Saturday steaming bowl of Skeet (Updated)
Old Trooper sent this photo from a link at Weekly Standard which says that the White House released this photo this morning. Is it just me, or is that a LOT of smoke coming out of the muzzle? And I’ve never seen a barrel ported that far back, or in that direction and the smoke coming out of the port doesn’t seem to correspond to the smoke coming out of the muzzle. He seems to be shooting a little low for a target that should be in the air, like a bird, not on the ground like Pauxatauny Phil.
But then someone sent us a picture that might explain it;
I’ve never shot a shotgun that cost a few thousand dollars or one that was designed for skeet shooting – all of mine were tools made for doing a job. So, I’m asking.
UPDATE: Here’s a screen shot of a guy shooting at target with the Browning Citori, the same weapon the president is using;
I took it from this video – I don’t see the amount of smoke pouring out of the muzzle like the President’s. I also see some recoil in the video that I don’t see in the picture of the President. So, either the picture of the President is photo shopped or he’s using blanks. In my considered opinion.
February 2nd, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Got that hog a little high up on the shoulder there don’t he?
February 2nd, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Hmmm……Didn’t know he was a Lefty……Imean, left-handed.
February 2nd, 2013 at 1:51 pm
“I am Barrack H. Obama, millionaire, I own a mansion and a yacht.”
Again.
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:02 pm
The White House has released a shot of Obama shooting skeet, like he does “all the time.” The only problem is that I have seen a better staged picture in a middle school play.
1) His shirt is too properly tucked in. When shooting skeet, you keep your rifle targeted on them. Look at the bottom of his shirt. He hasn’t lifted the rifle above that height. If he had, it would be loose.
2) His finger is wrapped around the trigger. When you shoot, you stroke the trigger. Only people who know nothing about properly targeting and shooting wrap their finger fully around the trigger.
3) The rifle is not elevated enough. Skeet shooting involves shooting the skeet in the air. The way he is holding the rifle and has it elevated, he is shooting a static target, not a flying disk.
4) Wrong grip style for non-static shooting. When you shoot a static target, you grip in the rear and balance on the front. When you are shooting a moving target with a rifle, you keep a firm grip on the front and hold the rifle tight against your shoulder (your rear hand is only used for pulling the trigger).
5) No recoil stress. If he were firing an actual round out of the rifle, he would be showing the stresses of recoil in his arms and against his shoulder. Also, his cheek would be pulled back slightly as the rifle moved backwards with the shot.
6) Too much smoke. Modern firearms rounds use a smokeless powder. Especially when shooting skeet, you don’t want a great deal of smoke to obscure your view of your next shot.
And finally,
7) When was this picture taken? The W.H. says it was taken on August, 4th. During the President’s birthday trip to Camp David… so why are they waiting until now to post it? He was golfing with friends for six hours according to the official press reports. So, that would place this picture at approximately 4-6 PM… but the light is high over the President’s left shoulder and is cloud-shaded (it was a clear day according to the NOAA).
So, White House… Please, let your people know to at least simulate the correct lighting and have SOMEONE who knows what they are doing to post the President for the picture.
Also, can anyone identify the specific type of weapon he is using?
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:08 pm
The long dissertation above is rendered null and void by the repeated use of the word, “rifle” when Skeet Shooting is done with a shotgun…
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Looks kinda like my Browning BT-99. Mine is ported but I have neve seen that much smoke from a target load. even when three of us are on the line. Too high on the sholder and even a target load gives you a bump back.
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Sorry for the double post, but um… Anyone see a small discrepancy here?
Look at his pooch and his hair. Okay. Now, here is a link from him boarding Marine-One on August 4th for his trip to Camp David…
Is it just me or did his hair go gray at the temples (like it is now), he gained about fifteen pounds in the stomach, and he must also have a different watch for shooting.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20120805/0023ae6cf36911884d6916.jpg
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:21 pm
When staging a photo you have to make sure to appease the masses, such as: if Obarry was to throw a grenade it would have to explode into a gigantic fireball.
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Maybe it’s an old-fashioned steam rifle.
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Bet he threw up after having his hands on that disgusting, icky shotgun before bathing in hand sanitizer.
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Damn you Jonn! I was thinking Duck season also.
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Odd; no motion blur on the gun or on the shooter… but the smoke is heavily motion-blurred.
Physics says, “Huh?”
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:36 pm
OK, does the word photo-shop mean anything?
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:38 pm
There is so much wrong with this photo release. It is just wriong, all wrong. My first question is simply “Why?”
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Yeah, he went gray in a couple of hours just because he went to go “do skeet shooting”?
My muzzle loader smokes almost that much, no shotgun I’ve ever fired does.
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:46 pm
I have found only one remotely similar photo online of someone shooting a shotgun where you can see a bit of “smoke”… nothing that heave and certainly not shooting out of the top of the barrel like that.
That being said, it took them long enough to stage a photo shoot.
February 2nd, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Photoshopped, not a very good job. I bloomed that image up to 200%. The trigger hasn’t been pulled far enough, either. It’s a small detail, but it looks like the hammer is not forward enough and there is no sign of its release.
February 2nd, 2013 at 3:09 pm
The quantity of smoke is puzzling and I have got me some skeets and traps in my time. That little poof to the side is especially something I have never seen, but maybe things have changed. Parallel to the ground would mean that the skeets are about to hit the dirt and break…they don’t taste good after hotting the ground.
February 2nd, 2013 at 3:21 pm
“I go out with my trusty 12-gauge double-barrel, crawl around on my stomach. I track and move and decoy and play games and try to outsmart them. You know, you kind of play the wind. That’s hunting.”
John Kerry, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 7/5/04
February 2nd, 2013 at 3:32 pm
@18: The poof to the side is from the ported barrel in this type of (trap) gun, I believe. You’d think a left-handed guy would have a port to the left, but while this is an actual picture of him shooting, I don’t think he does it often enough to care that much or have his own gun.
February 2nd, 2013 at 3:37 pm
#20: thanks. Never heard of that…learn something every day. My old Remington Sportsman 58′s don’t have such a thing. The amount of smoke is something though.
February 2nd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
One shot does not a shooter make.
February 2nd, 2013 at 4:34 pm
American Thinker just posted my short piece on the topic with a link to this site:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/02/the_target_explains_it.html
February 2nd, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Obviously photoshopped. Barry only uses solar or windmill powered rifles.
February 2nd, 2013 at 5:07 pm
* It’s a break-action over-under shotgun. That thing on the top isn’t a hammer, it’s the break-lever.
February 2nd, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Lousy form, though.
February 2nd, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Whoops!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=165350303612773&set=pb.149663161848154.-2207520000.1359839836&type=3&theater
February 2nd, 2013 at 5:20 pm
The comments on puffho are ridiculous, the WH can wheel out a picture of BHO piloting a fuggin’ UFO and they’d believe it without question. I also noticed on the updated photo there’s no smoke shooting skyward like in the BHO photoshop.
February 2nd, 2013 at 5:34 pm
I haven’t seen a Photoshop hack job this bad since Steve Jordan was in his mom’s back yard (whoops: Baghdad) with the brass being ejected OVER the ejection port of his Airsoft rifle.
February 2nd, 2013 at 5:37 pm
I have a Browning Citori 725 (Clearly I also have a very generous wife
) I have terrorized everything from skeet to quail with this thing and I have to say that this photo’s top-right jet of smoke mystifies me.
Someone above mentioned the ported barrel. It is important to note however that if that is in fact a Citori (and it looks like one), that blast of smoke is very unlikely. Citoris come from the factory with invector plus choke tubes. Whether you are firing with a full choke or a modified cylinder that smoke escape is almost entirely blocked and the gas escapes from the end of the barrel.
Which leads to the huge amount of smoke produced from a shotgun firing a target load? I can reproduce both effects you see above fairly simply.
Replace the trap barrel assembly with slug barrels (no choke) and fire either a slug or 00-Buckshot which require significantly more powder than target shot.
Although that much power given his stance would probably put him on his skinny ass. You would certaily see severe recoil withdrawal.
So, after all of this, I have no idea.
I’m voting photoshop because I don’t believe anything that comes from this crowd.
February 2nd, 2013 at 6:35 pm
It looks like the “shotgun” is actually a “Choom Gang” bowl that he’s smoking…
February 2nd, 2013 at 6:47 pm
I Matt has hit it on the head!
February 2nd, 2013 at 7:09 pm
I’ve taken dozens of photos of my guys shooting clay and there is barely any smoke visible.
Emailed a couple of photos from when we visited my son at Sheppard AFB in Oct.
February 2nd, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Can’t be real. THE WON would crap his pants if he even heard the report of a shotgun.
February 2nd, 2013 at 7:15 pm
i agree that it is obvious photoshop, but some of the comments, sheesh!
February 2nd, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Everyone knows its rabbit season.
February 2nd, 2013 at 8:05 pm
There are birther truthers. Now there is a skeet shooting congresswoman truther. I kid you not!
http://news.msn.com/politics/congresswoman-questions-obamas-skeet-shooting-claims
February 2nd, 2013 at 8:13 pm
And I really don’t give a flying fig whether he has ever shot a gun at all, and resent that he is trying to make me.
February 2nd, 2013 at 8:14 pm
From a AA and Master Class NSCA shooter friend of mine:
“Dear Mr. Pres, please stick to golf. That picture of you shooting the shotgun is embarrassing. I’m trying to convince my AA and Master Class NSCA peers to stop rolling in the floor laughing. The way you got it mounted, (bet your shoulder hurts)…can’t see the target can you? Receivers and Barrels are not transparent. What you got in that 425 or maybe it’s a 525 piece of crap, a paper cased, black powder cartridge? Target guns don’t smoke like that, so the only explanation is a special reload of stinky stuff just for show. What happened to the choke in the bottom barrel? Forget to tighten it up and now it’s laying out on the range somewhere? That’s OK, I’ve seen it happen to people who have shot even more than once or twice.”
February 2nd, 2013 at 8:24 pm
I could maybe believe the smoke if he was using reloads with some of the dirtier powder. Some of my reloads can be a little messy but I doubt the POTUS is using reloads so the smoke?…I’m throwing a flag on this as well as him not exhibiting any signs of recoil.
February 2nd, 2013 at 8:32 pm
if he turned his face away from the muzzle it would look like an old revolutionary war recreation of someone shooting a musket
February 2nd, 2013 at 8:49 pm
I don’t know if the President ever shoots skeet. Frankly, I don’t give a shit. I know what type of guy he is and whether or not he picked up skeet shooting at Camp David has no bearing on that. He’s still a morally adrift, intellectually pretentious, anti-American, Progressive politician.
That said, the picture shown above, if it’s undoctored, is likely of him shooting Trap, not Skeet. His shotgun is too low and there’s no Skeet house or launcher behind him which is almost necessitated by the angle of the picture. Does this matter? Probably not. That the White House PR and/or the President doesn’t know the difference between the two doesn’t much matter, we all ready know they’re that sort of crowd. They just wanted to put out a picture of him being all “sportsmen” like, with a gun.
Nobody is changing sides over this bullshit.
February 2nd, 2013 at 8:52 pm
You have been warned.
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/02/02/White-House-Warns-Don-t-Photoshop-Obama-Gun-Pic
February 2nd, 2013 at 9:01 pm
Is there -anything- from this guy that isn’t fake.
February 2nd, 2013 at 9:02 pm
Saw that earlier, Hack. My first reaction was, “Or what?”
Then contemplated buying Photoshop just to play around with the pic, but finally decided that he isn’t worth the expense. Besides, there are other options on this computer, so even if it got manipulated there would be the excuse,”You said not to Photoshop it. I didn’t.”
February 2nd, 2013 at 9:14 pm
Don’t photoshop it, only the WH can do that. How dare ANYONE question our gunfighter/”President”?!
February 2nd, 2013 at 9:19 pm
Obama is so thin skinned. Instead of just letting the issue die, as the press would allow it to, he has to release a photo proving he is a man. We all know better. We’ve seen himn throw a baseball and ride a dorky bike. This photo changes nothing establlished by the two other photos.
February 2nd, 2013 at 9:25 pm
Well, at least he has ear protection….
February 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
He should not have a gun, for the same reason as this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdYkOdvwlpc
Got no idea what he’s doing.
February 2nd, 2013 at 10:13 pm
#41 Mr Quincy P. An “old revolutionary war” musket shooter would not be turing their head. Colonial troops were taught to “take aim at a target in the distance” when they fired their muskets. The other myth I can disabuse you of is that colonial troops hid behind trees as a matter of course. The Continental Army met the best army in the world toe to toe playing by the conventional rules of the day and beat them enough of the times that they went home. Sorry to be off topic. Just had to get that out.
February 2nd, 2013 at 10:43 pm
If Dear Leader was shooting some skeets, wouldn’t He have a shell pouch so He could reload? I still wave the BS flag on all the smoke. Wonder if the Camp David armorer set Him up with some smoke rounds?
February 3rd, 2013 at 12:01 am
I wonder if he cleans and eats all of the skeet he shoots.
February 3rd, 2013 at 12:22 am
Regarding your update video:
The other thing is that the gas blowing out the rib vents fans out vertically both above and below the barrel, and out both sides of the barrel–unlike the skeeter-in-chief’s shot. Further, the smoke is not nearly as dense.
So the skeeter-in-chief’s photo is most assuredly not fake. Thus spake Carney…
February 3rd, 2013 at 2:46 am
The White House threatens the world not to Photoshop the pic or what?
The world responds, “Molon labe, you clueless pussies.”
February 3rd, 2013 at 4:32 am
why hasn’t anyone mentioned that the gun only has one choke tube. It looks like the top barrel has a choke tube and the
lower barrel doe not. a double barrel is always used in skeet
if not a semi-automatic or pump. So why no choke tube in the
lower barrel?
February 3rd, 2013 at 8:31 am
Shhh…don’t bring up the Photoshop thingy. That will end up on the list of regulated items. We’ll have to register our copies and they may get confiscated.
February 3rd, 2013 at 8:34 am
The “official” WH photo has some problems i.e. stance, stock placement on the should instead of in the shoulder when firing, the ported barrel appears to have smoke coming out of only one side and the amount of smoke in general.
So, what I think happened is that they took a picture of Obama with the shotgun up and then added the smoke later to make it appear that he was in the middle of shooting. Unfortunately, whomever added the smoke to the picture knows as much about shooting as Obama does.
February 3rd, 2013 at 9:44 am
He only has to convince those who believe anything he says, so to 50% of ignorant America, if he says he was skeet shooting, then this picture is all the proof they will ever need, and we are all just conspiracy nuts.
February 3rd, 2013 at 9:45 am
I wonder if the skeets feel their rights were violated by this radical gun nut?
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:01 am
Do you need a license to shoot skeets? Can you shoot the females and males? Is there a skeet season?
February 3rd, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Maybe they should have posed him with Michael Dukakis in his tank turret giving Obama instructions on how to shoot skeet.
What’s next, the publishing of some of Michelle Obama’s favorite White House skeet recipes?
February 3rd, 2013 at 12:42 pm
He is attempting to man up…
February 3rd, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Dunno if this was answered previously… some such shotguns are “ported” (vented) to as to lessen the recoil to better maintain target picture.
I had to look this up after seeing the photo… otherwise I know nothing about skeet shooting.
GA
February 3rd, 2013 at 3:57 pm
@62, yeah, as someone mentioned upthread, we’ve seen him throw a baseball and ride a bike. It’ll take more than photoshop to help him man up.
February 3rd, 2013 at 5:20 pm
At least he didn’t shoot a Texas attorney in the face and blame it on the person he shot. Funny how that was never mentioned.
February 3rd, 2013 at 5:23 pm
there is no point for the white house to post photos like this anyway, unless the president can figure out a way to change his skin color none you will change your opinion of him, now matter how many great things he continues to do for this country.
February 3rd, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Yeah-it’s straight up racism, remember that no matter what we say we also hate Allen West, Tim Scott, Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell just because they’re black.
Dumbass.
February 3rd, 2013 at 6:02 pm
What OBG does not get is that nothing would change our opinions of Obama even if he were white. We still wouldn’t like him.
February 3rd, 2013 at 6:08 pm
66: I also despise Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, John F’ing Kerry, etc. I’m an equal opportunity despiser.
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:06 pm
OBG, you voted for him because of his skin tone, I bet. That makes you the racist! Joke is on you though, he’s bi-racial.
He’s not black and he’s not white; actually he’s pink, as in America-hating, pinko-commie. That’s why we dislike him.
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:18 pm
OG’s incaapable of thinking on her own. You’re wasting your time fellas.
February 4th, 2013 at 12:47 am
What is he using for sights? He appears to be attempting to look down the BORE of the shotgun, instead of the sights on top of the barrel! It’s riding awful high on his shoulder too.
February 4th, 2013 at 12:50 am
It’s a novelty teakettle!
February 4th, 2013 at 1:22 am
Too high on the shoulder — yeah, if he actually fired that thing, wouldn’t it throw itself right past his shoulder on the recoil? That’s scary.
February 4th, 2013 at 3:56 am
The angle of the shotgun might work on the sub-species of Skeet. Trap shooting is what I am thinking. The stupid of these pictures is amazing. I am sure we can play “find the 10 thimgs wrong with this picture. OG , what unit and time of tour,you know month and year. Also,what base or bases were assigned to? Joe
February 4th, 2013 at 7:39 am
My ribs are still aching from where I’ve read the White House’s statement on other site that that pic IS NOT to be photoshopped….
Maser Media is having a photoshop contest with that pic, and folks are having a ball elsewhere, I like the one where B. Hussein Øbama has the shotgun backward, much like Joe Biden would!!
February 4th, 2013 at 7:54 am
http://masermedia.org/contest-best-shop-of-obama-shooting-skeet/
February 4th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
The other hole is so he can do two things at once.
February 4th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Bogus to one who skeet shoots regularly. Probably made from the same photoshop program that produced his Birth Cert and Selective Service registration. He needs a new forger. Really bad documents.
February 4th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
I he says he was skeet shooting it would be among the first times in his life he has told the truth.
February 4th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
I think all the skeets ran away and hid. I know I would.
February 4th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Maybe O-gurl would volunteer to hold the skeet for Duh-one…
What?
February 4th, 2013 at 11:12 pm
His elbow is also too low so he wouldn’t hit the broad side of a barn if he was standing in it. Shoots like a girl.
February 4th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Let’s have a an impartial dentist check to see how much damage he sustained to the left side of his jaw. A
February 4th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
What a great hunter!! Let’s have a an impartial dentist check to see how much damage he sustained to the left side of his jaw from the recoil. And if he shot on August 4 last year, there should be some pics of discoloration and swelling.
February 4th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
I don’t see why he couldn’t be shooting skeet. Even though they may be higher, by the time President Teleprompter makes a decision the target would be almost on the ground.
Or on the ground.
The reason you see a lot of smoke is because he’s using a special “Presidential” load.
February 5th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
I’ve only shot a shotgun a few times in my life, and not for a LONG time. So I’m far from an expert. Even less expert on golf. To me, the photo of BHO trying to prove ” we do skeet shooting all the tone” looks a lot like O.J. Simpson playing golf. As a novice, I think I could do just s well. The shotgun I shot would have knock him on his scrawny butt.
February 7th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
masermedia.org link of photoshopped pix from comment #77 has been taken down. It was up last night.