25th Marine Regiment leadership canned

| October 7, 2017 | 56 Comments

Lieutenant General Rex McMillian canned the top leadership of the 25th Marine Regiment the other day, according to Stars & Stripes.

Lt. Gen. Rex McMillian, who commands the Marine Forces Reserve, relieved Col. Morgan Mann, commander of the 25th Marine Regiment, Sgt. Maj. James Boutin, the regimental inspector-instructor, and Chief Warrant Officer 3 Robert Hoy, the personnel officer, Aranda said Friday.

Aranda declined to give any further details about why the officers were relieved. He also would not say whether there was an ongoing investigation.

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  1. Sj says:

    Canned a Warrant? How’d they find him?

  2. A Proud Infidel®™ says:

    A Colonel, Sergeant Major AND a Warrant Officer canned? Must have been a major screw-the-pooch orgy, I wonder what we’ll hear next?

  3. Ex-PH2 says:

    What’s with the hair on the lip?

    I’m waiting for DaveHardin to chime in. He has to find the floor first, so forgive his tardiness.

  4. Andy11M says:

    Ok, so the 25th Marine Regiment is a reserve unit? Ok, plenty of time for stupid things to happen.

    • Guard Bum says:

      These guys would be active duty Inspector Instructors and you are right; plenty of time to figure out how to step on your crank. Being on independent duty so far from the flag pole it is not uncommon for I&I Staffs to run afoul of the law, their higher and even public perception.

      By way of disclosure, I did 3 years with the 23rd Marine HQ in Alameda back in the early 80s. Had a great time, saw a lot of people relieved for cause or for “loss of confidence” particularly at the Capt level in the various Companies.

    • DOUGout says:

      The Regimental CO would have to be a Reservist.
      When 2/23 deployed to Okinawa in December iso ODS/S, we were located at Camp Hansen with 1/25. What a shit show! One Battalion isn’t a whole Regiment but they were a very sorry lot. Their morale was even poorer than their war fighting skills. In 1990-91 they still had fistfights over race. Being on the training ground with them caused us to be extra vigilant. They illustrated the expression “leadership failure” to absolute perfection. It is widely known that “trouble ships” and “sad-sack outfits” are possessed of very deep cultural issues that stubbornly refuse correction, year after year. When this story unfolds more fully, I for one will not be surprised if the cause isn’t one of insufficient Readiness in the ranks. Or worse, behavior and expressions of beliefs contrary to the foundational values of the Marine Corps. The Coach gets sacked, someone else tries to fix the problem.
      DOUG out

      • DOUGout says:

        Belay my last!
        It was 1/24, not 1/25 of whom I spoke. The 24th Marines were deactivated in September, 2013. 1/24 passed to 25th Marine Regiment, while 2/24 passed to 23rd Marine Regiment and 3/24 was disbanded.
        Apologies to all.
        Remedial PFT for HMCS(FMF) REID.
        DOUG out

        • Guard Bum says:

          It could have changed, particularly with the recent war footing but it used to be the Regt Commander was acdu along with the SgtMaj while the Bn and Co cdrs were reservists. The I&I Capts back then held no leadership role in the TOE. Relief for cause back then was usually related to money (imprest fund, supply etc) and crimes of moral turpitude ( once had a lothario Capt fall in love with a very young Vista volunteer and his wife she no likey!).

      • USMCMSgt (Ret) says:

        In this case, the Regimental CO, SgtMaj and Personnel Officer are all active duty. The commanders and senior enlisted for all the subordinate companies under the regiment are reservists, supported by the Inspector-Instructor staff (also active).

        There’s probably money involved, along with some sort of negative command climate issues. I guess we’ll see.

        As for the Sergeant Major, he needs to refamiliarize himself with the grooming regulations.

  5. FatCircles0311 says:

    apparently mustache regulations don’t apply to BTN SgtMa……

    • TDG says:

      I don’t see anything blatantly wrong with his moustache.

      • Ex-PH2 says:

        e. Facial hair: Regardless of whether a Marine is on duty or on leave & liberty, his face will be clean-shaven with the exception of eyebrows and eyelashes. Excessive plucking or removal of eyebrows is not authorized except for medical reasons. Exception to this rule will be a medical officer has determined that shaving is temporarily harmful to the individual’s health. In these cases, the current edition of MCO 6310.1 applies. A mustache may also be worn.

        That’s written in Plain English, (which has to be translated for some Marines) clearly stating “must be clean-shaven”. Exceptions are “for medical reasons”.

        Khe Sanh under fire: water was brought in in blivets and/or barrels, for drinking purpose ONLY. There was none to spare for bathing or shaving, especially during the Tet Offensive when anything in the sky was a target. So if you didn’t have a battery-powered razor, you were SOL.

        • TDG says:

          Ma’am, you said it yourself “A mustache may also be worn.” I believe what you are quoting is old, current regulations say “The face will be clean-shaven, except that a mustache may be worn. When worn, the mustache will be neatly trimmed and must be contained within the lines of B-B’, C-C’, D-D’ and the margin area of the
          upper lip, as shown in figures 1-1 and 1-2. The individual length of a mustache hair fully extended must not exceed 1/2 inch. 2. Except for a mustache, eyebrows, and eyelashes, hair may be grown on the face only when a medical officer has determined that shaving is temporarily harmful to the individual’s health. In these cases, the current edition of MCO 6310.1 applies.” I know I’m not as experienced as some of you, but in the nineteen years (so far) I’ve spent as an active duty Marine mustaches have been authorized, except maybe at the Depots.

          • Cris says:

            They were authorized in 86 when I came in

          • Ex-PH2 says:

            Read for content: it refers to medical conditions,to wit:

            Exception to this rule will be a medical officer has determined that shaving is temporarily harmful to the individual’s health. In these cases, the current edition of MCO 6310.1 applies. A mustache may also be worn.

            determined to be temporarily harmful to the individual’s health….

            I think that’s pretty clear, unless of course, that Marine is using his mustache as a hanky or a soup strainer.

    • MSG Eric says:

      Later that day, he had a 70s porno shoot. He figured since a SEAL could do it, he’d give it a try too.

  6. Redacted1775 says:

    With all the zeroes and senior enlisted going down you’d think Commanders DoD wide would have noticed by now they are pretty damn far from untouchable.

  7. MSG Eric says:

    25th Marine Regiment? How do Marines count past 21?

  8. MCPO NYC USN Ret. says:


    Investigators close to the case and not authorized to publicly discuss details of the violations do say, “SGT MAJ Boutin did fail to maintain grooming standards of the USMC, to wit … he routinely fashioned his mustache to resemble Royal Air Force Pilot Wings”.

    Evidence: https://www.google.com/search?q=royal+air+force+pilot+wings&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjCtqPW_uDWAhXJ4CYKHYT6AeEQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=590

  9. Dinotanker says:

    I thought that Warrant Officers in the USMC were pretty rare.

    My exposure to WO’s in the Army were either young punk aviators who may or may not live long enough to be seasoned awesome aviators, Squadron Motor Officer types who could disassemble/assemble M60A3, M-3’s, M-88’s and such blindfolded using only their hands to torque things down, or Finance gods/goddesses that one did not screw with.

    Must have been some bad shit to get a Marine Corps WO canned.

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