Jack Pratt; another phony Vietnam veteran mayor

| May 13, 2015

Jack Pratt

MrBill sends us a link to the San Antonio Express News that tells the story of Jack Pratt, Junior, the mayor of Kerrville who won his office proclaiming that he was 4-tour Vietnam Special Forces veteran. He started telling that tale more than three years ago. Folks started wondering about it recently, and so they got a FOIA:

His military records indicate he spent nearly eight years in the Army but just seven weeks in Vietnam as a personnel supervisor before leaving the service as a staff sergeant in 1971.

[…]

Pratt, 73, denied that he embellished his resume but declined to provide documents to substantiate his claimed achievements.

“I’m not going to help you with any of this because you’re trying to crucify me,” he said last week. “I don’t need to confirm my personal history.”

[…]

National Personnel Records Center documents say Pratt was a radio operator in Germany in 1964, a personnel sergeant in Thailand from 1967 to 1969 and in Vietnam from May 25 to July 15, 1971.

Pratt blames politics for the sudden scrutiny – but you know, if I was running for office and one of the reasons I was telling voters that they should vote for me is because of my military service, I’d have documentation in my pocket – and I’d make sure the NPRC has everything correct. The last thing I’d do is drag this thing out.

But, Jack Pratt appears to be nothing more than another Flemron Dickey – it looks like he has also embellished his education credentials and his work experience, as well as his career as a personal clerk that morphed into a Special Forces killer dude and seven weeks became four years. By the way, Kerrville, speaking from experience, the first thing the phonies do is blame the military’s record-keeping. The second thing they do is blame politics (or some other haters) for the sudden scrutiny. They never provide documentation to exonerate themselves (so you look like you’re on a witch hunt). They always keep digging hoping you’ll get tired of beating a dead horse before they get tired of digging.

Our friends at Special Forces Poser Patrol have his records;

Jack Pratt FOIA1a

Jack Pratt Assignments

A real veteran whose records had been screwed up would show you the documents right now to exonerate him – a phony will tell you that an ex-wife burned them, or that a flood a few years back washed them away. An honorable phony (there are a few) would admit that they lied and apologize right now.

Category: Phony soldiers

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  1. ChipNASA says:

    Just like John Spodofora.
    Asshole.

  2. Kinda old ET1 says:

    Looks like this turd wants to go the beating a dead horse route. Good luck with that.

  3. MCPO NYC USN Ret. says:

    POS with extra sauce and garlic please!

  4. sj says:

    Wonder if he patrolled with SluRrRpPPComMeTh?

    • HMCS(FMF) ret. says:

      Probably did… doing rumpriding recon missions looking for Ho Chi Minh’s jockstrap.

  5. 2/17 Air Cav says:

    “An anti-drug initiative called D-FY-IT that Pratt launched in 1992, dissolved in 2008, state records show. Pratt still maintains a website for it (www.d-fy-it.org), which actively solicits donations to be sent to a Kerrville post office box. Pratt wouldn’t say why he’s still seeking donations, or what he does with any money collected. He said he keeps the site up to show others how to form such an organization.”
    I see. That’s interesting.

    “Pratt spoke of multiple tours in Vietnam with U.S. Special Forces in a candidate forum that year…”

    So, that kills the aide made a mistake or supporters were overzealous lines of bullshit.

    • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

      Oooh, deniability GONE!!! 😈

    • clamsgotlegs says:

      The IRS might find that interesting too. Just sayin’

    • GDContractor says:

      “He said he keeps the site up to show others how to form such an organization.”

      Yeah, that whole site could be hosted on a floppy disk. I am sure his web expertise is in high demand.

  6. A Proud Infidel®™ says:

    AGAIN? When his time comes, may he spend eternity in HELL chained to my ex-wife while “Hanoi Jane” Fonda and Helen Thomas take turns giving it to him with a concertina wire-tipped strap-on!!!

  7. Ex-PH2 says:

    Oh, I see. A clone of the Daley clan, Mayor Rahmbo, etc. Yes, keep that shit up, Mr. Mayor. Here’s what I think of it:

    😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛

  8. Nicki says:

    Yet another fucking turd in the turdalanche. I’m just too angry today to have to deal with this bullshit.

    • O-4E says:

      “Turdalanche”-> add to dictionary -> Click!

      • Hondo says:

        May I also suggest the term coined by the late Kurt Vonnegut in Cat’s Cradle: “pool-pah”.

        The term translates, depending on context, as either “wrath of God” or “sh!t storm” – which, when you think about it, are at least arguably two ways of expressing the same concept. (smile) The latter definition may be a good fit for the current faker glut.

  9. Arby says:

    There seems to have been quite a spate of these a**holes lately. What’s the running total for the competition next March? How many of the 64 berths are left?

  10. B Woodman says:

    “Jack Pratt could eat no fat,
    His wife could eat no lean,
    And so between them both,
    They licked the platter clean.”

  11. JMW3CC says:

    Did he retype his 2-1? Seems he went to basic, then OCS a year later and then because a personnel specialist a year later and at a higher pay grade. Two years four months and he’s in a SFC position. Back in the 60’s, didn’t you have to go to Fort Benjamin Harrison to become a personnel specialist. He has enroute to other locations on the 2-1. Something just seems wrong on the form. 214 says he was discharged as an E6 and even back then there was an obligation of 365 days upon assignment to Vietnam. Why would he be sent only for seven weeks? He wouldn’t have 1 silver star and 2 bronze stars on his Vietnam service medal either, that means he participated in seven campaigns.

    • CLAW131 says:

      I am not in anyway shape or form defending this guy,but:

      71F, 71L, and 71H are all MOS’s than can be awarded based on OJT (On the Job Training).

      The 365 days (12 month tour) requirement went out the window during the massive forces drawdown time in RVN. Not saying there was something kind of goofy in relation to only seven weeks in country, but he was a personnel/admin guy, so he may have typed up his own Hardship Discharge and played the system.(smile)

      The Siver and Bronze Service Stars for the Vietnam Service Medal take into account the two years he spent in Thailand. Although he was not physically boots on ground in Vietnam, campaigns that occurred count toward service stars for overall theater operations.

      Yeah, he’s quite the embellisher when it comes to touting “four tours” with Special Forces.

      • JMW3CC says:

        Based on his time in Thailand and the seven weeks in Vietnam, he was there during seven campaigns then.

        • CC Senor says:

          That’s about right. His Thailand tour covers most of my first two RVN tours (six month break) and I got credit for six campaigns. Post Tet, it seemed like there was a new campaign every couple of months (Tet Counter Offensive pick a number).

        • Hondo says:

          I think he’s eligible for 9 campaign stars, actually.

          This guy served in Thailand from 27 Sep 1967 – 15 Oct 1969 (inclusive). He then served in Vietnam from 25 May – 15 Jul 1971. Here are the recognized Vietnam campaigns during those periods; one day’s service during a qualifying period is all that’s required to qualify for the campaign star for that campaign.

          Thailand
          Vietnam Counteroffensive III (1 June 1967 – 29 Jan 1968)
          TET Counteroffensive (30 Jan – 1 Apr 1968)
          Vietnam Counteroffensive IV (2 Apr – 30 Jun 1968)
          Vietnam Counteroffensive V (1 July – 1 Nov 1968)
          Vietnam Counteroffensive VI (2 Nov 1968 – 22 Feb 1969)
          TET 69 Counteroffensive (23 Feb – 8 Jun 1969)
          Vietnam Summer-Fall 1969 (9 Jun – 31 Oct 1969)

          Vietnam
          Vietnam Counteroffensive VII (1 Jul 1970 – 30 Jun 1971)
          Consolidation I (1 Jul – 30 Nov 1971)

          By my count, he served in the VSM area of eligibility during 9 recognized Vietnam campaigns – not 7. Looks to me like the individual preparing his FOIA reply at NPRC only counted the 7 from his time in Thailand and missed the two from his “short tour” in Vietnam in 1971.

          He’s still a LSoS. None of those assignments were to an SF unit.

      • Steve Weeks says:

        You are correct, as I was promoted to 71L20 on the job.

    • cakmakli says:

      Like CLAW131 says you used to be able to get awarded MOS’s through OJT. Because I could type I was made the unit clerk of my unit at Polk in 85. After 90 days they cut me orders awarding me the 71L10 as a secondary.

  12. Bobo says:

    Why would the Army send him to Vietnam from Ft. Sam Houston for a 6 week tour? I can’t imagine that there was such a shortage of 71Hs that they had to go all the way back to BAMC to get one.

    Also, I see that he managed to spend about 6 months at OCS and come right back as a 71H. Any idea how tough it was to get commissioned through OCS in 1964?

    • ChipNASA says:

      My first thought was, “Wouldn’t it already take a few DAYS just to get there?!”
      Shoot, leave the U.S and it’s be a week before you were in country and situated and have a bunk and been inprocessed and then a few weeks later yo0u’re outprocessing and then it takes days to get back?
      “Odd” just doesn’t cut it.

      • CC Senor says:

        It’s possible he may have been med evaced for non combat related reasons. We had an NCO that didn’t last a week because he fell off the duck boards and broke his ankle so badly they couldn’t mend it in country. No PH but he would have qualified for the campaign medal and one star.

  13. SFC D says:

    Say goodnight, Dick

  14. nbcguy54ACTUAL says:

    This one’s close. I might have to have some fun with this guy…

  15. GDContractor says:

    Thailand, Germany, radio operator? I wonder if he’s been eating J. Max Taylor aka Iceman’s sticky bums.

  16. David says:

    I know promotions were faster during Vietnam… seems to me about ’77 they changed TIS for secondary zone for E5 from 2 years to 3 and for E-6 from 3 years to 5 – so being in an E-7 slot as fast as he was is possible. What I am noticing is that it shows OCS as 7 months between changes? Back then it was a 3 month course, aka 90 day wonders/shake ‘n bakes, wasn’t it? And how does he show a GCM with two ‘loops’ at 8 years and change? I think that is a hard and fast 3 years per. Just little things but coupled with the other inconsistencies, makes this look a little dicey. Someone better at admin, help!

  17. Jonn Lilyea says:

    I think OCS cadre ran a 90-day shake and bake school for the NCOs in those days. You graduated as an E-6 regardless of the rank you held when you entered the course.

  18. HMCS(FMF) ret. says:

    According to the SA Express News, Rump rider/Rice Paddy Daddy wannabe is trying to clean up his “business website”

    http://jack-pratt.com/default.aspx

    Also making some other claims that have people in Kerrville thing that they elected a turd in 2012.

  19. Green Thumb says:

    What a shitbag.

    When he is finally voted out or tossed out of office, which ever comes first, he can head over to Houston and assume control of APL’s Houston Operations.

  20. JohnE says:

    I constantly wonder what these idiots think when they see other poseurs getting outed…one would think they would take warning and cease and desist…

    • HMCS(FMF) ret. says:

      Nah… they think that they’re so much smarter that the other poser assholes that they’ll never get caught.

    • Hack Stone says:

      They are playing the odds. The State Trooper can’t pull all of the speeders over, so someone has to be the patsy while everyone else zooms along at 80 MPH. Same concept here.

      • JohnE says:

        I think you are both right…I am consistently saddened, angered and disappointed by these idiots…

  21. Don Benefiel says:

    Why do people who actually served feel the need to embellish their service ? Be proud that you served and leave it at that !

  22. Hondo says:

    Looking at the guy’s records, it appears he didn’t make it thru OCS (after spending a looong time there), then spent much of the rest of his career as a personnel type in Army medical units. (Edited to add: I guess it’s also possible he declined to accept or was denied a commission for some reason after successfully completing OCS.)

    His time in Thailand was at the 5th Field Hospital – which was in Bangkok. Yeah, I can see why he might have decided to extend for a year. That was “real hardship duty”. And nothing says “SF material” like being a Personnel NCO in a Field Hospital located in Bangkok, right?

    I do have to wonder what happened to get him sent home from Vietnam that quickly – and discharged so soon after returning. I doubt the Army would have sent him with less than 90 days remaining until ETS, so I’m guessing either had enough time left on his enlistment to finish his anticipated tour or extended. But he was discharged 2 weeks and change after leaving Vietnam – after spending only about 7 weeks in country. That combination seems . . . rather odd.

    • HMCS(FMF) ret. says:

      What’s the capital of Thailand?

      • Hondo says:

        I’ll let Mr. Head answer that question. (smile)

        Or maybe that’s a few of Pratt’s amateur movies of his two years there. (smile)

    • 3/17 Air Cav says:

      HONDO…….my older brother served in the Air Force in Thailand 67-68 as a crew chief on a Huey. After we were both discharged, I gave him all kinds of grief about his “hardship” tour” he served four years, me one year five months, him E-4, me E-5. I could really piss him off when I told him to get on down and give 30 push-ups. Then laugh my ass off!

  23. Dalton Coldiron says:

    Nothing I hate more than a phony Ranger or SF.

    • Skippy says:

      Hang around… I’m losing count.
      Somebody recently let off a bug bomb. And the roaches have them coming out like… Well I’ll keep that one too myself LMAO !!!!!

    • Hondo says:

      Yeah? How about you tell us another whopper, Pinocchio. Or should I say bunni-boi? Or washout?

      • Skippy says:

        Hondo what is a bunni-boi ?????? I’ve googled it and it’s either a odd Japanese Toy or a pick-up line on a gay or singles chat room ???? I’m a little confused

        • GDContractor says:

          Oh Skippy….you might live to regret that question. Look at the picture here.http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=36932
          Have eye bleach at the ready!

          • Skippy says:

            Yeh after running the name, 🙁 I figured it out. I’ve ice picked and bleached me eyes, I’m going to have to do some homework here on articles from back before, I bumped on this blog full-time. One of my buddy’s on the FB side told me to do stairclimbers but since I can’t do that I’ll go and pick up some Dog crap in the front yard… 🙂

            • Green Thumb says:

              I refer to it as having a little Phil Monkress in the front yard.

              • Skippy says:

                No not a little a lot Lol…. 🙂 But thanks to my old popper picker upper. Those monkyasses make it to their new home…. LMAO !!!!!!

      • Skippy says:

        I figured it out… And believe me I’m shitting my pantaloons holy crap :/

  24. rgr1480 says:

    I was in Bangkok from 1968-1970 and LET ME TELL YOU it was TOUGH! That “field hospital” might have been the one way down on Sukumvit Road (US hospital) that I visited a few times. Nothing “field” about it at all — concrete building, running hot & cold water. Even had High School “Candy-Stripers” volunteering there; one of my friends was one. Poor girl was distraught because the GIs would propose marriage. (She grew up and became a well-known pediatrician in Alaska). But I digress…..

    BANGKOK! Tough tour. In town, regular haircuts were 5 Baht (25¢); SPECIAL haircuts (behind closed doors in a nice chair) cost 100B (5$). Though in high school …. (do I rate any service stars for being incountry?) — I used to wonder why on earth anyone would pay $5 for a haircut!!!!! [Yes, I was pretty naïve then.]

    OOH! OOH! How we’d laugh at the GIs on R&R at Pattaya Beach with bar-girls on their arms. We’d say to each other: “Geeze! Doesn’t he know she’s a WHORE????” Then laugh at him. How little we knew … A friend said, “He works for the Railroad …. laying Thais.”

    Saw a GI with the “100-yard stare” sitting in the Pattaya rec center … just staring. And staring. My friends and I got a laugh out of it for a full year. How little we knew …..

    Yeah — I was stupid then and sure as hell didn’t understand.

    Bangkok was a rough tour. Never mind that we had two maids, a cook, and a regimental sergeant as my dad’s driver. Never mind that $5 would last all week for bus, taxi, samlor rides, noodles, fried rice, and a movie date.

    Why was it tough? Because my allowance was $5 and my girlfriend’s was $25.

    Still …. it was a tough tour.

    (^___^)

    • HMCS(FMF) ret. says:

      Special haircuts… I bet the involved the ancient oriental practice of “sensation”, right???

      Stationed at USNH Subic Bay from 84-86… know all about that.

    • ChipNASA says:

      I don’t know *how* you weren’t awarded a Purple Heart for that.
      😀
      🙄

    • Skippy says:

      Would that be sulky Fuky me rove uuu rong Tyne ?????

      • 3/17 Air Cav says:

        Phu Loi, Vietnam 1971……..our flight line was just across the street from the “Steam and Cream! You could slide out of the operation shack, cross the road, get a real haircut. Then slide into the steam and cream for a steam bath followed by a massage! Then slide back over to the flight line for the next mission. Gotta tell you, thank god my 60 was on a mount. I don’t think I could have lifted it free hand!

        • Skippy says:

          I’ve grew up knowing that all and I mean all of my uncles, Dad, and step Dad, served over in Vietnam some of the story’s I did not quite understand, when I enlisted my uncle Gary and Skip at a welcome home event unloaded a lot of experience to me the just blew me away !!!!! The bad, and most of all the Good…. I’m so damn thankful that I did not have to get a shot for swimming in rouge Pools Lol…. And the Damn issues you joes had with that damn jungle rot… My uncle Gary would talk about the tunnels he had to crawl down. I would have blown the fuckers up… But I’m rambling.ill shut my trap. 🙂

    • David says:

      kinda like going to Taiwan and looking for the barbershops with tinted windows and a green stripe on the striped pole. Get both heads worked on.

  25. 2/17 Air Cav says:

    “Pratt blames politics for the sudden scrutiny…” So? What the hell kind of defense is that, anyway? Every politician who gets caught at one thing or another points to that, as if it were a schoolyard tussle and “It’s just kids being kids.” Or how about this beauty–“I will not dignify that with a response.” I love it when I hear that one. It’s taking the 5th without sounding like you have something to hide–such as the truth. Lastly, there’s the up-against-wall-flat-out denial and “I look forward to having my day in court!” Yep, that works right up until the foreman turns in the jury’s verdict.

  26. Green Thumb says:

    Jack Pratt could eat no fat.

    His buddy, Paul-mer (of the Ballack), could eat no lean.

    And so between them both, you see,

    They licked Phildo’s two-hole clean!

  27. Tony says:

    I remember Pratt from the 5th Field Hospital in Bangkok. He said that the reason he didn’t receive a commissioned after OCS was that he had a stack of unpaid traffic tickets.

  28. Jon Pratt says:

    I’m surprised that this Pratt, as well as the other one, haven’t tried claiming “They named Pratt Street on Fort Bragg after me.” … fucking tools. As a recently separated veteran, it makes me sick to share their last name