The Sandy Hook “hoax”
I found this article at Salon about a guy, Gene Rosen, who is being hounded by the Sandy Hook “truthers” who think that the shooting in Connecticut didn’t really happen;
“I don’t know what to do,” sighed Gene Rosen. “I’m getting hang-up calls, I’m getting some calls, I’m getting emails with, not direct threats, but accusations that I’m lying, that I’m a crisis actor, ‘how much am I being paid?’” Someone posted a photo of his house online. There have been phony Google+ and YouTube accounts created in his name, messages on white supremacist message boards ridiculing the “emotional Jewish guy,” and dozens of blog posts and videos “exposing” him as a fraud. One email purporting to be a business inquiry taunted: “How are all those little students doing? You know, the ones that showed up at your house after the ‘shooting’. What is the going rate for getting involved in a gov’t sponsored hoax anyway?”
I guess they’ve never heard of Occam’s Razor. But it made me think what the full-time cranks at Veterans Today were thinking, and sure enough, they think it’s a government hoax, too. But, for some reason, they dont blame Mossad for the operation, it’s the FBI who did the deed;
What we have at the beginning of the massacre are two vehicles arriving at the Elementary School, one belonging to Nancy Lanza, and the second vehicle supposedly registered to Christopher Rodia, a non-existent person.
Now I doubt if Adam Lanza was in a condition to actually drive to his own murder. I would suggest that somebody else drove his car to Sandy Hook. I would also suggest that this person was FBI and from the ‘Counter-Terrorist section. I would suggest that there were also other FBI agents [traveling] in “Rodia’s” vehicle.
How do we know that the Sandy Hook Massacre was an FBI operation? There is a choice of two possibilities. Either Sandy Hook was another ‘Lone-nut’ gun massacre committed by Adam Lanza or it was an FBI operation.
Once you comprehend that Adam Lanza was shot after police arrived at the Sandy Hook Elementary school, and yet the main murder weapon, the ‘.223 Bushmaster’, the No. 6 on the gun ban list, was initially found in the trunk of Nancy Lanza’s Honda sedan, then it is impossible for Adam Lanza to have been the gunman.
All leads to the identity of these two FBI agents would vanish, and in time people would be conditioned to simply remember the ‘Lone-nut’ gunman who was ‘suicided’ at the scene of the Sandy Hook Massacre.
Well, that last part all falls apart when we can look at CNN’s video and understand that it was a shotgun in the trunk of the car and not an AR-type weapon. But I’m not going to bother to explain that to them.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Some of these idiots will be the next nut to crack on a campus.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:23 am
Actually it was a strange convulated plot sent in motion from the secret NAZI center of the Earth base in cahoots with the Reptilians. Seems that the only way to counter Xemu and his big shot attempts through Dianetics to place evil defensive firearms in the hands of dedicated protectors was to ensure revulsion through mind control propoganda techniques. The “children” shot that day were in actually secretly replaced with Tofuman shaped creations, (90% Tofu and 10% human DNA replicated from L.Ron himself capable of dog level thought), that were programed to scream and run towards anything shaped like a gun. The fourth Reich super computer discovered that it could watch Red Dwarf on Netflix and decided now was the time to take over the human race and turn everyone into a hologram because it liked putting Hs on peoples forheads. (You have to watch the show to understand…).
That’s fo sho what happened. Fo reels yo.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am
I’m seeing a whole bunch of people being “Shocked, Shocked” at such a conspiracy theory. Where was the outrage when these same folks were saying that Bush did 9/11 so Cheney could steal Iraq’s oil and build pipelines in Afghanistan?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Sharing on FB. Can’t believe my eyes.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:43 am
#2
Pure gold….everyone at work is wondering what the hell I’m laughing at….fo reels yo.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:45 am
I’ve seen some of their “reasonings” while trolling teh interwebs. Stuff like facebook memorial pages being up the day prior to the shooting which “mysteriously” now have start up dates of after the shooting.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Are you sure it wasn’t the Daleks at work?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Was it a “hoax”? No, but it was a clusterf**k of epic proportions, considering that the State Police had been conducting training involving this exact scenario and they still weren’t able to keep their own story straight. Granted, the news media wasn’t any help and added to the confusion. Reports were that Lanza had 2 pistols and a shotgun on him and the rifle was left in the car. Then we heard that the shotgun was left in the car and he had 2 pistols and the scary rifle with him. Then we heard that inside, the police found 4 pistols, but didn’t mention the scary rifle being in there. The medical examiner would hold several press conferences where he displayed how confused he was, too, and the media basically fed him the answers to speak. They still don’t have the story straight a month later, but within minutes, the calls for “assault weapon” bans were heard throughout the media and politicians, and no one knew what was used at that point. It makes it easy for the conspiracy theories to manifest when everything sounds scripted, but still confusing.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
There are those who know, those who don’t know, and those poor fuckers don’t even SUSPECT.
Yeah it was a goatfuck, but faked? Nobody can pull that off. Not the Bilderburgers, not the Illuminati, not Yale’s “Skull and Bones”, not even the Masons.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Lol daleks. Doctor Who love that show.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
Daleks? That’s just so . . . crudely SF.
Everybody knows it was the Greys at Area 51 who were behind it. Didn’t you see “Alien Autopsy”? (smile)
January 16th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
…and I’m still waiting on the results of what really happened at Benghazi.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
(Seems to me we’ve forgotten about that.)
January 16th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
For some reason, we’re the #1 search result on Google for “Sandy Hook hoax” now. So, I’m expecting some crackpot trolls any minute – I’m sure they’re disappointed.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
The media was tripping over themslves (outnumbering both law enforcement and victims) trying to scoop each other so they can make a name for themselves and become national stars and they stayed for days. Its also a result of public officials trying to get their TV face time before they have all the facts and a clear timeline.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
The lunatic fringe conspiracy theorists are certainly out in force lately. There will no doubt be an attempt by the media and their blogging cohorts to link those of us with constitutional objections to the conspiracy crowd….it should get interesting.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
The f’ing media in their rush to stay on the air and crank the ratings just made it up as they went along. The Police in providing no official response for well over a day allowed for every Barney Fife to be quoted anonymously and coupled with the medias ignorance on all things gun related resulted in the fuel for the conspiracy theorist to go on…
As well as the fact some of them are just insane and make crap up left and right, like actors being used, nonexistent connections between the shooters in Aurora and Sandy Hooks fathers and a Senate Investigation into a company neither even remotely worked for. I could go on and on…
The simple harsh truth of that day is that Adam Lanza had snapped, and in a pre-planned rage he killed his mother, stole her weapons, went to the school on his own and massacred those students and teachers. He went in wielding 2 hand guns(a glock and sig sauer) and a .223 Semi Automatic Rifle (aka evil black gun) and left in the trunk of the car a Saiga Shotgun (later incorrectly identified as an AR-15 by the media).
He savagely murdered children and adults alike, showing no mercy, no remorse and took the cowards way out in the end by shooting himself as the firs cops drew their weapons on him.
These ghouls spreading the “theories” are nothing more than trolls and bottom feeding scum. They do it to justify their anti Semitic views, their paranoid delusions about our government, and some probably just for the kicks…
Meantime a dear friend of mines niece was shot dead that day, killed by Adam Lanza who shot her and all those other victims multiple times… She died at the hands of a madman, not by some government conspiracy.
They can all rot in hell alongside lanza when they join him there.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
A website I admin for had some of those video’s posted it and they finally caught my ire or eye. I went through the site, found more, removed every one then told the members, no more. Bet you a cup of coffee I am a dirty SOB again, LOL. Like I care.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
I’ve been following the Ct’s at Veterans Today since they latched on to this story. Jim Fetzer started the ball rolling with an article as Press TV claiming Mossad. Then, Gordon “the Duffus” Duff chimed in agreeing with the whackjobs in the comment section that it was a Satanic child stealing operation. Then Uncle Fetzer changes direction and teams up with Nick Kollerstrom from the UK that claims the tube bombings were fake and this was Mossad/CIA. He (Kollerstrom)then follows up with an article from Andrew MacGregor in Australia that claims FBI.
So basically you take a bucket full of initials, throw in 4 educated idiots, stir until well coated and bake at Fahrenheit 451 for three weeks and viola!…moonbat suffle.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
@9 “Nobody can pull that off.”
Even if they could, we have reached the point where people no longer seem capable of keeping their mouths shut about it.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
The media hype and rush to get the scoop is primarily to blame for the fog of war during this event. But another cause is the new “active shooter” police procedures where the first priority is finding the shooter and killing him, not setting up a perimeter, media center and snack table, then go in and try to stop the bloodshed.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
The level of trust actually that I feel right now for the government of this nation is so low I would not be surprised if it was a set up, I see how people get killed in many places and it comes at just the right moment to create a crisis that the current government of this nation intends to never go to waste.
Engineering a crisis to enact some political desire to go to war, enact gun control or hide from the press to keep from testifying about the deaths of an ambassador and three other American’s. Don’t forget at the same moment moves were being made to repeal the 22 amendment in order to allow POTUS to get another term, after that We will never see the end of this crap.
This is Chi-Town politics, this is how they do it.
No, I am not a conspiracy nut but Damn! that shooting came at just the right moment so the POTUS could destroy the second amendment and I would not be surprised if it was done by liberal anti- 2d and anti gun people deliberately to enact their ideology on the United States citizens.
It was just too damn convenient.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Bohica–that’s the media in a nutshell.
“What? You don’t have any information? The events are still unfolding? Damn you cops, don’t you know we’re the MEDIA!!! We have RIGHTS, dammit! It’s all about MEEEEE!!!”
And CC, et al, I chalk this shit up to the “Elvis Syndrome.” A while back, someone conducted a survey and 10 percent of people thought Elvis was still alive, and that neaerly the same percentage thought that if you sent Santa Claus a letter, he’d get it.
You want to start with better mental health screening? Start with the people pushing this shit.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
NHSparky: that’s nothing new. There’s an old saying: “There’s always that 10% . . . .”
January 16th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Everyone can see they speak of killing members of the NRA, raiding gun owners homes, publishing their addresses recklessly, Dropping Nuclear weapons on states that do not enact POTUS gun control.
People who talk this way will act to get their manifesto pushed through even if it tales the death of 25 million Americans >William Ayers<
These folks will kill to get their way.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
I am not saying it’s true but I am saying the will is there and the hate and it was damned convenient.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
obsidian, you’re crazy. you need to find a mental health clinic and check in.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
@27 – No, obsidian is not crazy, just angry. Learn to recognize the difference. Venting your frustrations. Making threats is another. Obsidian was not making threats of any kind.
People who are truly crazy and angry at the same time frequently do not voice their anger. They just take it out on other people, and sometimes on themselves.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Obsidian is crazy, but he is right about trust for the government.
All I know for certain, is that Adam Lanza went nuts, killed his mother, stole her weapons, shot a school full of kids, and then died. The number of weapons, the types of weapons, and the number of shots fired have been reported differently by every single news agency and by the government. How he died has likewise been reportedly differently by every single news agency and by the government. The fact that a shotgun was found in the back of his car, and that they tried saying it was an assault rifle for a week straight leads me to question their reporting that he had an assault rifle in the shooting.
By their estimation, he could have had a shoulder stock add-on for one of the pistols and they would have called it an assault rifle.
All I know is that the President is not letting this crisis go to waste. He is blaming an inanimate object that is owned by hundreds of thousands of law-abiding citizens for the actions of a single crazy person. His logic is that if he makes a law banning that weapon, then the criminals will follow it and not use that weapon anymore. And that scares me more than any potential “assault” rifle wielding crazy.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
#26 obsidian,
Yes, William Ayers talked about killing 23-25 million people in Communist ‘re-education’ camps. Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ
There are real conspiracies and false conspiracies. By presenting the absurd, such as Sandy Hook or 911, we more easily dismiss the commonplace (AARP support to Obamacare because of personal profit).
Then there’s Invader Zim.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
It is very reasonable to doubt the authenticity of this massacre.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
@29 Flagwaver, I posted the 23 executive orders on the ‘NRA-Stand & Fight; America speaks for itself’ column.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
#6 twist, check around youtube, people have video of timestamps and people actually posting questions on the facebooks and webpages before they were removed. as well as links to pages, and a video memorial posted nearly a month before the shooting.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Aw, shit…here we go.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
So for all the assholes looking for Elvis, the Easter Bunny and the additonal shooter on the grassy knoll”…get a new hobby.
Reports at first contact…never correct. What a shock.
The “second shooter” is a guy named Chris Manfredonia who I personally know.
Chris is an athletic director at a local high school, a great guy and a great father. Here’s the schools website with his name prominently displayed as the Athletic Director.
http://www.edline.net/pages/fwhs/athletics
Chris happened to be in the perfect storm when he arrived at Sandy Hook Elementary School on December 14th. Chris was going to the school to make Ginerbread Houses with his daughter and her second grade class on that awful morning.
He arrived at the school in the perfect window when Lanza was executing babies and women, and first responders had not yet arrived.
He saw the front window of the school blown out, and could hear the gun shots. Being a bright guy, he figured it out right away, and sprinted to the side of the school to his daughter’s room, because it had windows to the outside, which is near a wooded area.
As soon as he got to her room, first responders arrived at DEFCON 4, and pancaked Chris on the ground, which was the right thing to do.
They cuffed him and took him to a nearby cruiser. As he passed other that were there, he stated : “I didn’t do it”
Now…listen to this glue-sniffer describing Chris. (I’ve never seen Chris wear anything but khaki pants and Land’s End button-down shirts….hey, it IS Connecticut…Dick Blumnethal country!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0JhqPIje8A
Here’s another YouTube vid where they refer to Chris by name.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWkK-ZUdKNo
By the way, Chris wouldn’ know a Bushmaster from a Jumpmaster from a Craftmaster socket wrench.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
I am not saying I know for a fact it didn’t happen, but given the information that has been provided by the media and the information that has been provided by individuals doing their own research. It seems to be quite reasonable to have doubts. Maybe in future those doubts will be laid to rest but as of right now things seem a little off.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
So, what are those “individuals doing their own research” using for resource materials? What the media put out? Because no official report has been released. Anecdotal “evidence” from someone who heard it from someone, who read it on facebook, posted by someone who heard it from someone? Just curious how anyone is doing their own research.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
@#34, Sparky come on, you know that the timestamps and all must be true, no one ever has faked a timestamp on a pic or video.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
I don’t know where they are doing their research but right now they are more convincing than the media.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
all of you that thinks that sandy hook was a hoax are completely sick in the head. you really need mentle help
January 16th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
@39
The timestamps are on the webpages and facebooks from date of creation, not the video showing the page. im not trying to say it was faked or not, just pointing out what someone else commented on. he was arguing against information without using all of it, picking which information to use to better the argument (peirs morgan style)
January 16th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
For all you that don’t know how to spell mental. You really need to get a little smarter.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Here was a fairly thorough debunking of the conspiracy theories from another website – it touches on many angles, including the time-stamps, etc.:
http://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/16lkhq/this_sandy_hook_conspiracy_video_has_been_making/c7xjgzr
There are lots of things wrong about the current media and how they’re so eager for news that they run with things before the facts are known, but it’s one hell of a leap in logic to imply some utterly brilliant evil masterminds are able to dupe them all, as well as orchestrate a massive operation, yet somehow can’t track down and eliminate these nutjobs who see ‘the truth’.
There’s ALSO a big difference between believing in a cartoonish President engineering such an event (crazy), and one who would use the understandable -albeit misguided- anger and sentiments after the fact to push for laws that people incorrectly feel would reduce the likelihood of these sorts of things happening again.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
just from the posts that i have read on here the ones that are claiming this awful act was a hoax are the ones that pitching a bitch fit about increasing gun control the us needs to increase gun control if you want to blame some one for increased gun laws blame the ones that abused the rights to bare arms
January 16th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
i guess i went a little MENTAL and spelled MENTAL wrong after reading all of your bullshit
January 16th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
#43 great post, thanks for that, though its still unclear how the facebook page for the teacher was created December 10th,(as shown by the original facebook page) before it was taken down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIqECeXlFdY
one of many people who found this. is it possible to change that date?
January 16th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
and here we go… enter the ghoul crowd stage right.. okay boys and girls, school must be out. f’ing idiots!!
January 16th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Stephan tell me in your own words what you believe happened, and from what “reports/research” you have come to believe this.
Adam Lanza shot and killed his mother. Drove to the school with her guns, shot his way into the school and murdered in cold blood every adult and child he saw.
There was no second shooter, we even have his friend here explaining that.
There were no paid actors, those were real parents, real officials.
The guns used were detailed in the official police briefing that was given AFTER all the videos where the media was stating all other kinds of crap.
The same with the confusion on the weapon seen in the trunk of the car. It was a Saiga Shotgun by the way.
What else? Oh Lanzas father was employed by GE Capital not some foreign investment firm under investigation, but that there were no scheduled hearings and the only place his name comes up in connection with it is in conspiracy theorist sick and twisted minds. They pulled the same line of crap wit hthe Colorado shooting and again, zero connection… But some asshole said it on the internet so you believ them.
You all need to get your heads out of your asses and accept the fact that bad things happen, things like this have happened since the 1700′s in this country and will continue to most likely happen again. No conspiracies, just some crazy ass individual….
January 16th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
@35: I’m not talking about first reports, I’m talking about 2 days later reports. They still didn’t have the story straight. In my opinion, it was a the blind leading the blind and still is, yet the first thing to come out of it on that particular day, even before they knew what weapons were used, was that we needed an “assault weapon” ban and ban on large capacity magazines. That’s what my point was; the talking points before we had the details.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
I have seen nothing concrete. No video evidence. With this happening in a school with 600 students present it would have been complete chaos. Where are the pictures of this chaos? Where are the 600 students? Where are the interviews with the survivors? Where are the details? If something like this happens, people would talk about details. There would be so many rumors about what went on in that building. Where are the rumors? This scene would have been so graphic that one could even imagine. Nobody is talking about the graphic details. Where are they?
January 16th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
And now for something completely different:
Why do anti-gun groups and the POTUS, and others like Michael Moore only celebrate the death of white children, especially little girls?
Why do they never mention Chicago on a Saturday night?
Now that’s a conspiracy!
January 16th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
@51 “Why do they never mention Chicago on a Saturday night?”
Benign neglect?
January 16th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
@50: So, your view is that the government is so super competent to arrange a black ops false flag operation involving the murder of a bunch of kids, complete with media and police involvement, and utter secrecy that nobody talks about it… but they’re so incompetent to fake some photos of the chaos or create fake interviews with survivors?
My head hurts.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
@46: Yes, it’s possible to change the link and name associated with a page, and it keeps its prior creation date.
I could create a Facebook page today called “Useless Placeholder”, then after some tragedy, rename it to something about that tragedy and the date would reflect today’s date.. even though the tragedy hasn’t happened yet! This isn’t a conspiracy; it’s people not understanding how things work.
Similarly, you could take a look at the files on your computer – find one which you’ve created a long time ago. Now open it up, add a line or two (a text document makes this easiest), then save it again. Now, look at the ‘properties’ for that file. It’ll still have the original creation date. The modification date will be newer, yes, but that creation date is old. I could open up a file I created in 2006, put in all the Golden Globe winners, save it, and say this file was created in 2006 and predicted movies that weren’t even being made yet – I’d not only predicted their successes, but the actors in them! Except, well, I didn’t. I just used a file that was created a while ago for a different purpose.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
Criminals dont follow the law, seems everyone forgets that.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
@51 “Why do they never mention Chicago on a Saturday night?”
Because da prez isn’t living in Chicago these days.
Because it’s only of local interest.
Because it usually involved black or Latino kids.
Because da prez isn’t living in Chicago and probably never will ever again.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
@50 I just want to know why nobody is talking about the details and why there are no photos. It just don’t add up. I don’t have the answers. I just know it looks fake. It looks staged. I am not saying that it is a fact that it is not real but I sure as hell am not 100% convinced that this is not a hoax.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
@57: What photos do you want? Have you ever suddenly been in a situation where your live is on the line? I have, and my initial thought wasn’t to pull out my phone and start snapping pictures. And while at my age now, I’d probably try to assess the threat and do what I can, I didn’t have that sort of presence of mind when I was a kid. And if I was an adult responsible for a bunch of kids -a teacher there, in other words- my first thought would be protecting them, not documenting things with a cell phone camera for the unbelievable case of random people on the internet not believing the experience I was living in.
It may look fake to you. For all too many people, it was sadly very, very real. I’m in Connecticut, in fact, and while I don’t know any of the families involved, a friend of mine does. So, you may take that as either I’m clearly now in on the conspiracy, or that my friend -whose family knew the other one for over twenty years- is part of the conspiracy, or that the conspiracy has been planned for twenty years because, dammit, people are just that devious,… or the simple explanation: it was real. Unfortunately.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Maybe our new found friend Stephen here is one of those I ejected from the website….Got another one today too. Stupid people refuse to heed warnings then cry and get all butt hurt after, lmao!
January 16th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
These are the same people who say that 9/11 didn’t happen or it was done by the goverment with radio controled plains and st explosives.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Dear Stephen,
You based you statement that it “looks fake” on the fact that there is nothing in public view to show. When the event occurred, the media was kept away from the scene for the most part. There were some aerial shots of people in the woods etc., but the majority of the media was kept at a distance. Any media there when law enforcement arrived were moved out of the area. The investigators took photographs for days during their investigation but those photos are usually not released until they are used at trial. In this case there may be an inquest or hearing but barring any unknown arrests of individuals at this point there is no one to try for the crime, he’s dead.
That being said, the initial reports being broadcast were filled with unsubstantiated rumor and statements in the race to be first with the news. Every major network had reporters calling in information that in most cases proved to be wrong. CBC would release a statement that was erroneous and it would then be reported by the other networks as CBC is reporting the (fill in the blank). Not only was this irresponsible but provided fodder for every whackjob, blogger, conspiracy theorist and Alex Jones wannabe to fill in the gaps.
The Hartford Courant has done an excellent job of reporting the facts as they were not under the gun to be first on the airwaves with a scoop.
The shooter was not wearing body armor, he was wearing a utility vest. The weapon found in the car was a shotgun not the gun used to murder people. The car belonged to his mother not the notorious guy named Rodia. There were no other shooters that were mysteriously released and because we don’t have their names they are not FBI/CIA/Mossad or satanic baby kidnappers.
You have every reason to distrust your government because they at this very moment are doing everything they can to capitalize on a tragedy as they did after 9/11, the Arizona shooting of Gabriel Giffords, Columbine, the Virginia Tech shooting etc. etc. This is the same government that sold our POW/MIA’s down the river for the sake making nice with the rest of the world. This is the same government that went out of it’s way to profile the vets you see on these pages while refusing to profile the sorry bastards that are in fact responsible for the majority of terrorist activity in the world. This is the same government that has implemented laws hat now restrict your movements as a law abiding citizen and allow agencies to monitor, spy, detain and drone your ass if it so wishes without so much as the decency of obtaining a warrant.
The people you rely on for describing the events of Newtown are exploiting every unknown to make a buck, draw in readership and drive circulation of their tripe.
Don’t fall for it.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Stephen.
Tell that to my friend, who lost his godchild in this. Went to the funeral, spoke to his very best friend, who lost his daughter. And tell me its fake.
And yes, he knew Adam. His exact words “Unfortunately, he was troubled and I was afraid that something would happen with him.”
So. FRAK YOU. It’s real DEAL with it.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
You can’t deny that the people claiming this was a hoax make a good case. Let’s also keep in mind that President Obama was already caught red-handed perpetrating a more generalized false flag operation (Fast and Furious) to circumvent the 2nd Amendment after he publicly tried to humiliate the Supreme Court’s ruling (BTW, the public humiliation obviously paid off when it came time for the SC to rule on Obamacare). Isn’t it awfully coincidental that Fast and Furious went into effect shortly after the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the 2nd Amendment and how Obama, Holder, and Clinton all went to the airwaves to blame American guns for drug related deaths in Mexico. Furthermore, isn’t is even more coincidental that the movie theatre shooting would occur after Obama lost face with Fast and Furious and was in a heated battle with Romeny (where, BTW, he was behind in the polls at the time). Isn’t it even more suspect that each nationally hyped shooting was more heinous than the last? I guess that wasn’t enough, because he knew if he got totally reprehensible and killed children then the nation would be outraged and even his harshest critics would have to walk on glass. Was Sandy Hook a random murder, a hoax, or government planned false flag terrorism? I don’t know for sure which of these is the correct answer. I do know from past experience that the media will show what they want you to believe. Having lived in Bensonhurst during the Joey Fama (who, regardless of his motives, deserved to be put away for goo) shooting I saw for myself how the media distorted things in order to agree with their political agenda and never trusted them again. Al Sharpton lead a parade of black protestors down 20th avenue to show his outrage for what was possible a racist shooting. The people from the neighborhood were standing on the sidewalks behind the police barrier and observing. The protestors started antagonizing the observers some even pulled down their pants with children present and began urinating on the white observers on the sidewalk (I know because I was there and saw it for myself). The police did nothing other than to make sure the the outraged observers didn’t cross police barrier. That evening when I watched the news they show Sharpton and his ilk at the beginning of the march acting peaceably and then they showed the outraged observers after they were cursed and urinated on as if they were outraged at the beginning and because the marchers were black. The story tagline was racism at it’s ugliest in Bensonhurst Brooklyn. So, I think we’ve established that we cannot believe anything shown by the mainstream media. As for the government, they’ve done this stuff before. Just look up Operation Northwoods. Northwoods was a false flag operation conceived by the Kennedy state department in order to outrage American citizens so they would support a war and possible invasion of Cuba. One of the options suggested was to shoot down an empty commercial airliner and claim that it was shot down by Cuba and was full of college students. Gee, does that sound familiar – a hoax perpetrated by the government suggesting that children were killed in order to have the American citizenry support their agenda. Some versions of Northwoods were to have the plane filled with actual college students. Don’t take my word for it, Northwoods is part of public record (Freedom of Information Act people). Just check the library of Congress, or if you’re one to trust the Internet, then look it up on Wikipedia.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
Regardless of your position on this, you can’t deny that the behavior of Robbie Parker (Emily’s father) was obviously not that of a grieving parent and I don’t think anyone in their right mind would say his statement was anything other than staged. Quite honestly, that’s enough proof for me that there’s more to this than we’re being told.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
@63: “You can’t deny that the people claiming this was a hoax make a good case.”
Really? The people claiming this was a hoax don’t make a good case at all. There you go, denied. Same goes for the rest of this drivel.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
Robbie Parker comes from a strong religious background that preaches the importance of forgiveness. I come from the same kind of religious background, and I greatly commend him for his strength of character. He and I share the same religious beliefs, though I’m not sure I would have had the strength that he does to be able to forgive Lanza and express sympathy for his family like Parker did. I see nothing strange or odd with his demeanor or his behavior, just unbelievable faith in God to take care of things in His own way.
That being said, I will not engage in a religious fight, nor any other fight over this matter. The Sandy Hook shooting was real, it happened, it was horrible, and the maniacal gun-grabbers are exploiting it for their political gain. That’s all there is to it. Enough of this drivel.
January 17th, 2013 at 12:00 am
@ MikeA
I invite you to spend 30 minutes doing a little research. Every point being made by the Ct’s out there can be debunked. You are making false analogies to support your position.
Fast and Furious was not a “false flag”. It was a bone headed idea dependent upon being able to track weapons across the border in hopes that various initial agencies (ATF, FBI etc) could follow the weapons to their destination. The problems with the operation started with supervisors telling subordinates to stand down and let the weapons walk across the border in violation of law. Then the effect of unintended consequences took over. Fast and Furious came down to idiots is positions of authority that had no business being there. They were arrogant and thought they were above the law and had an AG and President that allowed them to be arrogant.
Eric Holder’s position on gun control has been known for years. Obama’s latest conversion to gun grabber is 180 degrees from where he was when he was a Senator and was of the position of not wanting to punish school shooters harshly when confronted with the issue years ago. His aim now is to take the wind out of conservatives and conservative institutions like the NRA. It’s politics and nothing more. he is doing what he is doing because he can and thinks no one can stop him.
Operations Northwoods was a CIA plan to deal with Cuba and if you’ll notice Kennedy said no. Even if it were carried out there is a huge difference between claiming a plane was full of college students that didn’t exist and gunning down 20 elementary school children. See those 20 children were real. Not made up. Dead. The shooting was real, the funerals were real and the attempts to capitalize on it by certain elements in our government are real.
If you can take the time to go to such an unreliable source as wikipedia then I would suggest actually looking for the information that contradicts the conspiracy hacks. It’s out there and easily found.
No one can question how a father will react in a given situation unless you’re in that situation. Have you looked in to whether he might have been taking valium to deal with the stress? Maybe he had a 5th of Vodka before he went before the microphones. We don’t know. But I know his kid is dead and I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes.
If you believe the hacks like Fetzer, Duff, MacGregor, Rense and the rest then you’ll believe anything and if that’s the case then facts mean nothing to you.
You are quick to dismiss the media based on things like the coverage of bensonhurst but you will believe every whackjob out there with a website and nothing to back up their claims except conjecture, theory, photoshopped images and flat out bullshit.
Think about it…
January 17th, 2013 at 5:27 am
http://www.infowars.com/the-u-s-governments-coming-war-with-the-american-people-insane-quantities-of-govt-ammo-purchases-point-to-only-one-purpose/
January 17th, 2013 at 5:29 am
Nobody died and Nobody got hurt at Sandy Hook Newtowwn on the 14DEC2012. It was a HSEEP drill under DHS control. Everyday you continue to print Lies that children Died will count. YOu will answer to God for your Part in this HOAX. Count on that Achy Obejas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvvW8Yb51jE
January 17th, 2013 at 5:32 am
http://www.infowars.com/homeland-security-buys-enough-ammo-for-a-7-year-war-against-the-american-people/
January 17th, 2013 at 7:08 am
Geez. Teh krayzee is strong in many of our new commenters above.
Or maybe that should be teh dumbass.
January 17th, 2013 at 8:18 am
Alright; I broke down and watched some of the Sandy Hook “hoax” videos, last night, to get a perspective of what these people are claiming, and I stand by my original statement. It wasn’t a hoax, but a clusterf**k of epic proportions. As others have stated, and to which I agree, the media are like locusts, they buzz in, create added confusion, and then buzz out in search of the next face time opportunity. The initial reports were all wrong, so were the reports that night and the next day. The State Police weren’t much help in clarifying the situation. The medical examiner definitely wasn’t, but ya know what? It was a difficult job and to have to do it on 20 adults would be bad enough, but to do it on 20 little kids has got to eat at your soul. Granted, now it has been a month and we can start to calm down a little and gather a little more clarity. Unfortunately, we aren’t getting that, only the drumbeat of gun control, which seems to be the only thing they are clear about. That’s where the opportunity for the conspiracy theorists to weave their tales comes in and boy has it.
January 17th, 2013 at 8:33 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzMtYWvvnQ4
A youtube video that does a decent job of shredding the conspiracy theories.
January 17th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Early morning news has DEA arresting 3 suburban police officers for selling guns and drugs to undercover DEA guy posing as a drug ‘lord’.
It was just the one-minute story, details not released so far. But it clearly shows that guns which are not legally obtained are in the hands of criminals and there isn’t a law anywhere that is going to put a stop to it. And they frequently come from corrupt police officers.
All those F&F weapons are now dispersed and some of them are turning up on US soil. Conspiracy? No, just a bad idea cooked up by a bunch of idiots who think they’re clever when they aren’t.
DHS frequently orders and buys mass quantities of ammunition. So do the FBI and the military. So what? If they don’t have ammo, what are they supposed to use? Harsh words?
People who propose these conspiracies always forget one thing: these events happen, the news media gets most of it wrong from the getgo, everyone has an idea about ‘who done it’, the noise dies down and people go back to whatever they were doing until the next time some nutball decides to ‘get even’ with everyone he sees, and that includes everyone from the guy who stole a tank in SoCal a few years ago and went on a rampage to the entire demographic of mass murderers like Gacy and the people who ‘go postal’ on their coworkers.
That it happens too frequently has more to do with opportunity than whether or not it is illegal. And even if guns were safely locked up or did not exist, there is always some other way to cause mayhem. Shall I bring up the Unibomber? Truck bombers Nichols and McVeigh? Or the anthrax guy? Or the Tylenol poisonings in Chicago?
None of those involved the use of guns whatsoever, but the illegality of committing those crimes DID NOT MATTER to the people who committed them. Jack the Ripper was notorious for taunting the London metropolitan police about his heinous crimes.
The media’s incompetent pretenses at journalism generate and encourage conspiracy theories more than anything else. Most of those nitwits ‘acting’ as reporters couldn’t find their way out of a brown paper bag with a map and a compass. They show, more and more clearly, that they are incapable of doing that job any higher than the yellow journalism/tabloid level. They could probably find jobs with Piers Morgan.
January 17th, 2013 at 9:28 am
Anonymous asshats fetzering with infowar links…and people wonder why this country is circling the bowl….
January 17th, 2013 at 9:33 am
@75 aint that the “truth”! The last one about the ammo… it is the whole 450 million rounds idiocy for DHS going around. What no one mentions is that it was from a 5 year contract with an ammo manufacturer, and it was an estimate by the manufacturer themselves of how much the potential was for them to sell to the government based on a 5 year contract and how much ammo they burn through.
Saw numbers on FLETC using around 8 million rounds just on 14 ranges they run at one facility in a year. That does not include the individual departments ranges and the ammo they burn through in training.
But someone throws out half the facts in a twisted manner, and all of a sudden we are facing death camps….
January 17th, 2013 at 9:36 am
@76 — RB, don’tcha just love paranoid conspiracy theorists?
They also are quite sure tht aliens are going to land and take over the Earth…and make sandwiches out of us, in all likelihood.
January 17th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Welcome to TAH nutjobs! Anyone of you with Westboro?
January 17th, 2013 at 9:44 am
Ex-PH2: met someone who actually believed that once (though I’m not sure about the “make sandwiches” part). Seriously.
Was never so damn glad to get off a plane in my life.
January 17th, 2013 at 9:52 am
Hondo, remember that Twilight Zone episode “To Serve Man”? It was about a cookbook. Eeeewwww!
January 17th, 2013 at 9:54 am
Certainly do, lady. One of if not the best TZ episodes ever.
Sorta like: “Soylent Green is . . . .”
January 17th, 2013 at 9:56 am
@74: F&F may have started as a bad idea, but then the Obama administration took it and ran with in an attempt to garner interest in more gun control. That’s where the conspiracy in that whole bowl of crap came from and I agree with those that say it is/was a conspiracy. Unfortunately, it will never see the light of day, just like Benghazi.
January 17th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Dunno if I agree, Old Trooper. F&F strikes me more like Watergate – a monumentally dumb idea, the execution of which involved crimes, that was covered up for political reasons (e.g., to save the POTUS embarrassment).
The difference, of course, being that no one died as a result of Watergate.
January 17th, 2013 at 10:23 am
@83. There is at least one other difference, Hondo. Who went to prison or, for that matter, has been prosecuted for Fast and Furious? This op had known strawmen purchasing weapons with the blessing of the Federal government. Change the actors from Feds to private citizens and you know the result. Certainly, one Dawn M. Nguyen, the gal who played strawman for the Webster, N.Y. killer, knows.
January 17th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Dave j, You’re an offensive knee-jerk idiot.
Babies were killed.
The heroic teacher, Victoria Soto, went to college with my best friend, and he’s quite confident she was SHOT DEAD at Sandy Hook.
People; THINK before you jump in the conspiracy tank. Good lord.
January 17th, 2013 at 11:59 am
2/17 Air Cav: in all fairness, it took over 2 1/2 years before anyone was convicted of anything re: Watergate, and it was 1976 before anyone went to jail.
But yeah – we had indictments by this point. And IMO we should have a few in F&F by now, too.
January 17th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
@ #85… I missed Dave J. and his utter insanity…. holy crap these bastards are just sick. Anyone actually watch DaveJ’s video? The guy is loopy, nuts, and damned if he is not just a little unhinged.
January 17th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would theorize that all these crazy conspiracy theories were themselves part of a conspiracy to make pro gun people look crazier than a shithouse rat. Which unfortunately seems to be happening.
January 17th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
@83: True. However, Obama, Holder, Napolitano, and Clinton went on the airwaves decrying that gun shops on the border were selling arms that were going across the border and were selling multiple “assault rifles” at one time to one person, etc. They then claimed that we needed tougher gun control to combat this, even though they knew full well they were the ones responsible for this happening through their F&F program, which no one, outside of those involved, knew about. They were using their own f-ed up program to try and instute gun control using a problem that they created. That’s a conspiracy.
January 17th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Yup, Ima card carrying crazy LOL They threw me arse outa the last mental facility for trying to take over under the guise of Doctor Zim the psychiatrist.
Oh well, the meds are good what can I say?
January 17th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
@86 – Hondo. Indictments? Anything is possible. What goes around comes around. I do not see any ‘clean hands’ in a lot of the stuff that da prez’z administration has done, mostly…well, covering Big Frakkin’ Stupidity, and F&F is just the tip of the iceberg.
January 17th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
leave it to somebody like old trooper to believe a story like this.
January 17th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
@89
Not sure the term conspiracy fits the scenario. The ATF, PBI, DEA and IRS were all aware of the program. Early critics of the program blew the whistle. The only conspiracy connected to the program was when they tried to cover up what happened after Brian Terry and another agent wound up dead.
But then again should we be surprised with Eric Holder at the helm? The media seems to forget the fact that he was the one that pushed through the pardon of Marc Rich by Bill Clinton by claiming after the fact that he wasn’t aware that rich was on the FBI most wanted list. Holder advised Rich’s attorney to circumvent normal procedures and submit the pardon directly to Clinton. It seems circumventing normal procedures is something Holder excels in.
January 17th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
That should read FBI not PBI
January 17th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
In a way it being a hoax is terrbily but a relife dont you think. I know how mad you think i am but really think
At least no kids were acctaly killed. And the gun laws were needed because of all the other shooting that were real. Dont get me wrong what they made us belive is HORRIBLE but whats worse 20 kids that are really dead or just making us belive that but no kids acttaly getting hurt. Because as long as the kids are safe i am relvied.
January 17th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
Teh crazies are out this week. I didn’t believe that anyone really believed the chemtrail nonsense, either. Until yesterday, that is. A poster on another blog posited that, of course, the Twin Towers were brought down by carefully placed explosives planted by Bush and Darth Cheney, when I pointed out that he probably believed in chemtrails, too, he said that not only did he believe, but that they were spraying that very day.
And, #95 arrives to confirm everything.
Hey, the mentally deprived OG shows up, too.
January 17th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
UpNorth, when you try to get these chemtrailers to understand that what they see is the result of a siple physical reaction between hot air coming out of the exhaust port of a jet engine at 450 degrees into cold air at sub-zero temperatures, which instantly generates ice crystals, they don’t believe you.
For reference, find the video of the guy dumping a pot of boiling water off his balcony in -42 degree weather on YouTube. Instant ice crystals.
They also think that sundogs, which are reflections of sunlight on upper atmosphere ice crystals, are extra suns that were hidden by the HARP project. I’ve tried to get them to understand it’s just nature at work, but they’re quite sure it’s a massive conspiracy to poison us all. So then, how are they still walking around upright?
If only there were some way to put them into cotton padding and give them a quiet corner to themselves, that would be nice.
January 18th, 2013 at 6:39 am
There used to be, Ex-PH2. It was called the “rubber room” at the state asylum. And when necessary, the cotton padding was called a “straitjacket”.
January 18th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
At least Skynet won’t be all subtle about it. Missiles will launch, cities will epxlode in thermal blossoms of glorious cleansing, people will turn to ash, and then the sound of metal against rubble will herald a death knell and strike fear into the meat bags that survive.
I for one will welcome our glorious robot overlords…
Quiet please. I am analyzing. Yes, relatively simple alcohol molecules with traces of fusel oil. Would 60 gallons be sufficient…
It’s a COOOOOOOKBOOOOOOOOOK!
It’s made from people!
I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears… in rain. Time to die.
January 20th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
people missing from staff roster at sandy hook
http://newtown.sandyhook.schooldesk.net/Staff/StaffDirectory/tabid/17319/Default.aspx
check it out
January 20th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Just the people shot. Funny they don’t work there.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:00 am
Do any of you beleive in GOD? Thats all that matters. He can work miracles. Or do You beleive in the govnmt who tries to control us?
January 21st, 2013 at 4:05 am
God gives free will, the Govnmt takes our free will away!!!! Who will you support?
January 21st, 2013 at 4:09 am
Kinda pissed how the Gov took GOD out of our kingdom. Who gives them the right? We all need to get back with GOD. He Is the Almighty!!!!
January 21st, 2013 at 4:26 am
I would go up against our govnmt any day before I would go against GOD.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:51 am
Guns or no guns.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:59 am
GOD spelled backwards is DOG. I would not go against my DOG, either.
February 7th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
.Its a very sick thing when we have let our government use our people and our childern as human sacrifices for the Illuminati . Our government has been ran by them for years . The illuminati is known for their blood sacrifices (history shows it research it) but yet we let them run our country and sacrifice our population????? The breaking news on sandy hook you could tell instantly it was staged…then obama witch is in the illuminati (seen publically throwing their signs) with his fake tears is cought in a photo with a little girl thats supposed to be dead sitting in his lap…other evidence came quick but still nothing about the coverups on the public news. Its more important to cover stories about a fake dead girlfriend of a football player or lance armstrong dopeing???? I called fox news and asked why and all i got was we appreciate your concern and got hung up on??? I would think our government staging shootings killing innocent people would be more important??? Wouldnt you????? Now theirs talk everywhere obama is getting ready to declair martal law to take our guns (GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ONE ….lol…the latest ive heard is obama already knows about something thats gonna happen in washington thats gonna kill alot of innocent porple (something nucular???) And yet not 1 public media has aired that ….but i bet if it does happen i bet obama and his family wont be anywhere around safe and sound…i keep reading and watching vidios about the illum
February 7th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
.Its a very sick thing when we have let our government use our people and our childern as human sacrifices for the Illuminati . Our government has been ran by them for years . The illuminati is known for their blood sacrifices (history shows it research it) but yet we let them run our country and sacrifice our population????? The breaking news on sandy hook you could tell instantly it was staged…then obama witch is in the illuminati (seen publically throwing their signs) with his fake tears is cought in a photo with a little girl thats supposed to be dead sitting in his lap…other evidence came quick but still nothing about the coverups on the public news. Its more important to cover stories about a fake dead girlfriend of a football player or lance armstrong dopeing???? I called fox news and asked why and all i got was we appreciate your concern and got hung up on??? I would think our government staging shootings killing innocent people would be more important??? Wouldnt you????? Now theirs talk everywhere obama is getting ready to declair martal law to take our guns (GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ONE ….lol…the latest ive heard is obama already knows about something thats gonna happen in washington thats gonna kill alot of innocent porple (something nucular???) And yet not 1 public media has aired that ….but i bet if it does happen i bet obama and his family wont be anywhere around safe and sound…i keep reading and watching vidios about the illuminati being reptillians so now i guess our country is being ran by alians (sacrificing our children) come on poeple lets kick them all out of office!?!!
February 7th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
@109 – Crack kills. Stop it.
February 7th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Occams Razor is a wonderful thing. Learn about it, and maybe take a break from going to the weird part of the internet for a bit.
February 7th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Oh, dear me. @109′s rambling mindfarts strongly resemble the guy who used to sit at the lunch counter with a blank piece of cardboard and a pencil and read invisible words out loud.
Hey, Dusty, honk if you think there’s an alien spaceship orbiting the moon. (I have pictures.)