Idiots in the gun control debate

| December 16, 2012

Yeah, I’ve read some real stupid shit in teh interwebz today in regards to gun control, but this one just deserved a public answer. It’s from some shithole called Balloon Juice written by a guy named John Cole who explains that he was supposedly in the 11th ACR stationed at Camp Doha between the wars with Iraq;

So why am I telling you this? Because in the middle of one of the most dangerous regions in the world, even with clear Rules of Engagement, every time I went on gate duty, there was a piece of tape over my ammo clip on my M-16 and M1911 .45. Why? Because the most heavily armed military in the world did not want accidental shootings. If a situation arose, I would have to eject my ammo clip, remove the tape, and reinsert and work the action before I could fire.

This was in a combat zone. Yet I have spent the last two fucking days dealing with armchair commandos telling me they need unlimited firepower to be safe in… Connecticut.

If there are bigger pussies in the world than gun nuts, I don’t know who the fuck they are.

So, because he was such an incompetent boob that he needed to have his ammo taped in his magazine, gun nuts are pussies – yeah, I don’t see the connection either. Besides, he calls them “ammo clips” – who, with more than a day in the Army, calls box magazines “ammo clips”? So, I’m thinking that John Cole was a cook, or anything except someone his unit would allow to guard something. And, I’m pretty sure that between the Iraq Wars, the Army was using 9mm Barettas and not the M1911A1 .45 cal pistol.

And the reason any magazines were taped wasn’t to prevent the ammunition from loading. The Army did that when ammunition was passed between guard shifts for accountability. But, of course, any dingus who thought they’re called “ammo clips” wouldn’t know that.

So why do I call Balloon Juice a shit hole? Because all of their writers are gun grabbing facists, apparently. They write shit like this;

Bernard Finel: If it were in my power, I’d seize every fucking firearm in the country other than revolvers, shotguns, and bolt-action rifles and melt them all down.

mistermix: If you must own an AR-15 or Bushmaster or AK-47, it should stay locked in your personal gun cabinet at the range, never to leave. If you change ranges, a bonded courier can take it to the new one. The same is true of the high-capacity clips for your Glock, your 100-round drum magazines, and all the other expensive toys that let you bang off a couple of dozen rounds in a minute. Yeah, that’s expensive and a nuisance. So are the laws surrounding other potentially unsafe pursuits.

Mistermix, my Glock uses high capacity magazines, not clips. The ammunition for my M4 is in clips until I put the bullets in the magazine. If you’re going to talk the language of gun control, learn the language of guns first.

After posting the Wikipedia entry for events leading up to the UK’s gun ban, Imani Gandy (ABL) posts this;

Am I suggesting that we ban handguns? No, not really. I am suggesting we have a sensible discussion about gun-control laws that leads to, as President Obama put it, meaningful action.

If you weren’t suggesting that we ban guns, why did you have to tell us that the UK banned guns because of an incident somewhat similar to Sandy Hook? Every leftist gun grabbing fascist on the internet is talking about “a sensible discussion”, but their discussion of a sensible discussion is senseless.

Category: Gun Grabbing Fascists

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  1. Ex-PH2 says:

    PintoNag — Extra hay, apples and carrots for the horses, plus a half cup of beer, and a couple of ears of corn for the squirrels!

  2. PintoNag says:

    Is the beer for the horses or the squirrels?

  3. Veritas Omnia Vincit says:

    @905 For the squirrels….they are far more entertaining after drinking than a horse is….up here in Westfield Mass where Ranger Burrell is we have the ordinary grey squirrels, but we also have the far more interesting black squirrels….when I first moved up here it was pretty weird to see them racing through the tree branches….they are fearless and will come right up to you looking for food….of course my wife never fails to oblige the little rodents…

  4. Ex-PH2 says:

    For the horses, too. They liked warm, hard apple cider and Guinness. The squirrels like snitching it, too, along with the tomatoes they steal.

  5. PintoNag says:

    I’ve only seen one drunk horse in my life, VOV, and he was a pitiful spectacle. I know the black squirrels you’re talking about and you’re right…they’re fearless, and can be aggressive. They’re handsome little buggers, though.

  6. Veritas Omnia Vincit says:

    Irish horses PH? The German breeds prefer a different brand…

    Pinto–my wife has done her part to carefully increase the population of black squirrels on our property by supplementing their winter diet with fruit and nuts….she opens the blinds to the sliding door to our patio and the cats enjoy a full day of watching the squirrels chase each other off the nuts and fruit….

    I am on the fence about the squirrels, but they seem to have done no harm thus far…

  7. Anonymous says:

    @896 2-17 Air Cav: “His readership–all 7 of them, including his insignificant other–are simply to be discounted.”

    Curious that several of you locals continue to make references the allegedly small readership at Balloon-Juice. For those of you who seem to have missed it, Bethany @162 was kind enough to post the relative traffic on this site, thisainthell, compared to Cole’s Balloon-Juice. Those links show that this site attracts 29% as many visitors as Cole’s place. Stated another way, Balloon-Juice generates over 3 times the traffic that this site does (3.43 times, to be exact). And as Boo-hoo was kind enough to point out @163, there are 207,978 websites that are more widely seen than this one, relative to Cole’s place, which of course means that Balloon-juice would have to fall 207,978 places in web traffic rankings in order to become, as Boo-hoo so aptly phrased it, as “dusty and ignored” as this place.

    So you guys can debate the relative merits of keeping semi-automatic weapons available or not (they soon won’t be, so get ’em while you can), or whether having weapons in your home keeps you and your children safer or more imperiled (the statistics are irrefutable, but hopefully you locals know how to properly store and handle your weapons and thus can defy the odds. Good luck with that.), and you can even attempt to disparage a veteran’s service based on uninformed speculation (though you probably realize too late how small it makes you look); but to try and score points by asserting from way-down-here that Ballon-juice is some internet backwater just makes you look goofy – like Monty Python’s Black Knight.

    That is all. Carry on and thank Balloon Juice when you see a spike in your rankings next month.

  8. Hondo says:

    “Squirrels”? Don’t you mean “arboreal rats”?

  9. Hondo says:

    Anonymous (910): keep on dreaming, amigo. Keep on dreaming.

    And yes: the statistics are irrefutable. The rate of violent crime tends to be higher in places with stricter gun control laws. The UK has a violent crime rate roughly 5x that of the USA.

  10. 2-17 Air Cav says:

    Can someone summarize in a line or two whatAnonymous said in 910? It’s far too much for me to read. I only made it my own quoted line.

  11. jhtrotter says:

    He said Baffoon Juice is huge and awesome, this place is tiny and sucks, so John Cole wins and gets to dictate firearms policy and repeal the 2nd amendment.

    And you should stop being mean to Cole because he once walked a combat zone fence line armed with a roll of tape.

  12. 2-17 Air Cav says:

    @914. Thanks, jht. Much appreciated. Economy of word is rare among libs.

  13. Hondo says:

    jhtrotter: pretty much on-target. The one pertinent fact Anonymous left out is that Cole walked that fence line 3+ months after hostilities had ended, when no shots were being fired.

    I still want to know what Cole did in Kuwait that was so damn dangerous, and what personal danger he faced. When I was there briefly in 2007 and 2008, the most dangerous thing about Kuwait was the trip to/from the APOE/APOD (the Kuwaiti drivers were full-blown batshit crazy). And it sounds like that was the case in 2002/2003, too.

  14. Nik says:


    Well, they’re not known for conserving anything…words, money, lies… If they were the types to conserve that kind of thing, they’d be…conservatives.

  15. Ex-PH2 says:

    VOV and PintoNag, Shires like Guinness. I had a show jumper that liked Schlitz. He also liked lemon drops. And I also had a working hunter who liked just a sip of brandy when the stirrup cup was served pre-hunt.

  16. jhtrotter says:

    I’m not allowed to be a liberal, I have a disqualifying condition. I own guns.

  17. Scubasteve says:

    #903, Nik, it’s safer because they wear PT belts.

  18. PintoNag says:

    @919 My brand of horse lunacy was Saddlebreds, and they’re a bit nutters, to start with; alcohol for them was out of the question. We did have one that liked gummy bears…

  19. USMCE8Ret says:

    @911 – That proves nothing to me, other than the fact that what your cited just tells me there are more idiots out there reading the nonsense the likes of Busted Balloon or whatever the hell you call it.

    If your liberal blogs are so much fun, stay over there. All the trolls take up Jonn’s bandwidth and the grown ups here can’t carry on logical discussions without being interrupted.

    Now go away.

  20. Ex-PH2 says:

    @922 – I’ve worked with gaited horses, too. I think it’s the trainers that made them that way — that, and some inbreeding. But the craziest horse I ever had was also the best jumper. She liked cross country gallops over fences; when the hounds were let out of the kennel truck, she snorted with anticipation. She did love her sip of brandy at the stirrup cup, and she could measure the height of a fence from a half mile away. Completely reliable in the field and in the ring, but if I was just out riding with friends, she’d wait until I was just one teensy bit relaxed and then hop sideways and leave me on the ground, running off with her nose and tail in the air. She did it once too often. I shouted “I’m not chasing you any more, you idiot. I’m going back to the barn. Go chase yourself,” and started walking back to the barn. She followed me, so I got remounted, but not before saying “You gonna behave now?” and she snorted right in my face. And you know what that meant: not on your dingdong.

  21. Ex-PH2 says:

    I thought we were going for 1,000 posts here. We’re only up to 925. Come on, people, get with the program!

  22. Fen says:

    They tried that stunt with us in Somolia too. LAV-25s escorting the first food convoy into Bardera (B Co, 3D LAR). Order came down for us to NOT cycle the ghost round in the 25mm chain cannon. Now, these were pre-positioned vehicles, not our own. So we had no way of knowing if the 25mm’s even worked (and the doofuses wouldn’t even let us test fire them). But not letting us even cycle the ghost round meant we would have been “surprised” by feed jams.

    The funny part? Without conversation (all night in transit) every single gunner in the platoon decided on his own to disobey orders and upload his 25mm.

    These same doofuses wouldn’t let us clear a tower that could have been a perfect enemy sniper pos. Oh, they also only let us inspect vehicles for weapon on certain days, and only after giving 24 hour notice to the town elders. I really hate ROEs most days.

  23. jds says:

    man in my past 9 years as an 11B and 3 deployments I can count a few blue falcons that needed tape on their magazines too, lolol, but of course these types of guys were found on super FOBs and most certainly were the type of dicks to call a magazine a clip…if I heard another Infantry soldier yell for a clip in a firefight I’d probably get shot in the mouth standing there thinking about him fumbling with that stupid speed loader with stripper clips scattered all around his feet and probably all his mag pouches stuffed to the max with lickys and chewies. P.S. Fuck paying 1.00 a round for 5.56 time to start volunteering to OIC some ranges!!

  24. Why-u says:

    Im against any gun control but you sound like an idiot. Wanna-be know-it-all guy criticizing people over gun lingo because they said ammo clip? Oh you know the correct terminolgy, oooooo youre so special. If thats all you can argue then you shouldnt be arguing shit. We have ebough fuck-tards on this planet as it it.

  25. Redacted1775 says:

    Yeah, like people who can’t spell “enough”. You dyslexic fuck.

  26. 2/17 Air Cav says:

    @928. Your prose reminds me of Hemingway. You may have heard of him. Helluva writer. But I’m referring to Leopold, not Ernest. Like you, Leo couldn’t write well but, unlike you, he did not make the mistake of broadcasting it worldwide.

  27. 2/17 Air Cav says:

    @929. I wonder how jerkweed would react to someone in his line of work (beautician) calling a hairclip a hair magazine or referring to Time and Newsweek as clips.

  28. Redacted1775 says:

    I’m guessing he’d throw an effeminate temper tantrum. All I’m saying is if this dickbag wants to show up here acting like a know-it-all, im-smarter-than-everyone-here Ms smarty pants, at least use spellcheck.

  29. was30short says:

    SHENANIGANS! I was with 3/64 armor from 87-89 I remeber when we turned in the m1911’s along with the m16a1’s to get the m16a2’s wich had triround burst not full auto. by 1988 no one in germany had an m1911 as at the time we were classified as a2 for supply and equipment we got everything first. From mid 89 to the end of 91 I was with 2/3 acr out of ft. bliss tx. and was sent to saudi as part of shield/storm and at no time did we EVER place tape on our magazines. been to Hohenfels played with simnet and had to stay after my unit left to be part of the great army of danubia, been to graf and ran table 8, spent many cold night out at “wild chicken” and like a few other’s here I was in certian fury. and remeber the soviet helicopters flying over to monitor what we did. so go ahead tell me I don’t know what I am talking about.

  30. fuckers says:

    screw gunn control leave innocent gun owners alone you fuck faces

  31. fuckers says:

    leave innocent gun owner alone fuckers