William Howard Shoup; phony Vietnam POW

| June 2, 2015

William Shoup

Once again, Pat sends us his work on this William Howard Shoup fellow whose obituary tells another fascinating tale of an exciting youth spent in Vietnam;

He served in the US Army and was a Vietnam War veteran and former Prisoner of War.

William Shoup obit

That would be great, except that Mister Shoup didn’t enlist until 1976, when he enlisted as a construction equipment mechanic, then he served honorably at Fort Carson, Korea, and Fort Stewart where he left the service after eleven years to continue working there at the Post Auto Shop.

William Shoup Assignments

William Shoup FOIA

Category: Phony soldiers

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  1. Nicki says:

    What the hell is this? Turdalanche Tuesday? Three in a row? Ugh.

    • ChipNASA says:

      3 times in three days and I’ll keep posting until amends are made.
      Now now, this is NOT the TAH that I know and love.
      This gentile person has go to the great repast. He’s dead. He is no more.
      I think it’s unseemly of us to talk Ill of him regardless of his past transgressions.
      Now, let’s all open up your TAH hymnals and sing a song of recognition for this individuals service to our great country…..

      Hymn….Hymn….Hymn, him fuck him….Ooooh Hymn….Hymn….Hymn, him fuck him….Yeaaaaa

      • B Woodman says:

        “Aaaaaa. . .. mennnnnn”

        • Green Thumb says:

          Sad. Just sad.

          Another shitbag that will continue to disgrace his family and friends from beyond the grave.

          • NavymanBill says:

            I don’t think I have ever seen a more sage and perceptive comment in any of these blogs. Some of them are a riot, but this one says it all. “Will CONTINUE to disgrace his family and friends”. Bad enough to disgrace yourself, but your family and friends? It reminds me of Lance Armstrong-another poser and fake from a different regimen-whose KID had more heart and courage than he did, standing up for his lying old man until Armstrong FINALLY admitted to the kid that he was a cheat. If I humiliated my son like that, I’d seriously think about offing myself. But then again, I understand shame-we live in a time when so many people have NONE.

          • JarHead Pat says:

            Well well well, shitstain Tuesdays, A perfectly good career, now ruined because he wanted to be a bigshot, wtf is wrong with these people.

        • M Moran says:

          Bahahaha!.. Nice one, Woodman.

    • Animal says:

      Bring out your dead.

      Bring out your dead.

  2. B Woodman says:

    Another menu entry, “Shoup Shandwhich”, served in a bowl so you don’t get your clothes messed up.

  3. Veritas Omnia Vincit says:

    C’mon now….he enlisted in 1976 his brothers who are mentioned in that obituary knew damn well when their brother was in the Army and they sure as shit would have know if he was held as a prisoner.

    Sometimes family is complicit by not setting the record straight. The wife might not have know since he met her and married her less than 30 years ago….but your woman usually knows if you’re a liar even if she never tells you she knows to your face and any kind of man ought to not put her in the position of having to be his lying accomplice.

    Honorable service keeping equipment functioning and ready for use, that’s always an important job for any logistical aspect of military operations. Why dishonor himself? Why, why, why offer the pretense.

    Enlisting in 1976 means he probably was in his late 50s or early 60s…still too young to be dead. You shouldn’t have told those tales Bill, there was really nothing to be gained from it.

    • Guard Bum says:

      Couldn’t have said it any better. The brothers knew.

    • Dave Hardin says:

      Yep, my brother joined the Air Force as a Consciences Objector. I had to join the Marine Corps on a Combat Arms enlistment just to restore some family honor.

      Mom still runs around saying both of her sons are veterans. Well, not so much IMHO. Ain’t having family great.

    • C. W. P. says:

      The obituary could have been submitted by a wife that knows only the information from the lies told to her from her late husband. I personally know a woman that found her husband to be a liar, years after her wedding, when she went to the V.A. for assistance. Her husband was estranged from the rest of his family. I did not start dating my wife until after discharged however she has met some of my shipmates from more than 5 of the six years that I served so she can verify just about anything that I have told her.

  4. Silentium Est Aureum says:

    And another one the DRC will try to pin on the good folks here.

  5. RM3(SS) says:

    Well his records are sealed in a jar on Funk and Wagnalls porch, but I managed to take a peek. If you really want to know, he DID go to Vietnam, it was in ’85 with Rambo to rescue the POW’s.

  6. Martinjmpr says:

    I still do not get the “POW” thing. Why do so many fakers claim to be POWs?

    “Sniper” is silly but I can understand it – after all, snipers are glorified all over the place in movies, TV, video games, etc. Claiming to be a “sniper” always sets off my BS detector (because I’ve known a few real snipers and they don’t generally talk about it) but the POW thing is a mystery to me.

    Maybe someone with a background in psychiatry can chime in here. Is it because claiming to be a POW entitles them to play the “victim card?”

    Is it pity that they crave (“you poor thing, you were treated terribly, weren’t you?”)

    Is this a relatively new phenomenon? I don’t recall people falsely claiming to be POWs in WW2 and Korea, this really seems to be a Vietnam-and-later trend. Or is it just because I wasn’t around in the post-WW2 and Post-Korea era that I didn’t notice it?

    Maybe the desire to claim POW status is because a POW can claim to be both a “hero” and a “victim” at the same time? Or is it simpler than that: Because a disproportional number of movies (think: Deer Hunter) and other pop culture have gone with the “POW Story” that people latch onto it as a way of grabbing some of the glory and admiration that they know they don’t otherwise rate?

    Serious question, has anyone else pondered this? I can’t be the only one who has wondered why so many fakers from the VN era onward claim POW status.

    • 3E9 says:

      What I don’t get is how they think they won’t be found out eventually. Especially in this day and age of online databases.

      • Martinjmpr says:

        Well, a couple of thoughts on that:

        First off, many started rocking the lie back in the mid 1990’s or earlier, when looking up a list of POWs meant writing to DOD and waiting for a response, or digging through archives. Back then it was easy to rock the lie and difficult to prove someone was lying (without internet databases, how do you prove someone WASN’T a POW? Proving a negative is tough.)

        As years go by, they’ve lived the lie so long that in their minds it just becomes part of the “story” they tell about themselves, as natural as breathing.

        Second possibility: Some people make up outrageous lies and nobody calls them on it (the whole “big lie” technique.) In that case, the “big-ness” of the lie becomes its own “proof.” “Why would Joe Schmoe lie about winning the MOH 4 times when you can look that info up?”

        What they’re counting on is the natural tendency of most people to believe what they’re told combined with laziness/apathy with regard to actually looking stuff up.

        Think about it: If someone else’s 80 year old grandpa told you a story about how he was a POW in Dachau, would you interrogate him about it? Would you waste your time looking up his name? Most likely you would just shake your head and move on, and that’s what these liars count on.

        And if it was your OWN grandpa, would you call him on it? Doubtful, especially if you didn’t have a military background yourself. You’d think “hey, I’m just a slack-bellied civilian, what right do I have to questions PawPaw about that time he parachuted into Berlin and personally garroted Himmler to death? He was there and I wasn’t!” And not only would YOU not question PawPaw, you’d probably vigorously defend his lies to others.

  7. Thunderstixx says:

    Yep, the family knew yet let it continue and actually put it in the obit.
    Why would they either do it or let it happen?
    He did a fine job for the military and did his bit for king and country.
    Here’s another live one from Dan Noyes from Marin County California.
    It might have been posted before here but I just wanted to put it up again for Dan Noyes.
    He hates them as much as we do.
    Thank you Dan Noyes.

  8. MCPO NYC USN Ret. says:

    Gum Dagnet!

    WTF is going on with these POS’s?

    NONE … none I tell ya … are even trying!

  9. Remember those toys where you pull the chord ring and the toy “talked”? Well, I’m going to have one made for my tombstone. I’ll also have a backup button.

    When someone pulls the chord ring, or pushes the button my my tombstone, it’ll say this in my own voice:

    “I was a United States Air Force Lieutenant Colonel, I flew C130s in Iraq during the Gulf War blowing up the Taliban. When I came back, I got cancer from Gulf War exposure. I recovered, became a member of the Wilmer Police Department SWAT Team, and got my PhD.

    You should be at awe at my presence!”

    It will also be in-scripted… by me beforehand.

    Having your family members lie for you after death is lame. Death will not stop me from lying. I will lie, with my own voice, from beyond the grave.

  10. Ex-PH2 says:

    The bad part about this is that these lying sacks of cockroach crap have spent their lives telling one and all what they wished they were (e.g., POW) without actually saying ‘because those guys were REAL heroes’.

    Unfortunately, as we all know, karmic law can backfire on people like this rather badly, and they may just come back in the next round and end up as POWs… of the ISIS thugs, and we ALL know just how well they treat their POWs, don’t we?