The Burns, Oregon standoff; you’re judged by your company

| January 4, 2016 | 85 Comments

Ryan Payne

I’ve been fairly busy this morning taking calls and emails from the media on this standoff just south of Burns, Oregon. Of course, the media wants to talk about Ryan Payne, Blaine Cooper, Jon Ritzheimer. I’m more than happy to help the media get the story right, and, as many of you already know, I have a real hard-on for these Oathkeeper and militia types. They are rife with phonies and they generally present an image of veterans that is not at all flattering.

But, see here’s the thing – where was the media’s concern in regards to all of the Occupy Wall Street phonies that we busted? Like Jay Polk the “retired Special Forces Master Sergeant” that fooled the media and the occupiers into believing that he’d been killed on a secret mission to Syria. I spent weeks trying to get the local San Diego medias attention, not even a nibble.

I’ll tell you a secret – I think the Hammonds got a raw deal from the government. I don’t think they should be in prison. However, I am loathe to associate myself with those clowns who took over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge building. If anything, they’re forcing the prosecutor and the judicial system to enforce the Hammonds’ imprisonment. If they were considering any leniency, that possibility has evaporated lest the prosecutors look like the militias are having an impact on their decision.

It doesn’t help that many residents of Burns don’t want them there, including the Hammonds. Especially when you have people like Ammon Bundy making proclamations about how they’re willing to die and to kill federal officers to remain on Federal land. When you have people like felon Blaine Cooper in the wings, you’re not doing yourselves any favors, either. I haven’t seen any of the guys from Josephine County Oathkeepers like Joe Rice there yet, but I’m sure they’re around there somewhere – too much media in the area for them to ignore it.

Honestly, I hope this turns out better for the Hammonds that it looks like it will right now. But as long as these phonies in their multi-cam intimidation suits and their low drag gear are hanging on to the issue, I don’t think it will help the Hammonds much at all.

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  1. Skippy says:

    Here we go again

    • desert says:

      I have to tell you, there are a lot of GOOD men out there and to let the stinking lying media pick out a couple of phony fruitcakes and draw the same picture around the rest is BULLSHYT!

      • SFC D says:

        When good men mingle with phonies and assholes and let the phonies and assholes take charge, they become phonies and assholes. A man is known by the company he keeps.

        Here ended the lesson.

        • Skippy says:

          And that would be the way I was taught too…
          you are what you socialize with
          Weather you like it or not…
          There is no doubt in my mind that the Feds love to overstep there boundaries it’s sickening but the ballot box works. Look at cantor from
          Virginia nobody thought in a hundred years he would lose his seat but he did

  2. Pinto Nag says:

    Land disputes in the West are very real, particularly when range rights are involved. If you want to see 19th century politics in action, just try grazing your cow and see what happens.

  3. R0gu3patri0t says:

    Joe rice was on KMED this morning doing an interview, he is in Burns but like the Oregon 3% is staying away from the occupation, they can’t really take too much more negative publicity. Oddly enough both the Oregon oathkeepers and JoCo oathkeepers FB and websites have been erily quiet since last summer’s mine incident.

  4. Hondo says:

    And the real irony here is that the Hammonds (1) plan today to peacefully report to finish their sentences, and (2) have indicated they don’t want these tools’ support.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/oregon-ranchers-reject-cliven-bundy-family-occupation/

    • Cortillaen says:

      While the occupation routine seems like the wrong way to approach the situation, it doesn’t change the situation, that members of a federal agency have pursued a years-long vendetta against the Hammonds family. Their sentence came from a show-trial on utterly absurd charges, and it was retroactively (!) extended three years after the Hammonds served the original, still preposterous, sentence.

      The whole situation reeks of abuse of power. It’s a hell of a lot more than a mere raw deal. I may not agree with the actions of these militia goofs, but I fully understand why they feel the need to do something. How is one supposed to respond when members of our government’s sprawling bureaucracy want to play god with their power over other citizens? What is the proper recourse when those citizens are the target of a vendetta and denied their constitutional right to redress, or even recognition, of grievances?

      • streetsweeper says:

        Don’t know about you but, where I come from when someone tells you to butt out, they mean it…

        • Cortillaen says:

          Has the family asked *everyone* to pretend they aren’t being wrongly steamrolled, or have they just told the dopes to quit making things worse? There’s a pretty big difference, and I’ve only seen the latter.

          Again, I don’t agree with what the yahoos are doing, but I also don’t agree that sitting on one’s thumbs and watching a family get used and abused by the almighty federal monstrosity is the right response. The two issues are being falsely tied together here: The idiots going cowboy is one thing, but them choosing a wrong way to protest doesn’t mean no protest is warranted.

  5. OldSoldier54 says:

    Like the Black Lives Matter thing, these OK guys are just shooting themselves in the foot, IMO.

  6. Fish says:

    Jonn, small grammar note, the town is Burns, not Burn.

  7. A Proud Infidel®™ says:

    Attention whores dressed out like GEARDOs. Yeah, they’re doing wonders for their image, I wonder just how much the DNC Pravda media is going to associate those booger-eating bedwetting thumbsuckers with legit ME Vets?

  8. Twist says:

    The douche bag in the picture above is on Fox news right now. He is standing in his clown suit behind the guy talking to the media.

  9. Ex-PH2 says:

    Where’s the drama queen pointing his antenna this time?

    Someone needs to turn the firehoses on these clowns. Especially now. The weather’s COLD!

    • Hondo says:

      Cutting the utility feeds (gas/electricity/water) to the property in question might have much the same effect.

      Even if they have a well on-site. I’m guessing there’s no hand pump. And I’m also guessing there’s not a huge fuel tank for any on-site generator or heating plant, either.

    • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

      I give ’em two weeks MAX, I think those tinfoil-heads will either run out of supplies and give up or they’ll just slither off as soon as they think they’re no longer getting the attention they crave from the snooze media! Hell, cut them off from pizza and doughnut deliveries and they might not last a week!

  10. Robert says:

    Maureen Peltier, a Washington Army National Guard staff sergeant and member of the so-called patriot movement, told The Oregonian that some in the group were armed and others were not.

    http://www.kgw.com/news/oregon-militia-siege-how-did-we-get-here/10786279

  11. CAARNG 68W says:

    I never bothered to watch bald ass hole/jerk off Jon Ritzheimer’s tearful goodbye video, but from a brief screen shot I can tell that the Constitution he’s holding up you can buy on Amazon for $1

  12. Jarhead says:

    You know, properly announced, most all of us might have had at least a passing interest in this story. But with the two heading to jail on their own and not seeking the assistance of these 20 dudes, that kind of dilutes the interest.
    Now if some of their reps (of the 20) think they can solicit at least a listening ear, yesterday’s rants by two of them did them no service. ESPECIALLY the retard calling us names. WAAAAAAYYYY out of his league to insult posters on this site and not expect verbal bricks back in the face. Idiot insulting as he was, and thinking he could make a point, he’d just as well shit on a rattle snake’s head before it strikes. This is a civilized crowd posting, but we do NOT take any of his bullshit lightly. Damned right we will stand up and pitch his own garbage right back at him with no sympathy.
    That’s the trouble with groups like this. It’s like a mosquito running up an elephant’s ass with intent to rape. They might just as well have had Pee Wee Herman as their spokesman.
    With the “Shithouse 20” standing their ground at this time of year, it won’t last long. Stay as long as you like, fellas. Nobody here going to miss the use of that building for quite some time. You could have accomplished the same thing by surrounding a cactus plant. Don’t you know a PLAN in hand can get you there faster than unbridled chaos? What’s next? One of them coming up with a Bat Man or Spidey Man suit? Being out there without a cause makes a lot of sense supporting folks who don’t want your help. In time maybe they’ll form a band such as Queen ll or maybe the Unwashed Village People Dirty Butts.

    • Jarhead says:

      The more I thought about the personal attack by the typewriter warriors against those on this site; there was ONLY one paper commando sin to commit that would have been worse. That would have been for them to piss in Don Shipley’s porridge. F’ng WW Three in ten seconds flat! Send the Charmin, no enemas needed.

  13. W2 says:

    Screw these nitwits. That Ryan Payne sure looks like a badass though.

  14. Jonn Lilyea says:

    Since most of you don’t normally read the Washington Post….

  15. cato says:

    Government harassment, intimidation and prosecution is way overboard (yet appears to be prevalent in many govt. agencies). The Hammonds should have never been targets of the bureaucrats of BLM from the beginning.
    Will the BIG Government bureau of land management assholes be reigned in?
    Very Doubtful. Better get used to it.

    • OSC(SW) Retired says:

      They started 3 illegal fires on federal land. They admit that two of the fires may have endangered campers in 2001 and fire fighters in 2006. The 2001 fire was started to cover up evidence of their poaching on federal lands.

      The younger Hammond, with his father’s full knowledge and consent, also sandpapered his nephews chest to remove some initials the kid carved into himself with a paper clip.

      These are not nice friendly country folk just trying to be left alone. I hate minimum mandatory sentencing, but I have no sympathy for these two butt plugs.

  16. Robert says:

    I wonder what her chain of command thinks about this…Washington National Guard Member Finds Common Ground With Armed Occupiers

    http://nwnewsnetwork.org/post/washington-national-guard-member-finds-common-ground-armed-occupiers

  17. pj says:

    You know, I like you. I’ve known about your website and mission ever since trying to figure out if a scummy former boss of mine’s lying extended to his alleged military career. I think you do good work.

    But when you think two wildlife poaching, child abusing, hillbillies got the short end of the stick as far as actually receiving one of the few mandatory minimum sentencing penalties being enforced in recent history when it comes to morons destroying/defacing public lands and wildlife? I tend to form the opinion you’re a moron.

    Disappointing. ):

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      What on earth are you talking about?

      • Pinto Nag says:

        I’m sure he has no idea WHAT he’s talking about.

      • jonp says:

        The Feds accused the Hammonds of setting the fire to cover up an illegal poaching operation on the Wildlife Refuge. The Feds went after them under a law passed after OKC which was Terrorism. Of the rest, IDK.

        The Hammonds if i get it right claim they were setting a backfire to try and save their cows and buildings after the Feds set a fire on the refuge. Their fire got out of control and burned about 140 acres on the refuge. Anyone think 6yrs or so in the slammer a little much for an out of control grassfire that burned 140 acres?

        Sounds to me like the Feds want the Hammonds land to add to the refuge and the Hammmonds are not leaving so they are going to get hammered until they do.

        • Hondo says:

          Multiple fires, actually, on at least two different occasions.

          Commenter “MrBill” linked to a great article summarizing the case in comments to Jonn’s earlier article about the standoff. You might want to read that, along with the legal documents I linked in comments there (the appeal decision and the sentencing hearing transcript).

          The Hammonds are indeed be getting royally hammered, and it’s arguable whether or not their sentence is “too strict”. But 5 years (not 6) is the mandatory minimum under Federal law for the crime of which they were convicted: deliberate arson of Federal property, 18 USC 844(f)(1). They’re also getting credit for time previously served.

          As I’ve said previously: in the western US, wildfire is – to paraphrase the current VP – a “big (freaking) deal”. Having lived in the western US for a number of years, I don’t have any problem with someone convicted of deliberately setting a wildfire doing felony time.

  18. pj says:

    *…moron, too.

    (: Moderate or don’t, it makes no difference to me. All that matters is you read my words.

  19. George May says:

    Compare this “occupy” to the “occupy wall street” and “black lives matter” gangs. And then see which side the government controlling media and legal system supports and “why.” The Muslim in the White House is looking for another big incident to justify his anti-constitutional “gun control” mania by overriding Congress and states rights. Don’t be a sucker and side with the brainwashed Feds by “bad-mouthing” Americans who haven’t succumbed to the “collectivist” mentality.

    • Mary says:

      Really? Cuz if this was a group of black men the government would have bombed the whole place by now. SHOOT, if you’re a kid at the park with a toy gun and you’re black you get shot…

      I think the media is staying quiet because when the government doesn’t do anything to this group of crazies the rest of the folks won’t go nuts.

      • jonp says:

        what a dipshit. did the government bomb those thugs burning down Ferguson or Baltimore. I must have missed that part. If your in a park with a toy gun that looks identical to a real one and your, what 12 or 14?, you better know how stupid it is to point it at a cop. Unless, of course, your parents are cop hating entitled government wards that spew stupidness on a daily basis.

      • the Al says:

        I notice you left parts of that out- mainly the “keep reaching for the toy gun you have stuffed in your waistband” part. Or the “fail to comply with lawful orders” part. Also, remind me- what parts of Ferguson and Baltimore did the government bomb during the riots?

    • Sapper3307 says:

      If this was BLM protest the town would have been burned to the ground in peace and solidarity by now.

      • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

        I heard that the Little Ceasar’s franchise in Ferguson was going to offer free breadsticks and pizza tomorrow… JUST KIDDING, they burned it down, remember?

  20. Ex-PH2 says:

    Weather in Burns, OR, today is foggy and snow, probably freezing fog which ends up as rime ice on trees and bushes – very pretty. And temps in the 30F range daytime, with teens at night.

    I hope they enjoy the chill out there. Have the TV trucks gone home yet?

  21. Sparks says:

    You know there’s nothing really wrong with peaceful civil protest. But…being all “militarized” up just says…

    “Hey, look at us, yep we’re all clowns, we all graduated from the “Dipstick Clown College down in Florida and we got the diplomas to prove it, so THERE! But no, no and NO, to answer your direct questions since you seem to want just D-E-T-A-I-L-S, we’ve never served in or had anything even remotely close to training in any ‘really military’ type of thing ‘er stuff. But that doesn’t mean we’re not for real or take away from the importance of these very expensive camos and walkie-talkies. They’re two-way, multi-channel you know!!! Hey we’re just us and we wear this stuff to show for our cause, you know, the cause, that’s what it’s all about! I thought you guys were here about the issues, not our creds? Sheeeeeeesh!!!!”

  22. Joe says:

    What a well-respected 5th generation rancher and neighbor of the Hammonds said:

    “Intentionally setting fires, were convicted of the crimes, would have been charged with all nine counts against them by the jury, had they not plea bargained with the Justice Attorney. Had no regard for where fire fighters may have been. Have stared fires to cover up poaching crimes. Have burned onto neighbors lands. Becoming ruthless and reckless each time. How many other ranchers in our county have done this, out of the hundreds, who also make their homes and livings here?

    I have know these two individuals and their families for years. I see them as friends. But sadly, wrong choices were made, they did the wrong things. Would they make someone pay a price for breaking one of their rules?

    Will I march to show support? No. But I will show support to their wives and children and be there for them, if they need anything, I will be there in a heart beat! Do I hope they serve the entire five years? No, I hope they will be able to have an early release, come home to their families and their ranch. Do I hope the government gets their land? No, I hope they will pay their fine, they signed that plea agreement, it’s up to them to follow through on everything they agreed to. That’s as good as a handshake here, it’s your word!

    I am sorry that our county is being pulled into all this mess and drama. I feel there are positive things to put all this energy into. Harney County let us stand together for what is good, positive and strong about our county and its people!”

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