Alicia Watkins; Air Force vet in the Trump campaign

| May 16, 2016

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Early last month, we wrote about this person, Staff Sergeant Alicia Watkins, a retired Air Force veteran, when she was hired by the Trump campaign and folks decided to write about her before we could get a FOIA on her records from the National Personnel Records Center. So we sent to the the FOIA branch of the Air Force Personnel Center at Joint Base San Antonio-Randolph, Texas while all of this activity was swirling around the subject. Our ninja rode herd on the FOIA and it looks to me like the Air Force didn’t even know where Watkins was during her career.

For example, she spoke at a welcoming ceremony for a group of airmen who had just returned from an Afghanistan deployment in early 2007. The link to the article has been yanked since this whole thing began, but I have a screen shot of part of the article and Google has it cached;

Watkins 9-11

General Hamel introduced an impromptu speaker, Staff Sgt. Alicia Watkins, 61st Communications Squadron, to briefly talk about her deployment and what motivated her while she was deployed. She had joined the Air Force after the 9/11 attack. Sergeant Watkins was outside her office building in New York when the terrorists attacked and her best friend lost her life.

“When I think about the global war on terrorism, it meant more to me I think than anything else in my life,” said Sergeant Watkins. “‘Lest I forget,'” she quoted while holding back her tears of the inscription at the bottom of her best friend’s photo. “I’ll never forget the reason why we go overseas, the reason why we spend time away from our families, the reason why we dedicate our lives to a service that’s greater than ourselves.”

“I will never forget the reason I was there. What an awesome honor it is to serve,” said Sergeant Watkins. “We were the fortunate ones. We got to experience something you can’t write about, you can’t read about, you can’t look at on CNN. It has to come from here,” she said, pointing to her heart. “I will never forget the things that I experienced there.”

As near as I can tell from her DD214, she was never overseas, let alone in Afghanistan. She was also not in New York City “outside her office” for 9-11 . Her office was at the Pentagon according to the Air Force.

In this video, at about 1:20, she tells Fox News personalities that she was at the Pentagon on 9-11, that she went to Iraq and then to Afghanistan and that she was injured on 9-11;

She provided this useless document to Bulldog at Guardian of Valor, but quite obviously, it’s proof of nothing and I think it might be a forgery. It says that she was in the Wounded Warrior program, like she claims in the F&F video above. Since the name and signature block is blacked out – we don’t know with whom we can verify it.

Watkins Wounded Warrior

Her DD214 says that she was discharged and retired in 2008 after nine and a half years of service – so why would she be assigned to the Wounded Warrior unit after she was discharged? There are no awards for deployments to Afghanistan or Iraq, and in block 12f, there is no foreign service time.

In this photo, she is wearing a Purple Heart at the top of her ribbon rack;


There is no Purple Heart in her DD214.

Alicia Watkins DD214

She was at the Pentagon on 9-11 according to her rater on this Enlisted Personnel Report (EPR) not in New York City;

Alicia Watkins EPR 2001

Her EPR for early 2007 doesn’t mention anything about a deployment (the article above says that the airmen returned in April 2007) – I know mine would in big block letters;

Alicia Watkins May 2007 EPR

I have several other EPRs, none of them mention the fact that she was ever deployed.

I know that the Air Force Times and some other folks are saying that she had a six month deployment to Afghanistan in 2007 and a deployment to Qatar in 2003 based on comments from someone from the AF Personnel Center at JBSA-Randolph, but, you know what? I don’t see it. These records I’ve posted all came from the same office that made the statement to the Air Force Times, so I don’t know where their source got that information, because I’m not seeing a deployment for Staff Sergeant Watkins. I also don’t see any mention of a Purple Heart, but here is a picture of her leaving a Purple Heart at a memorial which commemorates folks who were lost in the attack on the Pentagon including the friend that she claims she lost at the Pentagon;

Purple Heart

The implication in that presentation is that it was the Purple Heart Medal awarded to Watkins.

Her stores are all over the place which made this investigation most difficult and I didn’t bother to include the Oprah Winfrey, the reality show stuff and her supposed homelessness. I just stuck to the military stuff – the stuff that I know and I can document.

UPDATE: A very senior source in the Trump campaign has told us that Alicia Watkins doesn’t work for the Trump Campaign or any other Trump organization. We weren’t offered a detailed explanation.

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  1. 9 1/2 years of service was not enough for her? She had to embellish that, having the falsehoods destroy the good service that she had. Posers are some sad people.

    • MSG Eric says:

      She’s a grifter and an attention whore. Nothing will ever be enough.

      She could give the President a Blowjob (or even Michelle) and not be satisfied.

  2. Ex-PH2 says:

    Piled on deeper and deeper. Will it ever stop?

    • 2/17 Air Cav says:

      Thursday. It’s slated to stop on Thursday. That’s when the world ends.

    • MSG Eric says:

      Yo, I don’t know. Turn off the lights, and she glows….like the lying shitbag she is.

  3. Daisy Cutter says:

    Nice opening photo. Iconic and ironic at the same time. Tears streaming down the face say – ‘I’ve been through a lot’ and ‘I’ve been caught’ all at the same time. Nice overall write up on this blog! Thanks for shedding some light on all of this.

  4. IDC SARC says:

    sadly, I’m not surprised.

  5. 2/17 Air Cav says:

    Lighten up. I’m sure that if she didn’t deploy, she would have if ordered and, if she did, she might have been wounded and, if she was, she would have received a Purple Heart. Besides, after 9+ years, she qualified for Burn Out.

    • Chango Fango says:

      Awesome, I’ll be looking for my Silver Star in the mail then.

    • Ex-PH2 says:

      I weep, too, because I have only one gedunk medal. And the computer screen makes my eyes water. And the ants will steal the seeds I plant in flower pots, as always.

      I am sad. Sad, I tell you. Can I have a cookie?

    • Usafvet509 says:

      Hey, Air Cav, is. There some LEGIT reason you’re latching onto the burn out thing? Or are you just being a complete ass?

      • OWB says:

        Not that A/C needs explaining, but if he were being a complete ass, you would not need to ask.


        • Usafvet509 says:

          I feel he does. Are we not brothers? Did we not make the same oath? This burn out device bullshit is exactly that, BULLSHIT. We in the goddamn AF are not a bunch of goddamn junior varsity freshman. We deal with the same deployments, same places, same shit. Personally, I’m a little fucking tired of reading the same condescending chicken shit from the same fucking people.
          Rant over

          • 2/17 Air Cav says:

            Okay, pal, here you go.

            This morning, before this thread appeared, I revisited the Burn Out thread and responded to you and others who directed your comments to me there. When this thread appeared, and it featured this USAF Vet, the other thread was still in my mind. That’s how I came to refer to burn out in this thread. Now, as for the issue itself, I didn’t whine to Fox News that “personnel are tired.” I didn’t say that airmen are “exhausted.” I didn’t dredge up the “burn out” complaint. All of that that was the Air Force. What I think of that is this: With so very many soldiers and Marines KIA in Afghanistan and Iraq and many more wounded during multiple deployments, the whiners in the USAF should thank their lucky stars that they are only tired.

            • 2/17 Air Cav says:

              Here’s part II for your further edification:

              I live near an Air Guard base and marvel daily as I watch the various a/c over fly my town. I have visited the base with my son and, years ago now, walked among—and on board—a/c with him. Earlier than that, I took him to an old airfield on Long Island (Republic) to see and board a B-17. I have purchased meals for airmen at a local pizzeria just because and, one day, when I saw an airman buying candy and other goodies for his kids at a 7-11, and I asked if he would please allow me to buy the stuff. I insisted and he relented. Additionally, I was more than a few times at the AF strip that was down the road from my unit at Fort Campbell. Aside from the AF guys always in serious need of haircuts, I had no issue with them nor them with me. To sum up, I have no bone to pick with the USAF per se. I just can’t stand whiners.

              • 3E9 says:

                I don’t tolerate whiners well either. I will add this to the conversation; the AF is encouraged to report through the chain of command any issues that may hinder mission accomplishment. Airmen of all ranks are told to provide honest assessments of their units readiness when asked. The reasoning behind this is to provide an accurate picture to leadership of mission capability rather than sweep it under the rug until the damn thing breaks and you can’t put bombs on target or deliver what’s needed when its needed where its needed. If the people in the burn out article were talking to Fox News then they were cleared to say what they said I’m sure.

                • 2/17 Air Cav says:

                  If they weren’t cleared first, they are in deep shit right now, I would guess. I didn’t use their names, figuring they were being used like pawns by higher ups.

              • 2/17 Air Cav says:

                I’ll give it more time. Baseball tonight, so I’ll be busy watching a great team. Unfortunately, that would be my team’s opponent.

    • MSG Eric says:

      If Barack had a mistress….

  6. Mike Kozlowski says:

    …Hang this lady from the highest flag on the nearest USAF golf course.


    • Usafvet509 says:


    • Silentium Est Aureum says:

      Not even a little funny, dude.

    • ex-OS2 says:

      Public shaming should suffice.

      • SFC D says:

        Negative on the public shaming. Public shaming is just the light shining on this cockroach making it scuttle and hide. She’s had a lot of material gain by working this lie, from public assistance to Oprah’s “you get a whatever” to that wedding dress farce. No, public shaming is where it starts. It ends with charges of criminal fraud.

        • ex-OS2 says:

          I agree SFC D. My response was to the distasteful comment made by Mike Kozlowski.

          • SFC D says:

            Yeahhhh we’re in agreement on everything. Mike? Anything to add?

          • OWB says:

            Flags on golf courses are about the same height as this former airman and easily removed from their holes in the ground, so hanging from one should cause no physical damage, and perhaps some of that shaming being discussed.

  7. Steve says:

    That video is painful to watch. Her story is literally all over the place.

  8. Sarge says:

    Crash and burn…

  9. Redacted1775 says:

    Fucking attention seeking sociopath.

  10. Bobo says:

    I still find it hard to believe that Trump just randomly selected an attractive, personable,female reporter who happened to work for a nonexistent news agency, and who happened to be a veteran, to ask a question and hire her on the spot for an unnamed job based on her veteran status. It sounds a lot like a political stunt that backfired horribly (for her) because Trump didn’t have his folks do a substantial check on her veteran’s cred before she was planted in with the reporters.

    Regardless, she’s about to have the reason for her fame change significantly.

    • Skippy says:

      Bobo… I’d almost agree with your first part… but when trump was hear in Tucson a few months ago, he pick a Latina lady out of the crowd and asked her what she did for a living her answer was business owner. And then he had some questions about about regs and Obummer care and she said both where killing her business. She is still getting death threats from sanders supporters. And our leftist media here has made her life hell.. This turd in the story seems to have a nack for being at the right place at the right time kinda like gump 2.0 ????

  11. Dave Hardin says:

    No Purple Heart in her records? Well isn’t that special. This woman makes so many claims the only thing I can tell for sure is that she is full of shit.

    • Skippy says:


    • Willy says:

      Well no Purple Heart on my records either, but a medical record of pulling wood splinters out of my foot and other parts, received from an explosion of a ship tied to the pier I was security of in Vietnam. I was told at the time (I was 19 and foolish) if it would have been metal I would have received a Purple Heart. IT wasn’t a big deal then, just glad I made it home. Now would be nice since I’m rated at 60% by VA

  12. Jon The Mechanic says:

    Can I be hired to work for the Trump Campaign?

    I don’t have a PH, but I do have a non combat injury that I suffered while in Afghanistan which led to my medical retirement last March from the Army.

    I am not a female minority who is attractive, but I self identify as a someone who women want to be with, and men want to be.

    • radar says:

      I got a horrific case of the shits at K2 in Uzbekistan in 2003, that’s gotta count for something right?

      • NECCSEABEECPO says:

        Deployed to Pakistan2005-06 in North western frontier and camped in capital of Kashmir Muzaffarabad,about 1 hr. away from Abbottabad,if we only new he(OBL) was there.

        Anyway Tried to get the Pakistani Ranger COL we were working with to take us up there for my reenlistment and he just laughed and said “no I will fly you to that mountain and you take picture and say that is K2”.

        Is it beautiful up there? we were in the foothills and it was bad ass. Cold as fuck just like Northern AFG.

      • Thunderstixx says:

        I got my ass frostbit taking a dump on Operation Jack Frost in January 1976…
        That should give me at least a Purple Heart or better yet, a Purple Asshole Award !!!

      • SFC D says:

        I caught the shits at K2 in January 2002 and finished them in February 2002 at Bagram. I think there was like 200 people there. I left in July 2002 there was around 7000

  13. BridgeBurner189 says:

    Daddy must have not paid enough attention.

    Bye Felicia

  14. OWB says:

    Thanks for the attempt at clarification on this one, Jonn. Can’t say there are any surprises in what you found, but can any of us who tried to sort though it now claim PTS by proxie?

  15. Hondo says:

    Concur with your analysis, Jonn.

    The DD214 shows no Purple Heart. It should had she rated one.

    The Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary and Service Medals (GWOTEM and GWOTSM, respectively) were established by Executive Order 13289, 12 March 2003. Policy for their award was well-known and stable by 2008.

    The Afghanistan and Iraq Campaign Medals (ACM and ICM, respectively) were created about 20 1/2 months later by Executive Order 13363, November 29, 2004. Policy for their award was well-known and stable by 2008.

    Had the lady been deployed to Qatar (2003) or Afghanistan (2007), she’d rate the GWOTEM and ACM, respectively. Those do not appear on her DD214. And as Jonn notes, her DD214 shows no foreign service time. If she’d deployed, it should.

    Unless she has other proof, the documentary evidence above says she didn’t deploy to either Qatar or Afghanistan. While she may well have been TDY to one or both places to provide temporary support for <30 consecutive/<60 cumulative days, I'd hardly call a short-term TDY to any location in-theater a "deployment".

    I'm willing to change my mind after I see additional documentation showing when (including precise dates), where (physical location), and with what unit the lady deployed. Until then, sorry - AFPC makes errors too. I'll believe documentary evidence to the contrary, thanks.

    • Daisy Cutter says:

      Her records don’t reflect a deployment of any kind.

      Her unit is an administrative support unit at Bolling AFB at the time with a standard AEF deployment requirement. It is possible she had a deployment, though. It is not uncommon for Airmen to deploy and not receive a joint or AF decoration.

      She still should have a GWOT Expeditionary ribbon, though.

      Also, if she deployed less than a month, it is doubtful she would have been in a convoy or something subject to combat. She was not adequately trained for that and would have been an ‘inside the wire’ support Airman.

      To and from the airfield, possibly?

      • Hondo says:

        Can’t speak for Qatar in 2003, but at the time she supposedly deployed to Afghanistan I’m pretty sure the min USAF tour length there was 4 months (worked with a few USAF types there not that long afterwards, and that’s what they told me at the time). Further, award of the GWOTEM for tours in Afghanistan had ended by that point in time. Thus, if she’d deployed to Afghanistan on a normal tour ending in 2007 she should at a minimum have the ACM to show for going there. (As you note, she should also have the GWOTEM if she’d deployed to Qatar.)

        It was also substantially harder to get people in/out of Afghanistan than other places in-theater then – transportation in/out was quite difficult, and there were pretty tight restrictions on personnel coming in-country. As I recall, other than a few visiting VIPs short-term visitors were fairly uncommon.

        • 3E9 says:

          Up until around 2005-2006 AF tours were 90 days for almost every career field. Notable exceptions were the AFSOC folks, Security Forces and EOD. I did a 90 back in early 04. They went from 90 to 120 then to 180 which is where a lot of them still are. 365 rotations are not uncommon for senior NCOs and FGOs.

  16. Veritas Omnia Vincit says:

    Well judging by the current social climate maybe she “identifies” as a wounded warrior…

    After all if you identify as a female apparently you’re supposed to be taking a piss in the ladies room, if you identify as black even though you’re a lily white girl you can rise to the heights of Academia, if you identify as a Native American even though you’re whiter than copy paper you can serve as a US Senator and be considered for the VP slot with a woman who identifies as a liberal but is more of a corporate shill than the billionaire she’ll face in the GE….

    Oddly enough George Orwell’s 1984 was supposed to be a work of fiction, but apparently many on the left believe Newspeak was an instructional language form they could hijack into the current political correctness of today…

  17. Claw says:

    Whew, I, for one, am glad that Trump hired her on. That means she will finally have a permanent mailing address for the Post Office to deliver the retroactive award of the Distinguished Warfare Medal w/”R” Device (otherwise known as the Burn Out Badge) she has coming to her. They’ve been trying to deliver it for over three years now, but chasing down a homeless hobo car has proved to be a tough chore.

    Life can now back to normal.

    • Hondo says:

      The DWM was 86ed, Claw. But they did approve my 2013 proposal about the R-device:


      • Claw says:

        Yep, I knew the DWM was shitcanned, but they should still send her an “R” Device. If not for being able to remote view the Pentagon from NYC, at least for that Sergeant Major Carrot Top like bun she’s toting around.

        I’m sure somewhere on the 11 extra ribbons she’s sporting on her rack she could find a spot(s) for such a prestigious award.

        I’m actually surprised that no one has found the original proposal for the DWM in the dumpster and looked at it and said, “Hey, this sounds like a good idea.” and has resubmitted it for action./Smile

  18. A Proud Infidel®™ says:

    Splash, out. I wonder what we’ll hear from her next?

  19. Susan says:

    But, but, but, she is a person of color supporting a Republican.

  20. Snotcrow says:


    She is retired AF, but in the top pic – that’s a naval cover is it not? I have never seen an Airman with a cover like that? Now, if I am wrong… it wouldn’t be the first time.

    • Ragnar says:

      For a few years there we were allowed to wear the 8-pt Marine cover. The pic is, I think, from about 2007 when you could wear that cover.

      • Snotcrow says:

        Thanks for that clarification.
        I seriously did not know. Then again most AF personnel I saw had ball caps.

    • JAG93 says:

      It was a USAF standard issue alternate deployed uniform item during the time period she allegedly was deployed.

    • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

      I remember seeing AF Personnel wearing those in DCU colors when I was in A-stan 2005-06.


      This was because the Army had phased out DCU’s and Airforce requested permission from the Navy to use the cover from around 05 -10 until the new Airfoce uniform came out. The DCU was Navy uniform until Jan 31, 2012 after that it was Type III or II depending on mission and who attached to for operations. You will find photos of Navy Personnel in ACU’s and Army mulitcam. The Seabees attached to the SOTF in AFG will be in Multicam because the NSW CSST teams will be in the SEAL type III and this way commanders can know if that is NSW team or a NMCB SOTF support DET..

      I put the Multicam thing out because you will see the 8 point in that uniform.

    • Snotcrow says:

      Y’all mofos know your uniforms. I respect it.

  21. OWB says:

    Not in any way excusing dishonorable behavior, hers or that of others. That said, I am curious how legitimate long term effects upon those in/near the Pentagon on 9/11 compare to what military survivors of other mass casualty events experience.

  22. Silentium Est Aureum says:

    And curiouser that she’s not even trying to clarify these discrepancies.

    Instead, she (or someone) sends idiots like Keef to attack the messenger.

  23. The Other Whitey says:

    A phony in the Trump campaign. Who’da thunk?


  24. Jarhead says:

    Regrettably the entitlement mentality also believes part of their cache includes the absolute right to bullshit your way through life, lie about anything the press is willing to glorify, and use the CARD if anyone challenges you. Too much rap music and eventually one thinks they can shuck and jive their way into virtually anything they want, without accountability or consequences.

    When they finally get their due on T A H, there goes the “Oh shit!” alarm.

  25. Sarge says:

    9 years and “retired”?

    Not sure if anyone else saw this.

  26. AverageNCO says:

    Regarding that wounded warrior letter, when Jonn and Bulldog asked me to look into I have a few AFPC folks eyeball it for me. The consensus was that AFPC did generate that letter, but that doesn’t mean it validates any of her claims. The big problem is we can’t see who signed it. My gut is that she gave her sob story to someone as AFPC who typed up the letter without verifying any of her claims. It’s not unheard of for some E4 mafia types print something on official letter-head that is way out of their lane. When I was the NCOIC of a dental clinic I once encountered an E5 men’s health technician who wrote a memo saying an airman was authorized to get orthodontic treatment at AF expense because the source of airmen’s depression was her crooked teeth.

  27. USMCMSgt (Ret) says:

    Claimed injured during 9/11?

    Must’ve caught the PTSD watching it on T.V. like all the other faking fuckwits.

  28. L. Taylor says:

    There is a good chance she was misquoted about being outside her office in New York.

    She could have been speaking about being outside her office at the Pentagon and because she mentioned 9/11 the reporters assumed she meant New York.

    As for the rest? It is common for soldiers to retire from the wounded warrior program. In fact a medical retirement process is part if its mission.

    And her missing deployment is not a surprise. Air Force deployments are essentially TDYs so it is possible the orders where not submitted with her DD214 packet.

    I think we really should wait this out and not try to make it seem like she stole valor since we could never take back a tarnished reputation and she definitely served.

    It is only the details of her service that is unclear.

    • Silentium Est Aureum says:

      NY…DC. Right next door to each other.

      Uh, yeah. Not so much.

    • Jarhead says:

      There is a good chance anyone who suggested you are NOT full of shit was indeed misquoted, Lars. You’re just in time for the shit alert. Earlier I posted this on another (and the wrong) thread. Here is the quintessential response to your statement earlier on this site, “Anyone who is afraid of Communism is foolish’. Yep, you OWN it!

      The entire story is worrisome, regardless of your bullshit and worthless rhetoric. Anyone can and should click on this link right around the 3:20 mark and see how little we have to fear.

    • Skippy says:

      Lars I’ll agree with you on the TDY. I did a few trips over to the shit box… And a lot happened but it was a trip

    • SFC D says:

      I could take any human being, in the history of forever, from the day the Earth formed. From a hot steaming mess of ook, from the day that life formed (we’re being PC here, so we’ll let our dear readers insert their favorite way life formed on earth), who was the most annoying, asinine, know-it-all, arrogant, and blind to the realities of the modern world you ever heard of or knew?

      There’s just one name that comes up. Lars Taylor.

      If they only realized he’s been sent here to save us. From ourselves.

      • Jarhead says:

        SFC D…That surely must have been hard to upchuck in one upside down swallow. HE is the ONLY one who realizes our world depends on his insight and leadership. Therein arises the problem..Lars and his imaginary leadership on this web site.
        Hope this analogy makes sense. Simple enough, Lars is preaching to the wrong choir. Where in his daily wanderings he has little mush-minded minions begging for someone to save the world for them; all so they will not have to put out effort and carry their share of the world’s load. They look with open eyes to Lars and Company for those directions to a life of ease and entitlement. Bottom line is this…Lars is on the WRONG channel. Entertaining his street muffins looking for easy street has become his mantra. “Follow me kids, I can show you the way of peace. It will cost you nothing. As a matter of fact we can all be the takers and sit on our collective asses and bitch about not getting our fair share”.
        So here is Lars on the wrong web site thinking he can guide veterans who have seen in real life more than he ever saw or imagined in movies. He forgets what he saw are merely plays; acts, by actors. So he attempts to mirror the celluloid life on a daily basis, having seen what others missed within the plays. Trouble is, he’s NOT one of us, has little to say of any worthwhile value, but can’t understand why we don’t willingly eat the pablum he serves. The kiddies do it, why would we not?
        Lars, it’s because we are MEN and WOMEN who have willingly made sacrifices you never considered worthy. We don’t buy your know-it-all 20th Century fantasies.
        There’s been an awful lot of military phonies who have come and gone on this site. Most left with a hurt butt, an unpleasant write up in some newspaper or magazine which openly exposed them to pay for their lies.
        In going over your writings time and time again to try to figure you out, one glaring thought stands out. Lars must SURELY be a Communist supporter. No doubt about it. The old soft shoe act has played you well, but sooner or later when someone tells you to “Break a leg”, you insist they are surely referring to your rhetoric-filled commentary.
        Either yesterday or the day prior one writer explained what the Communists had done to his father-in-law. Horrible mu__rf__fkers they were to do that. Looking back at the video posted above, one can see little has changed through the years. And yet you still minimize their vile brutality and willingness to stoop to any inhumane depravity to force the hands of thinking persons who might not wish to be “re-educated”.
        IMHO, Jonn gives you the right to print whatever you wish….because most all of us paid the price for allowing you that freedom. While it pisses me off to read your smug know-it-all comments about ANYTHING, no matter how sensitive and offensive.
        My guess is your interest in stirring shit on this site is NOT the only one you work to piss people off. It’s always a power game to you to come out on top. Time to close with one simple consideration and offer. Here I am at 70 years old. But I would LOVE to meet you in person for a face to face conversation. DON’T even consider that a threat, for it is NOT. My mission would not be to reason with you, but find the words to make you see your direction is headed the wrong way. If you do not wake up sooner or later, one day you will find yourself on the short end of an argument. Your seemingly BEST moves are to manipulate and always leave the site thinking you won another.
        Man, you lose EVERY time!!!

        • SFC D says:

          Thank you for the compliments, but the actual truth is… I’m Irish, and I’ve been communing with Mr. Jameson in front of the keyboard. And it’s a simple equation, add 1 mick plus Irish whiskey, you get the truth whether you want it or not! I think there’s a Navy Chief here that could back me up on this.

    • Bobo says:

      My CIB was earned on a 3 month TDY from CAC Ft. Leavenworth to a BCT in Iraq. My first ICM was also awarded for that TDY. My second ICM was awarded for a 30+ day TDY to Iraq from USARCENT. My GWOT Expeditionary Medal was awarded for a series of TDYs while assigned to USARCENT. All of it is on my DD-214 and I have the approved final payment travel vouchers as proof. I’m certain that, if I had been awarded a PH while TDY, there would be orders and a certificate in my records. There is also no mention of an Air Force Combat Action Medal, so there’s one more thing that she forgot to mention when they were typing out her DD-214.

      Honestly, in this day and age, with the well advertised VA benefits for combat veterans, and their DD-214 requirements, who in the hell wouldn’t mention a combat deployment and a PH to the admin clerk filling out the DD-214, especially with all of the doors that a PH automatically opens.

      Face it Lars, she’s lying.

    • JACK SHIT says:

      Lars Taylor DOES NOT know me.

    • 3E9 says:

      I’ll have to disagree, AF deployments are deployments. TDYs are TDYs and the two are very different processes in the AF. If she deployed she would have processed in and out of her home station and her deployed location and that information is included in her records for pay and entitlements as well as foreign service dates. If she deployed all of that information would have been captured by her home station personnel office when she returned.

  29. Sorensen25 says:

    Not defending her, but military clerks aren’t perfect either. My DD-214 states that I have zero foreign service time yet the next block shows I have 3 sea service deployment ribbons, an overseas service, and an Iraq Campaign medal. Yeah. Figure that one out. lol

    • Claw says:

      Sorensen25, maybe I can help you figure it out, so bear with me.

      Were the sea service ribbons, overseas service and ICM earned during another period that had a DD214 prepared for it?

      Do you only have one DD214 for your entire term of service?

      Your last or final DD214 does not recapitulate foreign service time that is covered by other DD214’s. Medals, Badges, Military Education and such as that are reflected as a cumulative, but foreign service time from different periods is not reflected in a cumulative sum.

      I’m not trying to be a smart-ass or anything like that. I truly want to help if I can.

      • NECCSEABEECPO says:

        Thank you Claw. I did not know that.

        I one DD 214 for my 24 years of cosecative Active service.

        I have 12 Deployments or Sea service.
        I am a SeaBee so we count sea service for deployment ribbons but it is not Sea duty for counter time So there is 0 time for sea service.

        On Overseas duty or Foreign service I have 2 years and 10 months that was three DOD tours to Greece and for.

        Now back to the 12 years I have medals that can cover most of them.

        So what you are saying is none of those deployments should be counted as Foreign service time.

        I thought it was because of Navy book keeping as REG Navy Deployments are on ship and not much time spent on foreign soil.

        All my deployments were on ground in support of Joint Task Forces. I have been wondering reading post here and people getting called out if my shit was correct or not. any help thank you…

        • Claw says:

          Well, I was Army and my experience comes from that. I have no knowledge on how the Navy/Marines count up foreign/sea service time.

          I do know that the foreign service blocks on the DD214 reflect only time spent during a consecutive term of service.

          I only know that my final retirement DD214 only has the last tour in Germany that I did and does not cover the foreign service time I spent in Vietnam or my first tour to Germany. Those periods were reported on two other DD214’s.

          I hope I’m not trying to confuse things by applying Army regs to Navy regs.

          • NECCSEABEECPO says:

            No your good to go.

            I think it is what I said the clerks just count deployment time and do count us being boots on ground.

            I will track it down. Have all the awards to cover my time so if anyone try’s to question the record speaks for itself, the way all records should.

            Thank you brother.. All I can do is ask.This has been brought up before with Navy records so I would suggest they need to be careful when reading the DD 214. Especially when it comes to Navy guys that can work on the ground.

          • SFC D says:

            Army changed the rules on the Army Overseas Ribbon sometime around 2006? Used to be overseas PCS counted, and extensions overseas didn’t. Then they decided to add deployment time to the count, didn’t have to be consecutive months, just total months divided by 12 for the next award. I have no bloody clue how many I’m supposed to have. Fairly sure it’s double digits

          • MSG Eric says:

            Yeah, I’ve tried to get those types to put certain ribbons or medals or specific items on the latest DD214, their reply is, “is it on a previous DD214? If so, I won’t put it on this one, etc etc.” (Although I have the Army Service Ribbon on 3 DD214s. lol)

            In her case though, if she truly served and had the documentation for all those awards, she’d be able to provide them. She’d be able to get a DD215 done to fix any discrepancies just by showing other proof.

            All she has to show for all this “adventurous” stuff she’s done is one memo from a WWP letterhead stating she’s a wounded warrior. (If anyone wants one, I’ll type you up one right now, it’ll take about 5 minutes and I’ll even redact it like hers so they don’t have a POC to ask about it.)

        • Airdale (AW) USN says:

          I have six deployments all on ships, with no Foreign service time, but have sea time.

          • NECCSEABEECPO says:

            I know that and that was my point.
            You were on ship we operate on Foreign soil not on ships when we deploy.
            So why is that not showing up as Foreign service?
            We never deploy on a ship unless in AMPHIB unit and the only other way would be to take us some where and drop us off and when dropped of how is that time counted?

            • Silentium Est Aureum says:

              Because you weren’t actually stationed there.

              Case in point: tender duty in Guam versus shore duty there. On the tender, you get SSDR and sea service counter continues. If you were at NAVSTA or Nimitz Hill, you’d get Overseas Service Ribbon, but no SSDR or sea service.

              Ditto for other similar places like Yoko, etc.

      • Hondo says:

        Were the sea service ribbons, overseas service and ICM earned during another period that had a DD214 prepared for it?

        Um, that would be a “No”. The DD214 Jonn shows above covers from Nov 1998 to May 2008. Her deployments allegedly occurred in 2003 and 2007, so if they actually occurred they should be shown on that DD214. Ditto any Purple Heart awarded her between Nov 1998 and May 2008.

  30. Green Thumb says:

    The tears are a nice touch.


  31. Skippy says:

    Well what did anyone expect… This is only the tip of the iceberg I’ve said it on here before and I’ll say it again.. My last three months at Madigan up at Lewis was a freak show their where joes who in my opinion wear heroes being treated like shit while you had shitbags milking the system and had ZERO issues at all being treated like heros WTF !!!!!!!

    • MSG Eric says:

      I did my rehab at Madigan for a couple months after my Iraq trip. I was stationed at Lewis from 04-08. I had one physical therapy assistant who was absolutely the worst. She had a bad attitude, hated working there, and let it be known that she didn’t like being there. Luckily, I already had a positive attitude about getting my ankle fixed and she didn’t bother me.

  32. MustangCryppie says:

    Oh! Did anyone else see this comment?

    It was a comment on one of the EPR pages.

    “ALICIA says:
    May 16, 2016 at 10:10 am


    • A Proud Infidel®™ says:

      HEY, I was betting she’d “lawer up”! I kinda win, but I was also betting she was gonna play the race card but she’s using her DV game for now.

      • MustangCryppie says:

        Looks like she’s going for the full monty: racist, sexist, anti-disabled!


    • Bobo says:

      We’ll see if it was really her and if she follows through. From what I’ve been told, discovery is a bitch.

      • Hondo says:

        Haven’t ever been a party to a civil suit, Bobo, so I can’t say from personal knowledge. However, based on this definition I’d say you’re correct:

        n. the entire efforts of a party to a lawsuit and his/her/its attorneys to obtain information before trial through demands for production of documents, depositions of parties and potential witnesses, written interrogatories (questions and answers written under oath), written requests for admissions of fact, examination of the scene and the petitions and motions employed to enforce discovery rights. The theory of broad rights of discovery is that all parties will go to trial with as much knowledge as possible and that neither party should be able to keep secrets from the other (except for constitutional protection against self-incrimination). Often much of the fight between the two sides in a suit takes place during the discovery period.

        Key phrases here seem to me to be “production of documents” and “under oath”. The latter implies that one can be prosecuted for perjury/false swearing if proven to have lied. And if the documents produced aren’t the same as those produced from official sources, well, . . . .

  33. 2/17 Air Cav says:

    Here, when you have the time, read this. It’s a humdinger about this chicklet. She is a piece of work.

    • 2/17 Air Cav says:

      Sorry. Jonn posted the same link in the first Watkins post. Give creds where they are due!

  34. Jonn Lilyea says:

    The Trump campaign just emailed us that they’ve never heard of Alicia Watkins.

    • ex-OS2 says:

      Shocking, damage control….

    • Bobo says:

      I’m sure that they will tell you that the conversation between Trump and Watkins was Trump serving as the head of his corporation, not as the candidate.

      • Jonn Lilyea says:

        UPDATE: A very senior source in the Trump campaign has told us that Alicia Watkins doesn’t work for the Trump Campaign or any other Trump organization. We weren’t offered a detailed explanation.

        • ex-OS2 says:

          Trump must have said “You are fired”.

        • sbalm says:

          Technically, that’s true about the Trump Campaign and probably true about the organization.

          Watkins was in the audience at a Trump campaign rally in Washington and inquired about job opportunities at one of Trump’s Hotels. He brought her up and introduced her to his guy that would screen her and said that if she was qualified that this would be the guy to go through.

          In my opinion I can’t see her wanting to really work for one of Trump’s hotels except for a short term publicity stunt. She seems to flit around like a butterfly trying to get in front of the camera tying herself and her circumstances to every current issue on the news. Katrina, 9/11, Wounded Warriors, Boston Marathon Bombings, Homeless Veterans, etc. You name it, her’s is the face of that particular tragedy or cause.

          I could be wrong, but that’s how I see it.

  35. ex-OS2 says:

    Detailed timeline of the bullshittery….