with words. Brava!
January 15th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Adam Lanza was the kind of emotionally stunted guy
Speaking from personal experience, Joey? I mean, you would be the most obvious person to recognize that in another person and all.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
I’ll be the first to admit I’m not perfect Sparky.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
@90 – My thanks.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
@84: Not true. Guns are used to save lives as well. I know you have a hard time understanding that, but no matter how you want to twist it, it doesn’t change the facts.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
@71, we live in the United States where our rights are dictated by the Constitution not by what someone in some foreign country thinks of us… seems to me that is how we began down the road to become the United States.
P.S. a woman forced into an attic space with her children used one of those evil guns to save her life and the lives of her children. Happens daily. The Crime Statistics compiled by the FBI show in the homicides by gun category “justifiable cases” by both police and civilians who have killed felons engaged in a felony. Though it only showed the fatal incidents, I would imagine the numbers are much larger. It was somewhere around 500 cases of justifiable shootings that resulted in the death of a felon… for one year.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
I will admit I’m one of those people that carry a gun. I don’t hunt. I shoot targets often and I pick the places I go to eat shop ect based on their carry policy. I don’t dream of saving the day in a Hollywood gun battle, I carry a gun because its a dangerous world we live in. I carry a gun because its a tool, I. Have learned in my life to use the right tool for the task. I would rather never need a gun and have one than need one and not have one. Our current crop of politicians are having a knee jerk response to a truly tragic event. Adam Lanza killed those children, the gun was his tool of choice. We have effective laws on the books that would have stopped him had they been obeyed. His mother failed to properly secure her guns. She paid a high price for that mistake, she knew that her son needed more help than she could give him at home, yet she did not make it a priority to get him that help. At the same time she choose to store her weapons in a way that he our anyone else could access them. The fault lies with her and her son. Not with the millions of responsible gun owners who will have to pay the price for a her bad parental skills.
Joe, the second amendmant is one of the corner stones of our way if life. It was not put in place to let people hunt or collect firearms, it was put in place to give the people a last resort of change of government should it be needed. We have slowly let the government take away piece after piece of that right. We let them ban Guns based on how they look, we let them tax ownership of other types to the point where the average law abiding American has no hope of ownership. We have states that put the burden of proof of innocence on the gun owner and not the criminal. Yet when we the people stand up for our rights we are called nuts or extremist. I pray to god that you never have to find the good guy with the gun to hide behind, but if you do you better be ready to kiss his ass for saving yours.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
@96.
Well said.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:44 am
I did a quick perual of archery equipment and prices yesterday. In my state, I do not have to have a permit to hunt with a crossbow, because I am over 62. I still have to have a huntng license just to hunt, and I looked up the hunting season dates for fall and spring. The geese are returning already.
It’s nice to know that I can hunt my pheasant and eat it, too.