Morally Vicious, Intellectually Vacuous Left, Always With Us
It is a sad day in the warrior community when one of our own is slain by another of our own. In the extant situation, the shooting of a genuine hero, former SEAL, Chris Kyle, it seems fairly evident that his killer, a former Marine, is suffering from PTSD. While his mental state will never provide total absolution from his guilt, for those of us here who have seen ground combat, suffered its lingering effects and overcome them over time, our condemnation has to be mostly of the crime and not the man. That said, I fully understand the anger shown in yesterday’s comments here at TAH.
What are harder to fathom or forgive are the rabidly vicious comments bubbling up from the sulphurous depths of leftist fury. To their everlasting shame, some in the liberal media always will resort to this sort of cruel gloating at the death of a man who served his country well. However when reading the truly hateful comments on the social networks, it is helpful to bear in mind who the most likely perpetrators of such venom actually are. Picture some pimply-faced, insecure, unemployed nerd with a degree in humanities, cloistered in his old bedroom at his parent’s home, angrily banging away at the keyboard, venting his self-caused frustration at those who have accomplished so much more with their lives than he can ever hope to. Picture that and you will probably have a fairly close image of your culprit.
Thanks to Obamanomics, our country has far too many of these contemporary cave-dwellers still dependent on their parents; and, unrecognized by them, it is the failure of their Great Leader’s socialist policies to lead them out of their darkened bedrooms into a world of prosperity that has them so frustrated and resentful. What the younger of you reading this don’t realize is how fortunate we are that so many of these trolls are hidden away from sight. When I returned from Vietnam in December 1966, the streets and campuses were full of these effete mama’s boys and their equally deluded female counterparts, all screaming vicious anti-military and anti-American slogans provided by Soviet propagandists who couldn’t believe their incredible luck in having so many gullible chumps available to do their dirty work.
Tens of thousands of those useful idiots, even then as now, unsuited for real work and achievement, eventually migrated into that field best suited for such people, education, and created a huge socialist incubator warmed and fed with our tax dollars, that today continues to perpetuate this parade of know-nothing, liberal twits who mistakenly fancy themselves intellectually and morally superior to the rest of us. It is on such occasions as the death of Chris Kyle that we get an opportunity to see that moral and intellectual superiority for just what it truly is, juvenile emotionalism grounded in insulated ignorance and made manifest in a venomous and frenzied hatred of anyone who disagrees with them.
We had a “Joe” back in my day with a far larger audience than the fool who trolls here. That was John F. Kerry and the vicious slanders and libels he directed at Vietnam veterans makes our Joe look like the minor league putz he his. We Vietnam vets have had to stifle our anger for decades as the liberal Democrats deified this traitor and even tried to make him our commander-in-chief. Now we have to suppress the urge to scream out our frustrations as this fool of a president spits in our eyes by elevating Kerry even further, making him representative to the world for the nation he betrayed. But then, that’s Democrats for you.
While you lefties vilify our dead hero, I will honor one of yours by congratulating the “Lion of the Senate” Ted Kennedy, for now having gone three years, five months and eight days without a drink. What a lady-killer that Teddy, a true liberal icon and hero, right up there in the Democrat pantheon with phony war hero, John Kerry, serial sexual predator, Bill Clinton and Marxist, Muslim skeetster, Barack Obama. It is so predictably perverted how all you morally and intellectually superior liberal elites pick your heroes that it is almost laughable; almost, not quite. Actually it’s rather sad, so you can keep ‘em.
We have a tradition of honoring authentic heroes: RIP Chris Kyle.
February 4th, 2013 at 8:38 am
Well said, Poetrooper.
February 4th, 2013 at 8:47 am
Amen, amen, AMEN!!!
And before the usual trolls come in here and try to spin how Kerry was a “hero”, consider the circumstances under which he served, how he left the Vietnam AO, and how he regarded (and still regards) his service.
When you look with unbiased eyes at the nature of the man’s “service” which was not for hit country but for his own personal gain, and then look at his shameful acts of using his “credibility” in order to denigrate his fellow veterans, maybe then you’ll begin to understand why he is no hero to the majority of his fellow veterans.
But then again, I doubt it.
February 4th, 2013 at 8:48 am
hit = his. Damn Monday morning fat-fingering.
February 4th, 2013 at 8:50 am
I truly look forward to the day when the Kennedy clan is no longer idolized by the press.
February 4th, 2013 at 8:56 am
Rest in peace, Chris Kyle. Valhalla awaits.
February 4th, 2013 at 8:58 am
And don’t forget Paul Wellstone…one plane down to earth kinda guy.
February 4th, 2013 at 9:06 am
PH2–sadly, that day will likely never come, certainly not within the confines of Massholistan.
And while you’re at it, Poetrooper, throw in Sens. “Call me Senator” Boxer and “Guns for Me but not for Thee” Feinstein, soon-to-be-departed “Vietnam Veteran” Harkin, etc., who don’t even have their names to rely on, but rather a letter after their name which sheeple who think no further than “what’s in it for me” before pulling the lever in the voting booth.
And what will they think when “what’s in it for them” is a lifetime of slavery to the state? Oh wait–they’re already there, they just haven’t realized it yet.
February 4th, 2013 at 9:14 am
I agree with the first paragraph…and wanted to add my own $.02
His actions are not the result of PTSD. PTSD does not MAKE you commit an act like this. The criminal is fully responsible for each and every part of his muderous act.
February 4th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Very well said.
February 4th, 2013 at 9:18 am
Oh, the irony. Chris dies while helping a fellow vet. Meanwhile, those who villify him are in their usual fetal position, whining.
Never thought much about anyone being morally superior to another, but in this case, it is difficult to avoid seeing it.
February 4th, 2013 at 9:30 am
“Picture some pimply-faced, insecure, unemployed nerd with a degree in humanities, cloistered in his old bedroom at his parent’s home, angrily banging away at the keyboard” –
This may be a part of that population demographic, but it should also include those who habituate cyber cafes and WiFi hotspots and the free computer/internet rooms at public libraries, not working because they are unwilling to take the cheaper low-wage jobs as opposed to not having jobs, because those low-wage jobs are beneath them and they really don’t want to work.
February 4th, 2013 at 9:36 am
All well and true, Poetrooper. The worm will turn on these cultural marxist tools and I’ll be there to enjoy every last second of it.
February 4th, 2013 at 9:53 am
@11 as well as some of whom are actually pretty smart, well employed, moneyed people, who happen to also be morally bankrupt and don’t mind any opportunity to push their agenda.
The vitriol from the left during the Bush years has left an indelible stain on the political landscape. There appears to be no ability to work together with liberals, they want their opponents to yield on every disagreement as opposed to compromising for the good of the nation. Uncompromising politicians might be interesting, but with our system of government it creates a powerful gridlock. No budget for years, no movement on reduction of spending, and a president who rules by fiat.
Yet we the electorate continue to put the same people who don’t do their jobs back in office time and again all the while complaining about the lack of progress in DC. We the people are getting the government we deserve because we the people are too lazy to vote for anyone but an incumbent 9 out of 10 times….
February 4th, 2013 at 10:21 am
Well done PT, well done.
February 4th, 2013 at 11:21 am
Well said, PT.
“Picture some pimply-faced, insecure, unemployed nerd with a degree in humanities, cloistered in his old bedroom at his parent’s home, angrily banging away at the keyboard” – it should also include those who habituate cyber cafes and WiFi hotspots and the free computer/internet rooms at public libraries”. You mean like those two or three who came in and crapped all over the original thread about Chris Kyle, Ex? Wait, Joey claims to have a job.
February 4th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Poet Trooper,
You are obviously grieveing, so I guess you deserve the benefit of the doubt. Despite the “rabidly vicious comments bubbling up from the sulphurous depths of leftist fury” (you do have a poetic bent, don’t you?), I’ll remind you I never impugned Chris Kyle’s service. That didn’t stop people frompiling on. I did ask the question, if a guy with his record and qualifications can’t protect himself from gun violence, what hope is there for the rest of us.
Honestly, I think the explosion of vitriol from this site and other conservatives is because you are grieving twice over – once for you friend Chris Kelly, and once for your long cherished but now thoroughly debunked notion that if only one packs enough heat he or she will be safe. Having this canard exposed for the sham it is, and faced with the hard reality that gun violence is random and unpredictable in nature, realizing once andfor all that the conservative’s polite armed society is a dangerous fairy tale, you are lashing out in any and every direction.
I’m sorry for Chris Kellys’ death. I’m not sorry the NRA’s myth has been laid to rest.
February 4th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Well said, just can’t add to that.
February 4th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Very Very well said.
I made the mistake of watching the movie “Love and Honor” this weekend. I am still not over it and WOULD NOT recommend it for any Viet Nam Veteran
February 4th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Why has the left been so successful politically? Why, because they have been effective at promising all sorts of different groups access to other people’s money. But this condition cannot last (as Hondo has pointed out on several threads, with Joe predictably stomping his feet and crying foul, because he knows what that truth portends for his worldview).
It will all end in tears at which point the political class can either try to oppress the productive (which they will try, but which will not work) or they can dismantle the subsidy state and get out of the way of productive Americans. The pols will be loathe to do this, because it will display their ultimate irrelevance in most aspects of life, but there will be only misery with any other course of action.
February 4th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Joe-your continued insistence that the mommy state can make it all better has been completely debunked, to include the idea that free men can cede their well being, physical or financial, to the bureaucracy. Nonetheless, I see that you got the quote correct (this time), but your accuracy is still lacking-his name was Chris Kyle, not Kelly. Nobody here is buying what you’re selling-get bent.
February 4th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Sorry, I was multi tasking. Meant Chris Kyle.
February 4th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Amen.
February 4th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Joe, you are so fucking stupid. Give me ONE gun rights advocate who has EVER said, “You will be 100% safe from harm and live to die of old age as long as you have a gun.” That would be the only thing disproven by Kyle’s death, but nobody’s ever made that argument.
And save the, “I’m sorry for Chris Kyle’s death” BS. You’re standing on his grave and you know it.
February 4th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Joe: that’s a pathetic argument, oh aged and pathetic little draft dodger. But coming from you, pathetic is par for the course.
No one here (or at the NRA) has ever claimed “armed = perfect safety”, dipstick. What has been fully proven is that (1) strict gun control leads to more violent crime, not less; (2) there is no cause/effect link between strict gun control and lower rate of firearms murders, and (3) you have a better chance if you’re armed than if you are not. And you know damn well know that. You’re simply coming here to offend.
If someone you trust gets behind you and takes advantage of that trust to shoot you in the back (or stabs you in the back, for that matter – or to bash in your skull with a baseball bat or tire iron), well, there’s nothing you can do about it – armed or not. I’d expect even a hypocritical imbecile like yourself to be able to figure that out. And, frankly, I fully expect you already know that, too.
However, in virtually all other circumstances having a firearm DOES INDEED improve your chances of surviving an attack by someone who’s armed – whether they’re armed with a knife, a tire iron, baseball bat, or a gun. Per the FBI, about 1% of crimes are murders. Lawful firearms use is estimated to prevent approximately 2.5 million violent crimes yearly – which means that lawful firearms use prevents about 25,000 murders, or over twice the number of those murdered using firearms annually. Gun use therefore saves 2x+ more lives than it takes. Any way you look at it, that’s a net positive.
Ask the current Mayor of Milwaulkee how it feels to be beaten about the head with a tire iron when you’re unarmed and can’t do a damn thing about it. Based on what I’ve read, he didn’t much enjoy the experience.
February 4th, 2013 at 11:55 am
I’ll remind you I never impugned Chris Kyle’s service
Oh, sure you did, in a roundabout sort of way, kind of like the dickheads who go, “Well, I support the troops, BUT…”
Seriously Joe, you know not of which you speak, therefore you should not, but like Ron White once said (paraphrasing), you have the right to remain silent, you just don’t have the ability…
And frankly, Joe, only you could try to claim the same situation as one who is armed, ready, and defending one’s property or lives to someone who gets ambushed from behind. Even you can’t deny that if someone is going to kill you, best time to do it is when they’re not expecting it.
February 4th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Seriously Joe, quit trolling! Give Chris Kyle the respect he deserves. Also, there will always be violence. No matter how hard you try to disarm people and make a so called “eutopia”, violence will always be there.
February 4th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
I scrolled through some of the comments on the news about Chris Kyle’s death. Sadly a lot of those make Joe’s seem pretty tame in comparison.
February 4th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Joe’s not going to quit trolling until the district superintendent gets a phone call, and probably not even then.
February 4th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Joey-boy, what part of ‘shot in the back at point blank range’ do you not get?
Chris Kyle and his neighbor were shot in the back at point blank range by someone they trusted.
Your argument that “a guy with his record and qualifications can’t protect himself from gun violence” is without merit because you intentionally ignored the circumstances.
Please do not ever sit on a jury. Your judgment is questionable at the very least, dangerous at its worst.
February 4th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
I don’t give a rat’s ass NHS, I’m outta here soon. But it says a lot about how you deal with people who disagree with you, loser.
February 4th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Sparky never said he was going to do anything. Are you and Obamagirl related?
February 4th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
@#30. Don’t let the door hit you on your way out. And, the sooner the better.
February 4th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Gee, dipshit, have I called anyone yet? I will continue to deal with you the same way I’ve always dealt with you and your ilk–scorn and ridicule, because logic, facts, and reason simply don’t work well with you.
Then again, I’m guessing you’ve been warned about such behavior before? Tell me I’m wrong. I’m begging you.
And what UpNorth said–you should have left when it was apparent your input was neither needed nor wanted, so what exactly is keeping you here besides my bright and shiny face, ya fucktard?
February 4th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
I have to disagree that this generation’s is all that hidden from sight. Besides becoming the leadership of our country (My God, how the heck is John “The Traitor” Kerry Sec of State?!!???), they are right out on the street with us.
Like the scum who spit on my son at Denver’s Parade of Lights last Dec. My son went straight from base to the parade so he wouldn’t miss his girlfriend, who was marching with CSU’s band, so he was in his ABUs. This ski bum type of punk spit on him and called him nasty names. Of course, no one around him said anything (sheep). I give my son kudos for staying calm and finding the nearest cop instead of slugging him. Said cop happened to be retired Navy and took a dim view of Ski Bum’s buddies trying to defend him. Since the cop wanted to watch the rest of the parade (wink, wink), Ski Bum got to sit in his patrol car for another hour or two, then get processed, THEN get held for his full 24 hours. Maybe losing most of his weekend in jail taught him a lesson. No, probably not.
Sadly to say, my sister-in-law is one of them, a tried and true People’s Republic of Boulder leftie of the Vietnam War protester variety (she’s my mom’s age). When my daughter told her she was also joining the Air Force, her first words were “You know they rape girls, don’t you?”. She also stood in my kitchen years back and viciously wished President Bush dead, in front of my kids. Oh, and she hates her own brother who is a retired colonel. I stopped getting emails from my niece when I politely asked her to not forward MoveOn.org emails to me. Needless to say, since my mother-in-law died last year, we don’t see them often. They live an hour away and we haven’t seen them in a year.
February 4th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Hey NHSparkyUPNorth,
This IS a public site. If Jonn wanted, he could require a log on account with name and password, and lock out accounts he doesn’t like. Or just block comments from me. But he hasn’t. To his credit, despite his dislike of me and presumably people like ObamaGirl, he has kept the site open to dissenting opinion. You would prefer to keep it your own personal boys’ club – too bad.
February 4th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
Actually, I do recall Jonn telling you “fuck you” in the Chris Kyle thread.
IOW, even Jonn’s patience has its limits. There’s dissenting opinion, and then there’s just being a fucking douchebag troll (like you.)
Like I (and others) have said–you seem to be all butthurt about your treatment here, yet here you remain, which tells me you’re not interested in a reasoned discourse, but simply to be another raging fucktard, as you’ve been pretty much since day one.
Your presence here adds nothing to the discussion, save a glimpse into the abyss that is the liberal mindset and where we’d end up should we follow your “suggestion” of your dystopian views. But thanks for that at least–I guess.
February 4th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
Gee, Joey-boy, you said you were leaving.
Make up your mind.
February 4th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Joe, this is for you: You did not answer my question, to wit: “what part of ‘shot in the back at point blank range’ do you not get?”
I don’t think you can actually form it, but I want an answer to that question.
February 4th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Actually, Joe, TAH is NOT a public site. It is a PRIVATE site, run by a private individual who owns it. Jonn’s house, Jonn’s rules – period. He wants any of us gone, we’re gone.
Jonn allows mostly open commenting. A few idiots who’ve pissed Jonn off enough are moderated, and one or two might now finally be banned (haven’t asked). But it’s solely his call on who comments here – and who doesn’t.
February 4th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
I think Joe was referring to leaving his place of employment, not leaving the blog.
No comment about the Kyle killing, and particularly the vicious garbage in the comments on the various liberal rags.
I’ve learned over the years that rage doesn’t improve my eloquence.
February 4th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
No one ever said arming yourself somehow makes you invincible. However, when given the opportunity I’d rather have a CHANCE to defend myself and survive. Joe you’re not making any sense man.
February 4th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
@40 PN, this gives you an opportunity to enhance your spontaneous rebuttals to moronic diatribe and vitriol.
February 4th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Right you are Pinto.
Without me and a few others willing to shed your verbal abuse the way a duck’s back sheds water, this echo chamber would be so boring, a bunch of “amen brothers” and not much else.
PH-22, Redacted1775 and others, that’s the point, the threat rarely comes from the direction you think it will, no matter how well armed and intuitive you think you are. So you have to be on high alert at all times (i.e., a state of paranoia) in the delusion that you will be ready and safe, not a practical state of affairs for even a trained military specialist. And as the country gets more heavily armed day by day, knowing that, perhaps the criminals will start to shoot first and ask questions later, kind of a use it or lose it scenario in this “armed by very polite” society.
February 4th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Paranoia is an irrational fear based on something that doesn’t exist. Again, you’re not making any sense.
February 4th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Obviously, Joey-boy, you have never had to walk home after work from your car to your apartment at 2AM in Chicago.
Somehow, I managed to stay alive all these years doing just that, despite the number of criminals with guns on the street, and never have had ownership of a gun in my life. But I’ve never been stupid enough to walk around with my purse in plain sight, or a pair of earbuds stuck in my ears blocking out sounds, or with my eyes glued to a so-called smartphone.
On the other hand, I don’t live in fear and trembling.
February 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Joe-
Sadly, you DO deserve to be shit-piled on as what part of SHOT IN THE BACK did you miss? You are as fucked up as Nathan in Korea. Again, you, like Nathan think you can negotiate with crazy? Try it, sometime, why don’t you? I am sick to death of people like you who talking out their asses and have probably never handled a weapon nor been in a place of threat. Just shut the fuck up. Maybe you are sitting in your basement jacking off, at the anger you incite? Yeah, sounds about right for you.
February 4th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Joe, your derogatory comment was the first comment posted on the RIP Chris Kyle thread. THE FIRST ONE! You just could NOT WAIT to dance on his proverbial grave to push a political agenda. Do you GET THAT? Do you understand how sick and vile that is? This is not about presenting a dissenting point of view into the “echo chamber”, this about having basic human decency and letting this community of Service Members mourn for our lost Brother.
You know, you liberals have a really bad habit of disrespecting the dead and the mourning families by opening your mouths every time there’s a tragedy. You sat there on your computer, masturbating to the pictures of dead kids because of how good it makes you feel to be able to taunt people over it. In the days immediately after Sandy Hook the general consensus among sane Americans was to wait a little bit to politicize the tragedy for the gain of those on either side. Take notice that the NRA shut up for a week, they stayed silent out of respect for the families of those poor kids, which is more than can be said for you, Joe, or any other liberal who ejaculated all over the place with ecstasy at having another wonderful tragedy to exploit.
Are you even beginning to understand how wildly inappropriate it was for you to be the VERY FIRST ONE to comment on a RIP Memorial thread? No, I don’t think you are. Because, after all, other people just aren’t REAL people to you, are they? They are just lowly pawns for you to use to exploit for your gain, and it’s even better if they die tragically.
You are a sick, disgusting excuse of a person. Please remove yourself from this earth, quickly.
February 4th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Without me and a few others willing to shed your verbal abuse the way a duck’s back sheds water, this echo chamber would be so boring
Frankly, I’ll take boring over you anytime, Joey.
February 4th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
“Without me and a few others” — Joey-boy’s own words.
Finally, he admits that his only reason for posting here is to get attention, like any spoiled brat who has nothing useful to say, nothing to contribute and thinks only of himself.
Verbal abuse? That is something you brought on yourself, every time you’ve posted on this board, because you start the process to get attention. Otherwise, you’re just one of those buzzing sounds that people hear when a fly is trapped in a window and can’t get out.
It’s always about getting attention. It has never been about anything else.
February 4th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
No Ex-PH2, no, it’s not about attention, if that’s what you call it. I don’t visit here for attention, I stay out of it for the most part. It’s only the most outrageous posts that get my attention. I only stumbled across this site when it was linked from a “rabidly vicious bubbling up from the sulphurous depths of leftist fury” web site. Believe it or not, as an armchair geologist, it was the sand dunes and palm trees logo at the top that grabbed me, and I still to this day wonder where that picture was taken (North Arica? Saudi Arabia?) But when I started reading the actual posts, my jaw dropped. “Surely there aren’t actually people who believe this tripe”, I thought. Well, you guys have definitely corrected me on that point. But I felt then, as now, that your bizarro world echo chamber needed a little equal time. Believe me when I say there are much better ways to get attention.
February 4th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
But as to the picture, my bet is the Sahara.
February 4th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
it’s not about attention
(throws bullshit flag)
February 4th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Joe, I want to say one thing here, and then I’m going to stop, because I’m not sure I can have a coherent discussion about any of this today. What I will say here is this: You have no idea of the depths of pain, dismay, and rage you’re poking at with your verbal stick. What happened to Chris Kyle involves a combination of treachery and madness that no amount of debate or discussion can address. It would perhaps be best to let it go for awhile, and let things settle.
February 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Pinto–sadly, he won’t. He can’t. He has a bloody shirt to wave, and by God, wave it he will, sensibilities or decorum be damned.
February 4th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
You’re projecting again Sparky.
February 4th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
I have tried to be respectful to Kyle himself, but not to the situation that got us to this point. I noted that many are genuinely grieving. But where is the grief for the, what, 1500 people killed by guns since Sandy Hook? Tiptoeing around this particular incident, and the broader problem, is not doing anyone’s memory any favors. Again, how can so many be so knoted up about one death, and be impervous to 1500? How?
February 4th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Poetrooper:
Well said. Here’s hoping these peace loving, tolerant Liberals infesting the Comments section take off for HuffPo or The Daily Kos where they’re welcome to post their bile.
Joe… really. In a tribute thread you decide to post your agenda? Geebus. One would think you’d at least have the decency to leave once it was made known that your presence was not wanted. But I guess that just isn’t part of what you’re about now, is it?
There will come a day. Payback will be a motherfucker.
Carry on.
February 4th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
No, Joe – NHSparky’s being completely accurate. You did it after Sandy Hook, too, when you used the bodies of innocents murdered by a lunatic as political props.
And that’s actually not the worst. The truly despicable part of your conduct is the hypocrisy. That lunatic was only free to kill those children because liberals like you passed laws shielding him from involuntary commitment. You were waving a bloody shirt stained by blood that came from your liberal brethren’s hands – and using that to try and blame law-abiding citizens for the problem your ilk created.
How Stalin-esque.
February 4th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Joe,
What part of “tribute thread to a fallen comrade and one helluva warrior” do you not get? What part of “RIP Chris Kyle and God Speed” do you not get? This thread isn’t about the others who have died since Sandy Hook, it’s about Chris Kyle and ONLY Chris Kyle. For fuck’s sake, man, find some ability to comprehend the written word!
You remind me of “Islamic Rage Boy.” Always inserting himself into some situation, screaming. For what, only he knows.
Your presence here is not wanted. Your opinion here is not wanted. Your boilerplate rhetoric is not wanted. You… are not wanted.
Please go away.
February 4th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
Joe … I can say with 100 % confidence and certainty that our dearly departed Chief Petty Officer (SEAL) Chris Kyle, USN (Ret.) did save more than 1500 lives. So your last commentary does not hold any water with me. Further, the business he created in his post Navy career most certainly would have resulted in savings perhaps tens of thousands.
February 4th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Well here’s the way it usually goes: Wait to cool down before we talk about someting so controversial. A few weeks later: OK, things have calmed down, no problem here, business as usual. So what’s the problem again?
February 4th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
It’s difficult to read this site as a center-left independent voter because in one post there’ll be a good point made about how veterans are unfairly lumped into a ‘dangerous PTS(D)-types’ category based on a few people, and everyone agrees, and then see the same thing done to ‘the left’ – a group which, if you go by political indicators, is slightly over half the country – and everyone agrees that, yeah, those damn lefties sure are screwing things up.
Big groups with lots of people in them have their idiots, and seizing upon those fools instead of the masses is disruptive to getting a real picture of the situation. MOST vets aren’t ticking time-bombs because of PTS, and MOST liberals / lefties are saddened by the passing of Chris Kyle.
How do I know that? The same way you know most vets aren’t about to go shoot people. Because you know lots, and they’re good, decent people who don’t do that sort of thing. Same here.
February 4th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Joe … you are a Type 1, MOD 0, Class “A” Jackass of the Highest Order. The point is: Things won’t “cool down for CPO Kyle’s lovely wife and children. You don’t get it, do you?
February 4th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
@56 But nothing being proposed by anyone addresses those 40 a day you are talking about. Because no anti-gun law will fix 90% of those 40 a day Joe.
You know the statistics, in NYC last year about 90% of victims and perpetrators were black or hispanic. The difficult issues regarding lack of education, lack of opportunity, and limited economic horizon that makes murderous crime a viable option won’t be addressed through a meaningless assault weapon ban. Since there is nothing on the table regarding that issue why would you be surprised at a lack of debate on no issue? If the issue meant anything at all to the dems why didn’t Obama and the dems take it up in the first 4 years of his presidency? Where were you and the other hand wringers when there were more than 40 a day while Clinton was president? Some of us have been working to provide educational opportunities for minorities for 20 plus years, some of us have been providing opportunity to use athletics as a means to get minority youth off the streets and into programs where they can learn there is more to life than a gang and a life in and out of prison. But not the dems, they’ve been working on meaningless assault weapon bans and handouts. There is nothing more cruel to dashing hope and opportunity than making someone beholden to the scraps you are willing to dole out without offering a way out of despair.
Stop using weak rhetorical arguments and get your democratic reps to introduce some legislation designed to correct education and demand some accountability to coincide with free handouts that create generational, institutionalized poverty. I will continue to do the same for both parties and the reps in my area. Offer something besides a weak 4ss ban that fixes none of 90% of the daily murders. Perhaps then your arguments will bear some real merit.
February 4th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
NO Boy Joe, real life Vets like me and the others that frequent here DO NOT take it lightly when you desecrate the legacy of a Warrior like Chris Kyle. What you said was unforgivable to me and many others, and like I said in that thread, when your time comes, they just need to throw your remains into a septic tank, because that’s where SHIT like you belongs, COWARD!
February 4th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
OK, even I’m getting tired of this. Buh by.
February 4th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Wasn’t it Joey-boy who told us that he was in his 7th decade? And didn’t he say that he had a high draft number?
The draft lottery started in December 1969, which was 43 years ago, which means that if Joey-boy was actually in his 7th decade (his words), he’d have been in his mid-30s by then, and actually was likely to have been called up much sooner, long before the draft lottery ever started.
So he lies like a cheap rug, among his other talents. He only barges in to get attention, and lies about that, too. He contributes nothing to this discussion, other than the same ability a mosquito has to annoy people. And he sticks around because as long as he can keep pickin’ and pickin’ and pickin’, he knows he’ll get attention. He can’t even make a good argument about weapons in general.
Chicago has some of the tightest gun control laws in the country. It also has regular buy-back events. None of this stops the driveby shootings, the gang crossfires in which small children are shot on their own front lawns, the murdering bastards who belong to gangs and get the initiation into the gang by shooting someone like Hadiyah Pendleton simply because she can be picked out in a crowd.
Laws do not stop criminals from committing crimes. Gun control laws will not prevent criminals from getting their hands on guns.
This simple concept is plain to everyone here except Joey the Balloon Bubbleboy.
I repeat what I said previously: don’t ever serve on a jury. Someone with your poor judgment should only sit in the audience.
February 4th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
The very fact that Joe would make any commentary here on this topic shows the inferior position of everything he/she/it holds dear. Lucidity is beyond him and his ilk, so they simply cause as much damage and pain to as many as possible, in every way they can fathom, then excuse their insensitivity with any of a long list of silliness – but you can bet that whatever they come up with, it is not their fault.
Joe – once again proving the theory that liberalism is a mental disease. They are never content to just live their lives. They must destroy any who will not convert to their lunacy.
Hurray for you, Joe. You have been a good little useful idiot today. Well done!
February 4th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Actually, Ex-PH2, I think your math is slightly off there.
One’s 1st decade of life is from birth to the day before one’s 10th birthday – or ages 0-9. One’s second decade, is 10-19; one’s third decade is one’s 20s (20-29); and so on.
One’s 7th decade is thus one’s 60s – ages 60-69. If Joey the Draft Dodging Rockclimber were born in, say, 1950, he’d today be either 62 or 63, depending on his precise date of birth. That would have made him either 18 or 19 when the draft lottery started in Dec 1969 (probably 19).
Otherwise, your analysis above is IMO spot-on. And yes – IMO Joe lies like a rug at times. But I don’t think he’s lying about being in his 7th decade.
February 4th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Sheesh detective PH-2,
Don’t know why I need to give my bona fides to you, but oh well, here goes. I was 19 when the first lottery numbers were actually drawn in very early 1970 if memory serves (or maybe it was late ’69). I remember itwell – all the male freshmen were glued to the TV that evening, since the college deferment had just been abolished. The DOD said they were gonna draft up to about number 150, and as it turned out, my number was….150. So I spent the next year in suspense. They never did get that high. Even today, I do not know what I would have done had I been called up. I had a number of options, several of which you guys would not have approved of. My suspiscions at the time, despite having been raised on a steady diet of WWII movies, and despite being politically naive to say the least, was that Ho Chi Minh was no Adolph Hitler, and that despite the assertions, the war in Viet Nam did not warrant the same urgency as WWII. To me, the Domino Theory was just that, a theory. Of course revelations since then by McNamara and others demonstrate it was a much bigger cluster than anyone knew at the time, something I am proud to have fought against. So you see sweetheart, I’m am well into my 7th decade (i.e., my 60′s since you don’t seem to be too good at math).
You should leave the detective work to Jonn.
February 4th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
“The DOD said they were gonna draft up to about number 150, and as it turned out, my number was….150. So I spent the next year in suspense.” –Sounds stressful…
February 4th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
If you say so…..
February 4th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
@70 – And I don’t care what your philosophy was, then or now. You are lazy, self-involved, overly smug, and exhibit no interest in anyone but yourself.
“It’s only the most outrageous posts that get my attention.” Your words, and yet YOU, you Planaria barroisi, made the first post on the column regarding Chris Kyle, who was murdered by someone he trusted.
YOU did that. You jumped right in and started with an outrageous post of your own, so how can you possibly expect me or any other reasoning human being to believe anything other than YOU did it to get attention.
Like a jackal, you fastened on the corpse before it had even cooled. Was that for thrift? The funeral meats not yet cold? Was it to let us all know just how reprehensible you can be, by going in first just to stick your vile oar into the water?
Well, we already know — you’ve done a bang-up job of letting us know. Complete to a shade.
You are so stupid you don’t even know you’re alive.
February 4th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Whooohoo! At least I’m not a liar anymore PH.
February 4th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
If you ever want to know what a Progressive truly thinks of non-caucasians, Christians, Jews, women, GLBT+, military veterans (and active service members), and blue collar workers – just post a story about a Conservative person who is any of those things.
There is no hatred like the hatred of a Leftist toward a non-white who’s slipped the bond of slavery.
February 4th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
73- Shut up you vapid cunt.
February 4th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
I apologize Joe, this is just for you, re post #71: /SARC.
February 4th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
@74, where did you get the mistaken idea that you aren’t a liar any more?
@76, it’s a pity you can’t see which finger I’m holding up.
February 4th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
“Whooohoo! At least I’m not a liar anymore PH”. Says Joey, the Rock-climbing here. Thanks for admitting what we all knew, Joey boy. You were a liar, and you’re still a liar.
February 4th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
@76, Joe-Boy = “Gamblor”, that was a fine example of sock puppeting, you lose again.
February 4th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
And, Joey, the Rock-climbing hero posted this idiocy in #43, “knowing that, perhaps the criminals will start to shoot first and ask questions later”. Hey fuckwad, they shoot first now. Good grief, you’re so stupid they have to keep you inside during rainstorms, you’d drown if they left you outside.
February 4th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
@78 – well, you called me lazy, self-involved, smug, a jackal, and stupid, all in one post no less, but no mention of lying. I thought I was off the hook. By the way, your free floating hostility makes you a terrific addition to this site.
By the way, when something truly awful happens, what is the requisite period of respect to observe before making observations on said awful event? Seriously. As a practical matter, I want to make sure I get my timing right after the next mass killing or high profile murder. When am I allowed to talk about it?
February 4th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
@ 80 – Huh? Excuse my naivete, I don’t even know what sock puppeting is.
February 4th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
You posted from the same computer under a different screen name, you used “Gamblor” instead of “Joe”, that’s known as ” sock puppeting”.
You lose.
February 4th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
@ 84 – I don’t know what your snooping software is telling you, but #76 ain’t me. Not that I don’t agree with him, I just don’t tend to phrase things that way.
February 4th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Aw, people, guess what!!! Joey doesn’t like being told what for. Pity poo. So willing to say nasty things about other people, but doesn’t like having it handed back to him. No respect for anyone, but expects to get it from everyone. Doesn’t work that way.
Doesn’t know what sock puppeting is? As much as he’s been posting here? Like anyone really believes that.
Absolutely no hostility toward you. You are not worth the effort.
I just don’t like you.
February 4th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Now that you explain it to me, I can understand the concept of sock puppeting, but not sure why someone would do it.
February 4th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Well, Joe, there really is no time limit on treating people with respect.
February 4th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
So seriously OWB, if one were to to discuss Chris Kyle in relation to the topic of gun control, a topic he spoke publicly about when he was alive, how long should one wait? I am serious. How long.
February 4th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
@82, You should probably wait until at least the body is cold.
February 4th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
We already know that you are too delusional to grasp simple concepts, but this is as plain as I can make it:
“Well, Joe, there really is no time limit on treating people with respect.”
February 4th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
So I’ll be more specific OWB – if one wanted to RESPECTFULLY discuss Chris Kyle in relation to gun control, a topic he spoke on publicly after all, in minutes/hours/days/weeks/months, what is the appropriate waiting time.
February 4th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
>So seriously OWB, if one were to to discuss Chris Kyle in relation to the topic of gun control, a topic he spoke publicly about when he was alive, how long should one wait? I am serious. How long.
How about you don’t discuss a death in relation to a political agenda at all. Novel concept I know, but when people are grieving; there is no “bigger picture” Joe. And anyone with a half of a brain and a quarter of a heart would know that. Just a hint- you possess neither.
February 4th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
There is always a bigger picture melle. Politics and human events are about people. Don’t tell me what I can’t discuss. Feel free to tell me what you are afraid to discuss.
February 4th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
>There is always a bigger picture melle. Politics and human events are about people
Then take it to a Democratic political fundraiser. A military blog that is grieving for a fallen comrade is not the place.
>>Don’t tell me what I can’t discuss. Feel free to tell me what you are afraid to discuss.>>
I didn’t tell you anything ignoramous. I gave you some friendly advice; something that most decent people learn growing up.
February 4th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
@ Joe the Bizarro…Joe you are one strange dude..you’ve come here and ran your mouth and all you’ve done is make people hate you more.
Your a typical Liberal , you talk about things you have NOT A CLUE ABOUT, and expect the world to follow your lead.
Well Joey here’s some news for ya ….we don’t give a shit what you think, your an irrelevant piece of dogshit…sooner or later you ‘ll dry up and blow away
This is a MILITARY BLOG ASSHOLE, you and your kind are’nt valued here, especially you being a Liberal/Socialist turd.
When you’ve “toted the ruck’ and actually have a clue about what your talking about, then maybe, just maybe , people will lsiten to ya, and respect your opinion.
Till then be a good little turd and keep your mouth shut.
Educate yourself…your doing nothing here but making an assdouche of yourself.
February 5th, 2013 at 8:39 am
While I will not defend the idiotic s*** Joe says, I will defend his right to say it, and note that the Ron White quote does apply. I will condemn his disrespect of the dead, just as I do that of the Westboro Lawyer Gang’s, for it is the same nature in which both do what they do.
Joe says the offensive things he does here, because this is where he gets attention, unlike in the mass of sites like-minded to “his” point of view.
His ilk have either fallen for, or actively practice the art of Goebbels, i.e. that if a lie is told often enough, it will be believed, no matter how outlandish. His ability to “doublethink” has reached professional level capacity that “Big Brother” himself would find admirable.
Just as, in Orwell’s novel, a party man could say and believe the opposite at the end of a speech, than he did at the beginning of a speech, Joe’s ilk will parrot the party, even when it contradicts the earlier dictates.
What is dangerous is not that there are those with the (lack of) morals of (Uncle) joe, but that their tactics are effective at silencing many dissenters, thereby allowing their less offensive allies convince so many that pay less attention.
The Post-American Century is arriving upon us, not because Americanism has failed, but because the citizenry has given up the rights of citizenship, i.e. as sovereigns to the government, for the lure of the free stuff and “protections” a sovereign of govt doles out to its subjects. And as the American values of God-Given Rights subsides, so too does the economic results of prosperity wain.
February 5th, 2013 at 10:17 am
I thought long and hard about it last evening. To me Chris Kyle was a very public figure, someone who sought publicity. To some of you he was a friend. I sincerely apologize for jumping the gun. I still think his situation merits discussion, but I do apologize for jumping on the “story” without really thinking about your feeling for him. I do apologize.
February 5th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Only a smiling visitant here to share the love (:, btw outstanding layout. “Justice is always violent to the party offending, for every man is innocent in his own eyes.” by Daniel Defoe.
February 5th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Some really good blog posts on this site, thanks for contribution. “For today and its blessings, I owe the world an attitude of gratitude.” by Clarence E. Hodges.
February 5th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
I think Joe is looking to mass convert us to liberalism and the abandonment of our oaths to defend the US Constitution, by saying horrible things of one of our own, Chris Kyle.
Sorry Joe, you need to try something like, “I’m sorry for my remarks, and any grief I caused the family and friends of Chris Kyle”.
Then stay quiet for awhile and take a hint from moveon.org and “move on”.