Wallace Grey Rather; phony SEAL with 7 Purple Hearts

| October 6, 2014

Wallace Grey Rather

Someone sent us their research on this fellow, Wallace Grey Rather, who appears to have had an enviable career in the Navy. He did actually serve as a corpsman three times in Vietnam with the 1st Marine Division and with the Riverine fellows, it appears that he earned a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star for his efforts, but apparently, that wasn’t good enough. His FOIA returns from his DD214 the award of a Special Warfare Badge (SEAL Trident), but Don Shipley reports that he isn’t in the database of folks who completed that course of study. So we looked at his records more thoroughly.

Wallace Grey Rather Assignments 1

Wallace Grey Rather Assignments 2

Wallace Grey Rather Assignments 3

He has these two citations for Bronze Star Medals for actions in 1969 – according to his list of assignments, he was stationed in Vietnam with Coastal Riverine units 11 & 13 from February 1969 through February 1970. The two citations seem to be for the same action – neither of which has anything to do with Riverine operations, though. He has included in his file a Navy Commendation Medal which appears to be legitimate.

Wallace Grey Rather BSM 2

Wallace Grey Rather BSM

Wallace Grey Rather NUC

Wallace Grey Rather FOIA

I don’t know how the Navy does Navy Commendation Medal, but the one above reads like an end-of-tour award and wouldn’t merit a “Combat Distinguishing Device” in the Army, but what do I know?

Now on to his awards; There are two entries each for Purple Hearts and Bronze Stars. A good clerk, a mediocre clerk, or even a completely dumbass clerk would know to put one entry for each medal. For the Purple Heart, whoever typed it into the DD214, wrote “with one one silver star and one gold star” instead of the usual “(7th Award)”.

Wallace Grey Rather Awards

While we’re talking about the Purple Heart, here is the citation Mr Rather presents for doubters – one citation with all seven instances of his wounds;

Wallace Grey Rather PH

For the record, if he had earned seven Purple Hearts, he’d have seven citations not one citation that is nothing but a list of dates. His assignments do show one hospital stay as a patient from June to September 1966 and afterwards, he returned to Vietnam, so I’m pretty sure that he has one Purple Heart.

Of course, we’ve already mentioned his lack of training for the SEAL Trident as verified by Don Shipley. But, on to his Silver Star. Here’s his citation;

Wallace Grey Rather SS

He was indeed in Vietnam with the Air Naval Gunfire Liaison Company in 1972, but Elmo Zumwalt was a full admiral and the Chief of Naval Operations by then and had been in that office for two years by the time Mr Wallace Rather has Zumwalt’s signature on the Silver Star citation as a Vice Admiral commanding Naval forces in Vietnam. Mr Rather wasn’t a Navy UDT frogman, either, so I don’t know why he’d be disarming a bomb on the hull of a Korean transport ship.

His last assignment is HCMS (senior chief hospital corpsman) and, although I’ve never been in the moister service, I think that’s an E-8, I think an E-9 would be an HMCM: Master Chief Hospital Corpsman.

It looks to me that HCMS Rather edited his DD 214 before he left the Navy. The Navy has been informed of the above discrepancies, but apparently, HCMS Rather has some friends in the Navy Department who would rather brag that they know a 7-Purple Heart SEAL faker than get to the truth about him.

You can Google around and find where he was convicted of insurance fraud, but we only care about military frauds here. Obviously, he’s been a fraud for a very long time, and it continues.

PS: You people on Reddit are illiterate morons. He went to the CIA’s BUD/S class? Really, which one was that? Don Shipley says he didn’t go to BUD/S, so he didn’t go to BUD/S – it’s that easy. They put all of his Purple Hearts on one citation because of OpTempo? Over a period of four years they found five minutes to put them all on one? Fucking idiots.

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  1. teddy996 says:

    Correct, John. HMCS is senior chief, E8, while HMCM would be Master chief, E9.

  2. LIRight says:

    Sounds as if Rather is from the John “Lurch” Kerry school of Purple Hearts.

    I had a guy on my ACAV in 1968 that was sent home after receiving his fourth Purple Heart, which was SOP back then.

    Another legitimate and honorable military career ruined by falsehoods and exaggerations.

    • jedipsycho (Certified Space Shuttle Door Gunner) says:

      I just don’t get it…
      It has to be a mental disorder, or something.

    • John "Faker 6" Giduck says:

      We should reserve judgment until Degrata Tactical can declare Wallace Grey Rather as the “real deal”.

      http://thetruthaboutsocnetlies.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/degrata-tactical-swears-that-john-giduck-is-the-real-deal/

      If they swear he is the real deal based on some trinkets and doodads, Wallace Grey Rather is the real deal. They swore I was the real deal.

      sincerely

      John “Faker 6” Giduck

      • Grey Rather says:

        There appears to be a great deal of omitted information on your posted. Allow me to clarify several points. During any investigation, such as yours, to accurately ascertain the truth, it requires an accusation by an accuser plus a response by the accused. The following is my explanation:
        1st. The fake SEAL claim. I am not a member of SEAL team, nor have I ever claimed to be. As further proof positive I refer you to your posted picture. There is no Trident (SEAL Team insignia) on my uniform. There is however a USN Scuba pin and a Navy Marine Corps Parachute insignia which I will address later.
        2nd. The issue of the seven Purple Heart awards citation. The representation you’ve shown is not the actual citation. What you have shown is a memorabilia illustration which was given me at my retirement party. I also have similar illustrations for the Silver Star plus Bronze Star. As to the validity of the Purple Hearts, I have individual citations per each incident. The first three were while serving with the Marine Corps which include a severe head wound, shrapnel from a grenade booby trap, and a gunshot wound to the right thigh which required a muscle transplant. Following a 6 month rehabilitation assignment, I returned to Vietnam with the Naval Riverine forces in the Mekong Delta. The mobile riverine forces carried 9th Infantry Army troops throughout the Delta utilizing the extremely narrow rivers and canals to drop them off for ground operations. The rivers proved to be ideal ambush areas for the enemy to fire directly into the boats with B40 rocket propelled grenades. The rockets threw shrapnel throughout the boats wounding almost everyone, Army and Navy men alike. Each of the final four Purple Hearts where produced by this type of shrapnel injury. Usually the injury were numerous but superficial. Only when the metal shrapnel required medical intervention was a Purple Heart awarded. Hence, three while with the Marine Corp and four while with the Navy riverine forces
        3rd. The Silver Star. This was awarded at the US Naval Hospital, Orlando Florida three years after the incident in an award ceremony by the Commanding Officer Capt. Powell. I was unaware of an award even being written or submitted. There seems to be questions as to why I was located in the area at the time of the mining of USNS Upshur. Checking on the enclosed page 339, Assignment #2 you will see I was assigned to Military Advisory Command Vietnam (MAC V) Jan.1970. Since this command covered the entire country, I was sent to Qui Nhon as an advisor with the LDNN (Vietnamese EOD/SEAL). My initial responsibility was to facilitate the logistic support. As only one of two Advisors, when the one advisor was out of the area the other totally covered each others responsibilities. When the ship contacted us of questionable floating devices, I was the only advisor available. The Vietnamese (EOD) CPO, a (EOD) PO3 and myself responded (as stated in the citation). The USNS Upshur was carrying Korean troops so I thought the incident would go unnoticed.
        4th. Scuba and Parachute insignias. While stationed in Key West Florida, I was able to convince my Division Officer Lcdr Kenneth Owens and CPO Ralph Tingly to arrange TAD orders to Key West US Navy Diving Training to become scuba qualified. For the parachute training course, while awaiting permanent assignment to Vietnam, I requested and was granted (at my own expense) parachute training at US Army base, Ft. Benning, Ga. and completed the three week course while on personal leave status. Also of note, page 339, Assignment #2, I was transferred to Sub-Unit 1, Ist ANGLICO. (Air and Naval Gunfire Liaison Company) This command required all members be jump and dive qualified. ANGLICA was stationed at MAC V headquarters, Saigon, located on TanSonNhut air base within the Vietnamese Airborne School. This allowed the Americans to parachute as often as we wished, which could be up to 4 – 5 times a day.
        5th and final. Addressed specifically to “Andy FMF. You questioned the use of a ‘neck tourniquet “ This is done by placing two ace bandages along each side of the neck and tighten down directly on the carotid artery. Not as a tourniquet but more of pressure bandage. This technique was taught in Field Medical School in the 1960’s by HMCS Lou LaGerry. I’ve used it twice, once on a Marine and once on a Navy river boat crewman. Once with success and once unsuccessful.
        All sarcasm aside, To all your bloggers, before you condemn a person at least have the integrity to contact that person personally. You might find out you are totally mistaken.

        • Sarc88 says:

          You lied at NHCS, and you are lying now. I was THERE at NHCS when you were. You did wear a Trident, and I am swearing in as an eyewitness right now. Your fellow poser buddy Larry Jacobs got caught, and now so have you. And now you’re wearing MY Reconnaissance gear, which I’m certain you are lying about as well. “Attended jump school on leave at my own expense” my dying ass. That’s not just unlikely, it’s illegal. I am a career Recon IDC HM8403, a static line and freefall jumpmaster, and open/closed circuit diving supervisor – those are my genuine and documented bona fides. Your SRB and citations are as fake as a 3 dollar bill. I am stating positively for the record that I personally saw you wearing your fake trident, and that in this Senior Chief’s EXPERT opinion, your record and claims are bogus. You offer explanations that are vague and unverifiable. Your service documents and citations are not worded correctly, they are out of order and date, and I and hundreds of other NHCS students saw you wearing a SEAL trident.

          Worst of all, is that I actually looked up to you as a student. I and others viewed you with awe, and whispered rumors about you with reverence. I hope every member of your family and community gets a chance to read this. You lied and posed then, you are doing it now.

          FU
          Sarc88
          HMCS(DV/FPJ/FMF) USN Ret

          P.S. Take off my badges right now. Also remove your CPO Anchors – you are a disgrace to the Mess and Initiated men everywhere.

          • Jeff Curtis says:

            I also remember him wearing the trident while at Great Lakes. What a piece of shit. I was the Asst. Navy Personnel Office at 1st FSSG when Larry Jacobs was busted.

            • Mitch Burke says:

              I would be interested in hearing about any information you have regarding LCDR Jacobs. I have heard stories over the years but nothing substantial. I remember him well.

          • Sarc88,

            You are 100% CORRECT about this guy wearing a SEAL Trident when he was an instructor at NHCS. I was there as a student from 17Apr-22Jul 1981. He wore that SEAL Trident on his uniform EVERY DAY when I was there!! I am not a SEAL or Diver, but this is not only DISRESPECTFUL to our SEAL’s and Diver’s but to EVERY Sailor who wore the uniform with Honor and Pride. 2 words this guy doesn’t know the meaning of.

            I was with you as well, looking up to him in awe because of the “Like 10 Frickin rows of ribbons” and the SEAL Trident. I believe he used to kid and say that was for drinking the most beer!

            This guy is a DISGRACE to the MESS and would NOT be welcome if I had anything to do with it. I would say this guy is a “7”

            Dccab
            HMCS(AW/NAC)USN Ret

        • collins says:

          I was in one of yure last classes at corps school great Lakes. I have looked up to you as a personal hero snice then. Reading this has been very hurtful. Please respond to me with the provided proof you’re legit. My e-mail is christcollins@live.com. I appreciate any info from anyone but this was very hard to read.

          • mark rich says:

            I went to Corpsman “A” school spring/summer 84′ and had LT Jacobs as an instructor, in awe of all those ribbons and the SEAL Trident. I also remember HMCM Rather who had even more. When I learned later about LT Jacobs fraud I always wondered why HMCM Rather’s never picked up on it since it’s such a small community, now I know.

            HMC(DMT) (Ret.)

        • Joe Rather says:

          I am Greys younger brother and the only time he lies is when his lips are moving. I believe he has disgraced his uniform and instead of being proud to just serve, that was never enough. I do credit him with his tours, and that alone is enough to be proud of. I can look back at stories he told and we believed because that is what family does, support, but looking back, they are just outrageous lies. He told us over dinner one night after his last return that 3 shuttle planes he was on, including the last leg fro Hawaii actually crash landed, 3 flights in 3 days.
          Good luck with your research but he was always good at manipulating so he may actually have certificates but I don’t believe a word he ever says

        • HM A School Instructor says:

          Grey, you tried wearing the Trident when you were a contractor at HM A-School and the XO told you to take it off. Don’t lie about that. There are plenty of graduation pictures floating around showing you wearing the trident. Don’t lie.

        • HM A School Instructor says:

          If you look closely her copied someone else’s Silver Star citation from 2 years pervious. Hard to believe the exact same incident happened at the exact same place 2 years after. Grey you are a FAKE and a disgrace! You told all of those Corps school kids lies about you being a SEAL and you wore the TRIDENT. Captain Norton called you in his office and told you to stop wearing it. LIAR.

  3. Green Thumb says:

    Phildo’s dad.

  4. MrBill says:

    I found an article from the VFW in which Rather is listed as being among the top PH recipients:

    http://digitaledition.qwinc.com/publication/?i=44657&p=17

    • 2/17 Air Cav says:

      Yeah, I read it. Nowhere is verification mentioned. In fact, the article asks, “Should you or someone you know be on the list?”

      • MrBill says:

        True enough. However, the article was written by Fred Borch, who is the Army JAG Corps’ regimental historian, so I’d hope he actually did some research before submitting the article. I could be wrong, of course.

  5. OIF '06-'07-'08 says:

    I can understand and realize that most of us that have or will see combat has had a very high probability of being awarded ONE Purple Heart, but being awarded seven PH’s tells me that A=Your a poser, or B=They should have sent your ass home along time ago because you are that damned incompetent to be sent out side the wire to begin with.

    I myself was damned lucky to have never earned one, and in today’s static environment of modern operations and how the insurgencies of Iraq and Afghanistan operate make that even harder to accomplish, but I cannot remember were I read a statement years ago that stated most Purple Hearts are nothing but enemy marksman ship medals.

    • rb325th says:

      Colonel Robert Howard (awarded the MOH) received 8 Purple Hearts. Not too sure I would put him in that group you describe.

      • OIF '06-'07-'08 says:

        I understand what you are saying, but the late great Col. Howard never boasted about it, nor did he ever use his combat record to bolster himself.

        I myself had heard of Col. Howard way back in the mid 80’s when I served, but I never knew of his extensive combat record in till I saw his obituary on NBC News with Brian Williams a few years ago.

        • Hondo says:

          Published accounts indicate COL Howard was actually wounded 14 times in Vietnam, but that he thought 6 of them “too minor” to merit a Purple Heart and either didn’t request one or convinced his superiors not to put him in for one.

        • Joe Williams says:

          Mag-36, had 4 squadrons waiting or circling in near area to go in and extact Col. Howard ‘s recon squad. If a Corpsman in Nam had earned 7 PHs . I would have read or heard about him. The FMF Corpsman is not that big of Corpsman. The Corpsman would been bragging about him. Joe

    • Twist says:

      A buddy of mine has 3 (I believe) PH’s. He calls them his I forgot to duck ribbons or his IMT failure badge.

  6. Atkron says:

    Dude was a bullet magnet…too bad he embellished, he had a very honorable resume already.

  7. An Old Arty Sgt says:

    I’m just not understanding the Purple Heart Certificate.. All the ones I have seen, state 2nd Award, 3rd Award..etc. The Silver and Gold Stars are for the ribbon.. Never seen any Certificate show stars.. Seen lots of “with “V”. It was issued in 1971. Whoever wrote it up should have known better.

  8. Steadfast&Loyal says:

    read that silver star citation.

    wow. the officers and clerks of the day needed to re-educated.

    Or maybe “unhesitatiagly” means he was just really super happy to be there helping people out and stuff.

    Citations are a reflection of the command, signature authority, and the awardee. That citiation is written like a drunk monkey did it.

    • Steadfast&Loyal says:

      ooops. I read the Bronze Star one….gah. the photocopy put smudges.

      I stand corrected…still…unhesitatingly is just akward.

      I’d been sent back to rewrite that one.

  9. NavyCWORet says:

    There are so many things wrong with his awards write up. First, it would all be in order of precedence, so the Silver Star would be on top and descending from there. Also, there are not multiple awards of the rifle or pistol expert medals. Once it’s awarded, it’s for life. No requirement to requalify and therefore “earn” subsequent awards.

    • Bobo says:

      I seem to remember from my Navy days something about a bronze “E” awarded for shooting expert the first 2 times, and the bronze “E” wasn’t a permanent award. Once someone shot expert the 3rd time, the bronze turned to silver, and the medal was permanently awarded. That was circa 1987, so the memory might be hazy.

      • MCPO NYC USN Ret. says:

        Navy pistol and rifle ribbon marksman (“S” for sharpshooter) and medal (“E” for Expert) are once earned always worn.

  10. 2/17 Air Cav says:

    Cripes.

  11. Sparks says:

    Another day at TAH and…another phoney SEAL. What are the odds?

  12. Green Thumb says:

    Dude has so much stuff on his uniform it is pulling it down.

  13. Hondo says:

    In case anyone is interested, here are the references to the guy’s insurance fraud conviction. FWIW: Libertyville, IL, is roughly 4 miles west-southwest of Great Lakes NTC.
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-167400799.html
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-161942126.html
    Seeing the entire articles requires signing up for a service, but what’s available there in the free lead-in is enough to show the guy pleaded guilty and got what appears to be a relatively lenient sentence for insurance fraud. I’m wondering if he didn’t play the “I’m a heroic vet who screwed up” card to get a lighter sentence.

  14. AndyFMF says:

    Thank you so much for exposing this fraud.

    Stolen Valor a victimless crime? Not so much. I dealt with this fraud’s lies while on deployment in Afghanistan. Young HMs were asking about a “neck tourniquet” that Mr. Rather bragged about using. Young HM’s also thought that anyone with PTSD was violent, edgy, and couldn’t be reasoned with as Mr. Rather would routinely punch Corps School students in their chest if they “snuck up” on him and “surprised” him.

    Oh, and regarding his silver star…..what a fraud. Check SECNAVINST 1650.1H. The Silver Star awarding authority is not the CNO. It is most certainly not anyone below the CNO.

    I hold him in more contempt than I hold Bernath. One has fantasies about being a chief, the other one has used his anchors for evil, to serve his own selfish desires, and to tear down the Navy.

    There are no expletives strong enough to describe my contempt for him.

    Thank you for finally publishing something on him.

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    • Green Thumb says:

      After reading this I stand corrected.

      This is Phildo’s mentor.

    • ExHack says:

      Excellent points. I didn’t think you could get lower than Bernath, but when you suborn the leadership role that younger people are looking up to you for, and putting lives in danger … yeah, I’ll agree he’s worse.

  15. NHSparky says:

    Who the fuck wrote up these awards–Visconti?

  16. NHSparky says:

    Also, Master Chief, maybe you or a PN or YN can help me out here.

    His last entry in 1985 was RELACTDU, or Released From Active Duty. Would that still be the same for someone who retired? I know that 20-30 years you transfer to the Fleet Reserve, and after 30 you move to the Retired list.

    Would it not say that, or am I reading too much into it? Even his FOIA say discharged, though, not retired or Fleet Reserve.

    • Hondo says:

      NHSparky – though I’m not Navy, I believe that entry is correct. I’ve seen it on a fair number of other NMC 118s when someone’s records were transferred to USNRPC at New Orleans. I believe that’s also what happens to the USN personnel records of people who retire with <30 years of active duty service.

      • MCPO NYC USN Ret. says:

        Hondo all correct, released from active duty and records go the reserve command …

    • Twist says:

      I don’t know about the Navy but my orders say something to the effect of released from active duty and placed on the Retired list. I’d have to pull out my orders to give you the exact wording, but I just moved into my new home and they are still packed.

      • Guard Bum says:

        The Army and AF place you onto the retired list, the Navy and Marine Corps release you from active duty and transfer you to the Fleet Reserve or Fleet Marine Corps Reserve where you stay until you hit a combined 30 years when your then retired.

        Its basically the same thing though I believe the Fleet Reserve actually has a provision for members to report for screening every few years though I have never heard of it being used.

  17. Hondo says:

    That Silver Star citation is indeed very . . . interesting. It references acts of heroism occurring on 14 May 1972, and was signed by “VADM E. J. Zumwalt” – obviously some time thereafter.

    As Jonn noted above, in mid-May 1972 “VADM Zumwalt” did not exist. VADM Zumwalt relinquished command of US Naval Forces – Vietnam on 15 May 1970. He was appointed CNO and promoted to ADM on 1 July 1970, and was serving as CNO during May 1972.

    I very seriously doubt that ADM Zumwalt was signing documents over a signature block listing him as “Vice Admiral, U. S. Navy” in May 1972. And I especially doubt he was signing documents saying he was “Commander, U. S. Naval Forces, Vietnam” two years or longer after he’d relinquished command of USNF-V.

  18. TankBoy says:

    The Silver Star was awarded by the Vice Admiral Zumwalt Commander Naval Forces Vietnam, for an incident that occured two years after he left Vietnam and became CNO. Interesting. And no schools listed for Jump, Scuba, and SEAL. I guess he earned it all OJT, like no other guy ever. An exceptional career deserving of great respect flushed by lies. The absolute worst sort of turd poser. A disgrace to all of the fantastic Corpsmen I had the honor of serving with.

  19. NHSparky says:

    A Navy Comm will specify if a “V” Device is authorized, and it says it right in the award.

    Also, that is about right for issuing authority–both my NAMs were approved at 2-star level. No way in hell a Silver Star is authorized by anyone but POTUS.

    • TankBoy says:

      My BSV was approved by SECNAV, as I believe the Silver Star is.

    • Hondo says:

      Actually, NHSparky – SECNAV is the current approval authority per SECNAVINS 1650.1H. The instruction allows it to be designated to lower level commanders, but currently the SECNAV has retained approval authority for the Silver Star and higher decorations.

      Approval authority is often decentralized for the Silver Star during wartime. (The Army awards reg explicitly states that approval authority for the Silver Star may be delegated to the 3-star level during wartime.) Given the relatively primitive state (by today’s standards) of worldwide communications during Vietnam and the desire to recognize heroism in a timely manner, it is eminently plausible that the Navy did the same.

      Unfortunately, that is also the reason that awards of the Silver Star and below are such a royal pain to verify. Decentralized approval is great in terms of allowing quicker recognition. But it grossly complicates the problem of records keeping for same. It’s also why current Silver Star recipient rosters for Korea and after are not regarded as being but 80-90% complete.

      • AndyFMF says:

        I took the time to google Silver Star citations for Department of the Navy personnel serving in Vietnam during the time period in question.

        SILVER STAR MEDAL should be capitalized on the opening line. Wallace Grey Rather’s citation does not reflect caps.

        There are no opening and closing quotation marks for a citation. Wallace Grey Rather’s citation has opening and closing quotation marks.

        Citation should begin with an indent. Wallace Grey Rather’s citation does not begin with an indent.

        In my opinion, still a fake and probably never actually wounded.

        http://www.riverinesailor.com/images/Bruce.Citation1.jpg

        http://www.fold3.com/image/270343749/

        • Hondo says:

          Not saying this one is legit, AndyFMF. My previous comment pointing out that it’s signed by someone who did not exist at the time (“VADM E. J. Zumwalt” ceased to exist on 1 July 1970 when the man was promoted to ADM; the Silver Star certificate refers to heroism on 14 May 1972) makes it abundantly clear that I regard this one as a fake.

          • AndyFMF says:

            We are in complete agreement. My apologies if it sounded as though I was accusing you of being Wallace Rather apologist.

            I was trying to address any rebuttal that someone else might have.

            On rare occasions I break from lurker-mode, so I’ve got a pretty good idea of how you feel on issues like this.

            • Hondo says:

              AndyFMF: my bad. Misread your previous comment as indicating you thought I was supporting this guy, and wanted to make quite clear that I regard at least some of his claims as false. In particular, the Silver Star citation has major issues, and the Purple Heart citation is highly suspect IMO as well.

  20. CB Senior says:

    WTF, cannot figure this asshole out. All his PUC’s, NUC’s, and MUC’s all pan out in terms of dates and the proper Units. Checked under NDAWS.

  21. USMCE8Ret says:

    That’s a pretty shitty “cut and paste” job on his DD214.

    I’m sure the Navy is the only service that used Old English script on their award documents, too.

    His paperwork is as phony as Obama’s birth certificate. 🙂

  22. AndyFMF says:

    It is impossible to make sense of his records because too much of it is BS.

    His citations are photocopied onto Page 13s. These are not the real citations. The spacing is awkward on his COMM w/ V, which makes me think that the line “Combat distinguishing device is authorized” was inserted after the fact.

    If these citations were real, then explain why his history of Awards and Assignments says, “Purple heart, Bronze Star Medal,…Bronze Star with 1 Gold star (2nd Award)…” Where is the “Combat Distinguishing Device authorized”?

    The same question is posed to his Navy Commendation Medal with Combat Distinguishing Device. Where is it?

    The missing annotations of “with ‘V'” are not accidental as the record reflects a Joint Service Commendation Medal with “V”.

  23. Wildbill41 says:

    I think used the same verification system as DAN Rather……

  24. Pineywoods NCO says:

    Look everyone, it is Bernath’s fellow chief bullshit artist in the Navy.

  25. AverageNCO says:

    Doug Sterner, Mary Schantag, and BG Burkett have exposed posers who were able to get bogus information into their official records. This guy seems to be no different.

  26. Dave Hardin says:

    I pulled my records out to check. Naval personal awards are done on form OPNAV 1650. The presence of a citation is supplemental to an award. The form is signed by their entire chain of command up to the authorizing authority. If NAV/MC records do not contain that form for each separate personal award they are not authorized. I also checked Secret squirrel activity which can not happen without form OPNAV 5520 and 5521.

    • Dave Hardin says:

      Cumulative Sea Service”00yrs 00mths”

      I hate it when they go through all the trouble training a SEAL and then he spends most of his career high and dry instead of haze grey and underway.

      • Grey Rather says:

        Sorry you feel that way about my never having been haze gray and underway. I never had to endure the arduous living conditions of a ship. I really pity your having to eat 3 hot meals a day, sleeping on sheets in a bed, air conditioning, enduring the anguish of using a toilet. You never experiencing the thrill of being shot at or having a shipmate blown to pieces and his blood being splattered all over your clothes and in your face an in your hair. Your life must have been pure hell. I, on the other hand had the luxury of sleeping under the stars even in the rain, mosquitoes the size of humming birds, eating cold food out of WW2 C-rat cans. I didn’t have to wait for a toilet to be open, just go behind a tree and let go. The exhilaration of not knowing when a sniper would decide today was your time to get shot in the head, or missing stepping on a booby-trap, running through the mud of rice patties while being shot at.
        You poor sole, missing the adventure of the great outdoors in war time. Yea, you certainly have my sympathy. You really missed out on what the Navy is all about.

        • HM A School Instructor says:

          So did you faker. You wore the TRIDENT at HM A School. You are a complete liar. I lost all respect for you. I see you now and then at Lovell and I pity anyone who happens to believe in your BS.

  27. Just An Old Dog says:

    What a shit-heel. This guy ist a Viscunti, He id mote like that bag off shit Larry Gugle, the guy in the Marine Corps who doctored his SRB to mke it look like he came in two years earlier and served in Vietnam, getting awards for combat.
    That fuckstick got caught when he was a 1st Sgt, was busted to Gunny and allowed to retire. He popped up a few years later and conned the 1/9 vterans group, until he was busted and outed again.
    Rather was a worm who got a hold of his records or heavy barreled someone into putting that crap in there.
    The chances are no one is going to do much about it, unfortunately. The Navy doesnt award 2nd award Expert bars on rifle and pistol badges, unless he qualified on the Marine Corps KD range ( which is a slight possiblity) he would never rate,,and Ive never ever,,, ever heard the term “Exoert Pistol SHOT” in a record book.

    Fuck this guy.

    • C2Show says:

      Except this guy had some pretty good connections to help him doctor his records in questionable manner that blurs the lines. Visconti was one thing, but this guy maybe did not even have to go overboard like he did.

      This guy looks like Larry Hagman.

      • Just An Old Dog says:

        Back in the day it wouldnt be that hard for someone to show up at a new duty station with an SRB that was thicker than when he left his last command.

        • C2Show says:

          That’s some truly sinister shit to do. I mean you gotta have a lack of morals and integrity to stuff your records PCS after PCS. Piece of shit move to do. I guessing that has to be the reason for this mess he has created.

  28. Gene Deener says:

    I remember this fucktard from Hospital Corps School Great Lakes. Had a office full of shit, a mickey mouse with a k-bar in its head, and an ass ton of rack on his chest. I think he was the Senior Enlisted for Academics or something and i do believe he was sporting HMCM at the time. He was a bit off.

    • Brenden says:

      Gene,
      I remember him as an HMCM at NHCS GLAKES in 84, and also sporting a Trident, Craftmaster, and the office goods too.
      This guy does not look like the same Grey Rather I recall tho; but a coincidence would be almost impossible.

      There was also a LT nurse corps Larry Jacobs, who was later busted as phony RVN NSW.
      V/R
      HMCS(DV/FPJ/FMF) HM8403 USN Ret

    • Jeff Curtis says:

      As well, he said” he had longer hair because of the metal plates” His story was that the barber clippers would cause problems”

    • Grey Rather says:

      I am either amazed or flabbergasted that you have had such a mundane life that you nothing better to remember of your time at Corps school other than a Mickey Mouse hanging in my office. Sadly though, without even asking you’ve never known the significance of the Mickey Mouse. The hanging Mickey Mouse was a gift from one of my classes. Had you noticed too, the mouse’s T-shirt had the class motto printed on it. The classes’ motto was: “Don’t let the Mickey Mouse BS get to you” What a waste of the wrong memory after 35 years.

      • Green Thumb says:

        You are nothing more than a low life, ball-working dude.

      • Chris says:

        There you go, this thread was almost dead, and you had to come breath life back into it with more bullshit! Why is it so many of you former ‘shipmates’, and students remember YOU sporting a Trident? Please re-live that memory for us!

        • Green Thumb says:

          I wonder if Phil Monkress ever had this guy as a instructor?

          If so, some of “Wacky” Wallace here surely “rubbed” of on Commander Phil.

      • Dave Hardin says:

        Submit a DD215 and have your records corrected. It is bad enough to live a lie for decades, making no effort to correct it is just gutless.

  29. ArmyLady says:

    His certificate for his purple heart is messed up. You would get a cert for each one awarded. It would not be combined all of the cert.

    Also it would be the date and the reason of why he is receiving the purple heart for.

    Some examples

    https://www.google.com/search?q=purple+heart+certificate&biw=1920&bih=969&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=8h4zVPjIA4HksASwyYLgBg&ved=0CCsQsAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=zkGHwoJXPQ732M%253A%3Bv24fRdZ8eV0OCM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.usmilitariaforum.com%252Fuploads%252F%252Fmonthly_01_2014%252Fpost-13256-0-57630900-1390527553.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.usmilitariaforum.com%252Fforums%252Findex.php%253F%252Ftopic%252F199573-wwii-kia-submariner-purple-heart-certificate-uss-argonaut-marine-raider-connection%252F%3B640%3B316

    https://www.google.com/search?q=purple+heart+certificate&biw=1920&bih=969&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=8h4zVPjIA4HksASwyYLgBg&ved=0CCsQsAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=9NjeOAMQRMFsMM%253A%3BGhA5jc0nirJlCM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi68.photobucket.com%252Falbums%252Fi25%252FConormacnessa%252FFamily%252F31f120b5-95c0-40ad-bc12-40ead89a0b71_zps8d1a34a8.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.freerepublic.com%252Ffocus%252Fnews%252F3051899%252Fposts%3B800%3B559

    https://www.google.com/search?q=purple+heart+certificate&biw=1920&bih=969&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=8h4zVPjIA4HksASwyYLgBg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=RvmZPItRXZEIBM%253A%3BxunEe7OnUX_hSM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F5%252F5f%252FPurple_heart_certificate.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fen.wikipedia.org%252Fwiki%252FPurple_Heart%3B2912%3B2296

    Sorry for the long links…but it shows what a real Purple Heart Cert is suppose to look like.

    I worked on certs when I was in the military and have never seen a blotched up cert like that before.

    • rgr1480 says:

      Yeah, I was checking that out earlier, too. Who signed the Navy-issued PH certificates? Through the 1940s it was the Secretary of War; then, for the Army it was the Secretary of the Army. I saw a few Navy certs, but couldn’t make out who signed them. Also, the Army certs are countersigned by the Army Adjutant General, but the Navy cert appears to have a single signature.

      I also googled for 1971, but couldn’t find any Navy PH certs, but saw some USMC PH certs (single signature).

  30. W2 says:

    Shitbird.

  31. ArmyATC says:

    This turd may have legitimately earned a Bronze Star, but has anyone ever seen a citation that read, “For heroic achievement?” I’ve seen, “For heroic actions” or “meritorious achievement.” but never seen one written the way Rather’s is.

    • CLAW131 says:

      ATC,I don’t believe even the Bronze Star(s)? is legit,even with the “heroic achievement” BS. From the VHPA(Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association) site that has 99.999% accuracy for all birds(including Navy)lost in RVN, on 5 April 1969 no helicopter losses were reported for that day from any services/areas of operation. It is a bogus write-up. Check out the site,it has a lot of good stuff on it,especially their other site VHPA/Museum. Lots of good pictures of helicopters,bases and flight personnel.

  32. AndyFMF says:

    Just to tie it all together in one place.

    http://www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/pig-and-associates-newport-news-virginia-c380174.html

    RATHER, WALLACE GREY
    AKA GREG RATHER
    AKA GREY RATHER
    AKA WALLACE G CATHER 10/2009
    05/2010
    Great Lakes IL area http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=557468111

    Miami Norland High School
    Miami, FL
    Class of 1963

    Biography: Military Spent 7+ years in Vietnam with the USN/USMC and the Saigon embassy. Staye… read more

    Claims Silver Star, numerous Purple Hearts

    ——————————————————————

    Byline: Sara Faiwell Daily Herald Staff Writer

    A man who ran a Libertyville heath care business faces federal charges for allegedly bilking insurance companies out of nearly $3, 000.

    Wallace Rather, who ran the National Institute of Allergy in Libertyville, was indicted Tuesday by a grand jury and charged with…

    ———————————————

    Libertyville man pleads guilty to insurance scam (11 April 2007)
    A Libertyville man pleaded guilty to insurance fraud Tuesday, admitting he billed insurance companies for procedures his allergy clinic never actually performed.

    Wallace Grey Rather, 62, pleaded guilty before U.S. District Judge Samuel Der-Yeghiayan and admitted his actions as owner of the…
    http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-6431425/Libertyville-man-pleads-guilty-to.html
    ———————————————————-
    Rather, Grey – (847) 984-2445 – greyrather@comcast.net – Libertyville, IL – 1966-67
    Golf company/7th Marines http://www.golfco7thmar.com/Roster2.html
    —————————————————————–
    Wallace Grey Rather

    View Details
    64 Grayslake, IL
    Libertyville, IL
    Lake Bluff, IL
    Lindenhurst, IL

    2010

    RATHER, WALLACE GREY, or Grey as he likes to be called was hired recently as a civilian contractor to teach at NHCS, Great Lakes, IL. He claims to be a SEAL and has worn his uniform with many high decorations (i.e. Silver Star, Purple Heart, Trident). Some of his history seems out of context to his claims (i.e. being stationed with a SEAL team and then being stationed with a Marine 2nd Recon BN).

    .
    2010
    I greatly appreciate your interest in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams, and your search for the TRUTH. Before answering your questions I must make clear that I am a private individual, not affiliated with the US Dept. of Defense or any other government organization. My efforts to expose SEAL imposters are performed as a service to the public, and in honor of my SEAL Teammates who gave their lives in service to our nation – men who truly earned the right to the title “US NAVY SEAL” but who are no longer able to stand forward in defense of their honor, their reputations, and their TEAMs.

    If the name you provided is spelled correctly, I do NOT find a listing in the SEAL Database (SEAL Teams and predecessor units from1943 to the Present Day) for anyone named WALLACE GREY RATHER. I have also examined possible alternate spellings, and names with similar pronunciations without finding any that appear to be applicable.

    Unless he has undertaken the unlikely action of a legal name change (an action for which there would be evidence in the form of court documentation) since his claimed attendance at BUD/S training, and based upon the information you have provided, I can state conclusively that WALLACE GREY RATHER has NEVER COMPLETED SEAL training, and he is not now, nor was he ever a Navy SEAL, a Navy UDT “Frogman”, a member of any Naval Combat Demolition Unit (NCDU), or a member of the Naval Amphibious Scouts & Raiders (S&R).

    I must take pains to ensure that you are fully aware of the fact that the SEAL Database DOES INCLUDE the names of all Hospital Corpsmen who have been assigned to the Naval Special Warfare Teams without the requirement to go through all of BUD/S Training. Those few Hospital Corpsmen were a part of the Naval Special Warfare Teams during the Vietnam era when there was some controversy over the idea of Corpsmen carrying weapons. Corpsmen assigned to the UDT and SEAL Teams at that point in history were required only to complete the Diving portion of BUD/S Training. However, that controversy was resolved, and by 1980 all of the Hospital Corpsmen who were serving as SEALs were graduates of the BUD/S Training course. There are Corpsmen who are assigned to the SEAL Teams in a SUPPORTING ROLE, but they are never credentialed as SEALs. Their activities are limited to providing medical support in the SEAL compound and training areas.

    When members of the Naval Special Warfare community meet others who claim similar service, but whom they do not recognize, there is a conversational exchange of information that establishes the bona fides of each to the other. There is no set formula for this exchange, nor for the information that is exchanged, but it ALWAYS takes place, and the REAL Naval Special Warfare members can ALWAYS spot a phony as a result of this exchange. If Mr. RATHER persists in insisting that his SEAL claims are legitimate, I might suggest that you ask him these questions:

    (1) Since there is no listing in the SEAL Database for the name you are currently using, WHAT NAME DID YOU USE during SEAL training?

    (2) What was his BUD/S Class Number? (NB: No SEAL ever forgets the class number he shouted all day long, every day, for 6 months)?

    (3) Where did his training take place? (NB: Training has been conducted at several locations over the years; different portions in different places)?

    (4) When did he graduate from Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training? (i.e. a specific graduation DATE)?

    (5) When did he enter the US Navy (a specific month and year)?

    (6) When did he leave the US Navy (a specific month and year)?

    (7) What were his Primary and Secondary Naval Enlisted Classification codes ?NEC? or his Naval Officer Billet Code ? NOBC?

    There are many other questions which could be asked to further establish the level of veracity or untruth regarding his claims, such as asking for the names of other members of his graduating class, but those basic questions are absolutes. The answers to those questions are totally UNCLASSIFIED, and every real SEAL will gladly provide that substantiating information upon request.

    I might suggest that you also ask Mr. RATHER to specifically identify WHICH SEAL Team(s) he served on, and when. I am in direct contact with several hundred of my SEAL Teammates whose collective experience covers virtually all time periods from the Korean War to the present; I can quickly contact those individuals to verify any specific names, events, or other claims offered by Mr. RATHER. If he feels that his name has somehow been mistakenly omitted from the SEAL records, I’d be pleased to hear details of his service which would serve to validate his claims. The Director of the Naval Special Warfare Archives – a close personal friend and SEAL Teammate – is only a phone call away and standing by to amend the records if this is ever found to be true. However, I estimate that I’ve made the same offer many thousands of SEAL imposters in the past decade, and none of them ever turned out to be a valid SEAL.

    Before any classified operations may be undertaken as a SEAL Operator, a man must first successfully complete the totally unclassified BUD/S Training program and the follow-on secondary training program; the names of all those who successfully graduate from that training program are compiled in the SEAL database. Later participation in classified operations has no impact on whether or not a person is listed as a graduate of the training program. There are records of every man who has qualified for the title of “SEAL”; there have been and will continue to be secret missions, but there are NO secret SEALs – we know them all…

    The wearing of the SILVER STAR and PURPLE HEART make this a matter involving the STOLEN VALOR ACT of 2005. If Mr. RATHER is not authorized to wear those two awards, then he is a potentially prosecutable violator of that federal law. …

    Thank you again for your concern in this matter, and for your assistance in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams. If I can be of any further assistance to you in this matter, please contact me at your convenience.

    Respectfully,

    Steve Robinson RM2(SEAL)
    USN 1970-1978
    SEAL Team ONE
    Inshore Undersea Warfare Group ONE
    Defense Analyst ? Soviet Threat specialization 1981-1993
    UDT-SEAL Association – Member
    POW Network Board of Directors
    Naval Special Warfare Archives – SOF Analyst/Contributing Journalist
    Disabled American Veterans – Life Member
    FORMER Special Investigator – SEAL Authentication Team
    CyberSEALs.org – Webmaster
    Author – “NO GUTS, NO GLORY – Unmasking Navy SEAL Imposters”
    Ratley, Gary M.
    aka Gary M. Standing Bear 2003 AND 2004 Eureka Springs AR EXPOSED deceased 2007
    QUESTION EVERYTHING !!!

  33. T1B says:

    The listing on the for his for the Bronze Star and Purple Heart Medals state with “gold and silver stars” for multiple awards of the medals. Unless things were different then, oak eaf clusters – not stars – are the devices used to denote additional awards for both of these medals. Also, the color for a second award would be bronze, not gold.

    Stars are almost exclusively used for campaign medals – a bronze star on the ribbon denoting participation in two campaigns; a silver star denoting five.

  34. Delilah T. says:

    Where did this clowndog retire? Is that info available?

    • Hondo says:

      NA Form 13164 says he left active duty at Great Lakes, Delilah T. I’m presuming that was when he was transferred to the Fleet Reserve. That’s also consistent with his being a resident of Libertyville, IL, in 2007 when he pleaded guilty to insurance fraud, and with other accounts indicating he was working as a civilian at Great Lakes after he left active duty.

    • Delilah T. says:

      And I’ll just bet I know where he has breakfast on Sunday mornings, ’cause they give a discount to AD and retirees.

  35. Jonn Lilyea says:

    PS: You people on Reddit are illiterate morons. He went to the CIA’s BUD/S class? Really, which one was that? Don Shipley says he didn’t go to BUD/S, so he didn’t go to BUD/S – it’s that easy. They put all of his Purple Hearts on one citation because of OpTempo? Over a period of four years they found five minutes to put them all on one? Fucking idiots.

  36. uh1av8r says:

    While not surprised with the documents, the inability for most clerks writing DD-214s and seeing if the pass the smell test does not happen. When leaving from a previous deployment the clerk just asked for my awards and took my word for it. No proof required. I was honest about but I am sure many are not. Especially in the current ” everybody gets a trophy society”. I even saw a National guard retirees USMC discharge that had an obvious Combat Ribbon and Purple Heart added in a different type style and size but took it to the NG and the clerk just added it onto his 214 with no supporting docs. If you really want the true Stolen Valor just look at the Delaware Guards Jack Maslin. You can still fool most of the people all of the time.

    • Hondo says:

      If you’ve got a full name (first/middle/last), POB, DOB, and approximate dates of active duty service – I’ll be happy to file a FOIA on the guy. (SSN works in place of POB and DOB.)

      Disregard – I didn’t initially recognize the name. That’s one of the a-hole phoneys B. G. Burkett outed in his book Stolen Valor.

      • uh1av8r says:

        Hey, I just found my memo awarding me the Good Conduct Medal as a CPT. No shit really. The perscom clerk just added me to it. When incompetence rises to this level I doubt most sources. Whats really amazing is how many still in the service get caught with bad paper, awards, and decorations.. We actually had a CPT get her promotion pic with a combat patch and other bogus awards. I think she thought the board would no catch it and when they did she filed EO complaints against all involved.

        • CLAW131 says:

          Sir,be proud of that GCM. In the words of COL Potter(who did have one),”Patton didn’t have one,McArthur neither” I’m the voice on the intercom from the left gunners well. UH-1 Crew Chief 71-72,Phu Bai,RVN.

  37. ArmyLady says:

    Search for this faker at the VA. Used the information from here. There is no record on this faker. If he claims these Purple Hearts, then he hasn’t gone to VA to get the benefits. Unless this an alias he uses, or served under a different name.

    Is there any other alias for the faker? I would just love to find out and if he is getting VA benefits, have it taken away.

    • GDContractor says:

      While I admire your intent, please tread carefully. You might want to get one of those Lois Lerner Hard Drives… if ya know what I mean.

      As far as chasing down VA fraudsters in general, TAH archives would be the happy hunting grounds, hypothetically speaking.

      • GDContractor says:

        Sometimes the FOIA document includes the service number/serial number of the individual. Not sure if that will help someone doing research.

    • Green Thumb says:

      Who knows? The VA is full of imposters. As they deny real combat Vets claims, they pay posers and legal counsel(s) do their best to hide it.

    • rb325th says:

      I sent you a message via Facebook. It will be in your “other” folder as we are not friends on Facebook. Please read…

      • ArmyLady says:

        Some VA’s who send request to me to upload a vet for service here don’t do their eligibility properly. Been here for 4 years and had to turn down close to 50 “veterans” because they were not eligible for VA care. Just love when I get the calls with people cussing at me cause I did my job right.

        Rb325th..was that directed to me? Add me as a friend if you like. I will check in the other box tonight when I get home.

  38. Grey Rather says:

    There appears to be a great deal of omitted information on your posted. Allow me to clarify several points. During any investigation, such as yours, to accurately ascertain the truth, it requires an accusation by an accuser plus a response by the accused. The following is my explanation:
    1st. The fake SEAL claim. I am not a member of SEAL team, nor have I ever claimed to be. As further proof positive I refer you to your posted picture. There is no Trident (SEAL Team insignia) on my uniform. There is however a USN Scuba pin and a Navy Marine Corps Parachute insignia which I will address later.
    2nd. The issue of the seven Purple Heart awards citation. The representation you’ve shown is not the actual citation. What you have shown is a memorabilia illustration which was given me at my retirement party. I also have similar illustrations for the Silver Star plus Bronze Star. As to the validity of the Purple Hearts, I have individual citations per each incident. The first three were while serving with the Marine Corps which include a severe head wound, shrapnel from a grenade booby trap, and a gunshot wound to the right thigh which required a muscle transplant. Following several months rehabilitation assignment, I returned to Vietnam with the Naval Riverine forces in the Mekong Delta. The mobile riverine forces carried 9th Infantry Army troops throughout the Delta utilizing the extremely narrow rivers and canals to drop them off for ground operations. The rivers proved to be ideal ambush areas for the enemy to fire directly into the boats with B40 rocket propelled grenades. The rockets threw shrapnel throughout the boats wounding almost everyone, Army and Navy men alike. Each of the final four Purple Hearts where produced by this type of shrapnel injury. Usually the injuries were numerous but superficial. Only when the metal shrapnel required medical intervention was a Purple Heart awarded. Hence, three while with the Marine Corp and four while with the Navy riverine forces
    3rd. The Silver Star. This was awarded at the US Naval Hospital, Orlando Florida three years after the incident in an award ceremony by the Commanding Officer, Capt. Powell. I was unaware of an award even being written or submitted. There seems to be questions as to why I was located in the area at the time of the mining of USNS Upshur. Checking on the enclosed page 339, Assignment #2 you will see I was assigned to Military Advisory Command Vietnam (MAC V) Jan.1970. Since this command covered the entire country, I was sent to Qui Nhon as an advisor with the LDNN (Vietnamese EOD/SEAL). My initial responsibility was to facilitate the logistic support. As only one of two Advisors, when the one advisor was out of the area the other totally covered each others responsibilities. When the ship contacted us of questionable floating devices, I was the only advisor available. The Vietnamese (EOD) CPO, a (EOD) PO3 and myself responded (as stated in the citation). The USNS Upshur was carrying Korean troops so I thought the incident would go unnoticed.
    4th. Scuba and Parachute insignias. While stationed in Key West Florida, I was able to convince my Division Officer Lcdr Kenneth Owens and CPO Ralph Tingly to arrange TAD orders to Key West US Navy Diving Training to become scuba qualified. For the parachute training course, while awaiting permanent assignment to Vietnam, I requested and was granted (at my own expense) parachute training at US Army base, Ft. Benning, Ga. and completed the three week course while on personal leave status. Also of note, page 339, Assignment #2, I was transferred to Sub-Unit 1, Ist ANGLICO. (Air and Naval Gunfire Liaison Company) This command required all members be jump and dive qualified. ANGLICA was stationed at MAC V headquarters, Saigon, located on TanSonNhut air base within the Vietnamese Airborne School. This allowed the Americans to parachute as often as we wished, which could be up to 4 – 5 times a day.
    5th and final. Addressed specifically to “Andy FMF. You questioned the use of a ‘neck tourniquet “ This is done by placing two ace bandages along each side of the neck and tighten down directly on the carotid artery. Not as a tourniquet but more of pressure bandage. This technique was routinely taught in Field Medical School in the 1960’s by HMCS Lou LaGerry. I’ve used it twice, once on a Marine and once on a Navy riverboat crewman. Once with success and once unsuccessfully.
    All sarcasm aside, To all your bloggers, before you condemn a person at least have the integrity to contact that person personally. You might find out you are totally mistaken or there are explanations.

    • Toasty Coastie says:

      Nice story there Rather…

      Perhaps you should send verifiable copies to Jonn Lilyea. You can find his contact info at the top of the page. If what you say is true, then that should be no problem. If its not, well guess what Sparkle Pony…you just became a new chew toy.

      • Hondo says:

        Given the man’s past, um, “adventures” in court, TC – I’d not advise holding my breath waiting for documentation. And if he does happen to send something, I’d advise looking very closely at any paperwork he might happen to provide that “backed” his claims.

        • Toasty Coastie says:

          @Hondo~

          Good point. Perhaps he can contact Frank Visconti to help with said documents, Birdrain Bernath to represent him for any more lawsuits or criminal cases and Psulio The Uncoolio Wickre and Cheese Slayer Chevelier/LIAR to do some in depth investigations. The Purple Chicken Clown Dullas Witengenfeld can just be just use as auxiliary entertainment :mrgreen:

        • Capt. Bull Dawg says:

          Those of you that have weighed in with your opinions have absolutely no idea of whom you’re talking about. Upon his transfer out of the US Navy, in 1985 Grey Rather established the National Institute of Allergy, a small medical allergy laboratory. After 20 years in business, he had the opportunity to sell the company and retire. Part of the selling agreement require the residual payments be continued until each patients treatment cycle was completed. The sub-contracted independent billing organization would send the bills to the appropriate insurance company for payment and the collections were then forwarded to Grey Rather’s business account. Over the 20 year period, tens of thousands of appropriate bills were processed in this manner. Unbeknownst to the billing agency or Mr. Rather one patient passed away but bills were processed and paid in error. This claim amounted to two bills in the total amount of $3266. Blue Cross/ Blue Shield of Illinois filed a legal action, charging fraud. When confronted with this, Mr. Rather’s attorney recommended settling the issue immediately but the insurance company refused and the court case proceeded. Rather admitted the mistake, was ordered to pay restitution to the insurance company, given a $350.00 court fine, and placed on 90 days court supervision. Unfortunately this lead to a local newspaper article which is now in the internet realm. This was the entire situation. Not exactly a Bernie Madoff or Al Capone criminal.

          • Eden says:

            He was a fraud before he ever got that far. You’re barking up the wrong tree, “Captain”.

            • Green Thumb says:

              Word.

              The “Captain” above probably pulled young dudes for him in various ports of call.

              Losers of the same stench usually smell the same.

              Just saying.

          • HM A School Instructor says:

            He also applied for a patient administration job at the VA stating he was a in charge of records at HM A School as a contractor. He couldn’t get a security clearance as a contractor so he wasn’t in charge of ANYTHING but lying and wearing fake ribbons.

            • Grey Rather says:

              TO: HM A School Instructor

              In the pusillanimous veil of antimony, the federal law of Pub.L. 93–579, 88 Stat. 1896, enacted December 31, 1974, 5 U.S.C. § 552a is violated. By violating this federal law, the Lovell FHCC, the VA and the USN have been compromised. It is suggested the Lovell FHCC legal department be advised. Once again proving the adage:
              “Give the village idiot enough rope and they always hang themselves.”

              • Ex-PH2 says:

                Wow. So, you’re functionally illiterate, too?
                ‘The pusillanimous veil of antimony’?
                Transliteration: the lazy veil of the chemical element with symbol Sb, used in flameproofing, ceramic enamels, glass and pottery.

                Really, Rather, you should stop your pretenses before you go any further. You’ve already been found out, exposed and determined to be a fraud. I heard about you and your idiotic neck tourniquet thingy when I was at the Naval Regional Medical Center in 1973-74 Philadelphia doing medical photography, you putz.

                You should sober up and find something useful to do with what’s left of your life.

    • GDcontractor says:

      Explanations like Adm. Zumwalt is a time traveler? I like stories.

    • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

      YAPyapyapyapyapyap…

    • NHSparky says:

      That’s an incredible story there. I noticed you hardly stuttered at all.

      The shock treatments seem to be working–up the voltage.

  39. Capt. Bull Dawg says:

    I can no longer sit by and allow the castigation of Master Chief Rather. I have known Master Chief Rather for more than 45 years and can attest to his character throughout most of his military career. I first met HM3 Rather in Vietnam where I was his platoon sergeant. I was with him when he incurred a serious head wound from an NVA mortar round. He volunteered to return to our unit where he again was wounded by a booby trapped grenade fragments. He again returned and volunteered for every patrol, night ambush and combat operations our unit was assigned. Finally, on Operation DeSoto, he was severely wounded for the third time, this time by a 50 caliber round in his right leg. Several years later, we reconnected in Saigon in SubUnit 1, 1st ANGLICO, FMF. He had since been promoted to Chief Petty Officer and I to 1st Lieutenant, O.I.C. of the S-3 division. My responsibility was to coordinate all combat missions for the unit. Again, Chief Rather volunteered of every assignment even thought there were junior corpsmen available for the duty. ANGLICO departed Vietnam on the second to the last official day of the Vietnam War and Chief Rather was transferred to USNH, Orlando, Fla. for a shore duty position. Chief Rather and I later re-assigned at 2nd Reconnaissance Battalion, 2nd Marine Division, Camp LeJeune. I had been promoted to Captain and was a Recon Company Commander. Chief Rather, also while at this assignment was promoted to Senior Chief Petty Officer. Sr. Chief Rather was the chief of the Medical Department and due to his diving qualification was often the Assistant Diving Officer during sub-op training exercises. In May, 1985, I was given the honor as the guest speaker for Master Chief Rather’s retirement ceremony from the Navy. In all the 46 years we have known each other, I can say without equivocation, Grey Rather exudes honor in every respect. Since his retirement, Master Chief Rather was solicited to teach as a contract instructor at the now disestablished Naval Hospital Corps School on the Great Lakes Naval Training Center. He currently volunteers twice a week at a local animal rescue center assisting with the horses and dogs which have been rescued by local authorities. Now at 70 years old, he is totally inactive with all military, all veteran groups, or the local VA hospital.In my opinion Grey Rather is stll the epitome of integrity.

    • Jonn Lilyea says:

      So, you’re willing to vouch for the Special Warfare Badge on his DD214. I mean he admits that he isn’t a SEAL, but there’s the badge right there on his DD214. And, I’m fairly certain that you’re a sockpuppet since you’re using the residential IP address that the fellow identifying himself as Wallace Rather used the other day. Unless you guys are shacked up together.

    • jedipsycho (Certified Space Shuttle Door Gunner) says:

      Wondering if Jonn has had a chance to pull the IP addys of this “supporter.” I’m betting on sock puppet for Capt. Bull Dawg.

      • Jonn Lilyea says:

        Yeah, we fall for that sockpuppet thing every time, no matter how many times they try it. I’m a little embarrassed about that.

        • ChipNASA says:

          more like Capt. Bull Crap.

          /PhD….Piled Higher & Deeper

          • Green Thumb says:

            I remember this turd.

            He appears to have been Commander Phil Monkress’ at All-Points Logistics mentor during Phildo’s younger days.

            You know, like when he went from E-2 to 0-5 overnight? And who needs a Commissioning source, right? They just slow things down!

            This maggot is the one that trained him!

        • jedipsycho (Certified Space Shuttle Door Gunner) says:

          Hey, some of us are just gluttons for punishment!

    • NHSparky says:

      50 caliber round in his right leg

      Okay, now I’m no ballistics expert, but I am staying in a Holiday Inn Express tonight. (No, seriously, I am.)

      I’m gonna take a wild fucking guess here and say that someone who took a .50 round in the leg wouldn’t HAVE a fucking leg when all was said and done.

      Care to dispute? Oh, and when the the NVA/VC ever use .50 cal?

      Yeah, I pretty much stopped reading there, asswipe.

      • 3/17 Air Cav says:

        Spot on, 50 Cal to the leg. Bingo no leg. As for the NVA/ VC using a 50 Cal. They used a 51 Cal. Russian or Chinese made. As I recall the theory was, in a pinch they could use our 50 Cal. Ammunition in their 51 Cal.

        Gotta love these guys and their stupid, unreal, bullshit, war stories!

        • MCPO NYC USN Ret. says:

          Further, the kinetic energy carried in 50 cal would blow the leg off clear up to the chest!

          But what do I know?

          Oh, does he have a limp?

          • 3/17 Air Cav says:

            The barrel alone ways more than 20 pounds! During training at Ft. Lewis, we fired that beast. What were our targets? Refrigerators and car hulks. Went thru them like a hot knife thru butter.

            Fifty cal leg wound my ass!

      • GA_AF_SrA says:

        Even I knew a .50 cal would take off a leg, and I was a GP vehicle mechanic in the Air Force for God’s sake! Do people like this ever take a step back and really think about what they’re writing? It’s completely mental.

    • MCPO NYC USN Ret. says:

      Hey CAPT BULL SCHITZ,

      Have your MCPO buddy contact me.

      Jonn has me POC and he can foward your email.

      I can set this all straight.

      It starts like this:

      BS … Try again!

      A Real MCPO

    • ArmyATC says:

      Unless the guy was sporting a prosthetic leg, he wasn’t hit with that monster round. Saw a single .50 round cut a man in two in Iraq, so just imagine what it would do to a leg. Sounds like complete and utter bullshit to me.

  40. Doc Savage says:

    *Ahem*….This thing on?…*taps mic*

    My name is Doc….and I’m a medic.

    I have had this affliction for over 30 years.

    I might have spent a day or two in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    In all that time I have never seen a .50 cal wound that required the attention of a medic.

    In 99.99% of those cases, the casualty was beyond any medical care….however, it did make for an impressive and gory display of Hollywood Special effects proportions as the unlucky individual in question was turned into large wet airborne chunks of tissue.

    The remaining .01% I observed were victims of butter fingers because they dropped a 50 cal ammo can on their foot.

    care to try again “Ratherbo”?

  41. Brenden McMullen says:

    Please put this phony in the SV Tournament; I’ll do the write up for you!

  42. Grey Rather says:

    John, you were sent the ‘entire’ file proving without a doubt ALL the information you’ve question has now been verified and substantiated. When are you going to provide THAT to your blogger followers?

    • Jonn Lilyea says:

      As I wrote to you in an email, the mountain of useless documents that you provided are insufficient evidence to support your claims. That, and about ten real deal SEALs dispute your account of earning a silver Trident. I’m not arguing with real SEALs, I’d rather take my chances with a pretend SEAL. Also, I told you in the email that since you want to threaten legal retribution, all of your further communications with me should be through my lawyer. His email address is right where you found my snail mail address. Good luck.

      • ChipNASA says:

        Another lying sack of shit that will stick to his lies and take it to the grave.
        there’s no helping some folks.
        Just as Don Shipley said.

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      Rather, you are delusional. Being a compulsive liar is not doing you any good.

      People who KNEW YOU are confirming that you are lying.

      Get some help with your problem.

    • AndyFMF says:

      I’ve heard some amazing stories about “neck tourniquets” and “how Corps School students shouldn’t surprise you because you might hit them in the chest”.

      I also heard stories about service with Recon and SEALS at the same time.

      Comments?

      I’d hate to think that young impressionable Sailors are liars.

  43. 2/17 Air Cav says:

    Nice job Grey. I had forgotten about you. Thanks for the reminder. If any docs proved your claims, Jonn couldn’t get them posted here fast enough, silly fellow. If he says the emailed docs were insufficient, they were likely woefully insufficient. Most every bullshitter and false claimant builds the bullshit on some truth. You would not believe the number of people who actually served, some in a combat theater, others with enviable records, who decided their true record was lacking the wow-he’s-a-freakin-hero factor…and then set about falsely creating just that. They are sorry bastards, don’t you agree?

  44. Green Thumb says:

    This dude works balls.

    Seven sets at one time, no less.

    Just an old, gnarly shitbag.

    • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

      I’m sure he does tricks for winos behind bus stops in the seedy sections of his town as well.

      • Green Thumb says:

        I can only imagine he will be hanging out with the “Retirement Version” of the DRC soon.

        Kirjath Toney and the likes.

        Old shitbags.

  45. Jonn Lilyea says:

    Yeah, he sent me medical records to “prove” the Purple Heart claims. He had the medical records, but no orders or citations. I think he was trying to trick me into a HIPAA violation. However, all of his medical records were destroyed in my fireplace, so he can’t get me that way.

    • Silentium Est Aureum says:

      Because no medical types have ever falsified a record…

    • TheCloser says:

      Makes one wonder what sort of falsified records may have influenced CPO/SCPO/MCPO Boards to promote this guy.

    • HMCS (FMF) ret. says:

      Better watch out, Jonn – he may send his buttbuddy Capt. Bullshit Dog after you for destroying the records of a friend that he has known for 45 years…a fried with “integrity”.

      TheCloser – it wouldn’t surprise me if the assclown passed of some of his “records” to the CPO/SCPO/MCPO boards to help get selected… I would have thought that CPO initiation would have pulled his head out of his ass and taught his about HONOR. Must have gone to MickeyD’s for his E-7 “initiation (complete with the singing of Kumbaya)

      There are a couple of people that have posted here that I personally know (and served with as instructors at HM “A” School) – if they are calling this turd out as a liar, that’s good enough for me…

  46. Khermey says:

    I reported to 2nd Recon as “Wally” was leaving. I heard the stories about how a BAS corpsman at Wally’s direction, falsified wally’s records…Something about a BS from Coastal Carolina and Mary’s medical records to support her claim against an insurance company.

    I went AWOL from Recon Bn and foolishly spoke with “Wally” while awaiting my SPCM. I almost had the case won and then Wally called the command and ratted me out. So much for trust. Did two months in the brig. Wally had a hand in that. 9 years later I was initiated a CPO.

    PBMF, Wally. Took 36 years, but you’re getting yours. Finally. Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving fellow.

    • Grey Rather says:

      to: Khermey
      I don’t know who you are and have no memory of the incident you refer too. BUT I do know that a Chief, or at least any responsible Chief, would Never, ever aided or tolerate a scumbag AWOL lowlife in their unit and would immediately turn them over to the authorities. Obviously, that was the case. The one and only similar incident which occurred while I was at 2nd Recon, was a “Faggot, Maggot”, was outted (ratted out) by the Marines as a homosexual. While awaiting his NJP, he ran and went AWOL. When captured about six months later, he too was awarded 2 months in the brig and discharged with an ‘other than honorable discharge’ That is the only incident when a corpsman from 2nd Recon went AWOL during my tenure. But, based on your story, you stayed in the Navy and were ultimately promoted to CPO yourself. If in fact your story is true and honest, then the punishment of 2 months brig time must have been the motivating factor to have gotten your head out of your ass and put on a positive career track. If that’s case, then; “you are welcome”. I do however commend you on at least having the testicles to identify yourself. Your blogger buddies obviously lack your courage and hid behind a veil of antimony and spew their tripe, misguided as it is.

      • Hondo says:

        Thus speaks the man reportedly convicted of insurance fraud. You can trust everything he says as Gospel truth!

        • HMCS (FMF) ret. says:

          Better watch out, Hondo… he’ll either use that sekrit skwillr training as a “CIA-trained” SEAL to find you or send his anal buttsekks buttbuddy “Capt. Bullshit Dogfucker” out to get you.

          Hell, it’s pretty bad when your kin even dime your ass out as a liar… and Rather is still stuck on fucking stupid with his BS, as seen as his post bringing this Zombie thread back to live one more time

      • Ex-PH2 says:

        Hey, Rather, you stupid ass, learn what words mean, will you?

        As I pointed out above, antimony is a metallic element used in glass, enamel ceramics, etc., etc., etc.

        Get a dictionary, you moron.

        • GDContractor says:

          I bought my veil of antimony in SWEADEN.

        • HMCS (FMF) ret. says:

          Better watch it, Ex-PH2… he may go Bernath on you for correcting him on his obvious lack of acumen when it comes to the English language.

          • Ex-PH2 says:

            Well, frankly, Senior Chief, I don’t think I’d trust him to remove a splinter from my thumb.

        • Wallace Rather says:

          You got me. You’ve proven your smarter than my spell check

          • Ex-PH2 says:

            Spell check? Oh, lawsy me, your reading comprehension is sadly lacking, Toots!

            FYI, ‘antimony’ is correctly spelled.

            It is the wrong WORD to use, you sap.

            Try harder. And you used to teach classes at NAVSTA GLAKES, huh? In what? Window dressing?

      • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

        *YAWN* Hey Rather, anyone who told you to be yourself COULD NOT HAVE given you worse advice! Don’t you realize that there are enough people to hate in the world already without your working so hard to give us another?

      • Green Thumb says:

        “Rather” a shitbag, would you not say?

  47. Marine_7002 says:

    Rather, when all is said and done, the records still show that you have a solid track record of being a fucking liar. You’ll take that to your grave no matter how much you whine, no matter how many documents you falsify. I just hope that you have just enough integrity left that you ensure when you do die, your head stone does not show the bogus awards that you claim.

    • Jonn Lilyea says:

      His troubles aren’t over – you heard it here first.

      • HMCS (FMF) ret. says:

        Oh, SNAP!!! Sounds like THE TAH PAIN TRAIN is coming for someone!!! You done fucked the hell up when Jonn starts channeling his “inner Terry Tate”

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3QP1kYWuMI

        DA PAIN TRAIN IS COMIN’, BYTCH!!!

        • Sarc88 says:

          Nothing would make me happier than for him to inherit the bad karma he continues to invest in. I can’t believe he’s checking in regularly to see if we’ve magically changed our tune.

          Hey Grey – I DONE TOLD YEWWW to take off my Recon badges, faker!

          Lovingly,
          Sarc88
          HMCS(DV/FPJ/FMF) USN Ret

  48. Green Thumb says:

    Another day and this dude is still an old, gnarly turd.