Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the “Ruthers”

| February 5, 2013 | 78 Comments

That is to say the Ron Paul Truthers.  The ones who suspect that the Twitter page of one “Ron Paul” is not done by “Ron Paul.”

Ron Paul Twitter Account

Is it Ron actually running this? Because this last tweet is pretty offensive…

That is really odd.

The ‘lives by the sword dies by the sword’ seems very un-Ron-ish, under the circumstances, but the frustration at taking a guy with PTSD to a firing range could be a doctor thing.

I’m thinking not.

He seems to have some people who insert leftist cultural stuff into his things (read the immigration chapter in Liberty Defined, and I am not talking about the policy position, but they ‘they have a better work standard’ gratuitous slap in the face stuff’) I don’t like leftist red meat any more than rightist red meat, and Ron doesn’t typically use ANY. So, I don’t know.

I think it’s someone Ron trusts (and therefore doesn’t keep an eye on) trying to discredit Ron and make Rand the face of the “liberty movement”.

Go and enjoy the meltdown at the Ron Paul Forums.

If you decide you want to get thoroughly pissed off instead, after the jump I give you stuff to be pissed about from other Paulians regarding Chris Kyle.

I warn you in the absolute strongest terms that what you will read after the jump will incense you beyond belief. I mean that people. If you are in a fragile place, do not read the rest.

“Pro Libertate” says:

If Kyle had been a warrior, rather than a bully, he would have admired the authentic courage displayed by the smaller, unarmed man who fought to protect the ship and cargo entrusted to him.

How would he act if the roles were reversed – if he were the over-matched man trying to defend private property from a group of state-licensed pirates claiming “authority” from a UN mandate? We’ll never know the answer to that question, because Kyle’s “courage” is of the sort that only manifests itself in the service of power, and in the company of those enjoying a prohibitive advantage over their victims.

Not vile enough for you? Then I give you Kent’s “Hooligan Libertarian” Blog :

A murderous parasitic puppet of The State, who enjoyed murdering people and profited from his offenses, has paid the piper. Unfortunately, others were also also destroyed simply by associating with him too closely. That is the tragedy. The lesson is to shun murderers.

And I notice his death shines a light on the “liberty” movement that exposes a huge rift.

Those who love liberty, yet find it comforting to worship liberty’s greatest enemy- the government’s military- are upset that those who don’t maintain that particular inconsistency are not mourning the death of Kyle.

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  1. AW1 Tim says:

    I ain’t reading any of it. I’ve had enough to make my blood boil just here where I live. Those same insufferable leftist douche bags are everywhere, and all pimping the same BS talking points.

    I hope that every single one of them catches some form of terminal crotch infection.

  2. Twist says:

    My blood pressure can’t take going to any of those links. Thank you for the warning.

  3. Ninja R says:

    Hey, didn’t they already try this with Paul’s racist, nonsense newsletters?

  4. Jaye19K says:

    Had a friend of mine tweet the most notorious American serial killers and their victim counts. He then posted Kyle – 160. I set his ass straight with the differences between psychos killing unarmed women and enemy combatants.

  5. Hondo says:

    God loves fools – he made so many of them. Just look at the Paultards.

    Some of them even claim to study orcas for their “PHd”. (smile)

  6. Flagwaver says:

    I wonder if these people would be saying such things were the actually in front of Kyle’s team? Probably not. An American hero is dead and all they can do is mimic the Westboro Baptist Church.

    I was thankfully for the guardian angels when I was over there. I’ve had several friends who were saved because some team on their radio net employed long-range target neutralization.

    In other words, all those morons who believe that Kyle was anything but a hero can go fuck themselves with a cactus.

  7. FatCircles0311 says:

    These people are cult like. Oh well, I guess you have to be some form of retardo to champion the legalization of drugs and isolationist fortress America defense policy.

    If I didn’t know any better I could have sworn that garbage was written by leftists but then again the similarities between libertarians and leftists are many.

  8. Just Plain Jason says:

    Every single time I talk to someone from the Paul camp I just think, “Danger Will Robinson! Danger!”

  9. Just Plain Jason says:

    Oh you have to flail your arms around wildly…

  10. streetsweeper says:

    I’m checking a favorite Paul hang out. No difference between where I am reading and whats been posted above. Lew Rockwell blog has a copy of Paul’s tweet posted. This batch of Paul critters are the ones that engineer his so-called national campaign.

  11. Eagle Keeper says:

    #7 “These people are cult like.”

    No irony intended, I’m sure.

    (Given the nationalist attitudes on constant display here, I mean …)

  12. Eagle Keeper says:

    So how about somebody answer Grigg’s question:

    How would Kyle act had the roles been reversed – if Kyle were the over-matched man trying to defend private property from a group of state-licensed pirates claiming “authority” from a UN mandate?

    Don’t be all … pissy. Step up and engage.

  13. FatCircles0311 says:

    Suddenly a Paul Bot appears.

    *popcorn*

  14. TSO says:

    Ah yes, linking to an anti-semite, well done sir, good show!

  15. Eagle Keeper says:

    IOW, why are Iraqis who resist US invaders “evil … cowards … twisted,” in Kyle’s eyes, rather than genuine patriot guerrillas who love their country, such as it is?

  16. Eagle Keeper says:

    TSO: “Anti-semite”?

    Prove it.

  17. TSO says:

    I am not, heaven forbid, a “Holocaust denier.” I lack the scholarly competence to be one. … Why on earth is it ‘anti-Jewish’ to conclude from the evidence that the standard numbers of Jews murdered are inaccurate, or that the Hitler regime, bad as it was in many ways, was not, in fact, intent on racial extermination? Surely these are controversial conclusions; but if so, let the controversy rage. – Sobran

  18. Eagle Keeper says:

    “The word anti-Semitic functions like the word anti-Soviet. Being undefined, it’s unfalsifiable. Loose charges of ‘anti-Semitism’ are common, but nobody suffers any penalty for making them, since what is unfalsifiable can never be shown to be false.” ~ Joseph Sobran, “For Fear of the Jews

  19. Eagle Keeper says:

    TSO: Yup. he said it.

    DOESN’T make him an anti-semite.

  20. Eagle Keeper says:

    How fortuitous that you would cite the very same article I did. Have you actually READ it? (Seeing your quote in context and all that?)

  21. TSO says:

    Yeah, I’m just going to let you defend him yourself, since you are doing such a fine job at making my point.

    This is why the Paulians can’t have anything nice.

  22. Eagle Keeper says:

    FatCircles: Paul bot, Paul tard, whatever. If you would step down off the name-calling high-horse and actually engage in discussion … but then, that’s sooo much harder than name-calling, ain’t it?

  23. Eagle Keeper says:

    TSO: “Yada yada yada … ”

    And you STILL haven’t shown Sobran to be an anti-semite.

  24. TSO says:

    You are doing a fine job of showing that on your own bro, you don’t need my help.

    But please, go on to quote West meets East which I love:

    The 9/11 attacks would never have occurred except for the
    U.S. Government’s Middle East policies, which are pretty
    much dictated by the Jewish-Zionist powers that be in the
    United States.

    It’s all the JJJOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSS fault.

  25. Just Plain Jason says:

    It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

    I couldn’t read it, it was filled with too much stupid. I tried, but once I got through about the the first 25-30% of it I realized that I was losing too much intelligence and becoming more stupider. Lattes…I like Lattes…

  26. Twist says:

    “why are Iraqis who resist US invaders “evil … cowards … twisted,” in Kyle’s eyes, rather than genuine patriot guerrillas who love their country”

    I’m pretty sure blowing up markets full of women and children make them “evil..cowards…twisted”. Oh, lets not forget the death squads that where killing each other because the believed in different versions of Islam.

  27. AW1 Tim says:

    TAH Reader: Why are Paulbots so cult like?

    Paulbot: “READ A BOOK!!!!!!” “ELEVENTY!!!11!!11!!”

    I have decided that the RonPaul cult is like a Baby Ruth bar… full of nuts and looks like a piece of shit. Thus, the ‘ruthers moniker is pretty apt.

  28. rb325th says:

    “why are Iraqis who resist US invaders “evil … cowards … twisted,” in Kyle’s eyes, rather than genuine patriot guerrillas who love their country”

    maybe because many of them were not Iraqi at all, but Syrian, Iranian, Pakistani, etc… why do Paulbots always see mto forget that a large part of the insurgency in Iraq was from forces from outside of Iraq.

    It is actually good to flush these fools out into the light occasionally…. enlightening.

  29. Reaperman says:

    Yeah, I probably should have heeded that ‘after the jump’ warning.

  30. Just Plain Jason says:

    It is one thing to read a book, but another thing to actually understand and process what is contained in the book. I hate when people just blindly say “read a book” hell regurgitation shows no sign of intelligence, processing of information is what shows signs of intelligence. Hell one can read the Allegory of the Cave a million times, but if they don’t process it, it just a story about guys chained up looking at shadows on a wall.

  31. Eagle Keeper says:

    #28 RB: “many of them were not Iraqi at all, but Syrian, Iranian, Pakistani, etc… a large part of the insurgency in Iraq was from forces from outside of Iraq.”

    And if Canada (or maybe even Mexico) was invaded by a nation that you thought had no justification for being there, and whose presence might sooner or later be bad for America, you don’t think you’d at least consider trotting on up (down) there to join the insurgency?

    We had no business in Iraq. Her neighbors — cut-thorats that many of them are — went there to drive us out. Don’t act all surprised.

  32. Susan says:

    Eagle Keeper –

    A friend went to Med School with Dr. Paul. They were actually friends. However, he went on to be psychiatrist and is a retired Col. with the USA. I will let you guess his diagnosis of Paul now (hint, it includes words like delusion and ideation). We live in a global society – wishing and pretending otherwise is delusional. That seems to include you.

    Further, I know I speak for many here who have determined that debating with someone who could believe/quote the filth spewed by anyone who writes anything entitled For Fear of the Jews and starts off stating that something “was mentioned in the Jewish newspaper Forward and on the Zionist Wall Street Journal Online” is not worth the energy. So, you want to associate yourself with that type of craptasticness, assume all you will get here is either ignored or mocked for the fool you are.

  33. Hondo says:

    Actually, Eagle Keeper – it was in the US strategic interest to take out Hussein. We should have done that during the Gulf War. IMO, we stopped there a day or two too soon. We left just enough of his loyal forces intact to allow him to survive the postwar period and retain power vice being hanged by his own countrymen in mid-1991.

    Saddam Hussein had long-term designs on hegemony in the Persian Gulf region. He saw himself as a modern-day Saladin, and actively worked towards that end.

    Any nation having hegemony over the Persian Gulf area is NOT in the US strategic interest. While we would weather the potential loss of oil from the Middle East, two of our vital trading partners and general allies – e.g., NE Asia (Japan/Korea) and Western Europe – would not. The result would likely be an economic depression like that of the 1930s. Allowing a megalomaniac with no morals and a propensity for murder, including using WMD on his own people, to acquire the ability to kill the world’s economy would have been stupid in the extreme.

    Hussein’s efforts towards acquiring WMD, his instigation of the Iran-Iraq War, and the invasion of Kuwait were all steps towards this aim. Unfortunately for him, he miscalculated in 1990 when he stopped at the Saudi border. God knows how things would have turned out had he gone ahead and occupied Saudi Arabia also.

    WMD research and covert efforts towards same continued after the Gulf War, even if production may not have (and it well may have; at this point, it’s an open question if Iraq’s WMDs ended up in Syria in early 2003). This clearly shows that Hussein still had a long-term goal of regional domination. He didn’t need WMDs for self-defense.

    Bottom line: Hussein was still a threat to US interests in 2003. One can argue the timing, but barring Hussein’s death or a “road to Damascus” change on his part, a second US-Iraq war was pretty much inevitable.

    And as far as that “helped by his neighbors” claim of yours: bull. With the possible exception of Syria, all of Hussein’s neighbors were damn glad to see him go in 2003 – even the Iranians. Everybody but the Iranians were relieved to see him gone, as he’d threatened most of them at one time or another. And the Iranians saw it as a golden opportunity to gain influence in eastern and southern Iraq.

  34. Make Mine Moxie says:

    Thankfully, this latest iteration of Ron Paul’s dumbassery coming to light has woken up a few of my acquaintances in the AF who supported Paul in the last election. The communication technology we are blessed with is terrific, if only for instances like this, that expose idiots as the idiots they are.

  35. NHSparky says:

    Moxie–it’s certainly distilling the Paul supporters into a concentrated solution of teh crazee…

  36. Eagle Keeper says:

    Susan: “…debating with someone who could believe/quote the filth spewed by anyone who writes anything entitled For Fear of the Jews…”

    Wow, now THAT’S sum deep thinking, rat therr.

    That title is a line from the Bible:

    “And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.” – John 19:38

    I guess St. John was an anti-semite, too?

    Actually, it’s been MY observation “many here have determined” that they simply prefer to be an echo chamber for their own opinions. Anyone comes along and challenges that, out comes the name-calling. “Paultard!” “Anti-semite!!”

    Yeah, whatEVER …

  37. streetsweeper says:

    And unless I am mistaken, Mr. Moxie might be the proprietor of a news outlet. One that is associated with spreading everything Paul news. However, on the off chance that I am mistaken, please accept my sincere apology.

  38. Hondo says:

    Eagle Keeper: geez, is English your second language? Or are you just incredibly dense?

    First: the phrase “but secretly for fear of the Jews” in the Biblical passage you quote is not the title of anything. Therefore, your attempt to rebut Susan’s argument is logically invalid due to the fact that it’s based on a completely invalid comparison. Forget comparing apples to oranges – that’s like equating a person to a mountain just because both happen to share the same first letter in their name!

    Second: the phrase “but secretly for fear of the Jews” in said passage is indicating that Joseph of Arimathaea went to Pilate in secret because he was afraid of possible repercussions from the Pharisees if he did so openly. Are you really so dull that you couldn’t figure that out?

    Sheesh. Your last comment above is up there in the ObamaGirl idiocy range. Maybe reading all that Lew Rockwell crap really has rotted your brain.

  39. streetsweeper says:

    Well Eagle Keeper, you certainly are trying to stir the shit up. Slip on back to your Paul forum and let your buddies know how much fun your not having here. I’ll head that way and be keeping an eye out for your signatory responses. *cackle*

  40. PintoNag says:

    Here’s one for you, Eagle Keeper. A tree is known by it’s fruit.

    ‘”A murderous parasitic puppet of the State, who enjoyed murdering people…”‘

    Anything or anyone who produces that sort of poison, I will avoid like the plague, forever.

  41. 68W58 says:

    This went back and forth on Reason’s blog yesterday. There is an unfortunate strain in libertarianism that considers itself above the calculations and considerations that governments have to make to function in the world. At the extreme this manifests itself as anarcho-capitalism. When the obvious flaws with this worldview are pointed out the proponents simply dismiss them-there’s no arguing with the ideologically deluded.

  42. Ex-PH2 says:

    It’s a bit difficult to unscramble the incoherent ramblings from one of these posters. Eaglekeeper, is it? Is that all in some kind of code? Do I need a secret decoder ring for it?
    Never mind.

  43. Indiana Ed says:

    Lesson for the day. When TSO says “I warn you in the absolute strongest terms that what you will read after the jump will incense you beyond belief. I mean that people. If you are in a fragile place, do not read the rest.” please take him at his word. I’m NOT in a fragile place, and “incensed” is the least of what I’m feeling after reading this.

    Lesson learned

  44. Eagle Keeper says:

    So anyways, what news stories (whether from the mainstream/lamestream media or otherwise) would you guys recommend/consider reliable re. the circumstances surrounding Kyle’s murder?

  45. Guy says:

    another wedge in what might have been an alliance.

  46. SteveS says:

    @43: Roger that. I just read “Hooligan Kent” and that assmunch is beyond pathetic. Man alive… just to get my blood flowing I read some of the comments. Hard to believe there are tools out there who actually believe that drivel.
    I’m glad I’m not that jaded, cynical, whacked out and anti. I’m only partially there.

  47. streetsweeper says:

    Lets start and end here since the investigation into Chris’s murder is hardly complete or the results released, Eagle squawker er keeper.
    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/04/Rand-Paul-responds-Ron-Paul

  48. Ex-PH2 says:

    TSO, just glad I did not read any of the stuff.

    Ron Paul has been deteriorating into peculiar behavior for quite some time. If he keeps attracting people who seem to need to be under adult supervision, I’d prefer to stay away from any of them.

    This site is rated “extreme”??? Compared to what? Mayonnaise? Aside from angry, angst-ridden sorts like og and joe, and the occasional hotdogger who drops in, drops a load and leaves, I don’t see it.

  49. Anonymous says:

    38.Beautifully stated Hondo.

  50. Hondo says:

    It’s pretty bad when someone is such an idiot that his own son starts disowning his public statements.

    Just do everyone a favor and be silent, Ron Paul. Your 15 minutes of fame are over.

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