Drugs, guns, and stupid people

| January 6, 2014

While this particular result doesn’t happen that often, the initial criminal plan happens all the time. From Breitbart.

Let’s look at this closer: 2 teens under 18 and 2 adults over 18, but barely, coupled with guns and plans to rob a drug dealer; what could possibly go wrong?

Yeah, mom gets on tv wailing like no body’s business about her baby girl, etc. Massive coverage from the media, but no one is asking the question that needs to be asked; why wasn’t mommy a little more involved in her daughter’s life from the get go? Granted, sometimes even the best parenting won’t change who your kids hang with and the decisions they make, however, it doesn’t seem that way in this case. I know, we always get the “insert name was a good kid and was never in trouble, or just turning their life around, etc.” If you have ever watched the tv show “The first 48”, then you will notice that many of the deaths involve “father of 3” who was gunned down in a drug deal gone bad. Yeah, no one deserves to die, but if it’s important to point out that “insert name” left behind X amount of kids; then shouldn’t it be just as important to point out that by being a drug dealer with X amount of kids, it might be better to find a different line of work to support your kids?

Old Trooper out


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  1. Sparks says:

    Never, ever fails. The picture of the crying mother. The pleas to find out who did this horrible thing to her good, little girl. When in fact it was her wonderful little girl who was one of the master minds of the crime which took her life. It was very hard to use “master minds”, in that sentence. Since there were very little to no brains applied to the crime. People with criminal minds looking to turn their lives around, using other people with criminal minds. I guess if you are going to play hard games you better wear a cup. Obviously, this will be the fault of societies poverty, being disadvantaged and of color. And in a grander sense the economic policies of the Reagan and Bush Administrations…hell everything else is.(sarc) I would put money on the fact that mom here, had very little to do with the girl’s life. I mean it is one thing when the local police call to say we picked up your kid for shoplifting a pack of gum and and quite another when, we have your kid on a morgue slab, because they tried to rip off the neighborhood drug dealer and it went south. Someone else here always says it better than I, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

  2. Hondo says:

    The chorus here sums things up nicely.

  3. Flagwaver says:

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

    You always see this happening to hood rats. How many times have you heard about a group of veterans deciding they wanted to commit a crime? You don’t. Vets are taught discipline by their services and taught that you have to work for your pay (even in the Air Force).

    However, if one of those hood rats failed out of Boot, or didn’t pass MEPS, or ordered recruiting information from one of the armed services, you can expect the media to jump on it with both feet without looking at any other angle.

  4. Club Manager says:

    Add to the mix the wailing Momma on TV is always decked out with a fresh “do,” party earrings, and clothes; but her “baby” was out roaming the streets at zero dark early.

  5. Adam says:


    As uncommon as it may be, it has happened:


    This is the stuff that TV crime dramas like to hype.

  6. Just An Old Dog says:

    While making it a condition of release or parole would never fly in our legal system I would like to see the Government offer a free vasectomy or tubal ligation to any inmate who wanted one. Hell I would even donate to a private organization that would pay them a stipend for having it done.

  7. Sparks says:

    I have to be honest here and tell you my story from @1. It was my son who in his Freshman year of high school, stopped at the grocer on the way to school and shoplifted a pack of gum…with money in his pocket. He was caught by the manager who called the police who called me. On my way to the store I was pissed as hell and thinking if I could whip his butt in front of the officer. I took the officer aside, who was going to release him to me and ask him to cuff him, put him in the patrol car and take him to the Juvenile Center. He kind of laughed and said “okay and by the way I don’t hear that ever and I think you are doing the right thing”. I got to the Juvenile hall and there he was, sitting in his orange jump suit and SCARED SHITLESS! He was MORE than glad to put his civies on and go home after seeing some of the juvenile inmates coming and going. The Juveline counselor gave him two weeks community service at the Red Cross, cleaning up and picking up trash. That was NOTHING to the punishment and hard line he had to toe at home which really put a crimp in his little life for a long time. The Juvenile counselor was so shocked that his parents showed up and took part in his “rehabilitation”. She said most of the kid’s parents just don’t care and never show up at all. Now, I am not beating my chest here. I was not a perfect dad. He was our only son and kids do not come with an owners manual when they are born. But I had common sense and knew how I was raised. I knew right from wrong and had always taught him that. I knew respect for myself, my family, my community and my country and had always taught him those things. He continued in school, still with good grades and no further incidents and today is an Industrial Safety & Hygiene Engineer. My point to all this was the eye opening experience I had in dealing with the Juvenile authorities, the little criminals there at Juvenile hall and the stories the counselor told me of parents who had kids and basically, turned them loose on society. They did poorly in school and the parents blamed the teachers and school system. They were arrested for crimes and the parents said it was because they were poor or of color and it was racial and again, the communities’ and police’s fault. My further point I guess is that nothing takes the place of good, involved and loving parents. And loving means being hard when it is needed. Pats on the back are for true accomplishments and not because your kid just got out of jail and beat the rap. I see parents like this mom in the story, who will have all the excuses in the world why her little girl is dead and none of them will be because SHE was a bad, uninvolved parent. It just takes me back to my son and my ordeal and how many of those kids might have taken a different course had their parents simply “shown up” in their lives. Shown up for anything…anything at all. Sorry for the long post. Thanks for your patience.

  8. Hondo says:

    Ya done good, Sparks. Would that every parent would take such interest in raising their children.

  9. David says:

    @7 – think it was Heinlein who said we basically raised our kids as if they were puppies – but when they peed on the floor, we just said “naughty naughty” until they were of age – at which time the next time they peed on the floor we shot ’em.

    Flagwaver – if most of the vets I know decided to get together and commit a crime…. odds are they would both pick a more worthwhile target and not get caught.

  10. OWB says:

    Sparks, the saddest part of your story is that while you did well, and for that I thank you, that it is even note worthy. Not to denigrate your taking of responsibility for raising your child, but it just shows that what used to be minimally required is now something special.

    Still, thank you for raising your child, doing the hard work in spite of societal pressure to do otherwise.

    We laugh at fools like this mother. She really is quite silly, but all too common.

  11. Sparks says:

    @9 That was funny. Reminds me of the quote, “put them in a barrel and feed them through the bung hole. When they turn 16…plug the hole”.

  12. Sparks says:

    @10 Thank you OWB. It is sad that the action we took with our son was such a surprise to the authorities. That was the big shock to us. When I was growing up it was the norm to be held responsible and suffer the consequences of my actions. Yes, today, to do what use to be the societal norm has become the extraordinary and noteworthy. The actions of the dead woman and her mother are now the expected and usual.

  13. streetsweeper says:

    I can see it now. Baby mama like gonna be on Oprah n shit talking ’bout how her poor little girl was struggling ‘gainst the man wif his boot to her troat, gitting her life to’getter and gunna be sumone famous just like like dat famouse girl dat sing n twerk her big ol butt around on stage, Rhyanna. Yea man, dat’s her, dat’s da girl! She was just gunna be likes her sumday.

  14. Sparks says:

    @13 streetsweeper…I couldn’t have said it better. You nailed it.

  15. Ex-PH2 says:

    Actually, Sparks, the mom claimed when interviewed on TV that she had no idea that her precious daughter was mixed up with those guys or how that happened.

    And guess what? The baby was a premature, C-section, 5 month girl fetus, now hanging on by a thread, and will be raised by her grandparents. Why? Because they didn’t know what their own kid was up to. Oh, yeah, the three guys who were with her said she was ‘accidentally’ shot in the head when the deal went bad.

    Another sordid south sider story from the City by the Lake.

  16. Sparks says:

    @15 That is the sad state of affairs I was referring to. The mother “had no idea” because she was uninvolved in her daughter’s life. I only hope the baby survives and the grandparents can do a better job than the mom did. I realize that after a certain age a kid will start making their own choices for their life. But the choices they make will be determined, by and large, by the upbringing they experienced and the lessons they learned at home. Even kids who were raised in the best of circumstances, by the best of parents, sometimes make bad choices and take a wrong turn for their whole life. The parents can truly say they did the best they could. I understand that and I feel for those parents. For some reason though, I don’t think that will be the case in this situation. I could be wrong, I frequently am, it is just my humble opinion that this mother knew little if anything of her daughter’s life and that is her fault. She is saying she did not know her daughter was hanging out with these thugs. One of whom was the girl’s boyfriend and I am guessing, possibly the father of the child. One of whom fired the shot that killed her daughter. It is a sad and sordid story, played out all too often.

  17. David says:

    Sparks – I may be mistaken, but I think you just described what Heinlein called The Bunghole Theory of raising a child.
    I want to say it came from Methusaleh’s Children but my mempory isn’t what it used to be. Heinlein was a pretty smart old dog, for an ex-squid.

  18. Roger in Republic says:

    When I first read this case over at Second City Cop, it was then only about a 17 year old pregnant girl found in an alley shot in the head. At that point she was just another statistic from the ghetto. The story was that she had died of her wound but that the doctors had saved her five month fetus. My first thought was “check out the babydaddy”. Girls in, or near Chicago gangs suffer from what is called “homeboy child support”. Rather than abort the baby, they abort the mother.
    I was not surprised that she died in a drug rip and that she was shot by one of her own homies. Nor did I find it unusual that they dumped her, still alive, in an alley or gangway.

    As for the grieving “mother”, she was not raising the girl. Her aunt or grandmother had that responsibility.

  19. Flagwaver says:

    @5, Sorry Adam. I should have said actual soldiers. Not the reprobates that are thrown in Ft. Lewis on their way to Leavenworth. I’ve known too many soldiers and airmen from Lewis/McChord who are nothing more than bottom-feeding mouth-breathers who think the service owes them for surviving Boot.

    When my National Guard unit was training up there, pre-deployment we ran the lanes with a higher score than one of their units that was prepping for deployment. National Guard… vs. active duty infantry…