Dorner in shootout with cops
The LA Times is reporting that the police are telling them that they’re locked in a gun battle with Dorner at Big Bear Lake;
The six-day manhunt for accused killer Christopher Dorner took a dramatic turn Tuesday when the suspect got into a shootout with authorities, according to law enforcement sources.
Details were sketchy. But the sources said that Dorner burglarized a home in the Big Bear area, tied up a couple and stole their car.
During the gun battle, two police officers were wounded. Their conditions are unknown. A state fish and game official was shot at, sources said.
It was published a few minutes ago so…
An earlier article at LA Times said he’d burglarized and terrorized residents of Big Bear;
The shooting occurred after Dorner burglarized a home, tied up a couple and stole their car, the source said.
It was not immediately clear whether Dorner was in custody.
A second source said there was an active crime scene but did not have details.
Law enforcement officials were swarming the area.
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February 12th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
Has anyone checked on the whereabouts of LL Cool J?
February 12th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Hopefully he’s laying low until this is over with.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Fixed the link.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
hope this cokesucker dies in a fire. extra crispy.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Great, that means everyone BUT Dorner’s gonna get shot…
February 12th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Hopefully he will be dead by nightfall.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
@1: It’s a photoshop but I still laughed: http://i.imgur.com/dBSSF1N.jpg
February 12th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Jonn,
Great job on HP.
OK back to action.
I was trained as a LEO … body armor and cover drill … 2 to the chest and 1 to the head.
I wish all LEO’s on site the best of luck and I pray their training and muscle memory works at 100 % today!
Go direct to deadly force!
February 12th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
I feel great sympathy for any resident of the Big Bear Lake area. And I would be packing up to move if I were there.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
How do we even know it’s Dorner they’re shooting at???
Waiting for more info…starting with seeing who staggers out of the bullet-riddled not-sure-what-color truck…
February 12th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
@ Redacted1775 and everyone else. I don’t care what you think of me but please be respectful. Two Deputies have been shot. This is not a game
February 12th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
@10, I know, right?
Tomorrow we’ll see a headline that says 4 hikers killed during police shootout.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
I already know the responses are going to come about what the LAPD did to the papergirls–This is not them. Individual soldiers have raped and murdered innocent Iraqi civilians but that is not emblematic of all of the US military. Just as those LAPD officers are not emblematic of all LEOs. I am just saying this is not the time. There will be more bloodshed before this is over and I pray no other officers are hurt. It is just as disrespectful as when someone speaks about Chris Kyle and in the next breath someone talks about Robert Bales.
P.S. The Riverside Officer who was murdered was a Marine Vet
February 12th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
@13 Whoa, John, whoa. Deep breath there, guy. Don’t let you’re feelings get ahead of your brain. Rape and murder is a crime, just like Dorner’s murder of the police officers. What the officers did to the two paper-deliverers is in a class by itself, and has to do with incompetence and fear. Two entirely different scenarios.
A lot of the folks who post on this site are cops, and we have family members who are cops. Nobody here wants to see police officers killed.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
FAA ordering news helicopters out of the area.
Medevac helicopter taking out two injured officers.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
Oh John don’t get me wrong, I hope Dorner gets taken deep, either by his own hand or theirs, but, damn, they are in serious need of threat assessment training, possibly a refresher on the force continuum for good measure.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Im not getting ahead of myself Im asking for respect. Like you said, two different things. The officers who have been wounded are my friends. Its quite disconcerting to hear all of the anti-Law enforcement comments by people on this board. If you want to discuss the actions of other officers that’s fine but I don’t think its the first thing that should come to mind when you hear that officers have been shot.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
@ Redacted1775, please understand that I am not trying to disrespect you. I am anxiously listening to my radio and your comment hit me the wrong way. As far as I know, the particular department with wounded deputies who have Dorner surrounded have not shot any civilians or displayed any improper tactics
February 12th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
Fox says that they found Dorner’s wallet and badge at the Mexican border.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
My apologies to you, John. Prayers out for you and your friends.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Oh none taken John, none at all. I apologize for my comment.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Thank you gentlemen, I appreciate it
February 12th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
The local police force finally realized (duh) that they were not practicing comsec and pulled the feed to the Internet radio scanner feeds. In just the few minutes of listening, I gleaned the location of two heliports and 20 SWAT team members; that the police had a former owner of the cabin on the phone and were getting a floor p,an; and a whole bunch more stuff. These cowboys need to learn a bit of radio discipline…
February 12th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Helicopters not heliports, although they named the airport too…
February 12th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
TeamDorner is rooting for Dorner to kill more cops.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
John11b: please accept our general regards for your friends and their families. But, you also need to understand that this community includes a bunch of combat vets and cops who are accustomed to generous amounts of gallows humor. Often that humor is far from pretty, but not intended to inflict pain on anyone.
That said, the LAPD chief was just on a presser where he said that his dept would assist the SO if and when they are asked to do so. My immediate thought was that San Bernadino should decline any help from LAPD which involved firearms.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
@25 Well, that’s one group of idiots who shouldn’t bother to call the cops to report a crime. Morons.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Are ya’ll sure this just ain’t Yogi gone wild? Anyone seen Booboo? I’m sure it will come out soon that police saw a black bear entering a house and mistook it for Dorner.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
That’s a cabin?
February 12th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Herbert–it’s the CA version of a cabin. Some of them up there are more to the traditional idea of a cabin, some of them are just weekend ski bunny mansions for the uber rich of LA.
Big Bear has all kinds.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Well,damn!! I thought for sure Dorner’s body would’ve been found quick frozen in a snow bank with a bullet to his head in a week or too. Guess there’s a reason I was never an S2.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
RIP Deputy, he was a father and a good man
February 12th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Yes, last I’m hearing (5PM UT) is that the LAPD are in a shootout with someone they suspect as Dorner. Wildlife service found him first, he got into a shootout with them, then he retreated to a cabin. Two officers wounded at last report.
Some reporter on the scene was talking about being with in 200 feet (feet??!! really!!?? yipes!!) of the on-going shooting.
Not that I wish anyone harm, or worse, death. But I was wishing that Dorner would have stayed out of sight for another week or two, just to see the LAPD go thru more Keystone Kops komedy routines.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Another officer was killed in the shootout today says LA Times.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
@33. Woodman, the agency involved is the San Bernadino County Sheriff’s Department, not the LAPD, and one of their deputies was killed, the other is in critical condition.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RIP to the fallen SB deputy. hopefully LAPD is kept away and another SB deputy can get a good shot. aim between the belly button and the ball sac, then dump a mag. stay safe.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
One of the wounded deputies has died. RIP.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
I really want to see this guy taken alive, but I doubt that will happen. I think he’s dead set on going out like Clyde Barrow, in a hail of bullets.
My sympathies to the family of the SB deputy.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
No sarcasm intended here; based on the demonstrated skill level, the deputy was probably a victim of FF.
In other, news, Shepard Smith just announced that Dorner was UDT trained by the Navy. These guys just seem to make shit up on the fly.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
@28
Are ya’ll sure this just ain’t Yogi gone wild? Anyone seen Booboo?
2nd Amendment and the right to arm bears?
I hope this is Dorner, and the situation gets resolved.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
It seems the cabin he has been hiding in is on fire. No word on what happened to him.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
I added a live video player in the post.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
CNN reporting that the fire was caused by a device fired into the cabin during an assault.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Sheriff said that the second deputy is in surgery, expected to make a full recovery. Thank G-d for that.
To the young mother who is now a widow (the deputy is said to be a new father, apparently within the past few days): your grief is shared by many.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
The dep (cpl) who was killed had a new baby and a step daughter.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Guess this guy still wanted more bloodshed to the end. Even when his cabin is now on fire. I didnt realize that LAPD Chief reopened investigation in regards to Dorners allegations to racism. At least he says its not to appease a murderer.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Based on the fire, everyone is saying that it may be some time before they are able to determine if there was anyone in the cabin or identify any remains
February 12th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
#47 – Yep there wont be confirmation for hours on end I bet.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
John11B, Just heartbreakingly sad.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
John11B – My thoughts and prayers are with those assigned with the San Bernardino County SO.
I heard the LEO that passed away was a game warden, and not a SBCSO deputy. Info is sketchy.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Now there are reports of tracks in the snow leading away from the cabin that burned. Whose would those be? When did it snow last in that area?
Hmmm. Hope that one turns out to be completely false.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
TSO. That PAO you talked to today has ALL info on Dorner! Dorner deployed with subordinate of NECC.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Dorner was not UDT trained!
Dorner was a flunkie at every command he was stationed at!
February 12th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
52 and 53 me!
February 12th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
It’s being reported that the SBC deputy killed was a brand new father. The murderous piece of garbage who killed him just had to ruin more lives before he met his fiery end. I hope he’s burning hotter in hell as we speak.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
USMCE8Ret,He was San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Deputy. He was one of my instructors in the Academy and a family friend The wounded Deputy was also SBSD and went to the Academy with me.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
No doubt burning in hell!
February 12th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Dorner is alive and medium well. May all his “supporters” soon join him in hell.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
John11b,
My deepest sorrow and condolences to all of your friend’s loved ones. I was a Deputy in northern GA for several years, and still thankful every day that I didn’t lose any friends like this. I wish them all the best in such an awful time.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Well spoken John11b. Prayers for the deputies and their families at SBSO as well as the officers and their families of RPD.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
Latest word is Dorner is dead, but no body has been found yet.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
Thank you all for your support and comments. Sadly the Riverside officer who was killed went to high school with my brother so this entire tragedy is very close to me. Thanks again.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Latest reports say a body was found in the burned-out cabin, but no ID on it yet.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
John11b: It really doesn’t even need to be said among those of a kindred spirit, but today I need to express it – many of us here have lost collegues in the line of duty. We really do feel your pain, and reflect upon our own losses when something like this happens.
For myself – this week has brought back the memories of entirely too many lost. Each one was needless and I am proud to have known every one of them. Just as you are.
Peace, brother.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
John11B, our color guard will be at Mike Crain’s memorial service tomorrow and will sadly have another to attend.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:21 am
LAPD just reported the fire is too hot to investigate what’s left of the cabin. No body has been ID’d, no body has been found.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:36 am
It’s possible that he made it out unoticed. I once heard of a fugitive who was holed up in his house in a stand off with police for seven hours before they discovered he was really behind them shouting to give himself up. Dorner could have watched the whole thing from the trees, he could have been in the cabin, or it may have been someone else for all we know. Until it is proved otherwise, he is still a danger
February 13th, 2013 at 12:39 am
Body removed from cabin…
http://abcnews.go.com/US/christopher-dorner-manhunt-body-removed-cabin-fugitive-cop/story?id=18480021
February 13th, 2013 at 12:45 am
Just had a San Bernadino Sheriff’s Spokeswoman on saying the same thing as the LAPD spokesman. No one has gone into the cabin yet.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:46 am
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/21141596/lapd-no-body-found-in-burned-cabin
February 13th, 2013 at 12:52 am
My deepest sympathies to the victims and their families. I cannot summon any forgiveness for the misbegotten soul of Dorner.
Any injustice he may have suffered at the hands of the LAPD or the USNR in no way justifies the murder of innocents who had no part in any possible maltreatment he may feel that he suffered. May he burn in Hell and may his victims rest peacefully in the arms of the Lord.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:00 am
Yeah, forkin media chomping at the bit to be the first to report a body…
February 13th, 2013 at 1:07 am
There’s conflicting reports, I think both agencies are doing what they can to get the correct info out.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:09 am
For what it’s worth: Fox is now reporting the recovery of human remains from the burned-out cabin.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:47 am
I hope Dorner is the “crispy critter” they say is in what’s left of the cabin, but it could be someone he murdered before running again, I pray I’m wrong about that! As for being anywhere near that scene, I wouldn’t want to even be 20 miles away in an ice cream truck, the CA Keystone Kops are still in full paranoid mode!!
February 13th, 2013 at 7:56 am
According to the LAPD press release they had some kind of equipment that was tearing the walls down one by one. They then heard a single gun shot and then the fire started.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:24 am
@John11b – My sincere condolences to the loss of your friend. If there is some sort of donation I can make to the family of the officer, please post a link in your response. I will look for it. I am confident you and your colleagues will celebrate the life of your friend in order to find comfort in his commitment and sacrifice to the community.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:09 am
I don’t support this Dorner guy at all, but it’s pretty bad when the LAPD is allowed to set fire to the cabin and get away with it.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:20 am
@78: Yep. Why did they set fire to the cabin? None of the media outlets said anything about it. They just reported that it was on fire. No reason as to why, just that it was. Also, they allowed it to burn to the ground; why? At this point, I don’t trust law enforcement or the media to tell us the truth.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:32 am
The tear gas the LEOs shot into the cabin was most likely the flameable type. Think Waco . The reports I have read reported a single gunshot then the fire.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:58 am
@80: Joe, there is audio going around the Internet from the police scanners that show that the police set fire intentionally with burners.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:01 am
I should say that burners is slang for tear gas which is correct Joe but malice intent was there.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:04 am
79 – They probably spoke with the homeowner and asked about insurance, etc. If nobody was at home in the cabin. Probably got permission to take it down. But who knows, all speculation.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Those cops are dirty…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNk-bV40XMc&feature=youtu.be
February 13th, 2013 at 10:49 am
Don’t forget folks, he had the option of surrendering. He wants to stay in a burning house, his call.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:52 am
@83, even if they spoke with the homeowner, the insurance company is going to go after the PD that set fire to it.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:01 am
I read somewhere yesterday that the homeowner saw her cabin on the news and called the police, so she had some input in regards to her property.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:03 am
LA Times is reporting that the authorities were using a “demolition vehicle” to dismantle the cabin had reached “the last wall.” At that point, they reportedly heard a single gunshot and fire then broke out.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-charred-human-remains-found-in-burned-cabin.html
Dunno how accurate this report is – for all I know it may be the truth, may be complete disinformation, or some mix of the two. But IF the article is accurate it would be consistent with Dorner offing himself after starting the fire (perhaps to provide a funeral pyre) because he didn’t want to risk either death by multiple gunshots or capture.
Or police tear gas could have started the fire and the timing of the visible flames could be a coincidence.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:14 am
OK. Stop.
“Burn it down” … so what.
DEADLY FORCE WAS AUTHORIZED.
The means by which the act occurs is irrelevant.
You can use a hammer, punch in the throat, a gun, a blodozer, you can “fuck*n burn it down.”
If it was your wife and 7 year old kid there as incident commander and all they had was a gallon of gas and a Bic lighter as resources … what would you suggest?
This POS and his intentions were clear.
I would have shot him dead on sight or flushed him out … with smoke, fire, snakes, dogs, or barage of bullets!
END OF STORY. He is in hell now. The burning house was just a preview!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:20 am
Messy. Very messy. But effective. At least we won’t have to support him in prison for the next 40 years, or go through the nonsense of a capital sentence with 50 appeals.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:37 am
First of all, glad that POS is gone. Hope it was painful. Also praying that all of those scumbags who cheered him on suffer the same fate.
Finally, prayers to the families of those law enforcement officers who lost their lives taking that piece of garbage to the trash.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:45 am
@78 & 79 I appreciate your point, but rebuilding the cabin is probably cheaper than a trial. Also, I don’t think I’m ready for a repeat of Maj Hassan or OJ.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:48 am
I’m going to wait until it is confirmed that he is dead before I break out the bubbly.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Twist: maybe you should wait until you’re off staff duty, too. (smile)
February 13th, 2013 at 11:54 am
@89 or in Philly you can drop a bomb from a helicopter and burn down the whole block.
I sincerely believe Dorner got exactly what was coming to him, and my deepest sympathies extend to the families of the victims of Dorner’s murder spree.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
I care less if he burned to death or died as a result of a self inflicted gunshot wound.
Sounds like the police (and it was not the LAPD folks, they were not involved in the takedown) were trying to force him outside of the house by pulling it down from around him and by using tear gas. Fire started, oh well… so sad for the homeowner who lost their home (seriously).
Did they intend to burn him up or burn him out? I am betting it was intent to flush him out as they were not going in after him. I am further betting that he killed himself as the fires were starting and when the fire spread the decision was it was too unsafe to enter the building to retrieve his corpse.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
@78. Once the place started burning, I wouldn’t have gone near it until the last embers were cold. If indeed it was Dorner, he might have had the place booby trapped and any remaining rounds would likely cook off. The best thing that can be done now is to wipe his name from the memory banks and bury him in an unmarked grave.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
@97 Agree with what you said, AirCav. Particularly the last sentence.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
PintoNag/2-17 Air Cav: works for me. But burial at sea leaves fewer traces and no possibility of later discovery of the location.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Wasn’t someone else besides Dorner supposed to be in that cabin at the time?
February 13th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
@97 The wiping from memory won’t happen as we all know, even if it would be beneficial,as there is a large number of people in LA who absolutely believe Dorner’s reasoning for why he was terminated.
The nature of the LAPD over the last 20 years, while improved, is still one with officers being imprisoned, and an entire division shut down for corruption, dozens of officers terminated for inappropriate actions. The LAPD does not engender trust in a large component of the population it is designed to serve and protect.
No doubt that includes some who are a criminal element but when your police department engenders tweets applauding someone who is murdering your personnel it’s clear that some sort of disconnect between your citizenry and your police force exists. That will need some careful work to repair, if at this stage it even can be ever fully repaired. I believe the reason they are reopening Dorner’s complaint is to keep the minority community satisfied that the right reasons were involved with Dorner’s dismissal instead of whistleblowing black man being sh1tcanned by a bunch of white racist police officials. It should be interesting to see how transparent the investigation appears to the public as well as if anyone it is intended to placate believes the results.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
I will not say I’m glad that Dorner is dead, because I’m not happy when anyone passes, especially this way, EVEN THOUGH he brought it on himself.
Howevre, with the internet the way it is, VOV is right — it won’t be allowed to fade from memory for some time to come because of the dissonance between minorities and the LAPD. I’m really waiting for someone out in LaLaLand, not connected to the police, to start playing the race card and bring up Rodney King again but neglecting to mention the white truck driver who was pulled out of his cab and beaten by a mob.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
I just thought of something. They said that they found a wallet with Dorner’s ID in the cabin. But they found his wallet last week, didn’t they?